Talk:Captive orcas
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Size Issue
As of the date of this comment, this article is just over 62k in size. According to WP:SIZE, part of the Manual of Style, very long articles should generally be split to improve readability. (There used to be technical issues with articles over 32k, but these are no longer significant: many articles including Killer Whale, the parent of this article, are longer).
The relevant rules of thumb for splitting articles, and combining small pages:
| Readable prose size | What to do |
| > 100 KB | Almost certainly should be divided |
| > 60 KB | Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time) |
| > 30 KB | May need to be divided (likelihood goes up with size) |
One suggestion from Sawblade05 has been to split out the sections on individual orcas into a separate article, such as List of captive orcas, which would initially be around 40kb long, while this article would come down to around 19kb.
Short-Term Proposal
Complete the AfD discussion on the small articles on individual orcas, many of which seem likely to resolve to merge and redirect to this article. Complete that process, and clean up.
Longer-Term Proposal
Discuss the best way to resolve the size issue here. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Note: The size calculation applies to main body prose, e.g. excludes footnotes, see also etc. As an experiment, copying the visible main body text (not in edit mode) and pasting into a sandbox gives an article where hidden text such as references and image links is dropped. Main body prose sizes are:
- First part of article: 15,291 bytes
- Second part - individuals: 31,262 bytes
- Total: 46,553
Still large, but perhaps acceptable. Well below the largest article in Wikipedia, 2007 in Iraq at 448,182 bytes. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. I am currently at work during the week so the long discussions that I am having now are stuck on the weekends. I feel it should be split, but I think I would like to see some more consensus (as I only had a few that thought it was a good idea and one sent me a message that we should hold off) on the split and how it should be done. Sawblade05 (talk to me | my wiki life) 09:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
- I support a split. The article has an awkward break between the more general discussion and the list of individuals. The general part seem likely to expand, giving more information on capture and captivity history, techniques, issues etc. The list of individuals is likely to expand also, but with a different focus as a series of short biographies and character sketches. If nobody objects, I will do the split this weekend (March 7th). Aymatth2 (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
- Since nobody objected, the split of content to List of captive orcas was completed on March 7, 2009, and most of the split material removed from this article. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Tilikum
I am changing "He has been involved in three human deaths and is known for siring whales." to "He has been involved in three human deaths and is a prolific sire." It makes more sense; he's a whale, so of course he sires whales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.39 (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Of pregnancies and friends
This discussion is at Talk:List of captive orcas#Unsourced Info, and Talk:List of captive orcas#Of pregnancies and friends. Don Lammers (talk) 12:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
serious congratulations on neutrality
since this issue can be stressful i was concerned before reading with what i might find. to my delight this article is mostly npov and has numerous citations. well done to the editors involved for making this an informative article without losing sight of neutrality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukrpickaxe (talk • contribs) 14:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Media coverage
The Blackfish film should definitely be mentioned here (as I have done), as it's one of the few documentaries to focuses on THIS topic specifically, hence it should have a paragraph on THIS page to give some detail of it's content. It's no good just offering a link to the film, with no context as to what the film is about on THIS page, given it's content is intrinsically about the topic of THIS page. The paragraph added gives such info, succinctly, and without colouring an angle or POV on it's content or views contained – as is appropriate, per WP policy. Jimthing (talk) 20:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- I agree that the information is relevant and useful. But I think that it should be trimmed down significantly. If someone wants to know more about the documentary they can follow an external link and/or check if there is a WP article for Blackfish. The same verbose edit has also been attempted on the Tilkum article. How many people who come to this article are going to be looking for answers to the following questions:
- What film festival hosted the premiere of a documentary on captive orcas?
- What was the date of the film festival premiere?
- What channel did the documentary appear on in the UK?
- On what date could a BBC viewer first see the documentary?
- Was the appearance on BBC part of a long running documentary series?
- What was the name of said documentary series?
- DouglasCalvert (talk) 03:29, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Proposal for renaming as "Killer whales in captivity"
It is proposed to rename the article from Captive killer whales" to "Killer whales"" in captivity which better describes the scope of the content of this article. The present name invokes the same understanding as List of captive orcas whereas individual orcas are not described here but the subject in general for which imho the proposed name is better suited. AshLin (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Dorsal fin collapse
"After the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill, the dorsal fins of two male resident killer whales who had been exposed to the oil collapsed, and the animals subsequently died." This sentence has no substance, should be revised to deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:628D:9800:E592:2593:84F0:1CBC (talk) 16:49, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Deaths only for SeaWorld
Why are there deaths listed for SeaWorld but not for any other marine mammal parks? 72.238.65.44 (talk) 03:30, 22 June 2015 (UTC)