Talk:Sydney

The info box, under the heading "Government" gives the number of Federal and State electoral divisions which are located in metropolitan Sydney. This is misleading, as it will give casual readers the impression that these electoral divisions represent the government of Sydney. They do not. Metropolitan Sydney does not have a government. There are two issues; 1) if we wish to include this information in the info box, it should be given an accurate heading such as "Representation in lower house of State and Federal parliament" 2) I would argue that this information is sufficiently important to warrant inclusion in the infobox. The info box is only supposed to include key information that is in the article. it should not include complex information that is best explained in prose, and it certainly should not be misleading, as the current information patently is. See WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE. @Shrubshire Please label this information correctly and add citations. Then add it to the body of the article. Or remove it from the info box. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 03:27, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

For the record, i didn't add this section to the infobox, but i think it should be kept nonetheless. I think renaming the section is a good compromise. There's an equivalent government section in the infoboxes for every other aussie capital city page and it doesn't make sense to remove it from sydney's. Shrubshire (talk) 03:36, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

That's fine. The heading I proposed is a little long and awkward, so perhaps a footnote would be better. Could you also include a fully explanation in the government section of the article? I'm a bit pushed for time at the moment. Thanks/ Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 03:38, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

The infobox headings are part of the infobox Australian Place template. That template is locked unless someone requests an edit. I don't have the powers (and i also don't think i'm competent enough) to change those headings right now. As i'm sure you're aware, the aussie city infoboxes have recently had a blanket re-format and so the current headings, sections and formatting are likely not final. I think we can just add footnotes for the time being. Shrubshire (talk) 03:46, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

They Sydney article needs to be updated to acknowledge the Central Coast as part of Sydney. Proposing the below edits for discussion before making them:

The following will be changed: From: "Located on Australia's east coast, the metropolis surrounds Sydney Harbour and extends about 80 km (50 mi) from the Pacific Ocean in the east to the Blue Mountains in the west, and about 80 km (50 mi) from Ku-ring-gai Chase National Park and the Hawkesbury River in the north and north-west, to the Royal National Park and Macarthur in the south and south-west"

To: "Located on Australia's east coast, the metropolis surrounds Sydney Harbour and extends about 80 km (50 mi) from the Pacific Ocean in the east to the Blue Mountains in the west, and about 130 km (80 mi) from Gwandalan on Lake Macquarie in the north, to the Royal National Park and Macarthur in the south and south-west"

From: "Greater Sydney consists of 658 suburbs, spread across 33 local government areas." To: "Greater Sydney consists of 658 suburbs, spread across 34 local government areas."

From: "Sydney is a coastal basin with the Tasman Sea to the east, the Blue Mountains to the west, the Hawkesbury River to the north, and the Woronora Plateau to the south." To: "Sydney is a coastal basin with the Tasman Sea to the east, the Blue Mountains to the west, the Lake Macquarie to the north, and the Woronora Plateau to the south."

From: Sydney spans two geographic regions. The Cumberland Plain lies to the south and west of the Harbour and is relatively flat. The Hornsby Plateau is located to the north and is dissected by steep valleys. To: Sydney spans three geographic regions. The Cumberland Plain lies to the south and west of the Harbour and is relatively flat. The Hornsby Plateau is located to the north and is dissected by steep valleys. The Central Coast is boarded by the Yengo National Park to the west and Lake Macquarie to the north

From: "There is no single definition of the boundaries of Sydney. The Australian Statistical Geography Standard definition of Greater Sydney covers 12,369 km2 (4,776 sq mi) and includes the local government areas of Central Coast in the north"

"The boundaries of Greater Sydney are based on those of the Australian Statistical Geography Standard definition of Greater Sydney and covers 12,369 km2 (4,776 sq mi) and includes the local government areas of Central Coast in the north..."

From: 'Northern Sydney' includes the suburbs in the Upper North Shore, Lower North Shore and the Northern Beaches. The Northern Suburbs include several landmarks – Macquarie University, Gladesville Bridge, Ryde Bridge, Macquarie Centre and Curzon Hall in Marsfield. This area includes suburbs in the local government areas of Hornsby Shire, Ku-ring-gai Council, City of Ryde, the Municipality of Hunter's Hill and parts of the City of Parramatta.

To: 'Northern Sydney' includes the suburbs in the Upper North Shore, Lower North Shore, the Northern Beaches and the Central Coast to Lake Macquarie. The Northern Suburbs include several landmarks – Macquarie University, Gladesville Bridge, Ryde Bridge, Macquarie Centre and Curzon Hall in Marsfield. This area includes suburbs in the local government areas of Hornsby Shire, Ku-ring-gai Council, City of Ryde, the Municipality of Hunter's Hill, parts of the City of Parramatta and the Central Coast."

From: Interactive map doesn't include central coast To: Remove as not accurate Melbourne001 (talk) 04:03, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

The problem is that there is no official definition of Sydney or Greater Sydney and we can't say there is when there isn't. Cities like NYC, London and Paris have clear, legislated boundaries. Sydney does not. The most commonly used boundary for statistical purposes is the ABS Greater Sydney Region, but this is just their boundary in order to make stable population estimates easier over time. It is not the "true" boundary of Sydney. There is a separate article on Greater Sydney which uses various definition for Greater Sydney. Many of these are ad hoc constructions with little commonality. The article on Greater Sydney was merged some years ago and was demerged again a couple of years ago. I think the two articles need to be merged again and the various definitions listed and briefly discussed in the article. Once this is done, we can produce maps of the major boundaries. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 07:50, 17 November 2025 (UTC)