User talk:Baristarim

Selam

Selam,

Türkiye için yaptığın bu kadar katkıyı görmemek işten değil. Gerçekten çok uzun zamandır izliyor ve takdir ediyorum, ve bittab'ii gurur duyuyorum. Bana gelince 3-5 şey eklemeye çalışmış olsam da çok başarılı olamadım. Hem çok vaktim olmadığından, hem de bir türlü Wikipedia'yı kullanmayı şu ana kadar öğrenemediğimden. Ya kendi çektiğim fotoğrafı yüklüyorum, diyorum benim eserim, tepe tepe kullanın yine copyright'ını teyid edemedik diyor. Of! Sizler bu işlerden benden çok daha iyi anladığınıza göre belli sayfalara WikiProject Türkiye etiketini koyarak sizlere de yönlendirmiş mi oluyorum? Bu sayfaları ben nasıl görür ve takip edebilirim peki? Istanbul sayfasının kilidi açılmış hemen saldırmaya başlamışlar, nasıl geri kilitleyebiliriz? --Eae1983 (talk) 01:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

PS: Sen çok yerde yaşamışsın benim gibi, senin de mi ailen diplomatik tayfadan benim ailem gibi? :) (Ben de 9 ülke 11 şehirde yaşadım 30 küsur ülke de gezmek zorunda kaldım, 8 de dil konuşuyorum, çok güzel katkılarım olabilir belki ama bi öğrenemedim şu mereti kullanmayı ahhaha) --Eae1983 (talk) 01:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Categorizing Turks under Muslims

Hi,

You're right, and I did consider it before categorizing. The "Islam in Turkey" page claims 99% of the population is Muslim, though I agree that there are those who aren't. I simply wasn't sure what's better - start going through all the Iranian-Dutch, Pakistani-Dutch, Moroccan-Dutch and see one by one whether they're Muslims, or add the entire category, with the option of being wrong here and there. I might have chosen wrong. I will review all the people listed under the category and re-categorize. Misheu 06:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Story

Hey,

I'm a reporter working on a story about people editing idelologically charged Wikipedia pages. I was wondering if you'd be interested in talking a bit about the Armenian Genocide page, I was interested in your comments about feeling like minor edits could set off edit wars. You can get me here: matt.phillips@wsj.com

And thanks,

Matt

Welcome back!

Hi, your absence was definitely missed in the WPTR. Welcome back! --Free smyrnan 18:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back! I've been working very hard on Turkish language (top importance for WPTR, of course) for a few days, and it is currently a GA candidate. You could perhaps have a look, if you have the time. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 19:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back Baris. I gave Suleiman the Magnificent another brief push but real life commitments stop me from developing it further. Also created Cypriot Civil War. Cheers, --A.Garnet 21:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the barnstar, I'm flattered. Atilim Gunes Baydin 23:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. Actually, I'm trying very hard to stay away from Wikipedia (seriously). I'm buried, up to my neck, into homeworks and thesis work and this damn project always gets in the way. I'm very pleased with how Turkey, Turkish language, and others transform from intolerable nonsense into decent articles, but the time I spend here is not doing much good to me. I guess you have the same problem, but somehow manage not to get involved when you have other things to do. Oh, and I don't even want to think about Atatürk article for now (it was literally hijacked during your absence, I tried to raise my concerns on the talk page, then simply started to ignore it). Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 00:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm very pleased to see Milliyet's study. At last there is some very clear reference to cite on this issue. Atilim Gunes Baydin 19:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hey man, long time no see! I see your point about OR and all. How about if I can find sources saying that these places are in "Turkish Kurdistan", then I can add the cat? Khoikhoi 01:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, categories are not an assertation of fact, they simply group articles of common interest—many people use the term so they would be interested in these articles. As for the academic consensus, see Google Scholar. I've been pretty good recently, it's hard for me to keep up with everything in Wikipedia, with real life an all. As for Mor Hananyo Monastery, maybe it would be a better idea to go to WP:RM. I would move the page by myself, but I don't think it would be non-controversial. Say cool, Khoikhoi 04:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Turkey

You really need to protect this page, its Ararat arev, see Armenia. He made the Armenia page a mess, you should get this protected ASAP. Artaxiad 03:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah its so stressful, I always comprise with him on messengers it takes me hours to reach a agreement ever since I stopped talking to him he has attacked pages again. Artaxiad 03:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if we can get this too Good article status, Van, Turkey Artaxiad 16:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words

Thanks! I really had not intended to attack anyone; I was just interested to see how partisan the debate actually was, and I was kind of disturbed at the results. I in fact don't generally become involved in this type of discussion, mostly because I just don't have the patience to fight long editing wars. I can understand how editors that have been fighting each other over these articles can become hardened in their positions, but it is sad. --Brianyoumans 17:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Replacement

Hi Baris, I don't mind the replacement and please don't get what I wrote about the WikiProject's name wrong. I want people to colaborate and work together to better the articles relating the Kurds and Kurdistan. I have no political goal or ambitions. But because people are just unnecessarily too extremely against the term Kurdistan and because you can easily group these people; I don't mind keeping its current name. Ozgur Gerilla 23:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• Why do u say I'm GreekWarrior?--Domitius 23:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

North Korea

If you knew that everything I say about the subject is the truth, would you call it "social commentary"? talk is cheap, is true cheap as well? If the average hight of boys in north korea is 7" shorter than that of same age boys in south korea because of malnutrition, If thousands die in concentration camps because of a comment they might have uttered against the government, If on the other hand the "president" had 200 imported limousines and a 22000 titles movie library... and finally if after all the countries you have been to you couldn't step into North Korea because it's the closest country on earth and because they don't want you to see that what I say, which in any case is well documented, is true.. What would you say to an old women who is dying by giving whatever food she has to her grand child so at least he can live? <Yoradler5 04:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)>

Thanks a lot

Thanks Barış for the award. I'm going through my watchlist alphabetically and jumping from here to there. Due to the size of my watchlist, I guess I'll be a Wikipedian until I am 92 (but not 93) years old :) See you deniz^T_C 05:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Feedback/opinions needed on Bibliography for Hrant Dink

Barış, would you mind giving me your opinion regarding this? Thx! --Free smyrnan 12:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Turkey's article seem's to be vandalised (1st paragraph, Armenians...) Just to let you know, --Bahar (Spring in Turkish) ✍ 22:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia weekyl podcast interview

hi there, that was fast!

actually, I posted that invitation at the wrong place, I had intended to place it at User:Yannismarou. However, as you will have seen in my invitation, I am also interested in interviewing someone who can represent the turkish side alongside the greek in an amicable manner (as per what we did in episode 15 when discussing the edit conflicts over India/pakisatan and how that was resolved). I therefore extend the invitation to you to join in - from the looks of it, you're the perfect candidate!

Do you know User:Yannismarou or have you worked with him before? I have now removed the invitation from the Coop board and placed it at his talk page. but consider yourself invited also. Thankyou. Witty lama 01:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

That's great! this will be an interesting chat! So, if you two could work out when is good for you toghether, then we'll see how that goes from there. We record using skype, so you'll need that, and when you're set up (if you're not already) contact me at "wittylama" on skype. I can then add you to the Wikipedia Weekly message board where we plan upcoming content. I also suggest you listen to an episode or two to see what we're on about. Please pass this information on to Yannismarou. teşekkür ederim, Witty lama 01:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit war on Turkey

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in Turkey. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Gwernol 01:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I think you misunderstood the situation at Turkey: it is not an edit-war, it is vandalism. I have already filed a report at requests for page protection. There is a user who is single-handedly vandalizing both Turkey and Armenia (the latter was protected by User:Khoikhoi for the same reason) and User:El C protected Turkey two days ago for the same reason, and me and a bunch of editors have been busy reverting this user who keeps resurrecting himself repeatedly.. There is no content dispute in reality.. Baristarim 01:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid its is not vandalism. Please read out definition of vandalism. This a good faith addition, if misguided addition so it does not count as vandalism. This means you should not revert it and you should not use tools like popups to revert it. Thanks, Gwernol 01:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Its from a indef blocked user, Ararat arev, we are allowed to revert more than 3 times, since this user is highly disruptive tons of administrators know this also, Reverting actions performed by banned users. WP:3RR Artaxiad 01:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. "Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia.". That user has indicated in his summaries that he is making his edits per WP:POINT. That article is a Featured Article and a user who has used up 50+ or so accounts to get his point through in many articles by placing an irrelevant paragraph on top of the page, before anything else, is compromising the integrity of Wikipedia and that of one of its best articles. I am not going, nor should any Wikipedian, sit on his hands and let that happen. All I am saying is that it is vandalism if the edits are done per POINT by a user who has resurrected himself fifty times already without a legitimate content dispute taking place. Please see the article history to see what I mean (and that of Armenia). Baristarim 02:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

WP tag

Hi Barış. Actually, that's what I did. I only added obvious categories and set aside some others to be done manually; I might've not noticed Category:Assyrian settlements, which includes the articles. Please accept my apologies and do revert any other similar edits if you can find any. Thank you. :-) Regards, Anas ^talk? 02:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

User Talk

Whats wrong with you,,? That is my User page, don't you understand this. I don't want editwar, please leave things as they are! Thanks. --Bohater 11:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Weekly Podcast Interview

I got Skype. I have a broadband connection already! The only think I now need is a microphone to check if everything works fine with Skype!! Because I may have the program now, but I cannot record or test the sound quality!

Anyway, I think I can buy a microphone within the Weekend or even earlier, and fix these technicalities. And If I don't manage to fix them (although I don't think so, I do have friends with both Skype and a microphone!). As you can see, I think the idea is fine. And we could go forward with it. But I would prefer this prodcasting to take place next week - the soonest in the beginning of the next week. I don't know If I will be ready earlier, and my program is a bit of a mess this week.

I will post this message to Wikilama (check his talk page), and we'll see how we proceed from now on! Cheers!--Yannismarou 18:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see you're both onboard with this! Why don't (both) you contact me on Skype at "Wittylama" and we can work out a record time there. I can also bring you into the convesation message board for coordinating upcoming content. We can also discuss format (length of interview) and content (proposed /topicsquestions) there. In the mean time, I recomend you listen to a couple of previous episodes (especially ep. 15 which was an extended interview I did along similar lines of interest to here). Witty lama 18:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I just inform you that in terms of equipment I am ready earlier than I thought! So, w can arrange a reord time any time available.--Yannismarou 20:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, we two are in contact on skype. Join us whenever you can. I'm "wittylama" on skype. Witty lama 19:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the reminder

I forgot about the talk page, yes. As for the merge, basically there's a Greek and a Turkish name for the same dessert, and I redirected the very new/short article to the older one. I'm not sure which name it should stay under in the end, but I think the history of the older article should be preserved, since it's 4 years old and has more content. --Delirium 06:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ministries

Barış,

Yeni kullanıcı adım Makalp. Dışişleri bakanlığı ismindeki düzeltmeni gördüm. Diğerlerini de kontrol edermisin. Başbakanlık sitesinde farklı-bakanlık sitesinde farklı olarak adlandırılanlar var.

Çevre ve orman bakanlığına bakanlık organizasyonunu ekledim, fakat çok kuru oldu. Bakanlıklar için bir layout taslağı hazırlamak, birer infobox yapmak ve sayfa altı için bir navigation template hazırlamak uygun olur diye düşünüyorum.(Districts of Turkey örneğine benzeyebilir; Bakanlıklar-->alt birimler) Dışişleri bakanları listesi, Tüm bakanlıklar için hazırlanmalı. Ayrıca Başlangıçtan bu yana( 1'den 59'a) kabineler ve üyeleri için birer sayfa hazırlamak uygun olmazmı?

Denizin talep etmiş olduğu İstanbul Şablonu hakkında bir fikir oluştumu? Görüşlerini bekliyorum. Selamlar. Mustafa Akalp Makalp^TC 07:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Mustafa adini degistirmen iyi olmamis, keep yaziyordun yaninda Must cikiyordu, psikolojik baski :) Saka bi yana, Istanbul sablonunu yapalim bence. Bir de, wikiproject Turkey'de yeni bir sekme acalim, current tasks diye, yanlarinda o isi halletmek isteyecek kisilerin adlarini koyacak da yer olsun, istersek onem derecelerini yazacak bi yer de koyalim. isler hallolunca sileriz o sayfadan. Yalniz biraz duzenli olsun, ve ayni anda mesela 10'dan 15'ten fazla is/gorev olmasin. saat gece 4 burda ben yatayim. deniz^T_C 08:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Current Task konusuna bakıyorum, bugün bir taslak hazırlamaya çalışacağım. İstanbul Şablonu için düşündüklerin neler; Navigation box? hangi bilgiler yeralmalı vb?.İmzada hata yapmışım, düzelttim. Must is a Must.Must^TC 09:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Please check this link to see editsummary and history of User!!.Any commends?Must.^{T C} 14:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

If you charge with me to use sockpuppets, then I will complain it. I'm not amused by that! ! --Bohater 14:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I Understand you, but really he is not mine..We can check it. that is not problem for me.--Bohater 15:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

please, join it

This user is a member of WikiProject Kurdistan, a WikiProject which aims to create, edit and expand articles relating to Kurdistan. Please feel free to join us.

--Bohater 15:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes you can. I,project coordinator, accepted your membership. ): Must.^{T C} 19:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProjectBanners

Well, this discussion was went through some time ago, and it's accepted to use WP Banner if there are more than one WikiProject banner. Actually, both pages you revereted, had two project banners (Kirkuk-Ceyhan Oil Pipeline is a part of WikiProject Turkey and WikiProject Architecture and Iran-Turkey pipeline is a part of WikiProject Turkey and WikiProject Iran). By reverting you also deleted WikiProject Iran banner and small energy portal banners. I would like to ask to restore these deleted banners. Thanks. Beagel 19:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I see and accept your point. However, I personally don't think this is a right thing if most of the space at the talk page is covered by large banners, but I could live with two banners :-) Cheers, Beagel 20:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

WPTR

Please check Wikipedia:WikiProject_Turkey/Current_tasks, bring your comments. Regards.Must.^{T C} 20:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• I am trying to organize the Current tasks in the project. I dont have a clear idea that my way is right or not.
• Please check; Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey/Current tasks and --> Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey/Current tasks/Maps to see the structure of this work. Please, revise my english/grammar in these page.
• Waiting your oppinions.

Regards.Must.^{T C} 10:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Hittites

Dude there's no point in adding this, if you add that than we need to add Armenia, Iran etc since all of them have similarities especially the Armenians probably the closest because of linguist connects etc. This has nothing to do with Turkey back than, present day territory only since Rome has occupied Turkey before and Greece so we add them too? thats what 6 projects already? Artaxiad 04:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Its okay, sometimes I get pissed off no worries, it actually is closest to Turkey not ethnically ;-) geographically LOL. Artaxiad 04:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For your great contributions to Turkish-related articles Artaxiad 04:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem, keep up the good work. Artaxiad 04:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hi

Hi there, sorry you missed Turkey being on the front page, it led to some interesting vandalisms, but all was well eventually. I am still working on Hrant Dink, essentially re-writing from the ground up. When I take a break from doing that, I have been adding WPTR tags around - several hundred at least. Once Hrant Dink is finished, I think I will reduce wiki involvement though. Regards, --Free smyrnan 05:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Watch

Please watch my last contributions Special:Contributions/Makalp.Regards.Must.^{T C} 18:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Selam

I am discussing it in the talk page. The best statistics is provincial first, see my note. --alidoostzadeh 03:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Podcasting

Hi! I am in contact with Witty lama in Skype (I think he has left you a new message above). Contact him or me (username:Yannis marou) any time you are availabe. I think that the podcasting could be arranged for the coming week. Cheers!--Yannismarou 19:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking forward. At least something more interesting to discuss about that AfDs!--Yannismarou 15:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Re

To tell you the truth, I was just about to thank you because the page name was changed =)

My great-grandmother (from 'polis) taught Turkish to her son who both, in turn, taught my mother and her sister (only by speaking) from a very young age and my mom spoke with me while I was growing up. I can't say it's come to much use lately (reading is especially difficult sometimes) but while I was watching the coverage of Hrant Dink's murder on the internet such as hurriyet and milliyet, much of it just came back. I speak and understand Azerbaijani Turkish much better since we had some Azeris in my hometown before they all left (my dad taught me Azeri Turkish, he's near fluent). Why would I add Turkish flags? --MarshallBagramyan 03:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

There's many Armenians like me such as Fadix - sad to say, I find myself using many Turkish words when speaking (Esshak, yanee, sarsaq, beereesee, etc. =)).--MarshallBagramyan 06:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

for adding cats and cleanups... :) --Oguz1 16:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Müzeler

Şunu bir zahmet İstanbul'un Art & Culture bölümüne ekleyebilir misin? Müzelerden bahsedilen bölüme.

Hans bana fena halde kafayı taktı.

Biraz daha geliştirebilirsen (diğer müzeler, kültürel etkinlikler, vesaire) daha da iyi olur.

Istanbul Archaeology Museum, established in 1881, is one of the largest and most famous museums of its kind in the world. The museum contains more than 1,000,000 archaeological pieces from the Mediterranean basin, the Balkans, the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia. The extremely ornate Alexander Sarcophagus, believed to be prepared for Alexander the Great, is among the most famous pieces of ancient art in the museum. The Kadesh Peace Treaty, signed between Ramesses II of Egypt and Muwatalli II of the Hittite Empire, is another favourite of the visitors. It is the oldest known peace treaty in the world. Istanbul Mosaic Museum contains the late Roman and early Byzantine floor mosaics and wall ornaments of the Great Palace of Constantinople. The nearby Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum, originally the Ibrahim Pasha Palace (1524) on Sultanahmet Square, displays a vast collection of items from various Islamic civilizations. Sadberk Hanım Museum on the Bosphorus contains a wide variety of artifacts, dating from the earliest Anatolian civilizations to the Ottomans.

Selamlar, saygılar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.42.179.93 (talk • contribs)

Teşekkürler. :)

Bundan böyle aklıma yeni bir bilgi geldiğinde size yollarım, siz de gerekli düzenlemeleri/eklemeleri yaparak (eğer güzel bilgiyse) yerleştirirsiniz böylece Hans kızmaz. :)

İstanbul'a döndüğümde bol bol fotoğraf çekip oradaki bilgisayarımdan yükleyeceğim. İnadım inat. :)

Importance rating

If you look at De Gaulle article, the quality of the article was rated but not the importance of the subject matter, which will be, in most cases, subjective anyway, although I assume there would be a consensus for De Gaulle. But not for Coluche, for example, which waits be rated, on the basis of article quality once again, not by his own virtues, which is not up to a single wikipedian to decide. I think we should have a WPTR template that excludes importance ratings.

Hadi importance rating var diyelim. Bir de Tuğba Karademir'i birisi top importance olarak değerlendirmiş de, tutup mid-importance'a indirmişsin Barış. Senin için önemli bir konu demek ki:) Tuğba Özay'a da "star" tanımını fazla görmüştün. İsimlerin üzerinde durma, sadece örnek olarak veriyorum, ama ben nasıl yükselteyim diye düşünürüm. Sadece Türk'e propaganda yapabilen Türkler olduğu gibi, sadece Türk'e kabadayılık yapabilen Türkler de vardır. I think we should have a WPTR template that excludes importance ratings. Regards. Cretanforever 05:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 15:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Look I don't know, I may have rushed myself with that vote. After the events in Cretan Muslims and other articles it's been difficult for me to assume good faith. Miskin 15:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Fenari Isa Camii

Hallo Baristarim, I am happy that you liked the article. What does it mean GA?

Thanks, Alex2006 17:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a good idea, thanks! By the way, if you like the subject, I wrote also another article about this, and I am planning a couple more...Ciao, Alex2006 17:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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I have changed the scope, is that oky, now?--Bohater 20:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Dear leader

Oh please, it goes far beyond hero-cult-worship status in Turkey, as if the man is a deity and his picture has to be posted up everywhere, even an Armenian church; something more akin to teenage idolatry for a boy band group. You guys cannot even handle a little criticism that you have to turn to venues such as YouTube and ban them solely on the grounds that it sounds offensive and hence, insults dear leader. I know not all Turks agreed with the decision (perhaps not even you) but it's kind of hypocritical for you guys to criticize France, for example, for limitations of free speech and then read the articles inserted in the Turkish legal code.

Many Turks cannot fathom the belief that someone defecated on Ataturk's house or perhaps Kemal was a bisexual, so what would their reaction be if they read in the same sentence the word genocide and his name?

All I have to do is read the comments and insults directed by fan boys like OttomanReference and I know the answer. --MarshallBagramyan 01:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair warning:

Don't delete the "Kurdish genocide claims" section from the Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey because:

1. It is a WP:POINT vio, considering that the dab-page for that section is under AfD. (here)
2. It is sourced by three academicians, and includes nothing but their own words. Some of these academicians are highly accredited and valued members of the academic community (well, even if they weren't...)

When it grows up, it will become a separate article. Then we can discuss about the title (especially about dropping the "claims" part for instance). NikoSilver 19:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ignore Baris, he is trying to wind you up. --A.Garnet 19:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I know :)) Baristarim 19:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Memo to me: next time Baris starts his rhetoric about AGF, cite this diff.--Domitius 19:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Was just about to revert it in any case.. Next time maybe I will cite this for WP:STALK. Baristarim 19:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Haha, speaking about "stalk", touché: I liked that one! NikoSilver 20:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, humor helps sometimes :) Baristarim 20:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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Columbia vandal

Thanks for spotting that vandal. Blocked and deleted. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Kadesh Peace Treaty in the Art & Culture section of Istanbul

Hi Barış, thanks for adding the information, but I noticed I made an error while writing it: The Battle of Kadesh was indeed fought between Rameses II and Muwatalli II, but the "Kadesh Peace Treaty" was signed in 1258 BC between Rameses II and Hattusili III, the successor of Muwatalli II (Hattusili III was also the most prominent Hittite general in that battle, before becoming the new Hittite king).

Can you please correct the error (by substituting Muwatalli II with Hattusili III, and adding 1258 BC as the date of the peace treaty?) If you want (believe it's worth mentioning), you can also add the fact that a giant poster of this tablet (treaty) is on the wall of the United Nations HQ in New York City.

Regards. 151.38.182.216 01:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ottoman Turkish

Hi,

For Ottoman Turkish, I don't know which template is used. About that two edits ( ) they are the correct spelling ("second" is written as "ثانی"). About "تذكرة الشعرا", the letters "ة" and "ه" are two different variations of one Arabic letter. At the end of words, "ه" is used (which is pronounced as "e") and in the middle of compound words, "ة" is used (which is pronounced as "et"). Jahangard 06:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Russia project

Please do not remove Russia project banners, as you did here, here, here and here. Thank you very much. Errabee 10:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Some time ago, we tried to persuade the Russian history people to reform themselves into a workgroup of WikiProject Russia, but they wouldn't have it. As the WikiProject Russia has a bigger scope, it naturally has to include everything they have tagged. Otherwise our project would be incomplete. But I agree 100% with you that this is an odd situation. Errabee 21:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Images

Ah, my favorite photo disappeared (Istiklal Avenue from above, with theatre festival banners) but those dervishes are still there? I'll try to help with the photo situation. Atilim Gunes Baydin 10:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Category:Kurdistan

An arbitration case involving you has been filed. Feel free to comment there. -- Cat ^chi? 13:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Private Sözlük

selam. Private Sözlük başlığı için ne çeşit bir temizlik yapılabilir ki? zaten içerisinde gereksiz ve çöp bilgi/yazı yok. genel olarak sözlük tanıtılıyor. ayrıca wikify yapmak ne demek? Biraz bahsedebilir misin??

Moving Denial of the Armenian Genocide

I have suggested that Denial of the Armenian Genocide should be moved to Denial of the Armenian Genocide allegations. I assume that you would be interested in the debate and would like to submit your opinion on the proposal. See: Denial of the Armenian Genocide (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)--Scientia Potentia 16:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of what you would prefer, Baristarim, my comment stands. "There are users in that page who consistently try to shut up every user who comes wondering about the genocidal nature of events" -- They should shut up, because our job is to edit, not to wonder, and such wondering has no place in articles, or in article talk pages, which are solely for improving articles, not for debates about the subject of articles that are a huge drain on editors that are actually trying to follow Wikipedia's WP:NOR and WP:NPOV policies. -- Jibal 06:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

If you go back and read what I wrote, it was "you folks" -- I wasn't singling you out, but you took it personally, complaining "I would appreciate if you didn't refer to my comments ...", and wasting both our time. I see that in your latest contrib there you discontinued the debate -- I applaud. -- Jibal 06:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, in re "the improvements that an editor can bring to an article is inevitably influenced by his/her opinions" ... I've written elsewhere that it would be better if people stayed away from pages where they have strong opinions about the subject, but far too many people are bent on manifesting their ideology through their editing. That's why I say "leave your ideologies at home". -- Jibal 06:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your civility. Cheers and have a nice day yourself! -- Jibal 06:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

P.S. On my talk page you wrote "Holocaust deniers deny outright that any Jews died", after I already corrected you on that false statement in my original response to you -- that I don't appreciate. Please take a look at Holocaust Denial to see what holocaust deniers really do, and please stop repeating this erroneous absolutist claim -- if you want to support some distinction between Holocaust denial and denial of Armenian Genocide (or whatever you wish to call it), you need to find other grounds. -- Jibal 06:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

"the tyranny of the words" -- yes, I agree completely. People tend to operate on the symbols rather than the realities that they represent; group nouns are particularly pernicious. -- Jibal 07:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:Aegean Sea

As I've mentioned in the discussion in WP:TFD, I've created a sample template that may very well substitute the current template. You can find it here: User:Kimon/Aegean Sea. Let me know what you think. (I posted to your talk page directly as you were the nominator). Thanks! --Kimon^talk 17:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Additional information for the Religion section of Istanbul

The existing paragraphs are in "italic", the additional information to be placed between them is in "bold":

Following the Turkish conquest of Constantinople in 1453, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II established the Millet System, according to which the different ethnic groups within Constantinople and the rest of the Ottoman Empire were to be governed by a group of institutions based on faith. For this purpose, Mehmed II also founded previously non-existant religious authorities such as the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople in 1461. Earlier, the Byzantines considered the Armenian Church as heretic and did not allow the Armenians to have churches inside the walls of Constantinople. Several Armenian saints, such as Saint Narses, were exiled and imprisoned in the Princes' Islands near Constantinople, in the Sea of Marmara. With the Millet System, a great deal of the internal affairs regarding these communities were assigned to the administration of these religious authorities; such as the Ecumenical Patriarchate for the affairs of all Orthodox Christians, the Armenian Patriarchate for the affairs of the Armenian (and for some time also the Syriac) Christians, and later the Grand Rabbi for the affairs of the Jews.

The population of the Armenian and Greek minorities in Istanbul greatly declined beginning in the late 19th century. The city's Greek Orthodox communtiy were exempted from the population exchange between Greece and Turkey of 1923. However, a series of special restrictions and taxes beginning in the 1930s (see, e.g., Varlık Vergisi), finally culminating in the Istanbul Pogrom of 1955, greatly increased emigration, and in 1964, all Greeks without Turkish citizenship residing in Turkey (around 100,000) were deported. Today, most of Turkey's remaining Greek and Armenian minorities live in or near Istanbul. Beside the Levantines, who are the descendants of European traders (mostly Genoese, Venetian and French) who established trading outposts during the Byzantine and Ottoman periods, there is also a small, scattered number of Bosphorus Germans. A number of places reflect past movements of different communities into Istanbul, most notably Arnavutköy (Albanian village), Polonezköy (Polish village) and Yeni Bosna (New Bosnia).

During the Byzantine period, the Genoese Podestà ruled over the Italian community of Galata, which was mostly made up of the Genoese, Venetians, Tuscans and Ragusans. Following the Turkish siege of Constantinople in 1453, during which the Genoese sided with the Byzantines and defended the city together with them, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II allowed the Genoese (who had fled to their colonies in the Aegean Sea such as Lesbos and Chios) to return back to the city, but Galata was no longer run by a Genoese Podestà. Venice, Genoa's archrival, did not miss the opportunity to regain control in the strategic citadel of Galata (Pera), which they were forced to leave in 1261 when the Byzantines retook Constantinople and brought an end to the Latin Empire (1204-1261) that was established by Enrico Dandolo, the Doge of Venice. The Republic of Venice immediately established political and commercial ties with the Ottoman Empire, and a Venetian Baylo (Bailiff) was sent to Pera as a political and commercial ambassador, similar to the role of the Genoese Podestà during the Byzantine period. The Venetians sent Gentile Bellini to Constantinople, who crafted the famous portrait of Sultan Mehmed II, which is found today in the National Portrait Gallery of London. It was also the Venetians who suggested Leonardo da Vinci to Bayezid II when the Sultan mentioned his intention to construct a bridge over the Golden Horn, and Leonardo designed his Galata Bridge in 1502, the sketches and drawings of which are located today in the Museo Nazionale della Scienza e della Tecnologia of Milan. The Baylo's seat was the Venetian Palace, currently the Italian Consulate (and formerly the Italian Embassy until 1923, when Ankara became the new Turkish capital). The Turkish name of Pera, Beyoğlu, comes from the Turkicized form of Baylo, whose palace was the most grandiose structure in this quarter. The name originates from Bey Oğlu (literally Son of Governor) and was particularly used by the Turks to describe Luigi Giritti, son of Andrea Giritti, the Venetian Baylo during the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent^[1]. The Ottoman Empire had an interesting relationship with the Republic of Venice. Even though the two states often went to war over the control of East Mediterranean territories and islands, they were keen on restoring their trade pacts once the wars were over, such as the renewed trade pacts of 1479, 1503, 1522, 1540 and 1575 following major sea wars between the two sides. The Venetians were also the first Europeans to taste Ottoman delicacies such as coffee, centuries before other Europeans saw coffee beans for the first time in their lives during the Battle of Vienna in 1683. These encounters can be described as the beginning of today's rich "coffee culture" in both Venice (and later the rest of Italy) and Vienna.

The Sephardic Jews have lived in the city for over 500 years, see the history of the Jews in Turkey. Together with the Arabs, the Sephardic Jews fled the Iberian Peninsula during the Spanish Inquisition of 1492, when they were forced to convert to Christianity after the fall of the Moorish Kingdom of Andalucia. The Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II (1481-1512) sent a sizeable fleet to Spain under the command of Kemal Reis in order to save the Arabs and Sephardic Jews who were tortured and killed because of their faith. More than 200,000 Spanish Jews fled first to Tangier, Algiers, Genova and Marseille, later to Salonica and finally to Istanbul. The Sultan granted Ottoman citizenship to over 93,000 of these Spanish Jews. Another large group of Sephardic Jews came from southern Italy which was under Spanish control. The İtalyan Sinagogu (Italian Synagogue) in Galata is mostly frequented by the descendants of these Italian Jews in Istanbul. The Sephardic Jews of Iberia and Italy contributed much to the rising power of the Ottoman Empire by introducing new ideas, methods and craftsmanship. The first Gutenberg press in Istanbul was established by the Sephardic Jews in 1493, who excelled in many areas, particularly medicine, trade and banking. The Camondo family was highly influential in the Ottoman banking sector. The famous Camondo Stairs on the Bankalar Caddesi (Banks Street) in Karaköy (Galata) was built by them. More than 20,000 Sephardic Jews still remain in Istanbul today.

There is also a relatively smaller and more recent community of Ashkenazi Jews in Istanbul who continue to live in the city since the 19th century. The Avusturya Sinagogu (Austrian Synagogue), also known as the Aşkenaz (Askhenazi) Sinagogu is one of the most famous synagogues in Istanbul and stands out with its interesting architecture. A second large wave of Ashkenazi Jews came to Istanbul during the 1930s and 1940s following the rise of Nazism in Germany which persecuted the Ashkenazi Jews of central and eastern Europe.

Today, a total of 26 active synagogues are to be found in the city, the most important of them being the Neve Shalom Synagogue inaugurated in 1951, in the Beyoğlu quarter. The Turkish Grand Rabbi in Istanbul (currently Ishak Haleva) presides over community affairs. A decrease in the population of the city's Jewish community occurred after the independence of the State of Israel in 1948, but the Turkish Jews who migrated to that country helped to establish strong relationships between Turkey and Israel. The founders of the State of Israel, and prominent Israeli politicians, such as David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi and Moshe Shertok had all studied in the leading Turkish schools of Istanbul in their youth, namely Galatasaray Lisesi and Istanbul University.

Like in other information, I wrote them all myself. They are completely my own sentences (no plagiarism).

Grazie mille :) 151.37.178.39 21:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I added it already :)

Re:

I messed up big time lol, those were categories not stub categories but I reverted my edits. Lakers 01:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't find that funny how he said that by the way not sure which part is funny, thats gaming. Lakers 10:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I have a sense humor but I'm still kind of confused lol. Well reverting and saying comments like that are gaming he shouldn't do things like that in the future because it can get him blocked. Plus I've seen his edits they are very bias all he does is remove anything that has nothing to do with Turkey, while your edits are okay and Ozguz is probably the most POV pusher I have seen yet. So that is why I don't find it funny because of his edits probably Its kind of impressing, that no one says anything. Lakers 10:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Check your mail. Lakers 10:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Büyük İzmir Yangını

I think you missed the worst one:

Alexius they are not supported by any scholarly research. The Turkish bastards are supported by the NPOV policy which means that any Turkish act that portrays them in a bad light is not neutral and the sources are therefore biased. Please notice that the article on the Armenian genocide has to be blocked from editing (its history shows that even this widely acknowledged event was disputed by the Turkish editors). Lets hope this fascist nation stays out of Europe. --Tedblack 14:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

He was blocked for that. Yeah, I was disgusted as well by those comments. I didn't understand why Hectorian said all that. Anyways, I've archived everything. I think another problem is the article itself; some of the content should be moved to Wikisource, while the article in general needs a rewrite. I don't think ArbCom is needed at this point (that's usually the last resort when all other attempts at mediation have failed), but hopefully the archiving should work. Ciao, Khoikhoi 03:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, thanks for your response. :-) Khoikhoi 05:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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Merhaba

Merhaba Nasılsınız?

İyiyim, teşekkür ederim.

Turkey

Whatever the checkusers did, it seems to have stopped Ararat arev. So please edit away! Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't be sorry, you did a great job! I'm just glad they won't have to be protected anymore, and that you brought it to ANI so it could be taken care of. If you see any more obvious sock accounts or IPs of Ararat arev, just report them directly to WP:AIV as the sock of a banned user-in that case there's no need to go through the standard warning procedures. Do let me know as well, if it gets too disruptive again, another checkuser can be requested. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's keeping on with it, but it is being dealt with. In the meantime, if you need an edit done while the page is protected, just let me know and I'll be happy to make it. This will get solved, admins are ultimately around so that good editors can work in peace. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Turkish diplomatic missions

Hi Barış - good to see your contribution to the diplomatic missions by country articles. Could I ask you to use the same formatting as other articles when you have listed the other missions? Turkey just opened its new embassy here in Canberra. I will see if there is a photo on WikiCommons that you can use. Thanks,

Kransky 12:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool - although at this moment I am trying to develop some kind of consistency with the articles, in terms of structure, naming conventions etc. Good luck Kransky 12:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Domitius

Can we block user:Domitius from editing Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey?? Or can we somehow ask another admin to see how he is trolling? Korrybean 19:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

WPTR

Sure I tried rating accurately you can fix my mistakes if you wish I'll join it now, but I'm going to sign off soon, cheers. Lakers 05:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I have nausea after all that Assessing lol, I'll do more tomorrow almost done with the whole thing :-) Lakers 05:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes there are many amazing articles that need to be worked on. There is so many unique articles not like other projects that need to be expanded, hopefully we can make announcements and start editing. Lakers 05:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Selam kardes, bana guzel bi mesaj atmisin, katilmak cok isterim projemize, fakat Wikipedia konusunda cok bilgili degilim, bu sebeple yardiminiza siginiyorum, hatta buraya mesaj birakmam dogru mu bile bilmiyorum. En yakin zamanda bana ulasip yol gosterebilir ve projenize beni dahil edebilirseniz mesut bahtiyar olurum. --Eae1983 05:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Istanbul userboxes

Baris, thanks a lot for the userboxes. I hope we will be be able to decide on creating an Istanbul template soon. Anyway, if you want to, we may add 'the Turk' after tomorrow, after it's featured, to the project, and improve on it. Let's not add it for now. deniz^T_C 08:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle Eastern American

FYI, you voted twice. :-) Khoikhoi 09:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Armenia

Baris, just to let you know, I've added the WikiProject Armenia userbox to your user page, as you are a member. -- Aivazovsky 16:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I want to ask this same for Kurdistan Project.!. --Bohater 21:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't like the tone here, whether Aivazovsky previously edited or Bohater's above comment. I will revert his userpage to his prior version. You can not dictate other user's pages, I don't think he has given you such freedom. It is called manners, stick to it.--Doktor Gonzo 21:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, then maybe you can explain to me why User:Denizz User:Free smyrnan placed a WPTR userbox on User:AdilBaguirov's page ? It's essentially the same thing, if you ask me. -- Aivazovsky 22:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not user User:Denizz, that is someone else. It was me that placed that userbox, along with everybody else that was in the project members list, after which I pointed the project members list to be simply the category. I don't see the problem here either. Baris is a member of WPAM. --Free smyrnan 23:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I see... I didn't know that and certainly meant no offense. The category however, I think makes much more sense than a static participants' list that goes dead after a while. --Free smyrnan 00:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It is getting crowdy here. You have nothing to explain Free smyrnan. It is irrelevant to this case, I am not concerned by every edit that's made on Wikipedia. Besides I don't remember you questioning people for not having WP Turkey tags on their userpage.--Doktor Gonzo 00:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Aivazovsky, once again, you are dictating his userpage, I am only protecting his prior version. You are getting into an edit-war for this while you could simply wait for Baris to return and decide for himself. Nothing you wrote above makes sense, the part which is offensive towards me will be reported.--Doktor Gonzo 00:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

For God's sake, if Baris is uncomfortable with a userbox, he can revert it himself. BTW, I figured I might as well join WPAM and added the userbox :) --Free smyrnan 00:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

He first questions him why he doesn't have the tag then adds it himself. In my book that's ill manner. Anyway, I am not going to lose sleep over it, my main problem is with his previous comment which he later removed. And I am glad this discussion laid the path to your WPAM membership, FS.--Doktor Gonzo 00:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Gonzo, I have apologized for my behavior (a full apology can be found on your talk page). I was just really stressed out last night and I was acting completely out of line. I ask that you forgive my actions. -- Aivazovsky 14:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

NPWatcher

I've read on Martinp23's talk page that you want to be approved for NPWatcher. Well, please file an ordinary application at NPWatcher's Checkpage and we can deal with it. Thank you. Snowolf ^(talk) _CON ^COI - 09:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: AFD

I saw no consensus. You're welcome to take it to Deletion review. John Reaves (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

No worries. John Reaves (talk) 17:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher Application

Dear Baristarim,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

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invitation

Eline sağlık, nezamandır aklımdaydı, benden önce davrandın vede düşündüğümden güzel olmuş.Must.^{T C} 13:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Info

Did you know about this? Baristarim 13:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, would you care to create a request on WP:RFCU? That user does have a history of sockpuppets. -- Cat ^chi? 13:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio

Hi; if you are going to flag an article as {{db-copyvio}}, it helps if you follow wiki procedure and include in your nomination the web page address which is being copied.--Anthony.bradbury 14:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Baristarim! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Ale_Jrb^talk 14:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

checkuser

Barış, checkuser kullansana, öyle herkesi hemen suçlama bence. Bir de o kaynak kitap gelecek yakinda bana, yanlışlık var mı bakarım, emin olalım. deniz^T_C 15:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Barış, şuraya da bakarmısın? User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise#InfoMust.^{T C} 15:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Teşekkür ederim Barış:) Bir de şu Türkiye-Ermenistan ilişkilerini düzene koyduk mu şikayetim kalmayacak:) Birisi "it's simple, there is no relationship" yazmış ama WP:BLATTY'den silinmiş. Ah damar ah! Cretanforever 16:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hebele

By the way, I was thinking that maybe you would like to get involved with Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey - we need all the help that we can get! There you can also find and contact users who are trying to improve Turkey-related articles. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Baristarim 07:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey'e katılmak isterim. yalnız ekim ayına kadar çok yoğun olduğum için o zamana kadar fazla katkı yapamam. ama ekim ayında sonra projeye her şekilde katkım olabilir.

WikiProject Turkey yazısını "user page"ime ekledim:)) herhalde projeye katılmam için yeterli olmuştur.

Tamam. yardımın için teşekkürler:)

Celaloglan

Thank you for the warm Welcome!

Celaloglan 06:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Turkey articles

They have been all assessed!!! the greatest day. -Lakers^Talk 08:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! -Lakers^Talk 22:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. -Lakers^Talk 01:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

khoi

khoi is a man who edits without debating. A true racist, he always want to see something against Turkey in every Turkey related topic. Im sure he also supports PKK, the terrorist organization, in his real life, according to his entries in wikipedia about terrorism against Turkey related topics.

Racists deserve to be banned.. too sad, wikipedia is too free that you may rape another ones freedom using that free society and nobody does anything to stop you.

Hail freedom which lets you rape freedom in cyber area. No arrest, no identities. Hail khoi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lardayn (talk • contribs) 11:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

Shuppiluliuma socks

Baris, I'll very much appreciate if you would refrain from aiding and abetting Shuppiluliuma in his sockpuppeting and image copyright violations. I at first thought I'd tolerate his latest sock "Nazim Hikmet", but he's taken to re-uploading the exact same images again, and from your conversations I take it you have been silently assisting him in this. Don't do that, or you run the risk of ending up blocked yourself. Thank you, Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Fatima Whitbread

Excuse me! How offensive! It wasn't nonsense at all! If you google Fatima Whitbread you'll see the evidence, thank you very much (written by Whitbread herself)! I'm reverting it again.

81.110.77.105 (Cypriot stud)

Millennia

Thanks for enlightening me but I remember some site giving me the definition that way; how millennia is the Latin word for Millenium. But yes, if you're sure then fine. Ozgur Gerilla 01:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar!

Wow, a barnstar, that's refreshing. Tesekkur ederim, Baris, I appreciate it a lot. :-) Now if you'll excuse me, I'll have to go find a place for this in my user page. Hysterical laugh. —Anas ^talk? 01:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

e-posta

Kontrol edermisin.Selam.Must.^{T C} 08:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Yongala, South Australia

Hi Baristarim,

I note that you have nominated Yongala, South Australia from speedy deletion under CSD A7. It is my understanding that any town, village etc. is notable by virtue of its existence and therefore this article does not meet this criteria. While there is limited context in the article at present, it has been adopted by WP:AUSTPLACES and will be improved reasonably quickly. I would ask that you reconsider this nomination, or if still not convinced, then at least take it to AfD. Thanks, --Mattinbgn/ ^talk 08:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. Cheers,--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 08:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

need a review

Merhaba.. :) i've written an article and I would greatly appreciate if you could have a look at it and tell me if it's ok to publish it or not. Hadi Elazzi. I want to be sure that a "not notable" tag won't immediately be put on it as soon as it gets into Wikipedia namespace... I did my best to do the referencing. What do you think. simdidien cok sagol :) --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 17:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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Trabzonspor futbolcu resimleri

Selamlar. Türkçe Wikipedia'da CC by-sa lisansını kullanarak Trabzonspor.org.tr den alınan resimleri kullanabildiğim için aynı şeyi ingilizce wikipedia'da da kullanabilirim diye düşündüm acaba kullanamazmıyım? StANDby007 09:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Regarding TMT

Please protect this and this. Previous versions are obviously POV unless someone cites sources; they clearly suggest TMT has a Pan-Turkist goal and a connection with Grey Wolves. We know the Gray Wolf is a mythological figure; its under nobody's copyright.

Besides, according to both articles, TMT was found years before the Grey Wolves so a Grey Wolves influence is apperantly none. Regards.--Doktor Gonzo 16:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Ordu

No, they're not acceptable statements. I've given him warnings. If he persists, please report him to WP:AN/I. I have to go now. Khoikhoi 19:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

watch 3RR

I am here.Must.^{T C} 21:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that you are the one reverting all of my edits without any reason whatsoever. You only mentioned a reason for one of the edits and even that one you could have corrected rather than erasing. I have since corrected it to use the wording that you advised. I appreciate your correction. Thanks Parmaestro 01:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Georgia

Alright thanks. Next time I will just emphasize on impoving he section rather than reverting it all backSosoMK 01:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:Bedros Kapamajian

Well, the guy couldn't have been just made-up. There has to be some truth to the information on the article. I think we need to look into this further. I think I should just drop my proposed AfD though - I don't think that will help the situation. -- Aivazovsky 11:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks

for the welcome.--EOKA-Assasin 16:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Turkish Straits

Hi, I hope you don't mind my rewriting of the Turkish Straits page. I think it wasn't really a dab page. When somebody says "Turkish Straits", they don't mean to refer to either the Bosporus or the Dardanelles, so there's no need to sort that out for them; they refer to both together. I've turned it into something more like a summary page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Please take a look;hereMust.^{T C} 09:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Interesting note

Are these the ones who repeatedly vandalized Turkey? I was actually suspecting Artaxiad for that. Anyway it gives you an idea what we are dealing with here.--Doktor Gonzo 13:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Greek refugees

Hello Baris. Hope u are doing fine. I've removed your request for citation from this article. Mainly, cause i am not sure what citation are u asking for there... The term "Greek refugees" may well mean in English the Greeks from Miletus prior to the Persian siege, the Greeks fleeing in W. Europe after the Fall of Constantinople, or even the Greek Cypriots from the north after 1974, the Greeks from Northern Epirus or the former USSR after 1991, etc. However, mainly in Greek, but also in English historiography, The (Greek) Refugees were those of 1923, due to their numbers, their fate and background, as well as their influence in the Greek economy, society and history. If we are about to add chonological limitations on everything, we should do the same for many other articles; using your homeland as an example, i could say that since the word "(T)turkey" in english usage is not established to mean only the modern state of Turkey, there should be a disambiguition page for the bird, the state and the empire (since this is how it was known in its time). I do not think that keeping the current title in the article is much of a problem... Let me know if our opinions differ. Regards Hectorian 00:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It can also mean refugees from the Greek Civil War, however these are usually referred to as "political refugees" and their number and significance can not even be compared with the refugees from Asia Minor. This is what i am saying: there were many groups of Greek refugees during times, but only for them the term "Greek refugees" is used like that. Hectorian 01:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

TRNC

Hi Baris. I don't understand why you are opposing any edits to the page. You are reverting everything without giving any reason rather than just striking that which you don't agree with. I also don't understand why you asked for me to blocked when you know that I had stopped editing the page. I'm trying to be constructive and you seem to be taking a very defensive, if not offensive position for some reason. I hope I am wrong about that. Parmaestro 01:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Cough cough :) Both an admin and me reverted you, and explained what the issue was - but you insisted on adding unsourced information to five places in the article without explaing the reason in the edit summaries. That's all, no defensive/offensive issue - that particular point was talked to death in the talk pages.. Baristarim 01:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

91.12.107.129 (talk · contribs)

Blocked for 48 hours, not the usual 24, for racist attacks. You obviously know what he said - Alison^☺ 05:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Etc.

Please feel free to take it to WP:RM and start a survey. - Francis Tyers · 11:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

What should I revert and what should I keep? - Francis Tyers · 13:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Armenian army I think obsolete.Must.^{T C} 12:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Diplomatic missions by country (DMBC)

I note that you have written for this category. If you would like to discuss developing a common template, please go to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Foreign_relations#original_council_proposal_discussion_for_Foreign_relations Kransky 15:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you please rewrite Turkish diplomatic missions to fit in with the same style as other diplomatic missions by country articles. Kransky 10:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Öküzgözü

Hi Baris, I have created a page for öküzgözü. Please check it out whenever you have time. Regards, Celaloglan 00:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC) Thank you Celaloglan 05:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

PKK/Turkey

I tried Casualties of the Turkey-PKK conflict (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for name of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Turkish-Kurdish_conflict. Now, OttomanRefence is trying.

Khoikhoi did not accept it. Khoi said that Uğur Kaymaz was a civilian Kurdish, he was killed, so it is not only PKK-Turkey conflict. But, current name Turkish-Kurdish conflict is wrong because that there is no ethnic conflict. There is a problem related to ethnic Kurdish problem but it is not directly an ethnic war. I asked the naming dispute to R.Cakır, and he said that "I think that "Turkish-Kurdish conflict" is not a good idea because it refers to some kind of civil war that does not exist yet. I would prefer 'Kurdish question (or problem, or maybe conflict) in Turkey' or Turkey's Kurdish question'. But, Khoi did not like the name because according to him not only Kurds are responsible for the conflict. He said that he would think about the name, but no suggestions came form him! I searched on the Internet, and found an article by Koç University academician Somer: "People seem to instinctively understand and fear that this time such a path may lead to a Turkish-Kurdish conflict, i.e. not only a conflict between the state and Kurdish separatists as the conflict previously was, but which involves ordinary people". from http://www.turkishpolicy.com/default.asp?show=fall_2006_somer That would be another nominee for the name: "Turkish state- Kurdish separatists conflict". Is "Turkish state - Kurdish separatists conflict" good?

If there is a voting, we should make a consensus. Any name other than current name is more suitable. But, at the last vote, people who are against the current name gave votes to different names so article's name did not change, since there were no consensus. We should refrain from this in a survey.

Turkish Constitution of 1961

I saw that you linked to Turkish Constitution of 1961, which I have recently created. I thought of a better start, but was bored typing the articles one by one (first ten only). Anyway, since it was on your list, I thought you would wish to be informed (and would like to improve the article:)). --Scientia Potentia 16:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I will take a look. Baristarim 03:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I see. In fact, I also realized how hard it was to write an article on the constitution. My reasoning was to copy the major articles and write a commentary on and/or comparison with the former constitution, but it's too hard to find English sources on the issue. Moving the text to commons is logical (I couldn't think of that), but since this text is a translation by someone (not the government as far as I know), copyright issues could arise. Maybe, we can copy the Turkish text, and first ten articles in English too, to commons. I added some resources to talk page, not great ones though. If you have time in the future, you may take a look. Bye!--Scientia Potentia 08:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes. (I enabled it now.) Why?--Scientia Potentia 14:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Conerning..

..the maps for the districts of Syria, question. Should I get Rarelibra source maps or will he know how to find his own, especially that many maps are in Arabic. I'm just wondering because I haven't found any. :-/ We'll need 13 maps similar to those he's made for Turkey's districts. I think this should be good enough to make something like Turkey's complicated districts template. Regards, Anas ^talk? 17:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand you must be swamped, but I will still appreciate a reply whenever you're free (take your time). Cheers! —Anas ^talk? 13:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Post reverts

I responded to your query on my talk page. --Iamunknown 02:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok Baristarim 03:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Reporting

You are destroying the article with your nationalism, the theory is not a legend but as a poor member of wiki you must have it listed under that list. Secondly you are trying to include the turkish migration even though it has nothing to do with the byzantium sub text and is a shallow attemp at a strange form of nationalism it has nothing to do witht he theory, sorry. I am now reporting you as I am sure you will not revert your edits just so you have time to form an arguement in your defence.

Reaper7 02:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Okkayy. Well, we went over this before in your talk page, and you can report me where you see fit - nevertheless just know that there isn't anything to be "reported". I changed the subsection title to theories and legends - don't forget Isis and Babylon existed long before Macedonian invasions. Cheers! Baristarim 03:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

No one is saying they didn't - HAHAHAHA, it is just just as the Greeks passed through these regions so did the Turks, so IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE BYZANTIUM SECTION. It seems hard for you to understand this section is under a bullet point of 4 legends, but that is now for the mediation team. Reaper7 03:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the article needs work anyways, I will give you that as I said.. Baristarim 03:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

wikiproject Turkey

What can I do for wikiproject Turkey? Ne katkım olabilir? Pek anlayamadım da. Şimdiden teşekkürler.--F.Mehmet 06:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

My talk pages

Hello Baris, I have seen your edits as well as two other users' in my talk pages. Isn't it forbidden to revert/delete material from talk pages? Why Iamunknown kept deleting them? I don't understand... Thanks Caglarkoca 09:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Anyone can edit any (unportected) page, including the user pages as far as I know. Iamunknown did that on my userpage as well, I personally reverted, asking him not to delete material on my talk page, but again, anyone can edit any page if s/he wishes. There are common anti-vandalism rules. deniz^T_C 11:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

You have been blocked for 48 hours due to continued edit-warring. Cbrown1023 talk 00:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

I was apparently blocked for edit-warring without any prior warnings - just the small line above. I did three reverts in one article, no gaming the system, no three reverts per day for a week - they were my only edits on that page for the last month. I explained myself using the edit summaries, left a note on the talk page of the user involved to raise the issue. I was blocked following this thread by Dmcdevit User_talk:Cbrown1023/Archive_7#Protection_issues and this issue was apparently discussied in "IRC" - I don't want to get into the transparency issues of such talks, but this whole thing was based on a very skewed analysis. Dmcdevit claimed that "I had prior for edit-warring" - my only block was three months ago, by Dmcdevit among my 27k+ edits. If my blocklog is checked it will become obvious that I am on his "blacklist" of some sorts in complete violation of WP:AGF - he blocked me for 24h two months ago under the pretense that I broke 3RR, whereas I was reverting a vandal - he acknowledged this later on. This time, maybe so as not to be seen as having such a blacklist, he asked a completely unrelated administrator to do the block for him citing that "I have priors". There is no such evidence, I always try to seek concensus and explain myself, and have been trying to track down many sockpuppets who have been attacking those pages (see RFCU/Artaxiad) and try to seek the involvement of the community using the relevant pages. I would like to be unblocked as I am not some sort of warmonger, I have always engaged in discussions with other editors, always used the talk pages and edit summaries without doing blind reverts, and when I will be unblocked I will raise this problem of "Dmcdevit-method" which is in violation of WP:AGF to the AN/I, as was pointed out here WP:AN#Global_Warming_Dmcdevit_method and which led to the criticism of many other editors and admins - at the very least, there was absolutely no indication or warning to anyone that the article had suddenly come under such a "régime"

Decline reason:

Already unblocked by Cbrown1023. - auburnpilot talk 00:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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I would like to know under which Wikipedia rule this user has been blocked. NikoSilver 20:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Y

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): I've already unblocked you and contacted you via e-mail. Technically, a past block is a warning, but I still stand by my unblock. Please also note that not even users with "27k+ edtis" are immune from 3RR blocking, User:Raul654 was blocked just the other day for this type of behavior. Raul is an admin and one of the most experienced and trustworthy (and best) users here. Cbrown1023 talk 20:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC) Request handled by: Cbrown1023 talk 20:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Had User:Baristarim violated the 3R rule when you first blocked him? You did not mention such a reasoning in your initial block-edit above, where you vaguely spoke about "edit-warring". Am I missing something here?--Yannismarou 21:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I was also suprised. CanbekEsen 21:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

This is all for him, not you, I have e-mailed him with more information. If you feel I must explain myself further, please do ask. Cbrown1023 talk 00:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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Democratic Society Party

Hey Barış,

I do not understand your problem in labelling DTP as social democratic. They are an observer party to the Socialist International, which means that they them selves consider them so, and that this view is accepted by the international social democratic organisation. Their logo is even the rose, traditionally used by social democratic parties around the world. Care to explain? Bertilvidet 11:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Baris Tarim, firstly, I have added insightful information to the page titled "List of replaced loanwords in Turkish", but it has been deleted because 'most of the forms I listed as Farsi were actually Arabic' (even though they were not, I study the Persian language thoroughly). Secondly, on the page titled "Diyarbakir", the etymology of the word is 'Diyaar-e Bekr' from Farsi. Yes, it was used in the Ottoman language as well, but it originally came from Farsi into Ottoman Turkish. Thirdly, on the page titled "Eskisehir", I had added to the etymology section that '-sehir' is a direct borrowing of the Farsi word '-Shahr', meaning 'city'; but this, of course, was deleted as well. It is not coincidence that every single time, and I do not mean this in a derogatory or offensive way, a Turkish username has deleted. Please keep Turkish nationalism out of Wikipedia so we can minimize the bias and write factual, and truthful information.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagrationi (talk • contribs)

Funny, User:Saposcat who reverted you at the other page is not even Turkish :) Please watch for WP:CIVIL, you definitely are a sockpuppet of a banned user, so please don't push it. Baristarim 14:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what a sock-puppet is, and I assure you I am not a previously-banned user. Please listen to my comments. -Bagrationi

Yeminet!...Must.^{T C} 15:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't need anything, I just want to make sure that you see that I wrote something to you. Also, do you understand what I am saying about the edited pages? I am editing them from a 'neutral' point of view, but it just so happens that the extent of my knowledge is vaster in the Persian language than most other subjects, which is why I edit pages with it. Do you agree or disagree with me that some forms that were deleted were actually valid facts that were deleted out of spite and nationalism (again, I do not mean to be offensive).- Bagrationi

rv war

Please take a look;Tehcir LawMust.^{T C} 15:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Context is everything

I'm extremely sorry that you chose to take action rather than ask me to clarify first. Briefly, the flag of Palestine is not offensive, in and of itself. It's Saintrotter's placement of it as deliberate trolling that earned his block, and the removal of the flag.

I'm composing a reply on WP:AN/I. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Replied. Looks like others have beaten me to it, however. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, being accused of 'hate speech' is probably the single most offensive thing ever said about me on Wikipedia. That's quite an accomplishment, given that I've been an admin for two years now. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I accept your apology. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Flags.

Note that I removed neither the flag itself nor the name of the location, merely what I understood as purely political commentary . -- Avi 16:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

ingilizcem

sayfama msj atmışsınız ama ben ingilizce bilmniyorum:d türkçe yazarmısınız.--Uannis 20:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Check out Ottoman Greece

Ottoman Greece - I made a suggestion there on the talk page, don't you think it would be better if this were adopted and we could deal with geographical articles individually?--NeroDrusus 06:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Manythings

• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Turkey#Newly_created_articles about XX Province, Ott.Emp.
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Artaxiad about socks.
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Bohater I posted.
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruption about me
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:AshkaniI posted against above.
• Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard#User:Makalp see my reply.
• I will be in holiday for 10 days.

Regards.Must.^{T C} 20:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Barış, I respect you as an editor and think very highly of you, but do you remember that anon (58.147.4.20) who was reverting all of your edits? Please be very careful to not the same sort of thing (, , , , , ) to other users. I've had the same thing happen to me before, and it can be very frustrating. If you have issues with their edits, please try discussing it rather than mass-reverting him. The results will probably be better. Ciao. Khoikhoi 04:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Photos

Kardeş bu Trabzonsporlu futbolculara ait resimlerin lisansları hakkında bir gelişme varmı? yani Türkçe vikipedi de kullanılabiliyorsak ingilizce dede sorunsuzca kullanmamız gerek ama hala bana lisans konusunda mesajlar geliyor anlamadım... StANDby007 14:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Some questions

Two weeks ago I put some questions to you on my talk page that obviously slipped your attention. May I repeat and revise some of them? To my mind the page on the Turkish Language Act Ban should be suggested for deletion (but I don't know how to do it). The author omits that the ban only existed between 1983 and 1991. The title is misleading. If the ban on the Kurdish language is intended to be the subject the official term of ban of languages other than Turkish should be used and the whole affair should cover education and broadcasting in the mother tongue and the ban of Kurdish in various laws such as the Law on Political Parties.

You said something on the talk page of Osman Baydemir concerning the use of the letter "w". I feel that something more specific should be said about it which could be related to the page on Human Rights in Turkey. To my mind this page is in a mess, too. The structure is bad and important parts such as torture and ill-treatment are missing. While you have an article on Article 301 (Turkish penal code) there seems to be nothing relating to the Turkish Penal Code see the Category on Turkish law vis-a-vis freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, freedom of assocation and freedom of religion as the points should have been named correctly on the human rights page.

How would you proceed? --Sc.helm 10:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 19:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Peace, I hope everything's going great out there, anyways I was going to have a question on the article Turkish War of Independence. Shouldn't the end of war date be Oct. 11, 1922 instead of Oct. 29, 1923? Oct. 11, 1922 is the day that the Armistice of Mudanya was signed and Oct. 23 1923 is the date that Turkey became a Republic. After the armistice was signed there has been no conflicts. So the war was cut. Oct 29 doesn't make sense with the war being ended. Even the Treaty of Lausanne that was signed on July 24, 1923 would point more because it had become definite with that date that the war ended. Happy editing and thanks for your help, Bahar (Spring in Turkish) ✍ 20:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC) Oh, by the way wouldn't you think of being an admin here? Do you know if there are any Turkish admins?

bogazkere

bogazkere saraplari icin bu referansi kullanabiliriz sanirim. http://www.hayyam.com/basin/sabah/bogazkere-saraplari.php Celaloglan 03:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Me Again..:)

Hey,

I guess I am done with the merging operation of Zile and Zela. I would like you to have a look at them and drop me a message about your opinions. If you say ok, I will redirect Zela to Zile.

See you,--Ugur Olgun 12:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

• As far as I know, you know how to speak French and I thought that you may help me. Please check out this link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bdwe9fhtbNoC&printsec=toc&dq=charles+texier#PPA1,M1

I would be very happy if you can read pages from 598 to end of 603. I guess I can find more references from there but I know nearly 0 French. :( Your help will be appreciated. --Ugur Olgun 12:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

GA for Music of Turkey

I just wanted to bring to your attention that I'm trying to get the article to conform to guidelines , please check the updates on the discussion page. Next step is to go over all audio samples in the article for details and fair use issues. 82.145.231.90 13:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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I noticed you created this page. I found another sock of this user: Flavius Belisarius, and opened a case for it here Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Shuppiluliuma (1st). I found this category after I opened the case, and since I'm in unfamilliar territory in correctly dealing with a sock, I would appreciate any help you might lend. Thanks! Hiberniantears 21:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Greco Turkish War

hi, can you come and check that article, Alexius started impose his point of views again..--laertes d 21:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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Kurdish Christians

You asked for a POV check for the Kurdish Christians article which was definiatly in order at that time. I believe the main problem with that article was refering to Chrisitans as "Folowers of Jesus" which i have removed and was wondering if the pov check banner was necasery anymore or if you had anymore objections. Look forward to hering your reply ChrisLamb 17:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Project European Union

Hello Baristarim, you are member of the project European Union. I try to create a new project page for the project. You can see it at here Because this should be the project page for all it´s members, please tell me, what you think about it. Please leave your comments on the talkpage of the project.--Thw1309 11:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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Harita Genel Müdürlügü

As the editor responsible for General Command of Mapping (Turkey) I was hopeing you could help me find more info on the Harita Genel Müdürlügü, so I may start an article on it. Is it the same organization as the General Command of Mapping? Are they related? Do you know where I can find more info on the Harita Genel Müdürlügü? Thanks! - Jirt 18:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

where are you

Can you please update us on what's going on with you now? You haven't been editing for months. Hopefully it is just from busy-ness. Deniz^T_C 19:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

request

arkadaşlar merhaba, şu sıralar wikideki ermeniler iyice azıtmış durumda, türkiye ve türkler hakkındaki tüm kaynakları referanslarıyla birlikte imha çabası içerisindeler. özellikle "Turkey", "Turkish People" ve "Turkic peoples " sayfaları ve bunlar ile bağlantılı sayfalar hiç olmadığı kadar tehdit altında, türkiyenin neredeyse tüm şehirlerinin sayfalarına kendi ulusal reklamlarını eklemek üzereler. bununlada yetineyip kendileriyle hiçbir alakası olmayan "tarihteki türk uygarlıkları" ile ilgili makalelere saldırma çirkinliğinide atlamıyorlar. lütfen aşşağıdaki bu ve bunun gibi wiki bağlantılarını kullanarak bu tehdite karşı koyalım. sayıları bizden çok daha az yeterki organize olalım. saygılar

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion
• Wikipedia:Requests for page protection
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism

--hakozen 01:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you muslim?

Are you a nominal muslim and defacto an atheist?222.225.109.44 01:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yasilova incident

Article needs some attention.--Doktor Gonzo 20:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The Ottoman warrior mentality of the Anatolian Greeks

I request your help to face a disgusting and offensive behaviour against we Turks from a nationalist Greek named Cplakidas in the article Greco-Italian War. He denies the evidence of scholars like the British Mack Smith (with precise book & page references) about the fact that the Greek army was able to stop temporarily the Italian army in Epirus because the soldiers were nearly one third (or more) Anatolian Greeks (moved to Greece after the 1922 exchange of populations) who had the warrior mentality of Ottomans. That is the reason the Greeks fought bravely and not like "a bit coward" Balkan Greeks, as they have always done. And this is confirmed indirectly by the same Churchill who compared the Greek resistance in Epirus to the one of our glorious soldiers in the Dardanelles during WWI. The same bravery of the soldiers of beloved Ataturk, wrote Churchill. But the nationalist Cplakidas erases all this references and call racist the reference to Smith & Churchill. I believe Cplakidas is the racist when denies that our courage was transmitted to the Anatolian Greeks after centuries of our domination and influence on them. Read the related talkpage to see how he denies even the declarations of the Italian generals about their mistake in evaluating the strength and resolution to fight of the "renowned weak" and corrupt Greek army.Eteturk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.215.160.97 (talk) 16:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

HI :)

You haven't been around for a while :) Thanks for sending a message to my talk page. These days I'm busy with midterms in "real life" but I will be fully operational in a week or two :) I'm planning to work on the history of elections in Turkey when I return. I hope “Baristarim the Featuredmaker” will help me. See you, Deliogul 12:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Turkey

Could you direct me to the portion of Turkey's FAC that indicates the history section has to be as rambling as it is in the longer version? I won't revert your latest edit, but I am concerned that you approached me on my talk page about discussing the edits only to find you had already rolled everything back. It does not strike me that you are particularly interested in having a real discussion. I respect the tremendous efforts you made in getting the article to featured status in the first place, but I don't think it has to remain set in stone as a result of the FA process. Take a look at the state the article was in by late spring, and where it is now, and I think that you'll find I spent a lot of time and energy getting the article closer to the state you worked to bring it to in the first place. Hiberniantears 17:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

sorry

i am traslate to spanish, dont worry--Զրոլեկս 18:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Byzantine-Seljuk Wars

Thanks dude ur awesome for ur offer of help. Tourskin 06:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Baris good to see you, how are things? Things have been hectic in your absence. The Turkey article deteriorated significantly, compare this version just before I gave it a spring cleaning. The rewriting of the foreign relations sections was especially needed, it really did become horribly bloated, so I reduced the entire thing to three paragraphs, I'm actually quite pleased with that section now, it reads like a proper foreign relations section ought to.

As for the Human rights of Kurds in Turkey article, I've tried again to remove the genocide bollocks they keep sticking in, but Niko, Kekrops and Yannis have all reverted me (in the case of Yannis, even when I left it alone). But dont worry about that, I will get more admins to look at it and it will eventually be removed (though I will certainly need your help). Thanks, --A.Garnet 11:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, Suleiman the Magnificent made GA also --A.Garnet 11:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC) :)

DTP thing

If you really have hardcore evidence on your allegations, submit them to Abdurrahman Yalçınkaya so he may file a case to have the party banned. Also inform the Socialist International and the Party of European Socialists that they are fooled by DTP and mistakenly inaugurated a terrorist organisation for a social democratic one. Your claims are really pathetic. Behemoth 18:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Do NOT remove references info, it is disruptive and can be considered as vandalism. It's self-identification is irrelevant, and it only has associate and observer status in those organizations - which are mentioned by the way. You reverted all my additions blindly, which is nothing but disruption by the way. If you want to discuss improvements to the article, then use the talk page.

Observer status within a body cannot be used as a source to support another claim - that's OR. Associate membership can only be used to support just that, that it is an associate member to X - not what it "is". Read WP:OR for more information on how Wikipedia works please. Thanks Baristarim 01:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, Bariş. I'm glad to hear from you again. I'm fine, still trying to edit. Yes, the conflicts were ended up with Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik unfortunately. Nothing to do.

How are you? I hope everthing's alright. You took a very long wikibreak. Best wishes. E104421 02:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the Welcome-anon on my talk page

As it happens, I am registered, but I don't bother to log in for most of my contributions.

One thing I have noticed in the past year or two is that fewer Wikipedians bother to welcome me any more. When I first started, I could count on a {{welcome}} or {{welcome-anon}} perhaps half the time, as long as it was an editing session that lasted a while. Your welcome, however, is the first one I've gotten in at least two years, if not longer. It makes me feel like an underappreciated minority (...just kidding). I suppose I shoulder consider this announcement to be a bit of recent evidence that we the unregistered contributors are appreciated after all. :-)

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Sup!

Sorry for being so harsh on the talk page. Had to do it tho, you were brazenly lying when you said Akcam's work is biased because it lacks mention of British propaganda.

I've seen a certain Baristarim filling up comments sections on articles across the web, hysterically carrying on that there could not be an Armenian genocide because Armenians are dirty and deserve what they get. That wouldn't be you, would it? And does that strike you as a healthy and productive way to spend your time? And does that make Thoth your soulmate?

It's nothing personal bud. I'd sort of like your opinion on something, actually. I'm really interested in, and really clueless about, "Turkishness". I noticed yesterday shortly after I looked at the redirect for that word, which you yourself did, you hopped on the Gokalp entry and dropped a reference to Gokalp as ideological linchpin of the Armenian Genocide; Gokalp had frequently employed the term, Turkishness. Is there much Turkish language scholarship on the phenomenon of Turkishness? And do you perceive it as singular, or do you believe there is something analogous in say USA or Canada or Syria or whatever? Can one denigrate Americanness? And would speaking of the Trail of Tears be denigrating of the USA?

Is it linguistic, a bad translation of something? And could it warrant an entry on Wikipedia? Cheers, DBaba 06:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify for any other user who might run into this comment that I have never posted a comment which said directly, or indirectly, that "Armenians are dirty and deserve what they get". I always sign the comments I leave around the net as "Baristarim" which is also my real name, and I do/did get into many discussions around the net or news sites. However if there was a comment which claimed that Armenians were dirty and deserved what they get or that it was good that Armenians died and was signed "baristarim" that wasn't me.Baristarim 06:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yo it wasn't Akcam that said that Gokalp was the ideological linchpin of the Armenian genocide. He didn't say that. Really I'm the one who said it, based on several sources (who don't parse it in such forthright terms), including the one you recently removed from Gokalp's bibliography section. I added another reference to the entry, on the ideological underpinnings of genocide, which also suggests Gokalp and his "cult of nationalism" (third reference) had much to do with dehumanizing the minorities of Anatolia.

You keep going after Akcam! Akcam is a tribute to humanity. You seem to be attacking him along the lines of a certain popular hate site, a site filled with sinister lies... I watched what was apparently a furious adolescent from New Jersey filling up a talk page with ramblings recently, carrying on about how TAT is a good website... Amazing, that a young person could be so thoroughly convinced that his identity lies outside himself, and that he must run around to talk pages defending it, rather than simply living a consistently moral life in a world of individual actors. I hope the kid one day takes back his identity from his manipulators, by accepting that where he or his parents were born is just happenstance, and what he is is for him alone to determine.

I'm not buying your Turkishness explanation. I speak English, and I see the word Turkishness all over the place, but the word "Britishness" I never heard until you mentioned it. In the USA, all I can think of would be burning the American flag, which some Americans equate with disrespect for war dead, which has also attracted legislation... But "denigrating the American way of life", that's not a phrase I've ever heard before, whereas "denigrating Turkishness" seems to be a cultural staple. Hope it aint rainin'! Cheers! DBaba 17:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

RE image requests

There is currently a CFD, which will bring those two categories together which are created by the two templates which will make it very difficult to identify articles already covered by the project from those that aren't. About the matter of visibility, I'll have a word with the programmer of the template. Agathoclea 08:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Turkic peoples

Hi, Barış. I've worked a lot on Turkic and Turkish people articles today, i shall greatly appreaciate if you make a proof-reading and copy-edit. Cordial regards. E104421 19:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I've joined!

Thanks for inviting me to the project! Could I ask perhaps though, why you did? Thank you very much. --Enzuru 19:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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merhaba Baris, nasilsin? Uzun zamandir görmedik seni ha? :) I'm trying to develop the Tarkan article into FA and as you already have some featured ones yourself, I thought I'd ask your opinion about it before I nominate for peer review. I have some issues with the structure, see Tarkan talk page. I already developed it into an FA in the Hungarian wiki and based on the info I collected for that article, I started the expansion. It's almost ready but I need some help from someone unbiased for Tarkan but experienced in Wikipedia rules and know-how. Could you have a look at the article and the talk page and tell your opinion when you have some time? Cok tesekkürler, cevabini bekliyorum ben :) Sevgiler! --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 14:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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It's been one high aiming month! The French WikiProject and related pages have been aiming high for Christmas - and have received an equal number of presents in return!

• The French Portal is now a Featured Portal!!! It passed its Candidacy with 100%. Special thanks go to NYArtsnWords and all those that have made this Portal work.
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Where is Turkey? (Barış abi imdaaaat)

Hi fellow editors, Can someone answer the question "where is Turkey?" Is it in Europe, Asia, or in the geopolitical entity named "the Middle East"? I was discussing it on Category_talk:Diplomatic_missions_by_country, as are many Turkish wikipedians, since in every Diplomatical Mission page without exception, Turkey is classified as "Middle Eastern". Each time any Turkish wikipedian reverted that page to "Turkey = Europe" someone frantically would put Turkey back to "Middle East" we discussed it with User:Kransky, the very creator of these page, who more or less obviously hates Turkey and does not want to give away his or her nationality, who flagged me for Vandalism and "Not assuming good faith" when I was only trying to protect what I believed was right and discussed politely.= Dear Turkish Wikipedians, I beg you to give me a hand on this very problem. Cheers (and desesperately) --Eae1983 (talk) 17:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Leyla Şahin v. Turkey - create this article. It should be right up my alley, but will I find the time? :)

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Some small problems on List of largest flags

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