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Western Rite
Dear User:Jingiby, How many people are in the Western Rite within the Eastern Orthodox Church? At most, about 3,000 out of 300 million — that’s not even 0.001%! And yet, it’s been included in the template. That’s a pretty misleading way to present things! --GnatBush (talk) 09:48, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
- @GnatBush: I have had the great pleasure of interacting with members of Western Rite Eastern Orthodox congregations in the United States, in particular the folks of St. Mark's in Denver. While they are certainly a marginal group, they constitute a real and substantive portion of the Eastern Orthodox Church that has received adequate coverage that merits mention in this article. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: So you use Wikipedia to promote a marginal point of view. That is based on your personal experience, not on reliable sources. That means you’re consciously providing unreliable information to readers. It’s really quite frustrating. Best. --GnatBush (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
- No, nothing is being
promote
d. If you believe that the Antiochian Orthodox Church in the United States is an unreliable source on expressing the practices of Eastern Orthodoxy, please provide evidence for that. Otherwise, we should consider the statements appropriately sourced. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:26, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
- No, nothing is being
- @Pbritti: So you use Wikipedia to promote a marginal point of view. That is based on your personal experience, not on reliable sources. That means you’re consciously providing unreliable information to readers. It’s really quite frustrating. Best. --GnatBush (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
At the least, it must be:
- Byzantine Rite - dominant
- Western Rite - marginal
--GnatBush (talk) 05:40, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
Inconsistent change
@Pbritti: Again. Can you please not make inconsistent changes to this article Eastern Orthodox Church? As you know, we have already discussed this. You agree that the Western Rite in Orthodoxy is marginal. Readers must receive accurate information from Wikipedia. Best. --GnatBush (talk) 23:32, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- We did not agree to your edits. Nobody is receiving anything inaccurate. I would suggest you review other Wikipedia articles and practice editing those rather than repeatedly seeking to impose what seems to be an unproductive change here. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:49, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- I can’t understand this. It is simply a fact that the Western Rite is marginal within the Eastern Orthodox Church, and you yourself agreed with this by saying: “they are certainly a marginal group.” Best, --GnatBush (talk) 01:26, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Because that language has to be supported by sourcing and discussed in a more encyclopedic way. An off-hand reply that you have interpreted incorrectly does not negate my emphatic opposition, nor does it negate the fact you were actually reverted by multiple editors. Your statements here and your disruption on my talk page with copy-and-paste edits do not signal an interest to pursue this in a collaborative fashion. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:36, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- I added reliable sources to the article a month ago, and you did not dispute them. In any case, a proportion of 0.001 is marginal, is it not? --GnatBush (talk) 03:28, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- You accused me of not discussing this, which is not true—especially since I wasn't even the person who initially reverted you. You claim to have a reliable source supporting you, but it's a 61-year-old magazine article. Unless you find a consensus for your changes, they won't stand. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:15, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- The hilariously out-of-date magazine article is still the source given for the number of Western Rite practicioners, and should be removed. I wonder why Gnat has such a bone to pick with the Western Rite? Does Gnat disapprove of this form of Christianity being both western and eastern in culture, historically and in the present? ~2025-35539-13 (talk) 05:11, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- You accused me of not discussing this, which is not true—especially since I wasn't even the person who initially reverted you. You claim to have a reliable source supporting you, but it's a 61-year-old magazine article. Unless you find a consensus for your changes, they won't stand. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:15, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- I added reliable sources to the article a month ago, and you did not dispute them. In any case, a proportion of 0.001 is marginal, is it not? --GnatBush (talk) 03:28, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Because that language has to be supported by sourcing and discussed in a more encyclopedic way. An off-hand reply that you have interpreted incorrectly does not negate my emphatic opposition, nor does it negate the fact you were actually reverted by multiple editors. Your statements here and your disruption on my talk page with copy-and-paste edits do not signal an interest to pursue this in a collaborative fashion. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:36, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- I can’t understand this. It is simply a fact that the Western Rite is marginal within the Eastern Orthodox Church, and you yourself agreed with this by saying: “they are certainly a marginal group.” Best, --GnatBush (talk) 01:26, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Reading the comments here in the Talk page, and looking at the content of the article, I think it is quite appropriate that "Western Rite" is listed in the "liturgy" section of the info box. The info box is not claiming that this is the majority use, neither is the info box promoting the Western Rite over against the overwhelmingly predominant Byzantine Rite. If it is not already stated in the article, it is probably worth mentioning the estimated members of Western Rite use, but other than that I also don't see an issue with the current article.SeminarianJohn (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
Issues with sources
@SeminarianJohn In the source cited in footnote 251, the figure of 130,000 is not mentioned. Similarly, footnote 252 does not include this specific number. It is also unclear how the data on the Czech Republic relate to the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia, as the source does not provide the number of members living in Slovakia. Many immigrants from Orthodox countries also reside in the Czech Republic, making it impossible to determine the actual membership of the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. Finally, in footnote 248, the figure of 600,000 is not indicated, and I do not understand why the fairly reliable academic source I previously cited was removed. Ackerman200 (talk) 08:12, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Ackerman, I did not remove any sources and neither did I edit any of the figures except the Romanian Orthodox Church which does not claim more than 19 million members worldwide at most. If another figure was changed on my part, it was an error on my part. I think you are correct that we need to collectively review each section. For clarity, each section is an autocephalous Eastern Orthodox Church and their claimed memberships, not necessarily the number of people living in each country. The Czech and Slovakian church only claims 75,000 total members as of 2021 (so another editor probably used another source than the church's own claims for the figures currently listed). SeminarianJohn (talk) 08:35, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hi SeminarianJohn, it seems I read your response a bit late, and I almost started an edit war, for which I apologize. Let's wait for the opinions of other contributors. Ackerman200 (talk) 09:07, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- No need to apologize; I concur with the changes you have made and have no objections. It seems we were editing at the same time is all, and the sources you cited are RS so I'm good with those. Thank you for including me in cooperation though. I appreciate it.SeminarianJohn (talk) 09:21, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hi SeminarianJohn, it seems I read your response a bit late, and I almost started an edit war, for which I apologize. Let's wait for the opinions of other contributors. Ackerman200 (talk) 09:07, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
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Definition
The definition used doesn't accurately distinguish Eastern Orthodox Church from many other groups. The distinguishing features of the Church are not the acceptance of seven church councils or rejection of papal supremacy. Anglicanism could broadly fall under the definition provided. The definition should include characteristics unique to EO like a communion of churches with shared theology, liturgical practises, and traditions originating in the Near East and Eastern Europe. Cappadocian Fathers and Palamas are more distinguishing than the current definition. ~2026-12090-20 (talk) 05:38, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
Third largest religious community.
Mahayana Buddhism is the largest branch of Buddhism, with an estimated of 200 to 360 million adherents worldwide, also Shia Islam has the same or more members 200–300 million people worldwide. So that phrase must be removed. Javierbl03 (talk) 23:59, 10 March 2026 (UTC)