Talk:Peace

Mr. Inderias Dominic Bhatti, a role model peace hero from Pakistan ;^[1] added his peace theory with a title Homogenizing Theory with these words below:

“Peace is a cycle of contentment starts from the very SELF of individual and regulates one’s consciousness and thinking patterns in such a way that homogenize ones individual liberty with collective and public good” ^[2]

the dove is a sign of peace. --WhiteInKnights (talk) 16:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Democratic peace theory is simply a calque from Marxist peace theory which claims that in a socialist society there is no reason for war.--79.111.107.10 (talk) 17:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps

can be integrated to the article ?

91.182.232.33 (talk) 14:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Peace has been thrown around often. During the Cold War, Soviet dictators claimed they were "always in the interests of peace". Of course, their definition of "peace" was world communism. On that note, how is Islam a "religion of peace"? 69.143.107.112 (talk) 03:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

One should consider why people look at an article about peace. Are they simply interested in gathering more informaiton about the subject of peace in the same way that they would about, say, Lady Gaga? I don't think so. I believe that peace is what one could call a "lifestyle subject," in that one is interested in it not in a casual way but in a deeper way that could affect one's lifesytle. I therefore feel that there is a need for the article to list more ways to achieve peace, which is, after all, one of life's essential questions. That is why I added the ways to achieve peace given by Buddhism and the spiritual teacher Meher Baba. Wikipedia's motto, I think, is "the sum of all human knowledge," which is of course a tall order, but Wikipedia does seem to want to be rather inclusive. Tentotwo55 (talk) 17:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

That's very subjective. See WP:COI, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_manual.2C_guidebook.2C_textbook.2C_or_scientific_journal. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:33, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, but at least add somewhere in the article that one definition of peace is the state of not wanting anything. It was taught by Krishna as "renouncing the fruits of one's actions" and by the Buddha as "desire is the cause of all suffering." It is one of the oldest religious concepts related to peace and should be included. A concise article is great, but a complete article is even better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tentotwo55 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

added interesting ref by Benedict XVI, connecting peace and ecologyUnimpeder (talk) 13:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

World peace and global unity is something that is created or made manifest by this generation. A major player and effector of this is the Messiah. That is Andy Peak. Known by many names and the one who fulfilled and is fulfilling many prophecies in many ways, perceptions, religions, through healing, awakening, fishing, revealing truth, bringing freedom from slavery from the monetary system created by the wealthy elite to offer more choice and freedom the more no ey one has... without it we have severely reduced choices/freedoms. So that gets sorted... awakening of the planetary consciousness and Synchronizing with self, one another, the planet, God, and any and all other conscious entities in the galaxy and universe of galaxies beyond. GaianMonkey (talk) 23:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Brings peace, love, unity and dreams and ways and ideas... GaianMonkey (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

The introduction currently specifies too much, more than a common denominator of the mentioned theories could be, and by such violates the article's content.

I suggest (for the whole article) incorporating a closer look at Dietrich's categorisation of 5 functionally different concepts of peace (cp.: Dietrich 2012: Interpretations of Peace in History and Culture; Dietrich 2013: Elicitive Conflict Transformation and the Transrational Shift in Peace Politics), as the article itself also mentions different philosophies. In energetic traditions (e.g. Buddhism) peace is related to unblocked flows, absence of Karma, or Tantric harmony and resonance. By the principle of Yin & Yang there is no freedom from violence (compare Krishnamurti), peace is not and cannot be static, but peace is a process and requires continuous effort. The only (static) state of being in peace is Buddha and/or emptiness. In moral understandings (e.g. Abrahamic religions) peace is related to absence of sin, guilt and fear (this is the moral aspect, this is not to deny that all religions show energetic aspects). Modernity (or modern peace) is more difficult to grasp. Generally it is related to the notion of universal truths as found in modern sciences, and in related non-humble 'attitudes' like positivism and progress. Derived from such a perspective is the idea that a peaceful society can be constructed, as in Marxism or institutionalised and constitutional democracy. Postmodernity acknowledges the context-dependency of truth, requires constant critique, and thereby denies the absence ofa unique truth. Postmodern peace is therefore a recognition of peaces as plural, "defined, relational, contextual, vernacular, and anything but arbitrary" (p. 207). Transrational concepts recognise the most complex rational model of the world as systemic (non-static complex web of interactions, causes, and effects), which is found in both postmodern and energetic perspectives, and which excludes a moral understanding of guilt. It also respects the processes that exceed humans' rational grasp, like emotions, a person's role in a larger system (as a recognising person is always part of the recognised, nobody can isolate and fully grasp her-/himself), and spirituality. Transrational peace does not prescribe (as opposed to modernity and development politics), is process- and not solution-oriented, and relation-oriented and leaves the interpretation of facts to the respective dynamics. It recognises all parties in a conflict as essential to be regarded.

In the light of the above families there can also be seen different concepts and theories like inner/external peace, positive/negative peace, etc.

This was just a quick, by far not exhaustive summary, probably with errors, and largely referring to the above mentioned books by Dietrich without detail references. I hope it clarifies why an introduction telling a common understanding is problematic. An intersection of understandings of peace across cultures (not philosophies) might be feelings of resonance, compassion, freedrom from fear, etc. Such are in the focus of energetic worldviews, and covered in terms like love (to God and others) within Abrahamic religions. I propose to contextualise such common descriptions.

I suggest therefore to rethink the introduction and the structure of the article from a philosophic meta-level (I mean at least one higher level of abstraction than present).

By the way, in all these different traditions there are different symbols for peace. The one shown stems from ND (nuclear disarmament) and is postmodern. Energetic ones include Yin & Yang. Moral ones include the dove of peace. Modern: white flag, V-Symbol. Transrational: Sri Yantra. However there are so many more - by culture and religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.175.89.114 (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

The section on "Religious Beliefs and Peace" goes into too much detail about Christianity. The specific way one is supposed to get into heaven is irrelevant, as is the quote from Pope Benedict. Also, the way one is supposed to go to heaven varies between sects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.1.62.142 (talk) 15:23, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

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The topics of "peace" and "peacetime" seem to be closely interrelated. At this time, Peacetime is an unsatisfactory WP:DICDEF stub. It is probably better to discuss peacetime in politics as a subsection of the general topic "peace" for now, then branch it out into its own topic later if the discussion grows too long. Mz7 (talk) 23:28, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 04:46, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done. I've redirected Peacetime here. Mz7 (talk) 02:14, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Sweden participated in the war in Afghanistan from 2002 and in the war against Libya in 2011. If the claim of ongoing peace is right it should mention by which definition Sweden has ongoing peace while partaking in wars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.234.170.89 (talk) 14:54, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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The article cautions against adding more links but I think it would be appropriate to add a link to https://www.iep.utm.edu/peace/, which provides a more detailed encyclopedia article on the topic. The proposed link site is a piece of scholarship, not (like some of the previously existing links) an attempt to recruit partisans for some activity. What do others think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aubreybardo (talk • contribs) 16:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

What flag should be raised in peace? 2001:56A:FC70:E300:A928:1B59:D289:E72D (talk) 07:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

The second picture in this article (the one containing the goddess Eirene) may have incorrect information in the caption. The caption states that the statue in the photo is of Eirene with her infant son Pluto, but I could find no information of Eirene having a son named Pluto on her Wikipedia page, and the name Pluto is usually used for the Roman equivalent of Hades, who was not Eirene's son, not to mention that calling Eirene's, a Greek goddess's, son by a Roman name would be incorrect. I think the infant in the statue may instead be Plutus, the god of wealth and son of Demeter, because he is in the statue pictured on Eirene's page. If this is the case, someone should change the caption accordingly. 90.128.57.150 (talk) 16:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, he is Plutus, good catch! Randy Kryn (talk) 17:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

The people of the world should know that sustainable peace can only happen with the cooperation of all people of all races and religions, please join the peace for all campaign.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.18.26.69 (talk) 09:17, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Ciao fellow Wikipedia editors: Just a quick note{ I reverted the edits on October 15,2024 by User: 2804:7f4:3d80:1554:d701:62fe:29ab:cc2d who objected to the inclusion of links to Robert L. Holmes and Barry L. Gan as "promotional spam", after claiming on October 7, 2024 that the use of a similar single sentence citing the contributions of these two modern scholars as "Undue weight" within a "general article". Several attempts to address the objections raised by User: 2804:7f4:3d80:1554:d701:62fe:29ab:cc2d have failed. Each of his criticisms seem unwarranted in so far as:

1) The section Balance of Power in which the proposed additional sentence is included already includes specific references to several modern theorists who supported the balance of power doctrine of MAD including: Hans Morgenthau, Henry Kissinger, Martin Wight and Hedley Bull while also including specific references to their respective books (Power Politics and the Anarchical Society) as shown in the first paragraph of the section Balance of Power and

2 )The inclusion of specific references to the peer reviewed writings of professional philosophers such as Robert L. Holmes and Barry L. Gan serves to introduce additional context to the paragraph in this section by illustrating that some critics in the post Cold War era objected to the doctrine of MAD not merely in classical "tactical terms" but from a "prima facie" ethical point of view.^{[1][2][3][4][5]} This is in contrast to the objections raised by other critics as mentioned in the previous sentence who object on the grounds that nuclear weapons may serve as a tactical inducement to the emergence of "smaller wars". and

3) The reference citations utilized to support the additional sentence are each from either peer reviewed journals which are available on JSTOR.ORG or from published texts presented by major publishers and are not specifically mentioned by name in the proposed text. Consequently it is not clear how they can be described as "promotional" in any manner or described as "Spam" or "blogs" as suggested by User:2804:7f4:3d80:1554:d701:62fe:29ab:cc2d.

I hope that this helps to clarify the restoration of these links and thanks again in advance for your thoughtful consideration and Happy Editing.160.72.80.178 (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)NHPL

160.72.80.178 (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

These arguments seem to be convincing when taken as a whole so I undid the deletion of the proposed text by User:Remsense on October 15, 2024. User:Remsense justified the deletion by merely stating that the burden of proof for including new text rests with the contributor, but did not specifically reply to either of the contributor's detailed justifications which he outlined above on this talk page. To help matters along, I reworded the text somewhat to include a link to prima facia unethical reasoning". Hopefukly this will help. In the absence of such a reply, however, and due to the the lack of additional objections to the proposed text, I have restored the deleted text as per Wikipedia:UNRESPONSIVE I hope this is OK. Thanks160.72.81.86 (talk) 16:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)GCL160.72.81.86 (talk) 16:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)GCL

Are you really telling me that we're meant to treat these two IP editors with close addresses and almost identical idiosyncratic diction as separate editors? Please don't sockpuppet or meatpuppet. Remsense ‥ 论 00:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Indeed for me it seems as undue weight, not everything that is said or written by someone goes into the encyclopedia. Also, it seems as a clear case of sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry to gain consensus, and that is strictly prohibited. AnAnicolaidis (talk) 19:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

the title says it Achirae (talk) 18:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)