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I was hoping to find ancient drink related to pomegranade grenade, and all i found was this. This page should be directed from hand granade, not by grenade alone.--84.249.210.188 (talk) 19:04, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Contradictory intro

"A grenade is any explosive device designed to be thrown by hand. Grenade launchers are firearms designed to fire explosive projectile grenades."

It seems the initial definition cannot be the whole story. MW gives the definition as a small missile that contains an explosive or a chemical agent (as tear gas, a flame producer, or a smoke producer) and that is thrown by hand or projected (as by a rifle or special launcher). --70.194.65.163 (talk) 17:00, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Question about the Frag Grenade entry

Next to the subparagraph on frag grenades is the subtitle "Defensive". Where did that addition come from? Can someone point me to a doctrinal reference for that term? I am suspicious that this is a marketing term from Nanno, the maker of what they call an "Offensive" grenade. Thanks.  Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasky22 (talkcontribs) 19:56, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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Etymology-derivation

"The word grenade is likely derived from the French word spelled exactly the same"

This explanation is somewhat redundant. Clearly the English usage is a borrowing of the French word but, as the citation indicates, the term derives from the pomegranate-shaped hand bombs. Whether it was first coined in France or Spain remains to be seen. (Grenado remained an alternate form in English usage well into the C18th)

JF42 (talk) 08:48, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Move to Hand granade

So as the title says, the article should be moved to Hand grenade. Grenade is the name of many things and especially in weaponry the term never solely refer to the hand thrown weapon. Grenade more or less simply mean explosive munition, thus we have hand grenade, rifle grenade, grenade launcher-grenades, etc. In germanic launguages the term grenade is the term used for the projectile shell. Anyway, my main source and inspiration for this proposal is this US field manual from 1944 (FM-23-30) which clearly uses the term "hand grenade": https://ia601903.us.archive.org/7/items/FM-23-30/FM-23-30.pdf Blockhaj (talk) 10:09, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Agree. The main content in this article is almost exclusively about hand grenades, so it should be moved there, while this article should be rewritten to be a summary of the various subcategories. BP OMowe (talk) 13:54, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

The explosive charge

As a layman---i.e., as someone who has seen hand grenades only in movies and TV shows---I came to this article to learn what is the explosive material in a hand grenade. Is it simply gunpowder, so that the exploding of the grenade is basically the same as the "explosion" of, say, a rifle cartridge that has been fired? Is it some sort of high explosive, something like the material in a stick of dynamite? If this very-basic information is anywhere to be found in the article, it's not conspicuous. In glancing through the article, I've encountered no mention of it at all.98.114.190.60 (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Uncited material in need of citations

I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:CS, WP:NOR, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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St. Cristopher wielding an ancient grenade

Sorry for a stupid joke, but this was my firrst thought (a spherical grenade with a fuse) when I saw it in low resolution. --Altenmann >talk 20:03, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Dude, keep your blasphemies straight! That's the Christ Child wielding the HHG! Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 21:03, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 6 September 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Tenshi! (Talk page) 15:35, 17 September 2025 (UTC)


GrenadeHand grenadeHand grenade – as per talk page, main text is about hand grenades specifically BP OMowe (talk) 14:07, 6 September 2025 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). TiggerJay(talk) 15:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)  Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talkcontribs) 17:31, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  • Comment: Moving from technical requests because the above talk page discussion was simply two mentions over a span of 3 years. Formally listing for more participation as reliable sources show mixed useage. TiggerJay(talk) 15:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
Comment, hand grenades seem like the primary topic. I think this can be addressed with an {{About}} hatnote, like Kowal2701 (talk) 19:18, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The article discusses and links to rifle grenades and grenade launchers in the lead. The focus may be on hand grenades but the article does not exclude other types. I also agree that hand grenades are probably the primary topic. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:26, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose We should have a top article on the original topic, grenade. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:26, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
Note: WikiProject Military history has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talkcontribs) 17:31, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Other Wikipedias are free to make their own mistakes. We're free to not follow them in this. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
    The English language is rather unique in differentiating shells from grenades. A rifle grenade is just a shell fired from a rifle. A handgrenade is a thrown shell. All in all, we should adhere to the international majority. ᛒᛚᚮᚴᚴᚼᛆᛁ ᛭ 𝔅𝔩𝔬𝔠𝔨𝔥𝔞𝔧 20:51, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
  • The English language Wikipedia should reflect the English etymology. The fact that 'granate' has a broader scope in German is a footnote, not an architecture for merging articles here. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:24, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
    But there is a logical solution here. Move this to handgrenade. Divert rifle grenades etc to shell. ᛒᛚᚮᚴᚴᚼᛆᛁ ᛭ 𝔅𝔩𝔬𝔠𝔨𝔥𝔞𝔧 21:49, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
    A solution looking for a problem that doesnt exist. Metallurgist (talk) 02:33, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not sure why, a split off of hand grenade maybe. But grenade is comprehensive of all these usages. Doesnt matter what other languages do. Metallurgist (talk) 02:37, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
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Split

As the majority of the text here is about handgrenades, I suggest to split the article with links to the main articles about rifle grenades, hand grenades, grenade launchers and shells. and have this article be about grenades in general with summaries of the above main articles.

For the purpose of preserving the edit history, I see two options. 1) move this page to hand-grenades (which to my understanding also moves the edit history with it) and then WP:SPLIT the general parts back here, 2) copy the hand-grenade specifics to the hand grenade article with the edit summary "WP:SPLIT from Source article name; please see its history for attribution.".

Given that most the edits are about hand grenade option 1) seems the logical choice, but there might be reasons I'm unaware of for 2) being the better solution, so let's hear your thoughts about it BP OMowe (talk) 12:39, 19 September 2025 (UTC).

  • Oppose just as we've closed much the same discussion immediately above. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:40, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
    That discussion got side-railed by the discussion about shells and language translations, but it was in that discussion it was suggested to slip the article and have the hand grenades being an article of its own while streamlining this article towards the general topic.
    The focus may be on hand grenades but the article does not exclude other types. I also agree that hand grenades are probably the primary topic. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫
    OP, you can propose a split of hand grenade if you like, but this article is about all grenades. 162 etc.
    We should have a top article on the original topic, grenade. Andy Dingley
    It seemed - least to me - that the consensus there was that a) there should be a general article (this one) about grenades and b) that the article currently is dominated by hand grenades and that it would be a good thing to lift most of that into an article specifically about hand grenades instead. BP OMowe (talk) 20:50, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
Sorry for not replying earlier, but I'm been mostly offline. In response to your prod on my talk: page:
I'm not strongly opposed to any changes here. I'm strongly opposed to anything resembling a merge with shell, on the basis of German etymology.
On the topic of grenades, I see hand grenade as being strongly the core of such an article. It has the historical primacy, it is the most common form of grenade, it is still largely the technical basis of other grenades. We should keep grenade coverage broad, to the point of covering hand grenades to the level that most readers will care about.
There are a large number of grenade articles. On that basis it's a bit pointless to oppose the creation of an article on hand grenades. But that's not a split – it would be better treated as a new article, for which an easy way to build much of it would be by copying (and a credit via edit summaries and the talk: page) the source of that content. We might then edit both and make one more detailed and even make the other less detailed. What level of detail is appropriate for a reader who wants to read just one article on grenades? There's probably scope for pruning some of the content that has migrated to hand grenade. But the point would be that we've not changed the scope of the grenade article: it still remains as grenades, largely thrown hand grenades. It still covers hand grenades, at least to the level that our hypothetical reader wanting to read just one article on grenades is interested in. Yes, this is duplication. That's not a problem. Yes, it's duplication in both reading content, and in edits (so we note this on the new article talk:). Neither is a problem. What we need to do is to deliver the best choices of scope for the relevant articles (defined by title and an abstract concept of scope, even if we never write that down explicitly). Then deliver the best set of content at each article, as separate problems for each article, according to what their separate scopes require. What we shouldn't do is generate a list of sub-factoids, then allocate each in turn to different articles, avoiding overlap (an editing algorithm I've seen advocated here). That doesn't deliver the best readable and relevant articles. Which is, in the end, what we're supposed to be about. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:31, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
Oppose There's nothing in this article to split off. This article is about a kind of small explosive projectile. That includes the grenades mentioned in the other "grenade" articles, which are not about grenades as such, but about systems for launching them. There's no separate article for "hand grenade" because that kind of a grenade has a launch system you can describe in one sentence. If you think I'm wrong, prove it by writing a draft article for "hand grenade." Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 04:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

incendiary section needs improvement

The incendiary section is very barebones and limited to tommies in dub dub two. At least expand it to mention thermite and thermate grenades... Fanccr (talk) 04:30, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

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