Talk:History of Israel

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"A stele of Seti I found in Beth-She'an, dating to ca. 1289 BCE, revealed that a Raham tribe lived in Israel. They were named after the biblical Abraham.[42]"

There is no evidence supplied that Raham is named after Abraham. The source only states that such a tribe exists. Michardav (talk) 16:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)Michardav

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There is no evidence provided that this tribe was named after Abraham. Michardav (talk) 16:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Correct, I checked the source, and it's also obvious that there could be no such evidence unless the stele itself said so (which it doesn't). The relevance of this text is therefore in doubt and I'm removing it. The "Iron Age" referred to in the following sentence was, per the source, 500–600 years later so it isn't confirmation. Zero^talk 02:47, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Also, the source calls them Rehem, not Raham. My Egyptian is not up to knowing how significant this is. Zero^talk 03:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

We have a source that mentions the possible link explicitly (Oltre la Bibbia. Storia antica di Israele by Liverani (2003)).

Possiamo pensare che i membri di questa tribù si definissero «figli di Raham» (*Banu-Raham) e che avessero come antenato eponimo un «padre di Raham» (*Abu-Raham), che è il nome del patriarca Abramo

English translation: We can think that the members of this tribe defined themselves as 'sons of Raham' (*Banu-Raham) and had as their eponymous ancestor a 'father of Raham' (*Abu-Raham), which is the name of the patriarch Abraham

As far as I remember, the vowels in Ancient Egyptian are not known for sure, so the discrepancy is probably not significant. Alaexis_¿question? 10:42, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

"We can suppose" more properly. This seems to be pure conjecture since the text has neither "Banu Raham" nor "Abu Raham". Also it is many centuries earlier than any definite mention of Avraham according to Finkelstein. I don't think we should do conjecture here, but this might be suitable for Abraham if a more analytic source can be found. I see this conjecture in some popular works but not in serious Egyptology. The closest I can find is Albright, Bull. Amer. Schools Orient. Res. vol 125, 1952, pp. 24–52, who writes it as "Ruhma" but has a footnote "There is no basis for pronouncing the word Raham, with Grdseloff, though the verbal stem is obviously the same as in the patriarchal name 'Abraham'". Albright considers who the Ruhma are but never suggests a actual connection to the biblical guy. Incidentally, Albright calls the orthography "syllabic", so the vowels come with the consonants. Zero^talk 11:54, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, it's already covered Abraham#Palestine_origin_hypothesis. Not sure if it's due here as well. Alaexis_¿question? 21:49, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

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The title "History of Isreal" is misleading. this is because the state Isreal was founded on 1948, yet the page talks about the history of the land. I would recommend to rename it "History of Southern Levant", "History of Canaan", "History of Palestine" or "History of the Holy Land" Aberkan2 (talk) 12:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Day Creature (talk) 13:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

The state of Israel was founded in 1948, but the history of Israel as a concept goes back for millennia. Nice try at erasing history tho. Metallurgist (talk) 21:42, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Is your point that the biblical "Israel", and the modern state (government) of Israel, are the same thing, and that the state of Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy? And that anyone that disagrees is "erasing history"?72.180.111.79 (talk) 22:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps it should be titled History of present day Israel to be more clear. It didn't confuse me but I can see how it could be. ~2026-41824-9 (talk) 22:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

the source of knowledge' ~2026-13725-0 (talk) 14:06, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

Did the holocaust have a role in the migration of jews back to present day Isreal? Why is this not mentioned? ~2026-41824-9 (talk) 22:58, 19 January 2026 (UTC)