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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 August 2018 and 22 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sandmanether, AlanSi91.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 05:29, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
"Unrecognised state"
There is no such thing. A state exists, or it doesn't exist. This one did. It is irrelevant whether (for example) a corrupt talking shop such as the UN happened to dislike it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.228.197 (talk) 22:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- You are not correct; when a group of people proclaim a new state to exist in a geographic area, the recognition of their attempt by other states, and by the people in the geographic area, are key to whether it will come into existence and remain in existence. The American Colonies declared independence, then fought a war and won, then the confederate "states" declared their independence and fought a war and lost. Israel declared a state and fought a series of wars. Eritrea proclaimed a state... I could go on. Your claim that those states existed or did not exist at each point in time is not a reflection of reality, there are grey areas and there are birthing pains. Long after the fact you can look back and say "well it happened on this day", but you might be celebrating as statehood what other people call a beer hall putsch. 68.173.49.156 (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Summarisation/deletion
Not entirely comfortable with this approach:
- What's the guideline - is this article too long?
- We are losing and awful lot of material here. If removal is appropriate then the material removed should be put into the relevant articles History of Zimbabwe etc., rather than just deleting.
- Some material is removed as unsourced. This is wrong - it should be tagged so editors can run around and find the sources and only removed if no-one finds a source after the tag is in place for a reasonable period of time.
I'm far from convinced that this pruning is the right approach, but would rather discuss than revert. Babakathy (talk) 14:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- The article is longish. See WP:SIZERULE; the current prose size is 61kb, anything over 60 kB falls under "probably should be divided". The pre-cuts version was 71 kB.
- There is already a lot of unsourced material at History of Zimbabwe, especially about the recent history, which was all I summarised (the pre-1980 years were untouched), so adding more would not improve either article.
- WP:V says it pretty clearly - any unsourced material may be removed. If you look at History of Zimbabwe, there are 'citation needed' tags going back to 2007, and keeping a country-level article in those conditions for so long is inappropriate in my opinion.
- Having said that, if you feel I have removed something that was important to the article, I'm willing to find sources for it and add it back, if you tell me what it is.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 14:36, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
The map in the sidebar showing Zimbabwe's location in Africa versus its location in the African Union has got to be one of the stupidest Wikipedifications that I've seen in a looong time. Did some turkey go off and do this to every African country? ... off to investigate, shaking head sadly. 68.173.49.156 (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- What's stupid about it? --Katangais (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- Just tell where it is in Africa. The separate fact that there is an African Union which is most of Africa except Morocco withdrew from it and Central African Republic has been suspended is entirely unrelated to every other African country. It's pedantic and distracting. 68.173.49.156 (talk) 03:36, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Zimbabwean Bond Coins.
The Zimbabwean Bond Coins are now in circulation, therefore, this should be listed in the currency information - (202.89.141.109 (talk) 02:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC))
Bond coins saved the challenge of change as rand coins where in short supply Zimbudzi (talk) 18:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
The Life Expectancy Figure for Zimbabwe is outdated
Where is Canaan Banana?
White population
November 2017 coup
External links modified
Remove '(disputed)' mentions
1980 Independence how?
Individual reassessment
The article contains maintenance banners that are still valid in numerous sections, for over an year. Section Colonial era and Rhodesia (1888–1964) is tagged as needing additional references, with inline {{cn}} tags identifying the issues as early as 2015. The same goes for section UDI and civil war (1965–1980), although it does not have individual tags, it clearly needs additional references, as there are entire paragraphs unreferenced. Sections Geography and environment and the Flora and fauna sub-section are tagged as having no references for over a year and still lack them. Section Human rights, Armed forces, and Tourism are also tagged as in need of further referencing for over a year, and also with individual tags indicating that an update is needed in some aspects. Finally, the article itself is tagged as documenting a current event, and given the recent edit history, it's no longer stable. For these reasons I believe the article does not meet GA criteria anymore. I haven't made major contributions to the article nor am I very familiar with the subject to fix everything that has to be fixed myself, so I ask for input from the other editors if the GA status should be revoked or if the problems can be fixed. Saturnalia0 (talk) 23:50, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
- Saturnalia0, please be sure to notify the Zimbabwe WikiProject about your reassessment, and give them seven days to respond, even if they aren't as active as they once were. If no one does show up to begin addressing the issues raised—and there are many of them, especially regarding unreferenced sections and paragraphs—then I don't see any choice but to delist. Please note that being templated as documenting a current event is not grounds for delisting, nor are constructive edits to update the article accordingly. Improvements are not considered instability, though edit wars, if they are occurring and continue to occur, could be. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
- Wilco. Saturnalia0 (talk) 22:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Saturnalia0: What is the current status of this reassessment? AIRcorn (talk) 00:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
GA Reassessment
- This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Zimbabwe/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.
@Aircorn: Abandoned. Saturnalia0 (talk) 00:35, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- Aircorn, perhaps this should be converted to a community reassessment? On the other hand, there are indeed many sections with minimal or no inline source citations, and quite a few "citation needed" templates, so there clearly are problems. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:43, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would just delist it. It needs a lot of work and will likely sit in the community assessment pool for a few months before someone gets around to it (although I am trying to be more proactive). That alright by you Saturnalia0. AIRcorn (talk) 00:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
- Yup. Saturnalia0 (talk) 04:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would just delist it. It needs a lot of work and will likely sit in the community assessment pool for a few months before someone gets around to it (although I am trying to be more proactive). That alright by you Saturnalia0. AIRcorn (talk) 00:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
