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Would you have time to check out the Hanzade Sultan (daughter of Ahmed I) edits concerning the reference for her date of birth? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:38, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Hi, I couldn't find a pdf. Maybe if you know how to find one, I can check. Beshogur (talk) 13:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

I did find this. "Hanzâde Sultan (d.Istanbul, 1607(?)- ö. Istanbul, 23 Eylul 1650)"

I'm guessing the "d." in Turkish means born.

Although, this states Hanzade Sultan b. 1609.

Maybe you have access to more sources concerning her date of birth? My sincerest thanks, Beshogur! --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I still can't see the source but you're right. d. means doğum. To be honest I don't even know 99% of these daughters of sultans, but thanks if you valued my knowledge :D. Beshogur (talk) 19:35, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Ok. Your knowledge allowed me to know that d. means doğum. So that's important. Stay safe Beshogur! --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Emblems of Turkey

Please refrain from making persistent changes. If you believe something is incorrect, you can cite a reliable source or discuss the issue in the Wikipedia community. Kjmıuımım (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

@Kjmıuımım: There is no emblem. Where is your source? Stop edit warring. Beshogur (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

The coat of arms of Türkiye is a de facto symbol, but it doesn't change the fact that the coat of arms exists Kjmıuımım (talk) 16:48, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

The emblem is a de facto act, meaning it has effectively come into effect but is not enshrined in the constitution, and this does not change the fact that Türkiye has a coat of arms. Kjmıuımım (talk) 16:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

This is just nonsense. Beshogur (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

Read Article 3 of the Turkish Constitution. Kjmıuımım (talk) 15:57, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

It talks about the flag. What are you talking about? Beshogur (talk) 15:58, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

So why isn't the emblem mentioned in the article? Kjmıuımım (talk) 15:59, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

A flag is not an emblem/coat of arms. Beshogur (talk) 16:01, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Turkiye has a coat of arms, but it's not official.

Read this; it's mentioned in Turkish books too, and I have one.

https://www.webtekno.com/turkiyenin-neden-resmi-armasi-yok-h154465.html Kjmıuımım (talk) 16:03, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

I can't take this serious. Just avoid edit warring please. Beshogur (talk) 16:04, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Read a book. Kjmıuımım (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Yeah this doesn't look like a book. Beshogur (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

Recommendation

Good day, I apologize for disturbing you, but I need a recommendation.I would like to add the following text to Aq Qoyunlu's article: Some researchers associate the Oghuz dialect spoken by the Ak Koyunlu with the Azerbaijani language. For example, Vladimir Mirnovsky mentions that the Southern Oghuz dialect of the Ak Koyunlu is what is now called the Azerbaijani language.^[1]^[2]^[3]Mohsen Behramnejad describes the Azerbaijani language as a language inherited from the Ak Koyunlu Turkmen tribes .^[4] The Akkoyunlu sultan Yaqubda wrote poems in the Azerbaijani language.^[5] Will me writing this cause a non-WP:GSAA user problem? Or will there be no problem with me writing it? Etruksian (talk) 10:07, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

@Etruksian: I don't have a clue. Sorry. Beshogur (talk) 11:14, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

I understand, thank you for clarifying. Etruksian (talk) 11:20, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Ahmed al-Sharaa § RfC on the term “Assad”

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ahmed al-Sharaa § RfC on the term “Assad”. HurricaneEdgar 13:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

[1]
Minorsky, V. (1958). A catalogue of the Turkish manuscripts and miniatures. Hodge Figgis, Dublin. pp. xxxi, 1–2. p.xxxi: "The divan of Hidayat (N o. 401), as pointed out in its description, is one of the rare literary works written under the Turcoman dynasty of Aq-qoyunlu: only one other copy of Hidayat's poems is known." pp.1-2: "The Turkish of Amir Hidayat is undoubtedly a 'southern Turkish' dialect, as used by Turcoman tribes. Dialectically it belongs to the same class as the divans of Jahan-shah Qara-qoyunlu, Khata'i ( = Shah Isma'il), Fudull, &c. The current designation of this dialect is 'Azarbayjan Turkish', but it is spoken by the Turkish tribes of Transcaucasia, Persia, as well as those of Eastern Turkey and Mesopotamia." (...) "The divan has considerable poetical merits. Although the author imitates the Persian style, and although there are many Persian elements in his vocabulary, he wields his own tongue with elegance, using peculiar grammatical forms and idiomatic expressions. (...) PROVENANCE. Inscription in rosettes on ff. \b and 2a runs: 'For the library of the Great Sultan, the Ruler of the Nations, the Arm of the State, of the World and of the Faith, Abul-Fath Sultan Khalil Bahadur Khan, may God prolong his reign.' The title corresponds to that of the Aq-qoyunlu ruler Khalil, son of Uzun-Hasan."
[2]
Robinson, Basil William (1993). Studies in Persian Art, Volume 1. Pindar Press. p. 20. ISBN 978-0-907132-43-1. ... An exquisite little volume in the Chester Beatty Library (MS 401) containing a rare text in Azarbayjani Turkish of the Diwān of Hidayat. This contains four miniatures each depicting Khalil in some characteristic situation holding court in a garden, giving audience from his palace balcony, on a hawking expedition, and relaxing in a vinery. They are of superb execution, with typical Turkman figures, small, round-faced, and rather child-like, with turbans set high on their heads.
[3]
Clauson, Gerard (April 1959). "The Chester Beatty Library. A Catalogue op the Turkish Manuscripts and Miniatures. By V. Minorsky, with an Introduction by the late J. V. S. Wilkinson. pp. xxxvi + 145, 43 plates (3 coloured). Dublin, Hodges Figgis and Co., Ltd., 1958". Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society. 91 (1–2): 54–55. doi:10.1017/S0035869X00117733. one, the Divan of Hidayat (one of only two known copies) is in an interesting fifteenth century Turkmen (Ak-koyunlu) dialect.
[4]
M. Behramnejad, «Karakoyunlular, Akkoyunlular: İran ve Anadoluda Türkmen Hanedanları» (in Turkish) ISBN:9786057635280 p. 14: Karakoyunlu ve Akkoyunlu Türkmenlerinin bölgedeki hakimiyetleri sonucunda birçok Türkmen aşiret bölgeye yerleşmiş, bunların bakiyeleri tarafından İran'da Safevî Devleti teşkil edilmiştir. Bugün Doğu Anadolu'nun bir kısmında başta Iğdır, Kars, İran ve Azerbaycan'da kullanılan Azerice denilen doğu Oğuz veya Türkmen lehçesi bunlardan bize kalan önemli miraslardır. (Translation from Turkish to English): As a result of the Karakoyunlu and Akkoyunlu Turkmen dominance in the region, many Turkmen tribes settled there, and the Safavid State in Iran was established by the remnants of these tribes. The Eastern Oghuz or Turkmen dialect called Azeri, spoken today in parts of Eastern Anatolia, primarily in Iğdır and Kars, as well as in Iran and Azerbaijan, is one of the important legacies left to us by these tribes.
[5]
Javadi, H.; Burrill, K. (24 May 2012). "AZERBAIJAN x. Azeri Turkish Literature". Encyclopaedia Iranica

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