Talk:DZMM

A proposal to merge DWPM into DZMM was initiated in May by KuyaStephenAlaEH: The Metro Manila station on 630 kHz that used the DWPM callsign reverts back to the old callsign (DZMM) at 8 PM (Philippine time) of May 29th as per relevant wiki policies on radio station callsigns. This will ensure a linear continuation of a station's history rather than having a divergent article that ultimately had a short lifespan. I'm opening this to facilitate discussion. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 17:30, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

What actually is the policy? All history under one callsign on one article? Or is it by frequency or branding? Howard the Duck (talk) 20:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

I have reference also that DZMM is still DWPM based on the latest NTC listings but some guillable IP editors keep on reverting. Supercrumblesph (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

This doesn't really answer my question above, but this does fall into WP:OFFICIAL. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

@RandomMe98 223.255.224.98 (talk) 14:48, 14 August 2025 (UTC)

• Support and rename to DWPM Base on recent NTC listing, the station is DWPM even though broadcasting as DZMM. 120.29.89.116 (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

  Also, if revert to DZMM, please be strict here, basis should be the NTC listing. 120.29.89.116 (talk) 11:06, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Support merging DWPM to DZMM whilst keeping the DWPM title, Anyone who knows DZMM knows that at one point it carried under a different callsign (which is DWWW, before it eventually revived in 1996 albelt at another frequency). This article reminded me of DWSS which although branded as DWAR Abante Radyo, the same latest NTC listing shows that DWSS is still the original callsign of the latter. Tententenny (talk) 02:31, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support per Tententenny. 112.207.170.235 (talk) 23:42, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

• Selective merge DZMM doesn't exist as a callsign, but rather as part of the station's branding. Since 2023, the frequency is under a different ownership and different callsign. So it would make more sense if we merge all the events from May 29, 2025 onwards to DWPM. SBKSPP (talk) 02:07, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

  This would technically create both a "duplicate" and an article overlap where there has two callsigns but similar branding which could fall into WP:DUPLICATE. If you look the history of DZMM it did had a different callsign and station owner because of Martial Law, but there is no seperate article of DWWW during its ownership with RPN, instead its the IBMI's DWWW article that was originally called DZBM (although that particular article mentions that the callsign DWWW was taken from this station during RPN's ownership).Tententenny (talk) 02:05, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Tententenny No, this is not an issue of WP:DUPLICATE at all. And I don't see an article overlap since there's a difference between DZMM under ABS-CBN and the current DZMM in terms of ownership and management.

  DWWW was the pre-shutdown DZMM's predecessor, but it's the callsign of 774 kHz since 1996. But, both of them have separate articles. And so should DZMM and DWPM.

  From 1986 to 2020, the frequency was fully owned by ABS-CBN and DZMM was used both as its callsign and part of the station's branding. When ABS-CBN's franchise was expired in May 2020, DZMM ceased to exist as a callsign.

  Ever since the frequency went back on air in 2023 under the DWPM callsign, it is owned by PCMC, which co-operates the station with ABS-CBN via joint venture. By the end of May 2025, DZMM was revived for branding purposes.

  Therefore, merging all the events from May 29, 2025 onwards to DWPM really makes more sense. You can never change my mind. SBKSPP (talk) 06:30, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

  Did you pull the idea from Wells Fargo (1852–1998) and Wells Fargo? If thats the case from your side, then lets put the timeline of DZMM from May 29, 2025 to DWPM, and have a title change on this article from DZMM to DZMM (1986–2020). You must add Template:About to the DZMM article to prevent confusion. It should be something like this.

  This article is about DZMM from 1986 to 2020. For the radio station that is presently branded as DZMM, see DWPM.

  Also the date of June 29, 2025 you mentioned is incorrect. The rebranding occured on May 29, 2025 where DWPM ended their Radyo 630 and TeleRadyo Serbisyo branding after finishing the airing the simulcast of TV Patrol.

  Do be note that this may or may not be able to stay up for much longer, as there are two scenarios.

1. If there is fellow Wikipedian flags that article up for merger again, it would be another discussion that i sure it will just wasting time arguing.

2. Future NTC listings, if the callsign of 630khz was officially changed to DZMM this would effectively made the DWPM article redundant. Tententenny (talk) 07:27, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

@Tententenny It's beyond the past happenings of Wells Fargo and Viacom. I made a long explanation about the difference between DZMM under ABS-CBN and the current DZMM as a brand under DWPM. To add, DWPM is not owned by ABS-CBN and the frequency was off the air three years before PCMC bought it. Prior to PCMC's acquisition, the frequency was assigned to Baycomms under Provisional Authority.

And I know that the rebranding occurred on May 29, 2025. Editors sometimes tend to make mistakes and jumble up dates. No need to tell me that.

Going back to the article, inserting the Template:About to DWPM is needed as a clarification. I even stumbled upon DWPM's counterpart article in Tagalog and the template is also indicated there.

And one more thing. We cannot dictate PCMC's future plans for the station. Therefore, they have no plans of bringing back of DZMM as its official callsign. SBKSPP (talk) 08:42, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Just to say about that "Baycomms under Provisional Authority" thing. That source is from a Facebook page that has no credibility which is already a red flag as per Wikipedia:RSPFACEBOOK. The paper was seen black and white which hints that it might be a hoax. Many of the NTC documents are shown in color (and the latest 2025 listing is shown with color). For me i do think the frequency was still vacant during that time until PCMC was eventually assigned by the NTC for the 630 kHz. Tententenny (talk) 09:00, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

@Tententenny The info was from the 2023 listing from NTC. So what if it's black and white? 2019 listing from NTC is also black & white. Whether the listing is in color or black & white, that shouldn't be made an issue at all. Both of those were requested and accessed by some editor via FOI years ago. And thanks to that editor, I was also able to secure both of those copies. The 2023 listing states that the frequency was assigned to Baycomms under Provisional Authority. And it's truth. So you have no choice but to accept that. SBKSPP (talk) 00:10, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

My bad, citation 33 was the one in the list, however it seems that link is dead (and seem to be never been archived in Wayback Machine). However i should point at one point there was a edit on regards to the article which WayKurat removed because it "was not true at all" Tententenny (talk) 01:22, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Because that's an FB link, not the listing itself. Now that the link is dead, you're lucky if you have a copy of that listing from that year. SBKSPP (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

• Selective merge to DWPM: Per SBKSPP, who gave a thorough explanation in distinguishing the current DZMM from DZMM under ABS-CBN. DWPM remains the station's call letters and DZMM exists only as a brand. Therefore, as per Naming conventions for broadcasting, merging all info from May 29, 2025 onwards from this article to DWPM really makes sense. Superastig (talk) 10:03, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

  Perhaps, DWPM has a similar case with Sacramento-based KZIS, currently owned by iHeartMedia which went on air in May 2022 under the initially call letters KSTE. Thr frequency was formerly owned Entercom under the call letters KDND from the late 90s until February 2017, when it went off the air and surrendered its license to the FCC. Superastig (talk) 10:00, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks. Though I must've missed out WP:NCBC. Now that makes more sense to me. SBKSPP (talk) 01:10, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

  The difference is, branding of the said station and its format are completely different. In this case, yes, you can argue DWPM used the "Radyo 630" branding on its first few years, however this is the first time a radio station has revived its original branding under a different ownership (albelt its operated by ABS-CBN, which is the former owners of the said station, while KZIS is fully owned and operated by IHeartMedia). Tententenny (talk) 08:24, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

  Tententenny, I'm not talking about their respective formats. Perhaps, you didn't get what I mean. Second, the editors already discussed everything regarding DZMM and DWPM in this discussion. So, there's no need for you to explain it to me. I even made a clear explanation why DZMM/DWPM and KDND/DZIS have the same case in terms of frequency ownership. And I won't explain any further. Superastig (talk) 13:06, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

I've marked the articles as ready to be merged. Anyone is welcome to get the content moved over, especially if you think it should be a selective merge and want it done right. DWPM is set to be merged into DZMM since the latter is the older and larger article. The final title can be decided after the merge is completed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 00:39, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I merged the two articles. Yall can focus on the article's title. ~2025-40239-55 (talk) 06:05, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

See requested move below instead. ~2025-40239-55 (talk) 09:18, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

As per naming conventions for broadcasting, the title is the current call sign issued by a national regulatory authority for stations in Canada, Mexico, the Philippines, and the United States. In this case, DWPM is the station's current call letters. In favor of following the guidelines, I merged most (if not all) info from May 29, 2025 onwards to DWPM.

Above is a simple comparison between the two iterations. Since DZMM currently exists only as part of the branding, the policy should prevail. Superastig (talk) 13:03, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

The redirect DWPM (DZMM Radyo Patrol 630) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 December 15 § DWPM (DZMM Radyo Patrol 630) until a consensus is reached. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:35, 15 December 2025 (UTC)