Talk:Greece

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185.193.240.192 (talk) 13:09, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

greece or known are the greek republic is a country located in the malaka of china and is very do not redeem it.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Nubzor [T][C] 14:39, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

After reading the sources of the population based on 2021 census I found conflicting population of permenant residents based "Α06. Απογραφή Πληθυσμού-Κατοικιών 2021. Μόνιμος Πληθυσμός κατά ιθαγένεια, φύλο και οικογενειακή κατάσταση" on https://www.statistics.gr/el/statistics/-/publication/SAM03/- compared to the provided source https://www.statistics.gr/news-announcements/-/asset_publisher/oj6VK3PQ0oCe/content/nws_census_results_booklet_19072022_gr. I am probably misunderasting the diffrence between the two but id like to assist wikipedia as much as i can. ~2025-39759-87 (talk) 11:26, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Is it possible to change the lead sentence to "is a country located mostly in Southern Europe"? Since some of the Dodecanese islands are geographically part of Asia Minor.

Precedence for this: Spain, which is described as "is a country in Southern and Western Europe with territories in North Africa", referencing Ceuta et al.

Greece is already listed as a "transcontinental country" on the page List of transcontinental countries under "Non-contiguous - Asia and Europe". The description reads: "The territory of Greece includes a number of islands just off the coast of Asia Minor, such as Rhodes, Kos, Samos, Chios, Lesbos, Kastellorizo, Strongyli Megistis, and Ro."

It would prudent to include this on the main article for consistency.

External sources to support this for Greece:

Melas, E. M., 1988. “The Dodecanese and W. Anatolia in Prehistory: Interrelationships, Ethnicity and Political Geography.” Anatolian Studies 38: 109–20. doi: 10.2307/3642846. " the Dodecanese form an extension of SW Asia Minor"

"President's Trip to Europe: Greece". Clinton White House Archive [undated]. https://clintonwhitehouse4.archives.gov/WH/New/Europe-9911/background/greece.html#:~:text=Greece%20is%20located%20at%20the,and%20the%20eastern%20Mediterranean%20region. "Greece is located at the junction of three continents: Europe, Asia, and Africa."

"Kastellorizo facts and figures". My Favourite Planet. http://www.my-favourite-planet.de/english/europe/greece/dodecanese/kastellorizo/kastellorizo-06.html#:~:text=It%20is%20the%20easternmost%20inhabited,9%20inhabitants%20(2001%20census). "Geologically [Kastellorizo] is part of Anatolia (Asia Minor), as an outcrop of the Taurus mountain range, but culturally and ethnologically it has long been part of Greece."

Karimi, H., 2023. "Factors Affecting Turkish-Greek Geopolitical Competition in the Eastern Mediterranean." International Journal of European Studies, 7(2): 19-34 https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3d3a/1abf4d1237190053f1f9eac84b5ea9a0ed9e.pdf ~2025-41724-05 (talk) 05:06, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

In my opinion it would require more than a quote from blog and misreading a couple of articles for this to happen. A.Cython (talk) 05:51, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

For example, the last article you presented has the following quotes:

• Turkey and Greece are two neighboring countries located in southeastern Europe, in the Balkans, and adjacent to the Mediterranean Sea.
• Greece is another country in southeastern Europe and the Balkans. As a Eurasian country, Greece has...

I do not see from a couple of mins of reading any of your claims, so maybe provide a quote? A.Cython (talk) 05:58, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Three different editors have recently attempted to add a sentence to the lead stating that Greece shares "maritime boundaries" with Italy, Libya, Egypt and Cyprus . I intend to revert this, once again, to the long-standing consensus version, which has always omitted such claims, as have most other country articles on Wikipedia. As this was discussed here on talk previously, I consider it highly inappropriate for editors to push these additions in by drive-by revert-warring.

As the editors in question ought to know, the boundaries (or potential/envisaged boundaries) with these neighboring countries are not boundaries of territorial waters (which are only 6 or 12 nautical miles wide), but only demarcations of Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZ). Greece has territorial water boundaries only with its two immediate neighbors, Albania and Turkey. While it is true that EEZ boundaries are sometimes also, informally, discussed under the label "maritime boundaries" elsewhere, there are two important reasons why it is inappropriate to include them in Wikipedia articles in the same breath with actual land boundaries, as if their significance were comparable with those. These reasons are also why such inclusion is typically not done across Wikipedia articles on countries – these insertions were creating an exception on the Greece article.

First, unlike land territories and territorial waters, EEZs are not part of a country's area of actual sovereignty. They "belong" to a country only in a much looser sense than territorial waters. It is wrong to list these in the same context as land boundaries in the lead of an article, as if they made the countries in question "neighbours" in just the same sense as if they actually bordered on each other.

Second, and maybe even more importantly, EEZ boundaries at present are often unclear, controversial or undefined, and that includes those of Greece. EEZs don't exist "by themselves"; according to UNCLOS they only come into existence once a country formally declares them, and, in the case of adjacent countries, once two neighboring countries formally agree on them. Greece hasn't done this, so it doesn't actually "have" an EEZ in most of the area where it wants one. Greece has such agreements only with Italy and with Egypt, and the latter only covers one part of the boundary that Greece envisages. Libya, notoriously, has not agreed with Greece, but has instead (controversially) made an agreement with Turkey about a mutual delimitation that, if it came into effect, would crassly conflict with Greece's claims in the same area. And as long as Greece hasn't achieved an agreement with Turkey, it also cannot define a delimitation with Cyprus, because for Greece's EEZ to join that of Cyprus would depend exactly on how much of Greece's current claims (south of Castelorizo) it can successfully maintain against Turkey's competing claims there. The very sources that User:TonyFerro added to their edit actually confirm this state of affairs.

Incidentally, the inserted sentence also interrupted the logical flow of the lead paragraph, creating a disconnect with the following sentence about the surrounding seas. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:58, 15 March 2026 (UTC)