Talk:Kangal

@Semsûrî Can you elaborate how the Kurdish minority in Kangal can be represented as if they are half of the population when Kangal is governed by BBP and the Kurdish party doesn't even get any votes? Do you have any sources? Abcdefg9583 (talk) 11:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

If the current reference states that Turks are majority you can change it but otherwise you need to find a reliable reference for that. Semsûrî (talk) 11:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

If someone that did not know anything about Kangal was to read it, it pretty much reads like half of the population is Kurdish and the other half is Turkish. That is misleading. Not even Malatya has that much of a Kurdish population. MHP/IYI gets way more votes than HDP in Malatya. The border district to Kangal in Malatya is Kuluncak and it is a stronghold of MHP. The current citation is also about the Turkmen alewis in Kangal. Abcdefg9583 (talk) 11:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Until you find a reliable reference for your changes, you shouldn't reword the info. Semsûrî (talk) 13:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Turkey does not hold ethnicity census, one of the most reliable ways to judge the demographics is to look at the elections and votes but I will add a citation with an ethnic map of Turkey. Abcdefg9583 (talk) 14:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

If it is a reliable map published by a scholar you can use it, but not if its a amateur one. Semsûrî (talk) 14:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you from Turkey? You can clearly see where Kangal is in the map. There isn't a single source (reliable) about Kangal that is about it's demographics. If we were to talk about citation, tere also isn't a citation that indicates Kurds exist in Kangal, let alone make up a considerabe part of the population. Abcdefg9583 (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

It is obviously an awful map that does not take into consideration that some areas are mixed. We have a reference that in details explains that some neighborhoods are populated by Kurds while others by Turks. Removing the latter for the former is obviously problematic here. Also Kangal needs to be mentioned explicitly in the map before it can be used. Semsûrî (talk) 15:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Alright I checked the part where the Kurds are mentioned in the citation, here's a translation from Google:

Kangal District has 109 villages. 50 from the villages of the district Sunni-Hanafi, three units of Sunni-Shafi, 49 units of Alevi and 7 units of Sunni-Alawi it is mixed (Ünalan, 19997: 241-246; Gökbel, 2010: 16). 32 of Sunni villages It is a Turkmen village. Turkish culture, tradition, customs and traditions are dominant. Other Sunni Caucasian immigrant Circassian, Chechen, Karapapak (Azeri, Karslı), Uzbek etc. refugees live. All the people living here are considered themselves Turks. status. Turkmen Alevis live in 30 villages. Alevi Zazas in 5 villages lives. Alevi Kurds live in 13 villages.

As far as we observed, Alevi villages have more migration than Sunni villages. has given. And even when we visited many Alevi villages, there were only 3 or 4 people in the village. It was observed that the family remained.

18 villages out of 109 can be considered as Kurds and they all seem to be from the Alevi villages. This is clearly a small minority. My bad for not reading the source more carefully but this just confirms my point further. Abcdefg9583 (talk) 15:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

This article is about the town only which is explained in the source on page 57. Semsûrî (talk) 15:52, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

We can add the numbers up, for example Kurds only form the majority in Karşıyaka, population: 1703

Turks form the majority in Sularbaşı, population: 1573

Turks form the majority in Hürriyet, population: 578

Turks form the majority in Yenimahalle, göze and zafer, population: 1759

Places where Turks are the majority: 3910

Places where Kurds are the majority: 1703

Turks have more than twice the population of Kurds, though this is not exactly a small minority, they only make up around 30% of the district centers population, no need to mention they all migrated to Kangal from Malatya. One more thing to add is that most of the population of Kangal is out of the district center according to the source (Kangal center population: 12382, rest of Kangal population: 24933)

Numbers are taken from here: https://www.nufusu.com/kangal-sivas-mahalleleri-nufusu Abcdefg9583 (talk) 16:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

You are entering original research territory by determining who's the majority when that info is not sourced (see OR). Semsûrî (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure, but I think both you and I know that Turks are the majority and Kurds are the minority in Kangal district center. Everything from the voting habits and the source suggest that. I don't know what more can be presented to list Kurds as a minority. It is not easy to find demographic studies in Turkey. Listing Kurds as a minority in the district center and a small minority in all of Kangal is not wrong at all. Moreover, I don't know if it was intentional but the reason I edited the demographics section was because the Kurds were mentioned before the Turks as if the Turkish population could be neglected. Abcdefg9583 (talk) 17:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Its in alphabetical order but you can switch them around if you want to. And you can try to find other texts about Kangal; maybe there's more info about the demographics. Semsûrî (talk) 17:32, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure thing, I spent some time looking if I could find anything more detailed but it was in vain. I don't think we will have a study/research paper like that anytime soon. Abcdefg9583 (talk) 17:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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Greetings, i am a local lawyer from this town, where 94% of this area is Sunni Turkish. This is obvious from the elections from 2011 to 2024

https://www.yenisafak.com/secim-2011/sivas-kangal-secim-sonuclari https://secim.hurriyet.com.tr/30-mart-2014-yerel-secimleri/sivas-kangal-ilcesi-yerel-secim-sonuclari/ https://www.yenisafak.com/secim-2018/sivas-kangal-secim-sonuclari https://secim.hurriyet.com.tr/31-mart-2024-yerel-secimleri/sivas-kangal-ilcesi-yerel-secim-sonuclari/

There is no racial profiling in Turkiye, where the only possibility of profiling is through elections. The Kurdish party HDP/DEM has obtained at most 3.5% votes from the locals here which makes it a majority Sunni Turkish town and the Sunni Kurdish people are a minority here. I simply request that you put Sunni Turkish before Sunni Kurdish and add Sunni Kurdish as a minority here. Thank you Sivasliman (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Change it to The town is populated by Sunni Turks in addition to a very small Alevi, Sunni Kurdish and Armenian population. Sivasliman (talk) 22:13, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

 Not done No reliable source is provided for this statement. Election results cannot be used to extrapolate population proportions. See WP:SYNTH. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:14, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi there, i think i replied to the wrong comment. I have added a source below Sivasliman (talk) 22:32, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

I have opened a new edit request and would like to have this one closed as i have put all of that together into one post. Please check the new one and close this one Sivasliman (talk) 15:28, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Here is a work of demographics about Kangal

https://isamveri.org/pdfdrg/D306648/2022/2022_COSKUNH.pdf

Bugün Kangal’ın nüfusunun çoğunluğu Sünnî-Alevî Türkmenlerden oluşmaktadır. Bazı köylerinde Kürt, Zaza, Çerkes, Çeçen, Karapapaklar yaşamaktadır (Coşkun, 2019:215)

Today, the majority of Kangal's population consists of Sunni-Alevi Turkmen. Some of its villages are inhabited by Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Chechens, and Karapapaks (Coşkun, 2019:215). Sivasliman (talk) 22:17, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Please change the entire sentence of

The town is populated by Sunni Kurds and Sunni Turks in addition to a very small Alevi and Armenian population

to

Today, the majority of Kangal's population consists of Sunni-Alevi Turkmen. Some of its villages are inhabited by Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Chechens, and Karapapaks (Coşkun, 2019:215). Sivasliman (talk) 22:22, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

This book i cited is a 2022 rework of Mr Coskun's 2014 book cited in the same article. Sivasliman (talk) 22:44, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

https://isamveri.org/pdfdrg/D306648/2022/2022_COSKUNH.pdf

This book here is from 2022, and the words The town is populated by Sunni Kurds and Sunni Turks in addition to a very small Alevi and Armenian population

is mistranslated (On purpose) from Mr Coskun's 2014 book. Both books are written by the same person. The name Kangal is derived from the word Kangar, a Turkish Pechenek tribe cited in the book as well

The current 2022 book from Mr. Coskun cites

Kangal adının nereden geldiği konusunda çeşitli rivayetler mevcuttur. Bunlar: a) Kangal ilçesinin geniş bir vadide olması ve etrafında dağların kangal şeklinde çevrelenmesinden dolayı; b) Kangal ilçesine yerleşen iki düşman aşiretin aralarındaki kan davalarına burada son vermeleri ile “Kan kal” şeklinde bir isim oluştuğu ve zamanla Kangal’a dönüştüğü; c) Burada, dikenli ve boz renkli kangal adlı yabanî bir otun çok olması nedeniyle bu ismin verildiği; d)Yerli halkın, Anadolu’ya ilk gelen “Kan-gar” Türk boylarından olduğu düşüncesiyle zamanla bu ismin değişikliğe uğrayarak Kangal adını aldığı şeklindedir (Çevik, 1996: 19). Maveraünnehir çevresinde yaşayıp daha sonra İran Harzemşah devletinin kuruluşunda etkili olmuş ve bilahare Selçuklu Türkleri ile Anadolu’ya gelmiş Oğuz veya Peçenek boyu olarak zikredilen “Ertim”, “Çur” ve “Yula” boylarının üçüne birden “Kangar” veya “Kankar” boyu Türkleri denildiği; zamanla bu adın değişikliğe uğrayarak “Kangal” olabileceği veya Türkistan Türklerinin bir kolu olabileceği tahmin edilmektedir (Doymuş, 1998: 15)

"There are various accounts regarding the origin of the name Kangal. These are: a) Because Kangal district is located in a wide valley and the mountains surrounding it are in the shape of a kangal (a type of wild herb); b) Because two enemy tribes settled in Kangal district and ended their blood feuds here, a name was formed as "Kan kal" and over time it turned into Kangal; c) Because there is a lot of a wild herb called kangal, which is thorny and gray in color, here, this name was given; d) Because the local people thought that they were one of the "Kan-gar" Turkish tribes that first came to Anatolia, this name changed over time and became Kangal (Çevik, 1996: 19)." It is estimated that the three tribes of “Ertim”, “Çur” and “Yula”, which are mentioned as Oghuz or Pecheneg tribes that lived around Transoxiana and later became influential in the establishment of the Khwarazmian state of Iran and subsequently came to Anatolia with the Seljuk Turks, were called “Kangar” or “Kankar” tribe Turks; that this name may have changed over time to “Kangal” or that it may be a branch of the Turkistan Turks (Doymuş, 1998: 15)

The incident regards immigration from Khwarazmian is regarded correct as many of the Alevis of this region are Kizilbash Turkmens.

In the 2022 book it cites the creation of Kangal

Yeni İl kazası Kangal merkezli olarak 1548 tarihinde kurulmuştur. Kaza ağırlıklı olarak Halep Türkmenlerinin teşkil ettiği Kangal ile Ağcakale, Aşudi, Mancınık ve daha sonraki yıllarda Kara Tonus, Gürün ve Zamantı, nahiyelerinin katılımıyla oluşmuştur. Kangal ilçesi Yeni İl Türkmenlerinin merkezi konumundadır (Coşkun, 2019: 234).

"The Yeni İl district was established in 1548 with Kangal as its center. The district was formed by the inclusion of Kangal, which was predominantly inhabited by Turkmen from Aleppo, along with the sub-districts of Ağcakale, Aşudi, Mancınık, and later, Kara Tonus, Gürün, and Zamantı. Kangal district is the center of the Yeni İl Turkmen (Coşkun, 2019: 234)."

Also on my other edit i've added this

Bugün Kangal’ın nüfusunun çoğunluğu Sünnî-Alevî Türkmenlerden oluşmaktadır. Bazı köylerinde Kürt, Zaza, Çerkes, Çeçen, Karapapaklar yaşamaktadır (Coşkun, 2019:215)

Today, the majority of Kangal's population consists of Sunni-Alevi Turkmen. Some of its villages are inhabited by Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Chechens, and Karapapaks (Coşkun, 2019:215).

I find it hilarious that someone else found this topic before i did and asked you why you would put a 94% majority Sunni Turk town as a random Kurdish location Sivasliman (talk) 00:41, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

You are clearly not an objective person, and the source you are citing is mistranslated on purpose, as you can go back and read the 2014 source (Now the 2022 book is available). There is no such thing as using Alphabetic order for demographic listing when you are a very small minority in the area.

@Semsûrîrî @TLA is a three letter acronym Sivasliman (talk) 15:59, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

i have never cited a source, i have never made an edit to the article... idk how amny times i need to say TLA is a three letter acronym (talk) 17:02, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Did you read page 57 of the reference which has been linked? Here's a quote: "Kangal ilçesinin merkezinde çok az sayıda Alevi yaşamaktadır. KarşıyakaMahallesinde çoğunlukla Sünni Kürtler yaşamaktadır. Çoğunluğu da Kürt Drejanaşiretindendir. Bu mahallede yaşayanların çoğunluğu Malatya’nın Hekimhan ilçesindengöç ederek gelip yerleşmiştir. Sularbaşı Mahallesinde birkaç Alevi aile olmakla beraberçoğunluğu Sünni Türklerden oluşmaktadır. Gürsel mahallesinde Sünni Türk ve Kürtaileler ikamet etmektedir. Burada yaşayan Kürtlerin kahir ekseriyeti Malatya’nınDarende ilçesinden göç etmiştir. Bu mahallede çok az Alevi Kürt yaşamaktadır. GürselMahallesinde çok az sayıda Ermeni yaşamaktadır. Gürsel Mahallesinde ErmeniMezarlığı bulunmaktadır. Ermenilerin çoğunluğu İstanbul’a göç etmiştir. Özellikleburada yaşayan Müslümanlarla evlenen çocukları olan aileler göç etmemiştir. Hürriyetmahallesi Kangal’a ilk gelen sülalelerin yerleştiği meskenlerdir. Çoğunluğu SünniTürklerden oluşmuştur. Reşadiye Mahallesi Sünni Türk ve Kürtlerin yaşadığı birbölgedir. Yeni Mahalle, Göze Mahallesi tamamen Sünni Türklerin yaşadığı yerdir.Zafer mahallesi ağırlıklı olarak Sünni Türkler yaşıyor olmakla beraber 20–30 aile Aleviailesi ve 8 aile Ermeni ailesi ile beraber yaşamaktadırlar". The article is from 2014 and is obviously more up to date than your article from 1548. Now please stop being disruptive. Semsûrî (talk) 17:48, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

It cites that first before everyone Kurdish people do live there, and then the Turks do. Which is misleading since the town was created by Pecheneg Turks/Kizilbash Turkmens from Safevi origin in the first place. An example of what you are doing would be to write down that demographically Orthodox Armenians and Orthodox Russians live in St Petersburg, while everyone would know that St Petersburg is first majority Russian (which should be indicated first), and only 5% of the residents would be Armenian, who are a minor group in this area living with the Russians. This is only an example which does not include real statistics.

Now to come to the topic of what you have written down, you are citing a book from 2014, from the same exact person that i have just linked you. You are vandalizing this thread

The book you are citing in the first place is a book about Turkmens living inside of Kangal.

This book is from 2014

https://web.archive.org/web/20230421222401/https://acikerisim.erbakan.edu.tr/xmlui/bitstream/handle/20.500.12452/806/10058963%20referans%20nolu%20tez.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Here is the paragraph you are talking about

Kangal ilçesinin merkezinde çok az sayıda Alevi yaşamaktadır. Karşıyaka Mahallesinde çoğunlukla Sünni Kürtler yaşamaktadır. Çoğunluğu da Kürt Drejan aşiretindendir

This means that in this street the majority of residents are from Kurdish origin, it doesn't specify what percent exactly is Kurdish, it could be a majority of 60% as well, which again categorizes Kurdish residents in this area as a minority. You can look up the statistics of resident numbers here https://www.nufusu.com/ilce/kangal_sivas-nufusu clearly showing that the town in 2014 had 22768 residents.

This paragraph, written by the same exact person is from 2019

https://isamveri.org/pdfdrg/D306648/2022/2022_COSKUNH.pdf

And it cites

Bugün Kangal’ın nüfusunun çoğunluğu Sünnî-Alevî Türkmenlerden oluşmaktadır. Bazı köylerinde Kürt, Zaza, Çerkes, Çeçen, Karapapaklar yaşamaktadır (Coşkun, 2019:215)

"Today, the majority of Kangal's population consists of Sunni-Alevi Turkmen. Some villages are inhabited by Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Chechens, and Karapapaks (Coşkun, 2019:215)."

So you are being disruptive. This isn't from 1578, it's from 2019. I will again open the edit request because you are manipulating what Mr Coskun has written in his book. Sivasliman (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

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https://isamveri.org/pdfdrg/D306648/2022/2022_COSKUNH.pdf

This book here is from 2022, and the words The town is populated by Sunni Kurds and Sunni Turks in addition to a very small Alevi and Armenian population is mistranslated (On purpose) from Mr Coskun's 2014 book. Both books are written by the same person and cited for the reference of using Sunni Kurds. The name Kangal is derived from the word Kangar, a Turkish Pechenek tribe cited in the book as well

The current 2022 book from Mr. Coskun cites

Kangal adının nereden geldiği konusunda çeşitli rivayetler mevcuttur. Bunlar: a) Kangal ilçesinin geniş bir vadide olması ve etrafında dağların kangal şeklinde çevrelenmesinden dolayı; b) Kangal ilçesine yerleşen iki düşman aşiretin aralarındaki kan davalarına burada son vermeleri ile “Kan kal” şeklinde bir isim oluştuğu ve zamanla Kangal’a dönüştüğü; c) Burada, dikenli ve boz renkli kangal adlı yabanî bir otun çok olması nedeniyle bu ismin verildiği; d)Yerli halkın, Anadolu’ya ilk gelen “Kan-gar” Türk boylarından olduğu düşüncesiyle zamanla bu ismin değişikliğe uğrayarak Kangal adını aldığı şeklindedir (Çevik, 1996: 19). Maveraünnehir çevresinde yaşayıp daha sonra İran Harzemşah devletinin kuruluşunda etkili olmuş ve bilahare Selçuklu Türkleri ile Anadolu’ya gelmiş Oğuz veya Peçenek boyu olarak zikredilen “Ertim”, “Çur” ve “Yula” boylarının üçüne birden “Kangar” veya “Kankar” boyu Türkleri denildiği; zamanla bu adın değişikliğe uğrayarak “Kangal” olabileceği veya Türkistan Türklerinin bir kolu olabileceği tahmin edilmektedir (Doymuş, 1998: 15)

"There are various accounts regarding the origin of the name Kangal. These are: a) Because Kangal district is located in a wide valley and the mountains surrounding it are in the shape of a kangal (a type of wild herb); b) Because two enemy tribes settled in Kangal district and ended their blood feuds here, a name was formed as "Kan kal" and over time it turned into Kangal; c) Because there is a lot of a wild herb called kangal, which is thorny and gray in color, here, this name was given; d) Because the local people thought that they were one of the "Kan-gar" Turkish tribes that first came to Anatolia, this name changed over time and became Kangal (Çevik, 1996: 19)." It is estimated that the three tribes of “Ertim”, “Çur” and “Yula”, which are mentioned as Oghuz or Pecheneg tribes that lived around Transoxiana and later became influential in the establishment of the Khwarazmian state of Iran and subsequently came to Anatolia with the Seljuk Turks, were called “Kangar” or “Kankar” tribe Turks; that this name may have changed over time to “Kangal” or that it may be a branch of the Turkistan Turks (Doymuş, 1998: 15)

The incident regards immigration from Khwarazmian is regarded correct as many of the Alevis of this region are Kizilbash Turkmens.

In the 2022 book it cites the creation of Kangal

Yeni İl kazası Kangal merkezli olarak 1548 tarihinde kurulmuştur. Kaza ağırlıklı olarak Halep Türkmenlerinin teşkil ettiği Kangal ile Ağcakale, Aşudi, Mancınık ve daha sonraki yıllarda Kara Tonus, Gürün ve Zamantı, nahiyelerinin katılımıyla oluşmuştur. Kangal ilçesi Yeni İl Türkmenlerinin merkezi konumundadır (Coşkun, 2019: 234).

"The Yeni İl district was established in 1548 with Kangal as its center. The district was formed by the inclusion of Kangal, which was predominantly inhabited by Turkmen from Aleppo, along with the sub-districts of Ağcakale, Aşudi, Mancınık, and later, Kara Tonus, Gürün, and Zamantı. Kangal district is the center of the Yeni İl Turkmen (Coşkun, 2019: 234)."

Bugün Kangal’ın nüfusunun çoğunluğu Sünnî-Alevî Türkmenlerden oluşmaktadır. Bazı köylerinde Kürt, Zaza, Çerkes, Çeçen, Karapapaklar yaşamaktadır (Coşkun, 2019:215)

Today, the majority of Kangal's population consists of Sunni-Alevi Turkmen. Some of its villages are inhabited by Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Chechens, and Karapapaks (Coşkun, 2019:215).

My request is to replace

The town is populated by Sunni Kurds and Sunni Turks in addition to a very small Alevi and Armenian population.[5]

to

Today, the majority of Kangal's population consists of Sunni-Alevi Turkmen. Some of its villages are inhabited by Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Chechens, Armenians and Karapapaks (Coşkun, 2019:215). (While Armenians are not directly mentioned in this reference, it is made clear in the book that Armenians do live in villages around Kangal per Coşkun, 2014: 57-58; 2019: 220-235 )

Also to replace

The town, known in Ottoman times as Qangal,

to "The Yeni İl district was established in 1548 with Kangal as its center. The district was formed by the inclusion of Kangal, which was predominantly inhabited by Turkmen from Aleppo, along with the sub-districts of Ağcakale, Aşudi, Mancınık, and later, Kara Tonus, Gürün, and Zamantı. Kangal district is the center of the Yeni İl Turkmen (Coşkun, 2019: 234)."

"There are various accounts regarding the origin of the name Kangal. These are: a) Because Kangal district is located in a wide valley and the mountains surrounding it are in the shape of a kangal (a type of wild herb); b) Because two enemy tribes settled in Kangal district and ended their blood feuds here, a name was formed as "Kan kal" and over time it turned into Kangal; c) Because there is a lot of a wild herb called kangal, which is thorny and gray in color, here, this name was given; d) Because the local people thought that they were one of the "Kan-gar" Turkish tribes that first came to Anatolia, this name changed over time and became Kangal (Çevik, 1996: 19)." It is estimated that the three tribes of “Ertim”, “Çur” and “Yula”, which are mentioned as Oghuz or Pecheneg tribes that lived around Transoxiana and later became influential in the establishment of the Khwarazmian state of Iran and subsequently came to Anatolia with the Seljuk Turks, were called “Kangar” or “Kankar” tribe Turks; that this name may have changed over time to “Kangal” or that it may be a branch of the Turkistan Turks (Doymuş, 1998: 15)

I request these changes as currently it does not provide accurate information about my hometown. Thank you for your time Sivasliman (talk) 15:27, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

I've now quoted the paragraph used as a reference in the text in the section above. This edit request has now been replied. Semsûrî (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

You have not done anything i have requested. Read above, you are simply manipulating this thread because of your user access. I request that you withdraw and let a 3rd party handle this Sivasliman (talk) 18:40, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

I do not understand how you have been granted any kind of user access on this website while you have not been able to articulate any proper reason to what has been said above to this reply

Today, the majority of Kangal's population consists of Sunni-Alevi Turkmen. Some of its villages are inhabited by Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Chechens, and Karapapaks (Coşkun, 2019:215).

This is from the book i cited from 2022, which cites he wrote this earlier in 2019, from the same exact person you have cited a reply from in 2014. This makes it very obvious that you are vandalizing this thread. You haven't written anything to invalidate this claim, this is NOT from 1548 where did you even make that up from? I have written down a citation that you have not been able to invalidate, nor have you added it to this article. I am asking you to stop vandalizing this topic before i will proceed to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism Sivasliman (talk) 19:50, 6 April 2026 (UTC)