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Questions when determining a naming convention for churches within a given country:

Which language?
If in English, "St." (North American) or "St" (British and Commonwealth)? This should be determined by the variety of English in which the article is written.
Include the denomination's name? Should some be included and others not?
Comma or parenthetical disambiguation?

WP:CHURCH and MOS:PARTSAINT
Very old: Wikipedia talk:Article titles/Archive 6 § Mount, Mt., Mt and Saint, St., St (2005)
Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 18 § DEFAULTSORT for churches (2022)
Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 August 3 § Naming conventions for church buildings (2023)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity/Noticeboard/Archive 13 § Naming conventions for churches (2024)
Authority control and Controlled vocabulary
RMs:
- Talk:Saint Petersburg § Article name (2013). Result: Saint
- Talk:Cathedral of Saint Elias and Saint Gregory the Illuminator § Requested move 26 May 2019 (minimal participation). Result: Saint
  (This undid Talk:Cathedral of Saint Elias and Saint Gregory the Illuminator § Requested move 06 May 2016, which resulted in St)
- Talk:Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran § Requested move 22 June 2019 (minimal participation). Result: Saint
- Talk:Monastery of Saint Thaddeus § Requested move 25 August 2019 (minimal participation). Result: Saint
- Talk:Church of Saint John the Baptist, Kerch § Requested move 25 August 2019 (minimal participation). Result: Saint
- Talk:Church of Saint Sophia, Ohrid § Requested move 17 October 2019 (11 articles). Result: Saint
- Talk:Abbey of Saints Ulrich and Afra § Requested move 12 March 2025 (2 articles). Result: Saints
- Talk:St. Peter's Basilica § Requested move 22 April 2025. Result: St.
- Talk:Church of Saint Andrew, Narach § Requested move 31 December 2025 (minimal participation). Result: Saint
Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran, Basilica of Saint Anthony of Padua, Basilica of Saint Francis of Assisi, Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls, Papal Basilica of Saint Mary of the Angels in Assisi (NB also Santa Maria degli Angeli, Assisi)

"St" in Commonwealth English

2013 South African government style guide, p. 24
I couldn't see anything equivalent in the equivalents for Australia and New Zealand, other than general guidance not to use full stops in abbreviations.

Dedications to individual saints

Y St John's Church, Johnston
N St John's Church (Johnson)
N St. John's Church, Johnston
N Saint John's Church, Johnston
N Church of St John, Johnston
N St John's, Johnston
N St John's Johnston

This is the simplest kind of dedication and would set the standard for how we do other dedications.

St Andrew's Southgate → St Andrew's Church, Southgate?
- Style on official website: St Andrew's Southgate
St John, Friern Barnet → St John's Church, Friern Barnet?
- Style on official website: St John's Church
St John the Baptist Church, Chipping Barnet → St John's Church, Chipping Barnet?
- Style on official website: St. John the Baptist Church, Barnet
St Stephen Walbrook: comma or not? Walbrook is a street name. Different convention for (some) churches in the City of London?
St Anne's Limehouse

When the dedication is also the place name

St Hilary's Church, St Hilary, Cornwall
St Hilary's Church, St Hilary, Vale of Glamorgan
St Lawrence's Church, St Lawrence, Isle of Wight
St Mellons Church, St Mellons, Cardiff
St Martin's Church, St Martin's, Cornwall

Other dedications

All Saints

Include apostrophe, following the same principle as St John's Church, Johnston?

All Saints Church, Poplar → All Saints' Church, Poplar
- Style on official website: All Saints' Church

All Souls

Include apostrophe, following the same principle as St John's Church, Johnston?

Christ Church

Always Christ Church, X (where X is a place name)?

Christ Church at Whetstone → Christ Church, Whetstone?
- Style on official website: Christ Church at Whetstone
Christ Church New Southgate & Friern Barnet → Christ Church, New Southgate and Friern Barnet?
- Style on official website: Christ Church[,] New Southgate & Friern Barnet
Christ Church North Finchley → Christ Church, North Finchley?
- Style on official website: Christ Church North Finchley

Dedications to two saints

If the combination of saints is unique, no disambiguation is needed?

Church of St Anselm and St Cecilia → Church of St Anselm and St Cæcilia or no change?
- Style on official website: Roman Catholic Church of St Anselm & St Cæcilia
Our Lady and St Thomas of Canterbury, Harrow – no change, for the sake of brevity?
- Style on official website: Our Lady and St Thomas of Canterbury
- Not a unique dedication; see also Far_East_prisoners_of_war#FEPOW_Memorial_Church

Dedications with the names of donors, etc.

St Mary Abbots – no change?
- Style on official website: St Mary Abbots Parish Church, Kensington

Holy Trinity

Church of Holy Trinity, Minories → Church of the Holy Trinity, Minories or Holy Trinity Church, Minories?
- Church no longer extant
Holy Trinity Brompton – no change?
- Style on official website: HTB
Holy Trinity East Finchley → Church of the Holy Trinity, East Finchley or Holy Trinity Church, East Finchley?
- Style on official website: Holy Trinity East Finchley
Holy Trinity Lyonsdown → Church of the Holy Trinity, Lyonsdown or Holy Trinity Church, Lyonsdown?
- Style on official website: Lyonsdown (?)

Idiosyncratic forms of saints' names

Follow style on individual churches' official websites?

Less common dedications

Church of St Mary Major, Ilchester
Church of St Peter ad Vincula, Tower of London (and St Peter ad Vincula, Pennal, etc.)

St Michael

Dedications to St Michael and All Angels can be abbreviated to St Michael's Church, X (where X is a place name)?

St Michael & All Angels, Enfield → St Michael's Church, Enfield?
- Style on official website: St Michael & All Angels Parish Church Enfield / St Michaels

Saints' names ending in -s

St Barnabas' Church, Woodford Green

St X-at-Y

Church of St John-at-Hackney
St John-at-Hampstead
St Mary-at-Finchley Church
St Mary-at-Hill
St Mary-at-Lambeth: redirect to Garden Museum

St X-in-the-Y

Hyphens or not?

St Giles in the Fields → St Giles-in-the-Fields?
- Style on official website: St Giles-in-the-Fields
- cf. St Giles in the Fields (parish) (redirect to St Giles, London) and St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury (redirect to St Giles District (Metropolis))
St Martin in the Bull Ring – ?
- Style on official website: St Martin in the Bull Ring
St Martin-in-the-Fields – ?
- Style on official website: St Martin in the Fields
- cf. varying styles at St Martin-in-the-Fields (disambiguation)
St Peter-in-the-Forest – no change?
- Style on official website: St Peter-in-the-Forest

Titles of Mary

Church of X, Y (where X is Mary's title and Y is a place name)? Retain Our Lady rather than changing to St Mary.

St Mary of the Angels, Bayswater → Church of St Mary of the Angels, Bayswater?
- Style on official website: St. Mary of the Angels

Names of denominations

Omit these unless they are necessary for disambiguation?

St Agatha's Roman Catholic Church, Kingston upon Thames → St Agatha's Church, Kingston upon Thames
- Style on official website: st agatha's church or Roman Catholic Church of St Agathas, Kingston (sic!)
St Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Clapham – no change?
- Style on official website: St. Mary’s R C Church[,] Clapham
- There is also St Mary's Church, Clapham, West Sussex