Given that the sexual assault/harassment allegations have been firmly resolved with consensus against inclusion, I thought I would propose two additions to the "Twitter" section:
1. Gu's conduct on Twitter made him the target of harassment by Donald Trump supporters as well as brought him into conflict with his employers.
2. Gu was accused of operating several Twitter sockpuppet accounts, including @MaryLauryMD, to defend himself as well as to attack a Twitter user (@NefariousMD) who had been critical of him. Gu admitted having access to @MaryLauryMD account.
Both of these statements are supported by the reporting in Vice and The Verge, and they do not touch upon the allegations which have been rejected from inclusion previously. Hemiauchenia (talk) 06:21, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Hemiauchenia, I'd probably remove mention of the specific Twitter account name as it's not really pertinent, other than to say that he admitted to it. TarnishedPathtalk 07:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Hemiauchenia "Gu's tweets made him the target of harassment by Donald Trump supporters as well as bringing him into conflict with his employers. He's been accused operating Twitter sockpuppet accounts, to defend himself as well as to attack another Twitter user who had been critical of him. Gu admitted to having access to one sockpuppet account." TarnishedPathtalk 09:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- That sounds good to me. Thanks for coming to an agreement about this. I'll get around to adding this now. Hemiauchenia (talk) 09:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- The first one seems to me to be the same incident that was rejected for inclusion in the 2021 RFC (see particularly the last sentence there); you don't mention Donald Trump Jr. by name, instead vaguely attributing the harassment to "Gu's conduct", but the underlying issues that were raised in that RFC remain, and if anything the BLP issue is obviously made worse by that framing. I absolutely do not think we can include it without another RFC. The second addition you propose was discussed in the past and rejected, though there wasn't an RFC on it specifically. What has changed since then? More importantly, does either of these have WP:SUSTAINED coverage? The underlying incidents here are something like five years old, yet the only coverage seems to be from when it occurred (and there's very little of that), which suggests that the argument against inclusion is stronger today than it was years ago when this was first proposed. If this is significant enough to include, I'd expect there to have been significant coverage in the years that have passed since the event. --Aquillion (talk) 09:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Aquillion, what about what I wrote? Too close? TarnishedPathtalk 11:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- If something must be added, I would shorten the proposal to: Gu's use of Twitter made him the target of harassment by Donald Trump supporters as well as brought him into conflict with his employers and other Twitter users. Some1 (talk) 12:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- I have no issue with your suggestion. I was thinking that both what I was wrote and what Hemiauchenia wrote was a little bit too long given what was being written about. With what I wrote I was more concerned with using a different tone than Hemiauchenia, I guess. What you've written has the correct tone and is also shorter, so is more preferable. TarnishedPathtalk 12:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing any consensus in any discussion in Archive 2 regarding the sockpuppetry allegations specifically. (The article has historically had problems with sockpuppetry, so I wouldn't count the views of the IP user in that discussion, nor Cranberry Muffin, who is a checkuser blocked sock). Gu openly admitted to having access to the account in question, so I don't consider it to be a BLP issue. Gu's public profile seems to have significantly tapered off since 2018/2019, which explains the lack of subsequent coverage about Gu at all really, but I don't see that as an argument against inclusion, because we keep articles about BLP subjects that received historical coverage during a particular period of time (which in Gu's case spans 4 years from 2015 to 2019), for better or worse. If the article was taken to AfD I probably wouldn't oppose deletion. I could also see the article being merged into a new plaintiff section of Knight v. Trump. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- There could be an argument put for WP:BLP1E. It probably wouldn't be a very strong argument, but it could be put. TarnishedPathtalk 02:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)