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JSFarman (talk) 17:41, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to request that the following information be added to the article. I've included references and hope the format makes this easy to implement:
In 1994, Chanel Inc. hired Arnell to restore the brand’s luxury image. The agency partnered with French director Jean-Paul Goude to create a seven-figure commercial for Chanel No. 5 featuring Marilyn Monroe. The commercial was part of a multimillion-dollar campaign.[1]
In 2001, Arnell began branding and communications at Reebok,[2] including work for its NFL,[3][4] NHL[5] and NBA product lines,[6][7] creation of the “Outperform” campaign[8] and the Yao Ming line.[9] Arnell invented the Rbk brand for Reebok,[10] as well as the Super Bowl ad with Terry Tate as the office linebacker, which won the Cannes Golden Lion Award,[11] Crest Award and Clio Award.[12] In 2003 he created a $14 million program to launch the Chrysler Pacifica around singer Celine Dion.[13] The campaign was controversial among dealers and Dion’s image was removed from later ads, though her music remained.[14] Arnell collaborated with Samsung Korea[15] on the introduction of the company as a consumer-facing brand. They developed and created the first global campaign strategy with "Simply Samsung" and later “Digitall. Everyone’s Invited”[16] as well as large-scale outdoor ads in major cities.[17] In 2006, Home Depot launched a design partnership and “Orange Works” campaign with Arnell Group.[18][19] The campaign included the creation of the HomeHero brand and line of home safety products, which won a Gold IDEA from Business Week.[20] The premier products included the HomeHero fire extinguisher and wirelessly connected smoke/CO alarm.[21] In 2008 Peter Arnell was named Chief Innovation Officer of Chrysler[22] and was a founding director of Peapod Mobility. Arnell led the electric vehicle development under Bob Nardelli[23][24] and designed the Peapod Neighborhood Electric Vehicle.[25] Arnell's company, Arnell Group, fast-tracked the design and production of Peapod in just 6 months.[26] Peapod was presented by Arnell and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to the State of California as part of their electric vehicle initiative.[27]
Arnell has also worked on design, branding and campaigns for companies including the Fontainebleau hotel and resort,[28] Samsung, Banana Republic, McDonald's, Home Depot, Pfizer,[29], Blackberry Limited,[30] and Tommy Hilfiger.[31]
Thanks for your help, Joanne PA (talk) 15:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Not done Add WP:NOTRESUME to the reasons I have not implemented these changes. JSFarman (talk) 17:41, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hey JSFarman. Funny, I was about to ping you to take a look at this request. Can you point out the things that feel problematic to you? The Reebok work, for example, is certainly noteworthy. It's included in the Reebok article as well. In general I can see how these very brief statements could be more reminiscent of a resume, but that's simply because I was trying to be as dry and factual as possible, as per earlier feedback from Crystallizedcarbon. I/anyone can expand on them, if you think that would be better, but I opted not to do so myself to avoid any issues with promotional language. I do think a lot of this material is noteworthy in it's own right, and would appreciate any insights either of you may have. Thank you, Joanne PA (talk) 18:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- That it reads like a resume is secondary. His (well-documented) failures are barely mentioned -- adding more about his shiny accomplishments adds to the article's imbalance. JSFarman (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. I looked at the link you mentioned in your edit summary- it appears to be very subjective and speculative (for example: "Omnicom might have taken the position that Arnell should have spent more time with his clients than writing books" and "Arnell's tepid, soulless package redesign"). I tried to confirm even the more factual-seeming statements, to see if they could be included, but none of the original links are working.
- The current Wikipedia article is quite short and does mention failures ("both rebrands were scrapped by the companies after being poorly received by consumers" which isn't exactly accurate- the Pepsi rebrand is still used globally to this day) but I'm not sure what you are specifically referring to that is concrete enough to be included. There are many articles that comment on Arnell's personality (the one you mentioned says he's been called "an insecure egomaniac") but I'm genuinely unclear as to how such commentary would be included, or why. Of course, someone may find something that I've missed- this is mainspace, after all.
- I apologize if I've gone about this the wrong way- I thought I was following protocol by putting up an edit request with material that is factual, sourced and relevant.
- Looking forward to your thoughts. Joanne PA (talk) 15:06, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Joanne PA (talk). It's my first workday after a two week break. Perhaps others can weight in? You can look for input via the talk pages for WikiProject Brands or Wikiproject Marketing & Advertising.
I applaud you for following protocol but we have a difference of opinion regarding neutrality. Ommissions aren't neutral, and there are significant omissions. For example, the 1997 sexual harassment suit brought against him is not trivial, and it's not even mentioned.[1] And, while your point regarding the use of opinion pieces is well-taken, if the opinion is written by a subject matter expert and published by a reliable source, it has weight.- One more thing before I get back to my regularly-scheduled drudgery. Peter Arnell is brilliant and his work is iconic. You can include the less-than-flattering moments in his career - his hits way outweigh his misses -- and the article will still demonstrate his genius. JSFarman (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Didn't mean to categorize sexual harassment as a "miss" - it's far more real-world serious than Tropicana/Chrysler/Oranges/etc. (Apologies for the edits and additions to my comments here. JSFarman (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
