People's Party was centrist-agarian, and Toomas Henrik Ilves was never a conservative. He was and are center-leftist in his life in America. Well, now a socialdemocrat. At least the media interviews in Estonian media about People's Party and his political background subject prove it. People's Party joined in 1999 with Moderates. And they had a united parties magazine since 1998 and united electoral cartel in the 1999. Parliament Election in Estonia.
Ilves is a Karaim: http://www.karaites.org/hatikva.mp3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.126.101.134 (talk) .
- The last unsubstianted claim was removed by []. Restored the talk page to original condition. --Magabund 13:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- Clossius, why do you keep removing those things from talk page? Let the offending IP be visible for all. Why vandalize talk pages? --Magabund 07:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Because the link (even if it were not broken) and the contents of the message constitute nothing but personal livel, which per Wikipedia policy must be removed immediately, even disregarding the 3RR rule, even including on talk pages. But as you keep putting it back, I have to raise the issue otherwise. Clossius 08:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not surprised to find out that User:Clossius has fallen into troubles again. May-be some people are naturally unlucky:(Constanz - Talk 08:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I must say I am surprised to find User:Constanz on the anti-semitic and anti-Ilves side; it just shows he is so aggressive that he is abandoning his own political biases that otherwise motivate his edits here. Clossius 08:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- how do you conclude that I oppose Ilves? another 'interpretation' close to your way of deduction (may-be I should say, your opposition to me?). I was merely pointing out that you got into troubles with yet another anti-anti-semite here.--Constanz - Talk 08:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I conclude that by your supporting to have an (anyway not working) anti-semitic attack (allegedly from Keskkerakond) stand. Just to report this, as you may know, constitutes slander - and it makes anyway no sense. I think the personal animus here is clearly against me and by you; I tried to be civil, but to no avail.Clossius 09:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I know your civility (accusations of 'slander', 'bias' whatever) beforehand. The link here - merely talk page - only might have been useful to illustate the level of Estonia's debate. No matter, I haven't read this crap, kesknädal 'caricatures' told everything..Constanz - Talk 09:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- I didn't think if it as libel. Just some unsigned troll and thats it. No need to remove it IMHO. --Magabund 09:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, the trolling garbage is usually not deleted, and worse, if a revert war over such useless a matter follows. In fact, Keskerakond media really hinted on Ilves' 'jewish connections' (it was written by 'centrist' lawyer Hando Leps that Ilves is 'an adventurer of a Russian-Jewish descent' and not legally a citizen by birth of Estonia. etc--Constanz - Talk 09:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe we can add category Presidents who edit Wikipedia or something like that. It seems that those edits [] are made by the subject himself. --Magabund 08:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Somebody removed my comment, restored it and add that the edits I was talking about are made in succession and one of them reads: (As the person described I eliminated false and nonsensical information). So why not ask him, if he is "the person described"? --Magabund 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's hardly 'the person described'. The IP is from the Lebanon.--Constanz - Talk 09:02, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- You are clearly looking at wrong place, check RIPE:
role: ESTPAK NOC
address: Elion Enterprises Ltd.
address: Hostmasters and NOC helpdesk
address: Sole str 14, Tallinn
address: Estonia
In fact the address is from DSL pool. --Magabund 09:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)