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Creating a Fate (franchise) page

About two years ago, DJK brought up this point, which seems to have gone ignored: "Does anyone else think that the name of this article should simply be changed to something along the lines of "Fate (franchise), since it includes not only Fate/Stay Night, but Fate/Zero, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya, Fate/Prototype, Fate/Extra, Fate/Extra CCC, Fate/Extella, Fate/Grand Order - First Order, Fate/Extra: Last Encore, as well as probably several others."

Seeing how the original Fate/stay night page is attempting to list everything, despite how massive & mainstream the franchise has become now - not just in Japan, but globally - this is starting to get a bit ridiculous. Even the ones with only the loosest connection to this game, like Fate/Apocrypha & Fate/Grand Order, are being listed here. We now have audiences understanding "Fate/" as its own franchise without ever having heard of F/SN. The more those get expanded on, adapted into anime, and picked up by mainstream media like Netflix, and treated as their own entities, the more bizarre it'll get to keep track of it all here.

By now, can we all agree that creating a Fate (franchise) page to contain the list is a must? In my opinion, it would simplify things both for readers and editors. Knowing how often the Marvel and Fate franchises get compared, the fact that the MCU has its own page just shows we could make this a lot more accessible to readers.

I believe we've reached the point where this is justified. Of course, I am a new Wikipedian, so do let me know if there's a procedure I'm missing here! :) --ManaDragon (talk) 04:40, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

@ManaDragon: Yes, I am all for it. Especially, as was brought out on it's page, for adaptaitions of FGO.Smeagol 17 (talk) 14:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
If there is enough content, I don't see why not. However, I would recommend using materials from the Russian wikipedia. I mean, I this visual novel seems to be lacking sources when compared to the Russian wikipedia.Tintor2 (talk) 20:42, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Fate (series) would be the title, surely. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I was also going to suggest when the franchise article is made to have a List of Fate media.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 23:12, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Fate (franchise) seems entirely reasonable. --Izno (talk) 00:23, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
I personally prefer (series) just because its easier to type. and i think people mostly callit a series.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 04:02, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
It is by definition a franchise at this point. It is not just the visual novels, it is also the adaptations, original works/spinoffs, as well as the merchandising. --Izno (talk) 15:45, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Whatever everyone thinks is best. Its both a franchise and a series. I just think one is easier to type. that's all I wanted to add.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 15:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
This might count as "other stuff" but the Persona FA article is titled Persona (series).Tintor2 (talk) 19:37, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh guys... Yup, Fate/ is series or franchise — both terms are correct. Sadly but I've never ever seen in appropriative reliable sourses the significant coverage of ″Fate/ franchise″ term (WP:GNG). In Russian Wikipedia if created article with such topic would be deleted as an original research with not shown notability. To create Fate (franchise) article first of all we need to find survey sources from WP:A&M/I list. Of course fan-made survey articles do exist, but it's bad for Wikipedia to rely on such sources. Dantiras (talk) 20:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
This is true, but you can say the same about F/SN novel itself. Smeagol 17 (talk) 17:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
This novel is top raited in all japanese VN raitings and is mentioned in some anime/other game reviews and even scientific works. More correct to say this about Kagetsu Tohya. Dantiras (talk) 19:04, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Those novel ratings mostly have the same notability as those fan sites. As an alternative, we could restructure Type-moon article, if you think notability will be a problem for Fate/. Smeagol 17 (talk) 06:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Fate/stay night redirect template

Here's this update:

"Unlimited Blade Works" redirects here. For 2014 anime series, see Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV series).
For the 2014 anime's episode list, see List of Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works episodes.

Aya Syameimaru 文々。新聞 14:52, 10 February 2020 (UTC) (modified by me on 14:53, 10 February 2020 (UTC)) (copied from Talk:List of Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works episodes on 15:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)) (copied from Talk:Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV series) on 15:04, 10 February 2020 (UTC))

@I'm Aya Syameimaru!: I see. Shouldn't we do the same with Heaven's Feel films?Tintor2 (talk) 16:18, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
@Tintor2: Well, that's a decent recommendation. I agree. Aya Syameimaru 文々。新聞 16:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Surprise, I did this as well:

"Heaven's Feel" redirects here. For 2017 anime film, see Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel I. presage flower.
For the 2019 sequel, see Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel II. lost butterfly.

Aya Syameimaru 文々。新聞 16:24, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice.Tintor2 (talk) 16:30, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Series overview table?

I propose a series overview table for the various TV anime adaptations of Fate franchise works. I've already added one for the anime based on the main "stay night" visual novel. I'll also be adding one for klPI on the List of Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya episodes page. MarcoPolo250 (talk) 17:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't that imply that we have to create a main Fate article to focus on the franchise and leave this to focus on the visual novel? Also, a bit off topic, but we have tables for the songs but I don't think are sourced.Tintor2 (talk) 17:43, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Fate (franchise) article needed

Some content from here should be split into an article about the franchise, with this trimmed back to an article about the original game. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

PS. I note this has been suggested before, several times. Here's hoping someeone will actually do it :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

About the unreliable sources tag

Dani Cavallaro's publications have been designated as generally unreliable sources in this discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. Citations to her work can be replaced with more high-quality ones or removed, and the tag can be taken off once complete. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I also agree a franchise page is badly needed

Came her to say that only to see people have been saying that for many years now 109.243.192.215 (talk) 14:39, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

The problem with a Fate franchise article is that there is very little written about the franchise as a whole, which is needed for a standalone article. I had tried to start a draft article at Draft:Fate (franchise) last year, but abandoned it because I was unable to expand it beyond a basic list. GranCavallo (talk) 16:21, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

It all is written right here in this article (beyond just FSN content). --~2026-37379-4 (talk) 08:24, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 10 April 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. – robertsky (talk) 12:14, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Fate/stay night → Fate/Stay Night – MOS:TITLECAPS forbids English titles from being lowercase when it is merely a stylistic choice. I am therefore surprised the article has been at this title for so long. If it is moved, this should apply to all sub-articles of the franchise as well. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:27, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Oppose: First, MOS:TITLECAPS does not explicitly forbid English titles from being lowercase when it is merely a stylistic choice; Stylistic choice is not mentioned in that section. That section says that title case is normally followed, not that it must be followed, so I believe keeping stylistic capitalization is acceptable. Second, MOS:NONENGTITLE says to "retain the style of the original for modern works" for non-English titles. Fate/stay night is a Japanese work (even though the title is in English), so keeping the official capitalization is appropriate according to the manual of style. GranCavallo (talk) 13:46, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
Fate/stay night is not a "non-English title", the game is extremely well-known in English where it is typically called that. And it states that all titles of works should be capitalized as proper names, so there is clearly no carve-out for stylistic situations. I don't see why there would be. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:28, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
I agree with ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ, MOS:NONENGTITLE does not apply here. This game's title is in English. —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 19:40, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
  • Support or move to Fate: Stay Night per MOS:TM, WP:TITLETM and MOS:JAPAN. Japanese subjects often use unusual styling (see MOS:ROMANCAPS and MOS:JAMEDIA), and this not be copied directly as English Wikipedia article titles. Even if this were not a Japanese subject, we would do the same – using the ordinary styling for the English language. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:17, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
According to the Type-Moon Fandom, "The title 'Fate/stay night' comes from Nasu liking slashes after writing Tsukihime and wishing to preserve the word "Fate" in the old title as well as wanting to pair it with the English word "night", to finally desiring the title to sound like the name of a visual keiWP band". Not sure whether changing this would change or obscure meaning or intent of the text. Wh1pla5h99 (talk) 21:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
Support. Per MOS:ROMANCAPS, "the relevant publicity departments or fanbases may vehemently insist on the importance of the capitalization. However, these names and name elements are not excluded from the guidance provided by the main manuals of style for English-language Wikipedia...".
Wikipedia style also overrides the stylization of Bleach (manga). Assuming there is nothing different here, we should consistently apply the rules. 999333a (talk) 22:00, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
  • Support title case for title of work, per MOS:TITLECAPS. Wh1pla5h99 (talk) 21:25, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
  • Support Fate/Stay Night as proposed. Fate/Stay Night is commonly used by English-language sources cited in the article and in other sources I found online. There is significant variation but this aligns with typical practices and appears to be the style used by sources not affiliated with Type-Moon and not strongly associated with anime or video game fandom. I'm not finding usage that supports Fate: Stay Night. Our guidelines permit swapping dashes and colons for subtitles and similar changes, especially when usage in sources is mixed or when usage by reliable sources overwhelmingly prefers one style that differs from cover art. We do not invent styles. —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 16:17, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
    Indifferent on this but is it really inventing a style? It is house style on Wikipedia to use colons for subtitles, and I don't think its a stretch (based on the poster) to read Stay Night as a subtitle. Wh1pla5h99 (talk) 16:24, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
    Yeah, perhaps I should have said: We don't impose a style to invent an article title that's not used elsewhere. Although MOS:TMCAPS uses the same language I did:

    Do not invent new styles that are not used by independent reliable sources.

    The consistent theme across all the relevant guidance is that Wikipedia follows usage in independent, reliable, English-language sources. Our article title should not be unique. When usage is mixed, we may default to house style or standard English conventions as a sort of tie breaker. Before telling us not to invent styles, MOS:TMCAPS says:

    When deciding how to format a trademark, editors should examine styles already in use by independent reliable sources. From among those, choose the style that most closely resembles standard English – regardless of the preference of the trademark owner.

    MOS:JAPAN mostly covers romanization, songs and other works that don't have English-language versions, and guidance on selecting the appropriate title when there is no clear "common name" in English. My read of the sources is that Fate/stay night might actually be more common, but Fate/Stay Night is sufficiently common, especially in sources aimed at a more general audience. —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 19:30, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
  • Support: Either Fate/Stay Night or even better Fate: Stay Night. It's a title used in Wikipedia, so we should format it in Wikipedia style. Simple. SchreiberBike | ⌨  18:21, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
I'm neutral on the caps but entirely opposed to a colon. There is not a single reliable source that would ever refer to anything in the Fate franchise like that. It's simply not a thing. ScalarFactor (talk) 02:06, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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