Talk:Second Holocaust

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

• ... that Menachem Begin claimed that he had prevented another Holocaust by bombing an Iraqi nuclear reactor?
  • ALT1:... that Mike Pence said that "The Iranian regime openly advocates another Holocaust"?
  • ALT2:... that Israeli president Reuven Rivlin opposes the political invocation of another Holocaust, calling it "fundamentally wrong" and "dangerous"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/First Battle of Newtonia

Converted from a redirect by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC).

@Buidhe: New enough, long enough, QPQ done, copyvio 26.5%, interesting hooks, but here are my concerns:

• Ref 15 should cite The Times of Israel instead of www.timesofisrael.com.
• ALT1 has WP:NPOV issues. For the article to be neutral, you should also explain why Pence made these accusations instead of just a one-sentence quote.
• I'd go with ALT0, but it needs some work. I'd propose it as ALT0a: ... that Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin claimed that he had prevented another Holocaust by bombing an Iraqi nuclear reactor? I'd also suggest adding a picture of Begin to the article and this proposal.
• Not related to DYK, but the photo of Bridget Loves Bernie doesn't belong in the article because it isn't mentioned in the prose and doesn't enhance the reader's understanding.

Let me know with a ping when you've addressed these concerns. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Nice4What:

1. Wikipedia:Did you know/Citation says nothing about such minor details in citations.
2. Fine, that's why I provided 3 hooks.
3. Why did you strike ALT0? WP:DYKHOOK does not require links other than the one to the featured article. 3 links in one hooks is too many imo.

• I appreciate constructive suggestions, but please keep them separate from comments that are related to the DYK criteria and eligibility of the article and hook. buidhe 21:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Buidhe: The point was that you did not introduce who Menachem Begin was, so that hook has no context. Again, neutrality issues still haven't been addressed; that pertains to the article, not just the hooks. Also, I perceived the incorrect citation as bordering a bare URL, my mistake. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I fail to see how the absense of context could be a WP:NPOV issue, which "means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." Nevertheless, I've added some. I also do not see how what Begin looks like would be remotely relevant to the article or the hook. I wouldn't object to ALT0a with minor modifications: ALT0b: "... that Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin said that he had prevented another Holocaust by bombing an Iraqi nuclear reactor?" but I also do not see anything wrong with the original hook. buidhe 21:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Buidhe: Because Pence claiming that Iran wants "Another Holocaust" is a clearly loaded statement that definitely required context. Why are you so opposed to wikilinks to Begin and Operation Opera? Read MOS:LINK, it makes it easier for readers to find information which is what we want to do. The photo of Begin would be because he is the subject of the quote, as is typical for DYK. It would also make your DYK eligible for a top spot, but it's okay to not want that. Also... you say you appreciate the constructive criticism but have kept the irrelevant photo in the article and you haven't fixed the one incorrect citation. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 22:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

• It's time to move on. ALT0b is okay but we usually say "claim" in these cases rather than "said". I am also linking Operation Opera:
• ALT0c: ... that Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin claimed that he had prevented another Holocaust by bombing an Iraqi nuclear reactor?
• ALT0c hook ref AGF and cited inline. The article is pretty start-class but that's ok for DYK. Rest of review per Nice4What. ALT0c good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:15, 5 July 2020 (UTC)