Talk:Morocco

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It is just the Cyrillic spelling of Morocco it should remain. Dominic-SS-Olofsson-Tuisku (talk) 12:36, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Fix the picture of the land because now western sahara is officially moroccan and you should add that in the information as well. 160.177.194.137 (talk) 14:10, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Same as above: that's a factually incorrect statement, and therefore, there is nothing to fix. M.Bitton (talk) 14:16, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

I believe it should be fixed as Morocco controls over 80% of it so the correct map would be showing 80% of the Sahara under Moroccan land and the other 20% under Polisario land. This type of map showing who actually controls what is more realistic and is used a lot. Lariuxey (talk) 20:09, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello I was just wondering instead of using this map of morocco where the amount that is occupied by morocco is unknown you use a map showing how morocco occupies the territory west of the berm and the polisario front owns that east of the berm. This would help diminish the confusion that would be had while also getting rid of any of the complaints by both side due to this being a true border that the Un does monitor. Example how Russia and Crimea is you know? ~2025-40343-15 (talk) 20:50, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

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(line 4) Change "and has land borders with Algeria to the east, and the disputed territory of Western Sahara to the south, occupied by Morocco since 1975. " To "and has land borders with Algeria to the east, Mauritania to the south and Ceuta and Melilla (Spain) to the North " as at least 80% of the Western Sahara is under full Moroccan control and considering the UN Security Council Resolution 2797. And Morocco shares a land border with both Ceuta and Melilla which are Spanish territories in Northern Morocco.

(line 13) Change Berber to Amazigh as second official language as Amazigh is the correct term used locally in Morocco.

Change Berber to Amazigh the correct self-designation and modern neutral term, consistent with current academic usage and Morocco’s constitutional recognition. Lariuxey (talk) 21:12, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. Day Creature (talk) 21:42, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

I have detailed why the changes needs to be done

-Morocco–Spain border (Ceuta & Melilla): Spanish enclaves Ceuta and Melilla share land borders with Morocco; these are the only land borders between the EU and Africa

-Amazigh is the correct term and official language in Morocco: Moroccan Constitution 2011 Lariuxey (talk) 16:29, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the Berber/Amazigh thing, so wont be making that change. However, the land borders is trivially correct with recent developments in the south.

Is there any reason now why the change above, (without the language change as I note) should not be made? (I have personally crossed the Ceuta border in both directions in the past.) - Walter Ego 17:29, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

I have no objection to adding Ceuta and Melilla to the land borders. Day Creature (talk) 17:34, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

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Hello, I am wondering can this map can be shown to be able to be more informative for the current situation regarding Morocco and the Western Sahara. I feel that the map should be changed from the light green that is the entirety of the Western Sahara territory to a dark green on the part that Morocco does occupy (be it illegally or not), and a lighter green to the part that the Polisario Front occupies. It could say claimed but not occupied or something along those lines. That would really draw a better picture in ones mind because it took a little bit of digging for me to find the true map of Morocco and Western Sahara you know? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 01:01, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

in addition there should be the two options for sizing to best help reflect this change which would be the regular area of morocco excluding the western sahara territories that it occupies and then ( I am copying and pasting this from another article within Wikipedia) 710,850 km2 (274,461 sq mi) includes the Moroccan-administered parts of Western Sahara, which is claimed by the Polisario Front as the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. This would be helpful because the Sahrawi Arab republic also has this same thing so it would be fair for Morocco to have the same also too. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 01:30, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Tbhotch^™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 08:16, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Ahh i understand now

Change the map with the Undisputed territory of Morocco Western Sahara, a territory claimed and partly occupied by Morocco to Undisputed territory of Morocco and occupied parts of Western Sahara, and parts of the territory claimed but not occupied by Morocco. Change the sizing from 446,550 km2 (172,410 sq mi) to 446,550 km2 (172,410 sq mi) and 710,850 km2 (274,461 sq mi) includes the Moroccan-administered parts of Western Sahara, which is claimed by the Polisario Front as the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic<----

I mean it as this that was the change to be as specific as possible without being wordy since the map doesnt really give much info on what morocco does occupy within this territory. Like having the map highlighted dark green for the parts it does control and its own land and then it being light green for the parts that it does not control would be more specific you know. This would be more helpful to those who are more interested into what specific parts Morocco or the SADR does control by just taking a little glance. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 19:16, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Sorry if the format i used isn't the best to what changes need to be made i'm a little new to all of this/ AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 19:18, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

We are showing all of Western Sahara because that's what Morocco claims. This how it's done in similar articles (the occupied and claimed parts are always light green). Those who are interested in the specific parts of Western Sahara can click on the link and learn everything they need to know about it. I disagree with the other proposed changes. M.Bitton (talk) 19:21, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

The polisario front also claims the entirety of the western Sahara no and it is shown the exact same way i describe so what would then make it different had it been shown the same way as Morocco i am only going off of what I am seeing from the SADR's article which is the exact way i envisioned for it to be shown as? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Sorry if i am coming off as a bit rude i promise that isnt my true intentions btw. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 19:34, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Ahh you know what i went through articles like the way you described and youre right thats my bad im a little new to this as you can tell lol. Oh so the sizing of the country would be the undisputed territory of Morocco rather than get into all of that stuff with the western Sahara? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 19:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

That's right. M.Bitton (talk) 20:23, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Thank you sir i was a bit confused you clarified it good :) AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 00:52, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Is there any real reason for my edits being reverted when I provided valid sources and also just changed 2/3 to 3/4 to better fit those valid sources rather than the one that was provided. I am very confused as to why it is morocco controls 2/3 rather than 3/4 when many sources agree with the 3/4 aspect? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 02:54, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

Do you any evidence that "about two-thirds" is not factual (as you keep claiming)? It's sourced and many other RS can be added to it. It also makes sense when one looks at the map of Western Sahara. M.Bitton (talk) 02:55, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

but numerous reputable sources do say at around 3/4? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 02:57, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

You cited "freedom house", here's a source by them that says "two-thirds". Ultimately, while nobody knows the exact percentage, "about two thirds" seems accurate enough (especially when looking at the map). M.Bitton (talk) 02:59, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

eh youre right the thing that needed changing at the end was that there wasnt an about aspect of it but i think we can agree with the about 2/3 since it could be any number in that range AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 03:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

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~2026-61025-1 (talk) 13:32, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

Moroccan map needs to be corrected immediately to be inclusive of Western Sahara under full physical control of Morocco and IAW Security Council 2797

 Not done: your claim is based on a complete misunderstanding of the UN's position and the subject. M.Bitton (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

There is a discussion at Talk:North_Africa#Recent_additions_(January_2026) that could do with more input. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 16:07, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

I got u bro checking it out rn AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 17:12, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

French is a common second language in Morocco, and I was wondering why its French name, "Royaume du Maroc", hasn't been added to the list of names.

I tried to add it but, but idrk how to reduce the wording's size & all so I gave up.

somebody look into this, thank you. EliteL20 (talk) 04:57, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

Languages are listed only when the language is official or de facto. Tbhotch^™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 05:11, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

@M.Bitton: I did correct a date. The entry previously showed 18 November 1956; I changed it to 18 November 1955, which is the correct date for the event being referenced. I also clarified 30 March 1912 by naming the Treaty of Fez, which is what that date refers to. I had included a source supporting these changes, but they were removed in the revert. If you disagree, please point to a reliable source supporting 18 Nov 1956 as the relevant date. Mixinlord (talk) 17:19, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

Morocco didn't gain its independence until 2 March 1956. This is easily sourced (type the date in Goole help yourself to however many sources you wish), so to suggest otherwise makes no sense. There is no need for the so-called "clarification" when a linked article does a better job (like similar countries). M.Bitton (talk) 17:24, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

That's not the issue. There are two dates, 18 November 1955 when Mohammed V came back from exile and announced the end of the protectorate (which the state of Morocco celebrates as the official date), and 2 March 1956 when the end of the protectorate was offically signed; I'm not saying otherwise. The problem, however, was that the previous stated date was 18 November 1956, which is incorrect and I replaced with one of the correct dates (18 Novemeber 1955), using a source too. You reverted my edit back to 18 Novemeber 1956, saying specifically "You didn't correct anything" and sending me an Edit warring warning before even reading the source or making sure the date you were reverting back to was correct. Mixinlord (talk) 20:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

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Specific section to change: Infobox (Area - Total)

Current text: 446,550 km2 (172,410 sq mi)

Suggested change: Please change to display two separate lines for clarity: • Total (Undisputed): 446,550 km2 (172,410 sq mi) • Total (Including claimed/occupied Western Sahara): 712,550 km2 (275,120 sq mi)

Reasoning: The current land area displayed only reflects the undisputed territory and does not take into account the territory Morocco occupies and claims. For consistency across Wikipedia, the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (SADR) article shows its claimed territory in its area statistics and also the territory that it does have. The Morocco article should similarly reflect both the undisputed and the claimed/occupied land area to give readers a better and neutral picture. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 16:40, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

This is a reasonable request imho, but I wont act upon it until I have seen responsesfrom more regular page contributors. - Walter not in the Epstein files Ego 18:21, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, that was what I was thinking I did some more research and I just want it to flow through the multiple articles since the SADR has the same little thing on the land size. However I do not want to like denounce either side with this i just want this to be neutral. You know what I mean? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 18:26, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

 Not done. Either way, requester is autoconfirmed and can make the edit anyway, so closing this...y'all're more than welcome to continue discussion. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:11, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

sorry does that mean I should or I shouldn't I didnt know im autoconfirmed AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

Alright I changed it and added a lil link to some added info too! I made sure that the size only reflects the internationally recognized borders so don't worry about it i just wanted to add the snippet of info to keep it uniform across the articles. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 19:26, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I reverted your edit: the internationally recognised Moroccan territory is known, so there is no valid reason to add to it any territory that isn't considered as part of it, much less the territory of another state. You're also comparing apples to oranges: SADR and Western Sahara are one and the same. M.Bitton (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

the sadr is the country state the western sahara is the territory it is never that deep. You shouldn't put the same for the sadr because it is not recognized by the UN also i dont know what it is with you and your bias agaisnt morocco I got an agreement with everybody except you for this topic. I am not even moroccan and its kind of insane. The SADR is not the same as western sahara. One is a territory and the other is a state. Another state would not be correct this is dont for numerous other articles. Other people should be involved because this has gotten ridiculous i have seen numerous people try to do a small neutral change and you shut down everybody because an opinion you dont agree with is wrong that is genuienly insane. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 00:45, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

there is no reason for the note to be added to the country it didn't change the size on the ranking it was another note.it is that was for the SADR and I dont see you complaining the sadr and western sahara aren't the same thing. You can say laayoune is in western sahara and thats a territory it cant be in the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. I find it ridiculous that new users like me are never able to make edits because hard headed invidiuals like you are unable to understand other viewpoints on a subject.From the SADR article: " AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 00:49, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

You are wrong: SADR is also known as Western Sahara (basic fact), i.e., if SADR ceases to exist, then so will Western Sahara. The recognition of the UN is irrelevant to what we're discussing here and your notion of neutrality has nothing to do with Wikipedia's neutrality. Also Morocco claims Ceuta and Melilla. M.Bitton (talk) 00:51, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

I did add that to the footnote too on the previous one. The article on the SADR should reflect the same way the one for Morocco does then? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 00:52, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

the SADR is the entity claiming the territory is it not since it is a territory still disputed between Morocco and the sahrawi arab democratic Republic so why show the sadr with its claims on the western sahara with the size if morocco is unable AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 00:53, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

sorry if my language is a little harsh I am not the best at communicating in English lol I am not mad I promise.😭 AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 00:56, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

I appoligize for how I previously reacted however the statement on how the western sahara would cease to exist if the sadr went away the territory of the western sahara wouldn't poof away morocco would've just probably annexed it AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 00:58, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

however I did label the areas as a undisputed and claimed/occupied which shows how the undisputed is there. If this was not okay then the map would not be okay either which its a whole other issue is it not? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 01:00, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

I just put it in a neutral thing for it to be decided sorry for being a bit harsh and rude for my outburst. My mom had some stuff going on and wikepedia is really all I have didnt mean to take it out on you. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 01:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Check out the Russia article. M.Bitton (talk) 01:18, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

russia is a very different case in comparison to Morocco however. Russia was a full invasion agaisnt an already established country Morocco's was still illegal but is recognized by a few nations too though? These are very different use cases thus they should be treated as such. If its the case where it should show the internationally recognized size then the sadr should be shown as the size it controls too then not the two that it claims because it is the only article. Articles with one another like morocco sadr and Russia Ukraine should share the same like uniformity. As Ukraine doesnt show it has less land even though its occupied and Russia doesnt show it has less land even though its the occupier AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 01:47, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

russia does also say in parenthesis within internationally recognized borders for its size and ontop of that if you scroll to population it also includes with or without Crimea too? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 01:55, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

u lowk shot urself in the foot with that one ngl AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 13:25, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

I suggest we get other people involved for this topic because this would be a genuine improvement since the sadr shows it and the article u showed russia also takes into account like for population it has the same premise with the with Crimea without Crimea and that was a 10 year old invasion a little more I am not a Moroccan like number one fan however this is a genuine helpful edit because you dont show the size and then say nothing even russias article says globally recognized so put that for morocco too then you know what i mean? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 13:29, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

There is also China, and if that's not enough, then I suggest you read what I wrote previously. M.Bitton (talk) 13:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

maybe because for china they claim the territory and dont own anything they do claim? What you wrote previously contradicts itself. The UN lists the western sahara as a terrirotry the sadr is an entity within that territory that wants full independence the sadr is that 25 percent in the territory due to it being a republic it isn't two countries fighting a war jt is two countries fighting over a territory i dont know why the size can't reflect any of this if it reflects it for the sadr I want one valid reason. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 13:44, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

I forgot to link to this comment (which I also suggest you read). I have no intention of entertaining your interpretation of what I said. M.Bitton (talk) 13:48, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

okay so wikepedia literally refers to western sahara as a territory and the sadr as a partially recognized state those two are not apples and apples they are two seperate things. People may refer to either when referring to one however that does not mean they are the same thing wikepedia itself solidifies that does it not? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 13:51, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

not entertaining my interpretation of it when I am going purely off of google and the wikepedia articles that

Regard this topic. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 13:53, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Israel's article literally shows two land sizes when they also are illegally occupying the land and very few nations also recognize it too so what's the deal with that? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 13:59, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

even if thats the case and you are right it should still be included or at least at the very least the territory says internationally recognized borders since many articles do show the same like the Russia one you showed me AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 14:09, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

is it possible for anybody else to apply some input on this? AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 14:25, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

@M.Bitton I am tired of the constant bickering between us I just put it in parenthesis smaller text under the nationally recognized size a little thing that says "excluding disputed territories" if they want to get deeper into it there's a footnote there too that is all I really hope we can meet in the middle with this one. AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

I'm tired of having to revert your edit tests: what you added is redundant (as it's already mentioned in the footnote), so please stop. M.Bitton (talk) 00:08, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

it should be removed on the sadr and I will be adding a footnote because it is redundant to show the territory it claims LOL AlbanyParkChicago (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2026 (UTC)