User:Northfox

Expelled from Expelled: Youtube on Dawkins interviewing Myers

Here. Seems to be an 'interview' in a hotel room after Myers was expelled and looks like a planned event; was shot from 2-3 different angles simultaneously. Dawkins fed some questions and Myers answered. One reason why future viewings of Expelled have been cancelled may be that Myers said in this Youtube video that he 'instructed' (his own words) people to sign up for future public viewings by the name PZ Myers. Organizers then might have pulled future film showing out of security reasons. Northfox (talk) 01:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

This is an absurd piece of baseless speculation. Following this line of thinking, all the Evil Atheist Conspiracy needs to do is to issue PZ Myers masks and conservative Evangelicals will abandon their homes and flee to the Bible-belt. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 02:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm planned event? As in non-spontanious? Sounds sinister. And your conjecture could be true Northfox, but I'm inclined to wonder if they pulled the plug on the private showings because they fear an impending attack by Nazi remnants who are pissed because Crossroads Expelled lables them as "Darwinists". The Nazis hated Darwin, burned and banned his books right along side the bible even (they were a grumpy bunch to be sure). They are very testy about being called "Darwinists". Anyhow thanks for the link. Angry Christian (talk) 02:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

AFAIK, there is no evidence of planned action from far-right extremist groups. But we have a very prominent anti-IDer who instructs people to sign up under false names to attend (and maybe use the ensuing confusion to disturb) future showings. Reason enough for an organizer to take appropriate steps. Northfox (talk) 04:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't make much sense; all they'd need to do is to not let in any of the fake PZs, and they'd have a good reason to given that the people had signed up under false names (unlike with the real PZ). Alternatively, the could let them all in. Then what disruption could occur? As explanations go this is less than compelling. JoshuaZ (talk) 05:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I will admit that the Myers and Dawkins clip looks fairly professional, particularly with the camera angles. It does make me wonder why it looks so good. And it looks like it was shot within a day of the actual expulsion. What gives?--Filll (talk) 03:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Myers and Dawkins didn't just fall off the turnip truck. They've both been in the public eye, and it wouldn't be surprising that they knew how to find a camera crew at short notice (whether for hire or through media connections). So it wasn't necessarily planned in advance although it could have been. Raymond Arritt (talk) 03:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Alternately, as they were both attending a major atheists convention, it is possible that they'd pre-planned an interview unrelated to the expulsion, and opportunistically made use of the crew to film a piece on it. Or the crew might have been at the convention for some other reason and just got roped in. Or ... There are numerous non-sinister scenarios. Or alternately the Evil Atheist Conspiracy turned their Orbital Mind-control Lasers on Mathis forcing him to expel Myers so that they could hold an interview that they pre-planned on that exact subject. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 03:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I never said that Dawkins and Myers had sinister motives. Interesting interpretation by Angry Christian and Hrafn. Just that it looked planned. Maybe there were planning to give their comments on Expelled after seeing it before running cameras anyway, and the expulsion came as a windfall. But the 'instructed' comment is quite revealing. Northfox (talk) 04:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

And I never said that you said they did -- my "sinister" comment was in response to Filll's "make me wonder". What I in fact said that you did was make absurd speculations about the relationship between Myers' clearly tongue-in-cheek 'instruction' & the cancellation of previously planned previews. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk

Hrafn, to quote you from above: Hmmm planned event? As in non-spontanious? Sounds sinister. that was not abut my comment? Anyway, I leave it at that. Northfox (talk) 05:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Northfox: learn to read! It was Angry Christian who said that, not me -- and even that did not accuse you of saying "that Dawkins and Myers had sinister motives", merely that it gave a sinister impression ("sounds sinister"). You are again exaggerating in an apparent attempt to make a martyr of yourself. Please leave your cross and your nails outside. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 06:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

From what PZ said on his blog a couple days ago, I think they planned to do an interview/conversation well in advance, as part of Dawkins' visit to Minnesota. Guettarda (talk) 04:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I would have done that "instruction" bit myself. Sounds like a good way to sort of get even. I would have been fairly annoyed if I had gone out of my way to get to the mall and bring my friends and family and waited in line and then been threatened with an arrest. So I don't blame him at all for giving that "instruction", if it originated with him, or he was just passing on someone else's idea. Serves them right.--Filll (talk) 04:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)