Talk:Emily Neves

Lead section

The lead (which will cover her life, career and reception) can be at least three to four paragraphs long and we can move some of the citations into the lead section per WP:LEADCITE as necessary. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:50, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Citations

Any and all unreliably sourced and/or unsourced material can be removed as well (especially when they're in potential violation of WP:BLP, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV and WP:V, which are all fundamental policies). Also, any dead citations may either be archived to prevent any further link rotting, since some of the permanent dead citation links in the article (like one of Emily's tweets in the personal life section) are also victims of it, or at least replaced with other sources as long as they comply with WP:BLPRS. We can also use the Wikipedia Library and its libraries it subscribes to, Internet Archive, Google Scholar, or Google Books, along with self-published (i.e. by the article's subject) information where necessary for additional information. I should also note the WP:ONUS is on anyone who is seeking to include any disputed content should be done through a WP:CONSENSUS and if we are unable to do so on this page, we can take it to the appropriate venues (WP:BLPN, open an WP:RFC, etc.) as necessary. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:52, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I've taken care of all of the citation problems (i.e. dead links, etc.) at the present. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:03, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

Different debut years

Wausaubi Con's official guest of honor page for their 2013 event as listed in the ref ideas states 2007 was her voice acting debut while the 2014 Houston Chronicle article (in both print/digital format) renders her debut as 2008. So there's probably some sort of confusion in the year where she made said debut. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:54, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

We would need to look for more secondary, independent sources that verify when she started. If there is conflicting information among the secondary sources listed, these sources should be attributed. Z. Patterson (talk) 02:08, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

@Z. Patterson: I agree. We can also look into the archives of certain articles and/or websites from reliable newspapers (like, uh, the Houston Chronicle archives at newspapers.com) and/or magazines in both print/digital format, and the aforementioned citations section where necessary. Also, sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:45, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

So, based on the above Chronicle article, it mentions: "After college [at Texas State University], I basically waited tables for three years," Neves recalls. Then I answered an open-call audition at the Alley [Theatre], figuring, 'What could I lose?' I did a monologue from (August) Strindberg's 'Miss Julie' and I was cast in that year's 'A Christmas Carol'. The next season, which was 2008-09, I was asked to join the company.".

Having just looked into the "Professional Regional Companies" section of the 2008-2009 edition of Theatre World here, I found that she also appeared as a theatre cast member for the 62nd season (2008-09); she also appeared in the annual stage play adaptation of A Christmas Carol. While she made her voice acting debut in 2008, the 2007-2008 edition of Theatre World (which hasn't been made available digitally, but other Wikipedia editors or some libraries may have it) or the Alley Theatre Database (which details the theatre's productions and people involved) might verify the year she made her professional acting debut (2007) at Alley Theatre. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:13, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

External links

As long as they don't violate the WP:SPAM and WP:ELNO guidelines, which other useful external links can we use for this article? sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:16, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

@Sjones23: We could insert a link to CrystalAcids. Luci Christian's article has such a link. If FanCons.com is also acceptable as an external link (but not necessarily as a reference), we might be able to insert that as an external link. Z. Patterson (talk) 20:11, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

@Z. Patterson: We've used CrystalAcids as one of the sources for her roles. And there's also a link to her AnimeCons.com page. Also, I have a question for you: if we can't use Emily's Instagram as a source, should we consider using it as an external link if it's necessary as per WP:INSTAGRAM-EL, since this is probably her only current online social presence? sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:25, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

Reception

I don't think we have a reception section at the moment. So, should we consider creating one? sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:51, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Why? I think those are commonly used for films and other works, but not for people. Gawaon (talk) 08:18, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

While some FA-class articles like Amy Adams have dedicated reception sections, other FA-class/GA-class articles like Phil Hartman, Benedict Cumberbatch, Angela Lansbury and Dan Castellaneta can also have reception of their works in the biography section(s). You can also search through other actor FAs/GAs and see what the reception looks like for each article. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:24, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Any reception about this person should be general and kept in the relevant biography section. Z. Patterson (talk) 02:06, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Reception information can come from reviews on different websites and newspapers such as Anime News Network, Crunchyroll News and so on. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:00, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Filmography

For the filmography section, we can use sources like the timing of a show's official ending credits on Blu-ray/DVD format or on television airings (using {{Cite AV Media}}), BTVA, Twitter/Instagram feeds (including any announcements from her own accounts and other official accounts; as long as they meet the relevant WP:ABOUTSELF requirements), book pages, news reports (in print or digital format), press releases, convention announcements, and so on. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:40, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Filmography and discography stuff can be spun off to a separate article if need be, since those require a lot different effort to vet. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:46, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

AngusWOOF: I've reorganized the filmography into anime and film for now, but I plan to work on a video game section later on. For the roles which can be sourced through Blu-ray/DVD or in-game credits, we'll use {{Cite AV Media}}, using the Kari Wahlgren filmography article as a point of reference. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:38, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Early life

I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest, but I would like to revisit this article's early life section at the present. Her age is mentioned in the second page of this Houston Chronicle article's Katy/Bear Creek This Week supplement regarding her involvement in the James M. Taylor High School production of "The Phantom of the Country Opera", which was published on September 9, 1998 (she was 16 at the time) (it requires a subscription). Thus, since this is the only reliable source verifying her age, we can at least use the {{bbad}} template for the YOB at the time of its publication where necessary. According to this article's history, the subject actually has never objected to the inclusion of either the birth date or birth year in the article in any of the edit summaries, despite my earlier statement. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:51, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

The use of this source was objected to earlier this month in the discussion now archived at Talk:Emily_Neves/Archive_1#Basic_info:_Middle_name,_date_of_birth,_etc. I suggest you undo your addition of it and not reinstate it until you find consensus. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 21:14, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

I've just started a WP:BLPN discussion to seek a consensus on this and for now, I'll simply wait for further opinions. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:30, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

For those looking, it'as at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Houston_Chronicle_source_for_Emily_Neves's_birth_date_or_birth_year -- Nat Gertler (talk) 21:59, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

The BLPN discussion there has now been withdrawn in favor of discussing the WP:HOUSTONCHRONICLE situation here on the talk page. Once again, I apologize if I went a bit too far. I'll start with the basics.

According to NatGertler's statements in that discussion:

• "To the best of my knowledge, we have not attached the productions that an Emily Neves was in in Katy, Texas to any source that is clearly about the actor who is the article's subject (even if we can show that subject-Emily was in Katy, well, I went to a school where there were two "Natalie Ragomo"s.) Beyond that, there is the question of whether we should be sourcing any information related to age/birthdate of an adult human to material issued when they were a minor. The article in question appears not in the Houston Chronicle proper, but rather in an "advertising supplement" specifically aimed at the Katy & Bear Creek communities (current com bined [sic] population, leading to question whether we can call this "widely distributed" and whether it carries the same reliability as the core Chronicle."

I'm genuinely concerned about what to do with this source myself. Should the advertising supplement in question be considered a reliable source for this article in general or not? At this point, I'll be waiting for further opinions on this. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:28, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

No. There is nothing worth taking from here, separate from any concerns of its reliability. The subject of this article is mentioned in a fraction of one sentence... and in fact, we're not even certain it is the subject of this article, rather than someone with the same name, because sources on her once she was professionally established don't mention this production. Which leads to another point: even if this is her, if this production was significant, we would know that because it would be written about in pieces that are about her. There's nothing worth using this source for. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 02:01, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

@Sjones23 @NatGertler, could either of you provide a link to a clipping or short transcription I could review? I don't have access to that source. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 02:07, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

I could try to give out some details. From the fourth page (name, age and roles):

The musical showcases several solos, duets and singing/acting combos. The lead actors in the musical include Lauren Henkel, 17, who plays Chrissy; Emily Neves, 16, (Sally); Bowen Sheperd, 17, (Major Billy) and [Ramsay] Zaki [,17,] (the recluse).

Also, the first page mentions they were all members of the [James M.] Taylor High School's choir on the first page (which includes a photograph of the people who played in the musical, which is The Phantom of the Country Opera, based on the Gaston LeRoux novel Phantom of the Opera. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:12, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Part 1. Part 2 (which is where she is mentioned.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 02:15, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:18, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you both. I'm warmer to regarding the source as reliable, and do believe that is the correct Emily Neves (same high school, reasonable time-frame, and a theater production).

That said, I don't think the source is currently usable for anything, the mention of Neves is so minimal and the subject matter so minor that the production doesn't warrant inclusion. Concerning the given age, WP:DOB still isn't satisfied, and I also think we should take into account their status as a minor and lack of notability at the time of reporting. So it's not usable for a date of birth either. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 02:37, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

You're always welcome, fifteen! :-)

"That said, I don't think the source is currently usable for anything [...]": And indeed, this particular advertising supplement is probably unsuitable to be used as a source at the moment, taking the relevant policies and WP:NBLP into consideration.

Now that we've got that particular situation fixed up and the source has been removed, perhaps we should start looking into some other potential secondary, independent sources for Neves's early life in general and implement them into the biography section as needed over the course of this B-class/GA-class project. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:46, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Responding to the BLPN discussion: What is the objection to stating the year sourced to (Evans, 2014) used at the beginning of the Biography section? - Hipal (talk) 01:42, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

If you check the discussion above, we were discussing how advertising supplements in the print version of the WP:HOUSTONCHRONICLE might be used as a reliable source. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:46, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Apologies.

Is (Evans, 2014) an advertising supplement? I don't see it. --Hipal (talk) 01:48, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Obviously, the 2014 Everett Evans article (in print and digital format) is not. The 1998 Katy/Bear Creek This Week article in print format of course was the advertising supplement. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:49, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

No objection from to using the Evans source to say that she was 12 when she was in a certain production. I think we all understand that she was once twelve. It's not a matter of contention or concern. We're not tying her having been twelve to a certain date to suggest her age. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 02:04, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

I agree. There's nothing in the Evans article alone to pin down her age and there's nothing wrong with using it to state she was 12 for the arts camp content.

The Katy/Bear Creek This Week article piece doesn't meet BLP requirements. Even if a clearly BLP-quality reference was found that had the same or similar information, it would not meet DOBs "widely published by reliable sources" criteria.

The Koppikar 1998 piece (Part 2 link in ) is better. I'd take it to BLPN if there appears to be local consensus here to use it. --Hipal (talk) 15:37, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

The Koppikar piece is the Katy/Bear Creek ThisWeek piece. Here's the full page where it starts. That the section is an advertising supplement is covered on each of the latter pages of this section. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 16:05, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification. At least with the author now identified on this talk page, it should be easier to refer to. --Hipal (talk) 16:48, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Personal life

One source I could find regarding Emily's brief marriage with Andrew Love is in this interview with him as published in the July 24, 2014 edition of the Houston Chronicle. In it, he mentions that the two met at the Alley Theatre and celebrated their third wedding anniversary on June 18 of that year (which explicitly confirms that they were married on June 18, 2011). sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:41, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Infobox

As per WP:INFOBOXREF: "References are acceptable in some cases, but generally not needed in infoboxes if the content is repeated (and cited) elsewhere or if the information is obvious. [...]". For example, if Neves's birthplace (in this case, it's Houston) is mentioned and sourced in the article's body, we don't need to have the same source in the infobox. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:25, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Then check some sites. Texas has birth records from 1903-1997. ~2026-97428-2 (talk) 01:44, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Unfortunately, WP:BLPPRIMARY states "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, [...]", so we cannot use the "Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997" (which is a public record) as a citation. sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:45, 15 February 2026 (UTC)