User talk:4meter4

Yesterday I was trying to tease out some dates & referencing in these 2 articles and see that you extensively edited them both, like this edit from May 1, 2024. I am puzzled as to the sources you cited when I cannot find them listed in the references section, for instance, your edit added the following but:

Quesnay's Academy opened on October 10, 1876 in a performance given by the Old American Company of Comedians under the management of Hallam and Henry.^[1] Sources vary as to which work was performed on this date, with some sources claiming it was the opera Poor Soldier^[2][3] and one source the play School for Scandal.^[4]

Keller does not state the info about Hallam and Henry ("under the management...") or give the October date on page 229, both the authors Sonneck and Hornblow are not listed in the References, Stoutamire is the one who gives the date on page 70 (as seen at the main Richmond Theatre article.
There were some oddities in the dates in the Theatre fire article, looks like a year was transposed from October 10, 1786 to October 10 1886 and in the interim Bosco9691 has fixed those typos.
However, as I said above, Keller does not give the date, Sonneck & Hornblow are not listed out as citations in the Fire article's references section & Stoutamire is the source with the October date. In the fire article, regarding the October 10th date, I am going to substitute the complete Stoutamire cite for the Keller cite since Keller does not have the date and Stoutamire does. I've adjusted a few other things in the Fire article.
I am having trouble finding online access to your Poet ref:
<ref name="Poet">{{cite journal|title=Poet, Patriot and Pedagogue|first= John G.|last= Roberts|journal=Arts in Virginia|date= Winter 1966}}</ref>
so I can verify its information. The "Arts in Virginia" journal has completely eluded me, I have been unable to find that named journal or magazine anywhere online, so I was wondering if it by any chance it could go by other name/s? I've hidden that ref for the time being within the Fire article, so if you do have more information you can add it and then get the ref "out of hiding". Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Shearonink Thank you for looking over my contributions. Honestly I read so many sources it is difficult for me to recall which sources contained what information from memory at this point. I've read much else since. I'd have to go back and relook at the sources if you have specific questions. I will go back and find the Sonneck and Hornblow source information and add the refs. I'll double check for accuracy on that section. Arts in Virginia is the journal of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts published from 1960-1993. You can access The Poet, Patriot, and Pedagogue journal article in the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts archives (not sure if its available on their website or just at their on-site library. They have five physical copies, but I don't believe it has been digitized). The journal is also physically available in some university and public libraries in the state of Virginia. I looked at the journal offline. 4meter4 (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Here is Sonneck

• [https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_American_Theatre_During_t/plZAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Henry+and+Hallam+Poor+Soldier+Alexander+Richmond+Theatre&pg=PA205&printsec=frontcover

I went into the Theatre article & fixed/adjusted some of the referencing. Thanks for your help. The Poet ref/refs could maybe have the publisher (VA Museum) and a Note on where copies can possibly be found, to save anyone trying to find online/archival versions. I was unable to find even library listings of where the journal is held... Shearonink (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

On 9 June 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carrie Swain, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Carrie Swain was possibly the first woman entertainer to perform in blackface? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carrie Swain. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Carrie Swain), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

On 16 June 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article George Kunkel (actor), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that George Kunkel (pictured) portrayed a mountaineer in The Chalice of Courage (1915), the first film to depict assisted suicide? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/George Kunkel (actor). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, George Kunkel (actor)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

On 16 June 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Chalice of Courage, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that George Kunkel (pictured) portrayed a mountaineer in The Chalice of Courage (1915), the first film to depict assisted suicide? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/George Kunkel (actor). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Chalice of Courage), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

On 1 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Max Weil, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Max Weil, founder of the Halifax Symphony Orchestra, spent his later years in real estate? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Max Weil. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Max Weil), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

On 3 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Edward M. Zimmerman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that husband and wife Edward M. and Marie Zimmerman co-wrote the suffragist anthem "Votes for Women: Suffrage Rallying Song"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Edward M. Zimmerman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Edward M. Zimmerman), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

On 3 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marie Kunkel Zimmerman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that husband and wife Edward M. and Marie Zimmerman co-wrote the suffragist anthem "Votes for Women: Suffrage Rallying Song"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Edward M. Zimmerman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Marie Kunkel Zimmerman), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

On 4 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article George Kunkel (theatre manager), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that actor George Kunkel (pictured) portrayed in blackface the character of Uncle Tom, using it at first to promote slavery during the American Civil War but later to attack it, after his views had changed? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/George Kunkel (theatre manager). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, George Kunkel (theatre manager)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

On 7 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Scott Jarvis (actor), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Scott Jarvis (actor). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Scott Jarvis (actor)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry 4meter4, this got sent to you early. In order to make room for a special occasion hook, this hook got bumped to Prep 3, but the coding to give you credit was still in queue 4. This hook is scheduled to run on Aug. 16. Sorry again for the confusion. Z1720 (talk) 14:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

On 13 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Verna Osborne, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that voice teacher Verna Osborne retired at the age of 101? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Verna Osborne. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Verna Osborne), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for another good one! - I took the pic a year ago (OTD), and a Bach cantata was first performed 300 years ago OTD, on the same Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Ultraphon: I began translation, the last paragraph is missing, next steps would be to provide ill links and improve referencing. Please check the English. I need a break now, RL, but though I better publish now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

On 14 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Baltimore Museum and Gallery of Fine Arts, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that one of the items on display at the Baltimore Museum and Gallery of Fine Arts was George Washington's shaving brush? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Baltimore Museum and Gallery of Fine Arts. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Baltimore Museum and Gallery of Fine Arts), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

On 16 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Joan Ruth, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Joan Ruth rejected a marriage proposal because her suitor wanted her to abandon ambitions of a singing career? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Joan Ruth. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Joan Ruth), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

On 20 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Scott Jarvis (actor), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that actor Scott Jarvis was angered when White House officials under Richard Nixon requested that portions of his role in the musical 1776 be cut due to its anti-war theme? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Scott Jarvis (actor). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Scott Jarvis (actor)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Terrific little article on a subject fascinating to a theater major like me. Thanks, 4meter4. BusterD (talk) 01:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

On 31 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Grace Panvini, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 ft 11.75 in (151.8 cm) tall – a height described by one reviewer as an asset for appearing youthful on stage? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Grace Panvini. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Grace Panvini), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

On 5 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alfredo Gandolfi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that cinematographer Alfredo Gandolfi also had a career as a singer that included more than 300 performances at the Metropolitan Opera? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alfredo Gandolfi. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Alfredo Gandolfi), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

If you would like to expand your recent stub article Henri Hamal, please feel free to make use of my incomplete research in User:Narky Blert/sandbox 3, which includes a rough translation of the Dutch article. In my state of health, I'll not be returning to it. Just mention me in the WP:ES per WP:COPYWITHIN. Best, Narky Blert (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey there 4meter4, hope you're keeping well. I've seen your recent efforts with filling in the Wikipedia:Music encyclopedia topics—nice job! I've decided to take a crack at it myself, starting at the last pages (the Zs!). All I've done so far is expand Zygmunt Szweykowski (musicologist), but I expect to get to others shortly. Best – Aza24 (talk) 21:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

@Aza24 Awesome. I'm mostly just going through and double checking the blue links. Sometimes its blue because a non-music person/topic with the same name has had an article created. In such cases I will knock off a quick article for disambiguation purposes. Other times, it is the person or topic we want. In such cases, I remove the topic from the music encyclopedia list if it is a start rated article or better. If it is a stub, I make a note and leave it. Any help you are willing to give is appreciated. I find, that the encyclopedia list gets tedious after a point, so I tend to do a check in on a couple pages maybe once or twice a year before moving on to something else.4meter4 (talk) 21:17, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha, I figured you were aiming for something like that. Ironically I found myself having to do that Szweykowski, and his father of the same name (plus the list had a redlink for him, but was just missing a redirect since we already had an article). I expect the tediousness will arrive!—but may as well chip away while I have the motivation. Aza24 (talk) 21:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Aza24 That often happens. I've had a few cases where it required writing three or more articles because of multiple people with overlapping names. Then of course there is finding articles in horribly bad shape or with factual errors, and taking time to do cleanup, sourcing, etc.4meter4 (talk) 21:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

On 13 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Walter Kirchhoff, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that operatic tenor Walter Kirchhoff (pictured) was also an officer in the cavalry division of the Imperial German Army? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Walter Kirchhoff. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Walter Kirchhoff), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

On 15 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Christopher Columbus (Zador), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the opera Christopher Columbus was written by its Jewish composer while fleeing persecution from Nazi Germany by sailing across the Atlantic? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Christopher Columbus (Zador). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Christopher Columbus (Zador)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Wow - a hand-coded AfD! I'm impressed and also extremely apologetic that no one has ever referred you to WP:TWINKLE before. This gadget is useful for all kinds of things, among them, one-step AfD notifications. -- asilvering (talk) 03:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering Thanks. I've been editing wikipedia long before Twinkle came around. Old habits die hard.4meter4 (talk) 03:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Category:Summer camps in film has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Category:Video games set in summer camps has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

On 8 October 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Winfield Blake, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after a career as an opera singer and Broadway musical star, Winfield Blake (pictured) became a comedian in vaudeville as one half of the comic duo Blake and Amber? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Winfield Blake. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Winfield Blake), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for another detailed bio! - I have Rohan de Saram on the same page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date (but Bach wrote it for the 20th Sunday, not the Tuesday after the 21st Sunday after Trinity). I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. I'll turn to the Japanese soprano after a round of loving memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Did you listen to that Lamento? ... to the soprano? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

On 14 October 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gonzalo Brenes, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that composer Gonzalo Brenes was a politician in the National Assembly of Panama and served for seven years as Panama's secretary of culture? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gonzalo Brenes. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Gonzalo Brenes), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

^Complex/_Rational 00:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you add any of your research to these two articles, also? They are still considering nominating them for AfD and/or merging them into PacRep, which seems like a bad idea to me. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Note this. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ssilvers Oh my. Clearly not an editor familiar with the content area. That would be an easily dismantled argument by pointing to the "specialized encyclopedia" criteria of WP:5P1 (which trumps WP:NOT as part of the WP:Five pillars). Specialized performing arts encyclopedias like Grove Music Online, the Deutsches Theater-Lexikon, The Oxford Encyclopedia of Theatre and Performance, etc. routinely list productions. Wikipedia should model its encyclopedia entries off of published subject matter specific encyclopedias by major academic publishers per our foundational pillars. Those all include production lists.4meter4 (talk) 05:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we should put back in the comprehensive list, but I think we should mention notable productions, especially if we can find a review. And we should point out the focus on local playwrights. I have given the Forest Theater article a proofread and have tried to find a middle ground between the deletionists and the inclusionists, but some good refs will help a lot in adding back discussion of the most important productions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Encyclopedias generally don't list every production either unless it's a very specific reference work (and there are a number of those; particularly for Broadway and the West End).4meter4 (talk) 06:08, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I think you have been considering and were about to do a good thing. I understand that a discussion has caused you stress. Might I suggest you step away from the discussion, but do not step away from the task? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree. You did a lot of good work at the article, and I think that, with patience, we will persuade people of the importance of this content. User:Timtrent, it would be extremely helpful if you would go to the articles and express your opinion so that we can continue to work on the articles (Pacific Repertory Theatre, Forest Theater and Golden Bough Playhouse), so that they can see that it is not just me and 4meter4 opposing the deletions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent and Ssilvers Thanks for the kind encouragement but I will have to decline. I’ve already had two editors ask me (and others) to not edit the articles or add new sources, one editor accuse me of. being a coi editor, and one editor make a threat of my being blocked if edits are made.

It’s difficult to work on a page(s) where there is clearly a vendetta to prevent article improvements, and a targeted campaign to delete/shame a series of articles by labeling them a non-notable wall garden created or heavily edited by a coi editor. Anybody not sharing that vision immediately becomes a target of harassment, and anyone adding quality independent sources becomes a target for bullying who gets accused of promoting the articles or having some sort of nefarious agenda or being grossly incompetent.

My experience on Wikipedia has taught me that drama tends to create an atmosphere of suspicion where any new editing gets unfairly viewed in a negative light even when it is clearly good intentioned. I’m just not up to working in that atmosphere. It’s unfortunate that coi editing has created a situation where certain articles are being viewed through a particular lens which may lead to an over-reaction in content and editorial decision making that ultimately does not benefit the articles in question.

Ideally cooler heads would prevail, and we could simply add better sourcing and remove problematic content without over trimming material that in any other circumstance would be routinely non-controversial. I just don’t have a thick enough skin to deal with the pushback and maintain my own well being. Not to mention fighting the temptation to fight back and be unkind in return is not something I want to put myself through. I am not a saint. I have so many article topics on my to do list, I will be happier working elsewhere.4meter4 (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I respect your decision. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ssilvers Feel free to refer to this conversation. It is somewhat of a double edged sword. Greg Henderson' community ban was after a protracted period, years, when he worked to create a plausible set of articles on non notable topics, and many need to go. However, some of his work was good, and that needs to be kept. Probably the good work needs editing for tone.

The challenge faced by editors wishing to find the plausible articles on non notable topics is that he did it very well. So some 'feel' notable when they are not.

The best judge is the community as a whole, not you, not 4meter4, certainly not me, and not others referred to but not named. Each of us will have opinions which we believe very strongly to be valid on this. We need to remain open to other opinions, potentially modifying our own.

To summarise, not all of Henderson's output was below standard; a great deal was way below standard; some was acceptable, but in need of editing.

Everyone should go to work with a will, including people we may disagree with. Because the area of Henderson's work has been found to be charged wth controversy everyone must work to the highest standards, criticising their own and others' work against the yardstick of policy. The work should include deletion processes and edits to verify notability

Know that I oppose unfairness in all forms, bullying especially. Provable instances of bullying should go to WP:ANI. BUT making such a report requires clean hands in the matter. WP:BOOMERANG is a real and wise thing. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, in the Radio City Music Hall article, you added that the world premier of Zador's opera Christopher Columbus was moved from the Music Hall to Center Theater due to strong ticket sales. This doesn't seem to make sense as written, as the seating capacity of the Music Hall (5,960) is much greater than was that of Center Theater (3,500). I don't have access to the source you cited. Could you recheck your source? Thank you. Joelkfla (talk) 23:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Joelkfla It states this in the liner notes of the opera recording by the National Symphony Orchestra. You can read it for free here: https://archive.org/details/cd_christopher-columbus-studies-for-orchestr_eugene-zador-westfalisches-sinfonieorchest/page/n3/mode/1up?q=%22Josefa+Chekova%22 If its a mistake, then the mistake was made the writer of the liner notes. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I see it says that it was moved "to the larger Center Theatre," which is simply incorrect. The NY Times archive confirms that it was performed at the Center Theatre, but does not mention it being moved. I assume the liner notes author, or someone to whom he spoke, simply made a bad assumption, as the Center Theatre definitely was not larger than the Music Hall. Joelkfla (talk) 06:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, you can open the query to delete this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Juglares_del_Dexas. since the article fails on WP:GNG --190.219.102.114 (talk) 15:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The article has nothing relevant or notable, the references do not speak significantly about the topic, nor does it have understandable coverage of what it is trying to explain, one of those references is about the sale of a book. 190.219.102.114 (talk) 15:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't agree with that assessment.4meter4 (talk) 15:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello @4meter4 would you review the deleted article Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kefas Brand (2nd nomination) for I think it is possible it was deleted based off emotion and little research about the topic. Thank you Idrisskunle (talk) 16:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I understand the ongoing AfD discussions are still open, so I'd figure I'd ask this to someone with some more music topic-area familiarity than me. I've been delving through some of the Starkid musicals recently to determine their notability, since many lack a lot of coverage at a glance. I've been looking at The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals, though I'm still looking into if I can dig up any reviews for it. There's an awards section, but it's entirely from one website. What's the general consensus on something like this? Is this website, or websites similar to it, usually considered reliable for music related topics? How much notability do they confer with their awards? I want to double check this before I make any final assessment about the page notability-wise. Admittedly this has a bit of overlap with Wikipedia:WikiProject Theatre, but I figured I'd check with you first given I'm not sure whether something like this falls under music guidelines, Theatre guidelines, or some mix of both. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 05:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Pokelego999 I'd suggest leaving a message at WP:WikiProject Musical Theatre and ask for input. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@4meter4 ah, thank you. I had entirely forgotten about Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre's existence. I've left a comment with them and I'll see if I can get some help with that. I'd prefer to try improving that article first than nominating it for deletion straight away, so the help is greatly appreciated all the same.

As an aside, thank you for being patient with me thus far at the AfD. I'm still a bit new to the NMUSIC guidelines, so forgive me if I end up saying something by accident that comes across as completely ludicrous. I'm mostly working with my prior experience with notability plus what is literally being said in these guidelines, so I'm not in the loop if there's some usual standards in the music WikiProjects not outright stated in the guidelines, or if there's other guidelines beyond the ones listed at NMUSIC, that I am unaware of. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 06:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Pokelego999 No problem. :-) Hope to see you around more. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

What do you think of this image? It is PD now. If you like it, would you kindly add it to the article? More 1927 images are on this page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ssilvers I love these images, but I am pondering whether they are in fact PD. If they were published somewhere before 1929 then they are, but if they were not published the photographer would still have the rights plus 70 years after their death. If the photographer is not known and the work was unpublished they would be still copyrighted until they are 100 years old.

So... basically it comes down to these questions: 1. do we know whether these were published? If so where and when? If published before 1929 we can upload them. 2. If not, who was the photographer and when did they die? If 70 or more years ago we can upload them 3. If none of this is known we have to wait until we can use the pd-old template on commons which won't be until 2027 (or later because some of these are clearly later such as the 1929 film related images). Best.4meter4 (talk)

I appears to have been published in the Playbill, as it is also published on the Playbill website, here. So, I think it's clear enough that it was published in 1927. To be 100% sure, I guess one would have to go to a library that keeps old playbills, unless we can find it on ebay or somewhere. I don't think we should put film images next to the core info about the musical. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

I'll see what I can dig up on the images. I am fine with where you moved the film image. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Of course, even if you are not comfortable uploading them as PD yet, they will become PD on January 1, 2028, after they turn 100. But I bet you will find that they were published in 1927. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

This from NYPL says the photo was taken by White Studio (New York, NY.) See also this and this. Compare with the Playbill site. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ssilvers Thanks for that. Funnily enough, look what just popped up at AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gaylord Ravenal.4meter4 (talk) 04:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

So sorry you were bullied off the pages having to do with Carmel's historic theatres. You were doing good work. Sorry to see the bullies win. ~smatprt Smatprt (talk) 15:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, many thanks for helping to clean up the Shakir Pichler page (sincerely appreciate your time) - however, I feel the removal of all the Bands, and releases plus the removal of all the feature films completely detracts the point of providing the most important information about him. Originally each film had a link to each films (official) IMDB link which credits him.. I was then told imdb is deemed unreliable (but there are exceptions) - The bands and album releases were linked to multiple external music catalogue sites or record label sites. Unfortunately I'm not a web designer like Shakir is and he won't touch the wiki page so I really need some help getting those 2 category lists back with links that wiki editors will accept. Just calling out in case you could possibly help in this respect. Im sure you are busy but wiping out all of that makes the page pretty much 'nothing'. Happy to remove all the extraneous text info on him though hand just list the achievements as I feel they really need to be there. Some schools have literally used his page for information on the arts but now there is nothing there. Thanks in advance for any help on this. :) Christine <3 Sexbeatrecords (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

TY for the Lyncoya upload. Appreciate it. jengod (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jengod You are welcome. You might consider adding the cropped version of the photo to the article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

On 29 November 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Radio City Music Hall of the Air, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the radio program Radio City Music Hall of the Air employed approximately 10,000 musicians during the first eight years of its broadcast history? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Radio City Music Hall of the Air. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Radio City Music Hall of the Air), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Hello! Your submission of Ettore Verna at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

The article survived the AfD. Would you kindly add the sources you found to the Gaylord Ravenal article? Also, in the article, would you please note the most important plot differences from the musical's script that affect Gaylord's character in the 3 film versions? They are not mentioned at all. For example, in the 1951 film, a much shorter period of time has gone by at the end when Ravenal returns to Magnolia and his young daughter. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @4meter4. Hope you are well. I don't think stubifying Shakir's wiki page has helped the case. I feel it's been more detrimental.  Would there be a way you could restore/reverse the data you removed but put it in drop/down sections similar to the 'further reading' section away from the 'bio' section where I think if I understand correctly, it is frowned upon, and links are under more scrutiny there? So "Discography" or "Music Releases". And "Filmography" which would include each films separate official imdb entry and wiki entry if available as inline links and you could then remove Shakir's personal IMDB page which is the one that seems as a rule 'easily faked' but the official ones are great regardless of wiki reference score regarding imdb in general, I feel they would easily adhere to the 'imdb sometimes has exceptions to the rule' which is stated in wiki references page due to the professional nature of the production companies and productions themselves.

Same with the music and video releases. The music videos are easily searchable on multiple sites as are the releases but obviously I don't want them to be linked anywhere to 'where to buy' (that is if any titles actually even available these days.. I've seen a few on European boutique stores and ebay but need to be careful as I do not want to be advertising any type of business or sale. I could do this but I'd really rather not deal with some of the aggression every time I try to fix something myself. I think the page will make more sense and people will see that it's not just a name stub but a huge career (2 careers) with massive contributions to Western Australia which is important to not lose. Thanks in advance. 157.211.98.194 (talk) 10:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

The redirect X. has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4 § X. until a consensus is reached. GilaMonster536 (talk) 01:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@GilaMonster536 Not sure why you notified me. I never edited at this page.4meter4 (talk) 01:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I was just trying to ask people I thought might give their opinion. GilaMonster536 (talk) 02:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@GilaMonster536 Just a friendly warning. You need to be careful when leaving messages on people's talk pages about a deletion discussion. We have rules about who can be notified at WP:APPNOTE. I don't meet any of the criteria listed there as I am not an involved editor, nor do I have any expertise. WP:INAPPNOTE states that notifying "users with no significant connection to the topic at hand" is spamming which is a forbidden behavior on wikipedia. It can get you blocked if you do it repeatedly. If you want people to participate, I suggest leaving a neutral message at a talk page or noticeboard of one or more WikiProjects that might be connected to the topic. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Not a huge deal, but {{AFD top}} should be placed above the header. Otherwise it can cause weird errors on the daily AFD log. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, in this edit to Clay M. Greene you used {{sfn|Sherwood|Chapman|1955|page=85}} as a reference. Unfortunately no work "Sherwood & Chapman 1955" is listed, so the reference cannot be looked up by anybody, and the article is placed in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. If you could supply the missing source it would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 19:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas from London ...

and may the New Year be a safe one, filled with peace and plenty.

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 10:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for your note! My second Christmas story is about a cantata, 300 years old, and the song on which it is based, 500 years old, and the hymn on wich that is based, 1,500 years old. One of the movements was inspired by a baby leaping in his mother's womb. Enjoy the season! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

On 3 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ettore Verna, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that baritone Ettore Verna twice "sang himself out of his pants" during a performance at the Boston Opera House, according to Billboard? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ettore Verna. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ettore Verna), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 12:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

On 4 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Anthony E. Wills, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that films were made of plays written by Anthony E. Wills after his death at a relatively young age? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony E. Wills. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Anthony E. Wills), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

– 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 12:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

On 4 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas Fenner (sea captain), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Thomas Fenner captained an English warship against the Spanish Armada? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Fenner (sea captain). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Thomas Fenner (sea captain)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

– 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 12:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi. You added a ref to Ganzl's 2001 encyclopedia in The Gondoliers, but you didn't then specify which of the Ganzl refs in the article were to his 1986 book, and which are to the 2001 book. If they are all to the 1986 book, then the 2001 book should go under a "Further reading" heading rather than "References". Would you please fix this? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Ssilvers. Done. I found an unattributed quote in our article to Ganzl 2001. Additionally, several of the citations had footnotes mixed in which lack referencing. I sorted them and placed citation needed tags. Additionally, there is a quote cited to "Stedman" but no source gives an author with that last name. I left a note on the article talk page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Just in case you did not see, I have requested that, per WP:CITEVAR you do not change the formatting of the G&S project-bannered articles to sfn. The project uses a manual citation style (except for the long book cites). -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

On 5 January 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Loretta Di Franco, which you created. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Masem (t) 13:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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Category:Works set on the Moon has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I also nom'ed the Mars category I just created few days ago. See Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Works/Fiction_by_setting_(space) for broader consideration. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

On 6 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Home and Beauty, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Home and Beauty has been described as both a "little masterpiece of polite merriment" and a "misogynist comedy dipped in vitriol"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Home and Beauty. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Home and Beauty), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you for this, in collaboration, for moving the Welsh composer to article space, for the foundation of the operetta ...! - Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. - Did you see Masilo talking and dancing? - The operetta is planned for next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Today, between many who just died, Tobias Kratzer on his 45th birthday who was good for an unusual DYK mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

On 7 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas P. Fenner, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the first women's dormitory built at Hampton University was partially paid for with money collected by the school's choir in tours led by Thomas P. Fenner? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas P. Fenner. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Thomas P. Fenner), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 12:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

On 8 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mark Smith (actor, born 1887), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mark Smith was a fourth-generation actor who performed in 70 theaters in New York City and on more than 2,000 radio programs? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mark Smith (actor, born 1887). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mark Smith (actor, born 1887)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 12:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

On 9 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jane Stuart Smith, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after becoming a born again Christian, soprano Jane Stuart Smith abandoned a successful opera career to pursue a life of service? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jane Stuart Smith. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jane Stuart Smith), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

On 10 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Clay M. Greene, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that playwright Clay M. Greene (pictured) claimed he was "the first American white child born in San Francisco"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Clay M. Greene. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Clay M. Greene), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 12:02, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

If you were Gen Z, I could almost understand your nomination of Abner Louima, but that's impossible. The fact that we're even debating this issue is potentially embarrassing to the Foundation. I'm officially slapping you with a trout. Happiest new year. Bearian (talk) 06:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian Ha ha. I probably should have taken it to move requests instead which would have been the better process with this particular subject/issue. Happy new year to you as well.4meter4 (talk) 06:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

FYI I was in middle school when this event happened so… not the kind of thing on my radar. Never heard of him until this week.4meter4 (talk) 06:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

This version of the List of people from Brooklyn had about 600 notables and 140 sources or just under 25% of the entries. The current version, since you started adding entries, has 665 more notables, but only about a dozen sources have been added or less than 2% of the additions. If you know the people are from Brooklyn, why not add the source with each and every entry to make the information verifiable? Alansohn (talk) 14:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Alansohn On my to do list. I’m currently going through Category:People from Brooklyn and adding them to the page if they are missing. Once I gather all the people I am going to work on fact checking and sourcing the list one by one. That includes sourcing the people I did not add. Just give me time to work through my process in the way that organizationally works for me.4meter4 (talk) 14:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough. When entries are added one-by-one I'm often happy to add the sources myself, but that's hard to do with hundreds of additions. As long as you're on it, I'll be more patient. Alansohn (talk) 14:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

In Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_9#Category:Works, given our recent discussion on related topics. Feel free to disagree with me, of course. Seems like I am a lonely voice there again. (But at the very least, why nobody wants to standardize the naming of creative works and works...? It's confusing...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Historians from Brooklyn has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Bearcat (talk) 16:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

The city-level category must exist first, with borough-level categories coming second. Even if you've got a "months-long" project under way, you still have to organize that project in the correct order. (Also, you can't leave a redlinked city-level category sitting there as an uncreated parent of the borough-level category either, because if a redlinked category hits Special:WantedCategories I have to make it go away.) Bearcat (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Bearcat That's WP:POINTY Bearcat and you know it. You could have easily lent a hand and built up the category structure yourself rather than interrupt a productive encyclopedia project with an end outcome that is leading to that. You could have created that parent cat yourself and helped populate it rather than taking it to CFD. We have hundreds of articles on historians from NYC and already have a cat structure by occupation per bureau.4meter4 (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

The current run of Special:WantedCategories had 216 redlinks on it — meaning I don't have the time to wander around Wikipedia figuring out whether each individual redlink is creatable or not and where it would belong in the category tree and what else would belong in it and all of that. If I spend five minutes on each category, thus getting through the list at a rate of just 12 categories per hour, then it would take me 18 hours to clean up the entire list, and if I spend ten minutes on each category, thus getting through the list at a rate of just six categories per hour, then it would take me 36 hours to clean up the entire list. But that's an excessive time burden that other people are not entitled to put on my plate.
Because I have hundreds of redlinked categories to clean up each time the redlinked category report runs, I'd have to make it my permanent full-time job to just clean up redlinked categories, leaving me with no time left to do anything else, if I had to spend five or ten minutes on each redlink instead of five or ten seconds. So if you want a category to exist, then it's your job to create that category yourself, not my job to volunteer to create it for you — because if you get to demand that of me, then so does everybody else, and then I'm spending 36 hours on that job when it's not my responsibility to spend 36 hours on that job. Bearcat (talk) 16:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Bearcat Wikipedia is WP:NOTCOMPULSORY. Nobody is demanding you do anything. But you should ask other editors what their plan is before going to CFD if they are in the middle of creating and populating categories. Undoing other people's work in the middle of construction is not kind. Supporting them and giving them time to complete their work is. That's WP:AGF. Being a good team player is really all that is required. If you had talked to me about it first you probably wouldn't have charged into a CFD. When problems are solvable through editing going the deletion route is often frowned upon, and when its a cat populating issue (and people are actively working on populating) we generally don't like to see those come up at CFD. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Taking the time to ask the creator of a redlinked category if they have "plans" or not is also a thing that if I do for you, then I have to do it for everybody else too, thus requiring me to invest five to ten minutes into each individual redlink and turning it into an 18 to 36 hour job. So, again, that's not a thing that I have a responsibility to do, and not a thing that makes me "uncollaborative" for not taking extra time to do.
You say that nobody is demanding I do anything, and yet you're literally demanding right now that I take extra steps that would turn redlinked category cleanup into a 36 hour job? Bearcat (talk) 17:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Bearcat No. I'm asking you to do the bare minimum of what's required when working in a community to get along well with others. I would think supporting people in their work would be part of that.4meter4 (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

No, you're asking me to do things that would turn cleaning up redlinked categories it into an 18 to 36 hour job.
Sure, from your perspective where you only saw the one redlinked category that crossed your plate, it doesn't seem like that big of a burden to demand that I either create the category for you or take time to ask if you have "plans" or not — but as a person who has to deal with a cleanup report loaded with 216 redlinked categories, if I take those steps for you then I also have to take those same steps for every other one of those 216 redlinks. Which means I have to invest 18 to 36 hours into the job, because I can only get through between six and twelve redlinks per hour if I spend five to ten minutes putting extended research or solitication into each individual redlink.
So no, it isn't my responsibility to go around creating all the redlinks, it isn't my responsibility to go around asking the creator of each individual redlink whether it was an accident or a "plan", and it isn't my responsibility to take any accusations that not volunteering to spend 18 to 36 hours on redlinked category cleanup makes me "uncollaborative" in any way. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

We'll just have to agree to disagree. It's not how I would choose to interact with other people when they are in the middle of a project that is improving the encyclopedia.4meter4 (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks again for your honesty. Bearian (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

The article Jiří Gemrot has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Theroadislong (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

On 22 January 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Arthur Swanstrom, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Arthur Swanstrom co-wrote the lyrics to "the first Off-Broadway musical to gain wide recognition in New York"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Arthur Swanstrom. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Arthur Swanstrom), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

And the answer is... Adrian Ross! Check him out. He was instrumental in the development of Edwardian musical comedy (and the revival of operetta before WWI), whereas Grey was a contributor to the genre at the end of its life-cycle. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Ssilvers Thanks for the reading suggestion. I'm not familiar with Ross.4meter4 (talk) 14:08, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Ganzl is clear that the London production opened *before* the original production came to Broadway, and that is when the song (and several others) were interpolated or added. Hayden Coffin played Robin in London and sang the song in Act III. After the B'way production opened, the song was, of course, assigned to Alan-a-Dale in Act II. But I am guessing that the later scores and productions restore it to the wedding scene in Act III. -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:18, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Ssilvers I agree with that assessment. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:22, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Can you provide sources for your position that the artform is spelled 'theatre' in both American and British English? I can't find anything to that effect. For example, not sure how authoritative it is but this site says "Both spellings mean the same thing: a building, area, or structure used to stage a play or film, or the production itself presented within." If anything, I would think it would be the opposite of what you said, given how many venues use the "Theatre" spelling in their names. –CWenger (^ • @) 04:58, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@CWenger When I studied theatre in college (I'm American and studied in the United States) this was the distinction used in our text book, and the one that was taught by faculty. The Art Times Journal acknowledges this, although one can not claim that its "standard" as the spelling of theater/theatre has always been inconsistent/interchangeable. All I can say is that today most professional theatre people in America use the spelling theatre to refer to the artform and the spelling theater to refer to a physical structure. All the major theatre arts organizations use the spelling theatre, for example, the American Theatre Wing uses "theatre" as its spelling, and so does American Theatre magazine. Theatre is the standard spelling used in journals in the United States to refer to the art form (such as Theatre Journal). Generally one only sees the "theater" spelling in the context of buildings in academic writing in the performing arts. However, there will always be exceptions/outliers because the spelling has never been consistent in the United States. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

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I find today's birthday child particularly inspiring, by enthusiasm and determination. That was - believe it or not - a pictured DYK in 2021, without the last line though. - Can you perhaps help with sourcing and expanding Paul Plishka? One of the former editors reverted my sourcing of recordings to Salazar, without providing anything better. It smells a bit like copyvio, and has not a single review so far ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Plishka was done, on the Main page until this morning, yesterday we had Hans-Peter Lehmann, a great opera manager and director (I took the pic of the opera house in the article), and today we have Edith Mathis. Can you perhaps write a bit about her voice? I'm lacking the words. Reference Kesting (FAZ) goes into detail. The only English obit, from Deutsche Oper Berlin, is less to the point of her personal quality. Any other help with the article is also welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the memory of Brian Boulton! I have his name on my talk page whenever I remember someone who died. I have him listed, with the same image you used, in the list of people to be remembered. I have his essay linked on my user page, where it will stay until the conflict about a little tool of accessibility is settled. Please visit his talk page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

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I came across this term and started a draft on it. I am not sure how to handle it on Wikipedia. Should it be a link to Wiltionary? The draft I started is at Draft:Endmen. The term is used in various entries see . FloridaArmy (talk) 12:27, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy "Endmen" is a term specific to the minstrel show and refers to the comic duo that would be positioned at the ends of the semi-circle construction on the minstrel show stage. They typically personified the minstrel tropes/stock characters of Jim Crow and Jim Dandy (currently lack an article on this minstrel character). See the minstrel show entries in these books: , This might be better covered in the minstrel show page rather than as a stand alone article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:58, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Thanks! That minstrel show entry states that Jim Dandy is the same as Zip Coon (in the Characters section)? Zip Coon redirects to a section of the song article for Turkey in the Straw. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Hello @4meter4 I’d request you review this page Kefas Brand it has been norminated for deletion. Kindly leave a review. According to me I think it should be kept rather but could be because I created the page. Kindly review and vote

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Please stop "fixing" redirects, e.g. Cort Theatre to James Earl Jones Theatre. See WP:NOTBROKEN: "It is almost never helpful to replace [[Redirect]] with [[Target|Redirect]]." — Chrisahn (talk) 23:14, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

@Chrisahn I wasn't fixing redirects. Cort Theatre was a disambiguation page until a few minutes ago. Someone else just moved Cort Theatre to Cort Theatre (disambiguation) a few minutes ago without telling me.4meter4 (talk) 23:15, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

I see. I'll stop reverting your edits. I think you should revert them though, unless Cort Theatre is converted back to a disambiguation page. Maybe a rollbacker can help with this annoying work. — Chrisahn (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Ya, I wish that editor had left me a message so I hadn't made so many fruitless changes in those interim minutes. I don't really see those changes as a problem though. The text still reads Cort Theatre in the articles, and it is still going to the correct page. To me there doesn't seem to be a great need to revert back to an older version given there isn't really any harm done, and there isn't a future article creation issue at play. I'm also not sure about a primary topic as there are other Cort Theatres besides the ones in Chicago and New York. It may be the dab page gets moved back at some point. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Makes sense. Happy editing! — Chrisahn (talk) 23:49, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you for another interesting opera person! - Today, 300 years of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1! - We sang works for (mostly) double choir by Pachelbel, Johann Christoph Bach, Kuhnau/Bach, Gounod and Rheinberger! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I made one of your subjects my story today, on her birthday. 2010 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

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Please populate your categories. You're making a lot of Redundant category layers right now. ^SMason_Garrison 02:59, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Smasongarrison Consider assisting in building out the category structures and populating them rather than going to WP:CFD. I only created the category structure as a mirror of other occupations. It's better to build than tear down.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Why don't you take a look at my edit history before saying that I'm not helping. For the record, mirroring other occupations is not a reason to create categories. We only keep categories that are presently helpful for navigation. ^SMason_Garrison 03:06, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Smasongarrison I didn't say you weren't helping, only that I don't see this particular CFD nomination as helpful. You could have picked another country and started populating historian cats by location for that nation which is ultimately where we will most likely go in time.4meter4 (talk) 03:14, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd be happy for you to make it irrelanvant by creating more categories that you populate. But it isn't helpful to have redundant categories. ^SMason_Garrison 03:16, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Smasongarrison I would given time, but I have projects I am committed to at present. At some point I probably will, at which point the category structure will have to be built out again which is frustrating. Hence why I don't see this particular CFD nomination as helpful. 4meter4 (talk) 03:20, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

I understand that you'll get to it and that the policy is frustrating. But the consensus is that the redundant categories are easy to rebuild. The norm for categorization is that categories shouldn't exist until they are actively needed. Like if you made two categories that's usually sufficient to keep it open. ^SMason_Garrison 03:26, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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My story today is about an opera singer born OTD in 1870. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Check out my talk: for a great woman's Johannes-Passion (listen!), our music in detail, and three people who recently died and are on the main page (where she isn't). My call for collaboration has the first "no". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:02, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

My story is about music that Bach and Picander gave the world 300 years (and 19 days) ago, - listen (on the conductor's birthday) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

I finally managed to upload the pics I meant for Easter, see places. - Also finally, I managed a FAC, Easter Oratorio. I wanted that on the main page for Easter Sunday, but no, twice. You are invited to join a discussion about what "On this day" means, day or date. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Easter Oratorio. Requesting for a new opinion regarding Christoph Wolff's claims, and whether or not these claims are still relevant or correct, or if they've since been debunked. This is only a request regarding that specific issue, this is not a request for a review or for a new hook proposal. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello 4meter4. If you do not mind, is it okay if you propose a hook or a few for this nomination? This is only a request for new hooks rather than for a review. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Could you tell me, User:Narutolovehinata5, what you find "wrong" with a cantata hook about a hymn so famous in English that its article - one of few - comes under an English title? ... the song of the Reformation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not really an expert when it comes to hymns, but is it really that famous in English? I'm a Catholic rather than Protestant so I'm personally unfamiliar with that specific hymn and how well known it is, so perhaps 4meter4 can explain to me. Personally at least, the hook has the usual issues: it's complicated and includes too many details, and the hook doesn't seem that interesting unless you're an expert on classical music or religious hymns. Another issue is that the hook calls his hymn "famous", a term that is not used anywhere in BWV 80's article. I should make it clear: I'm not necessarily against this specific hook fact, it's more of an issue of wording/clarity/interest, and it could probably work better as a more concise and less confusing hook. I see that the article is a Good Article so maybe another angle is possible, although my own reading of the article didn't give me any ideas, hence why I was asking 4meter4 (a fellow classical music expert) for suggestions instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

The famousness is not mentioned in the article about the cantata because it is so famous. There is a pipe because we can't use the English hymn name, of course, because it's not based on a hymn in English, of course. Better ideas always welcome. I tried to have the hymn in German, like 95% of other German hymns. The answer was - in a nutshell - that it's too familiar in English to have it in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

(From the article on the hymn, Reception:) "Heinrich Heine wrote in his 1834 essay Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland, a history of emancipation in Germany beginning with the Reformation, that Ein feste Burg was the Marseillaise of the Reformation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 In future please ping me at the DYK discussion itself when making future requests for hook proposals. I don't mind helping out but I think its better to keep conversations related to a particular DYK at that DYK.

@Gerda Arendt I personally have never heard of this particular cantata. It may well be well known in Germany, and I am certain that those steeped in Bach performance would know it but I personally have never performed it, heard it performed, or even heard a recording. I looked it up on YouTube and the music is completely new to me. I've also worked as a paid vocalist at a Lutheran church in America where we performed Bach cantatas periodically so I have some experience in the literature, and I frequently attend Bach concerts in my area (right now I am in Pennsylvania and regularly attend the monthly cantata performances by the Bach Choir of Bethlehem). Other than in the Lutheran Church, Reformation Day is ignored/unobserved in American churches. I personally wouldn't consider this a well known work familiar to most people. It's definitely obscure to people in the United States.

Bach wrote many cantatas, of which I would say only BMV 1, BMV 61, BMV 82, BMV 103, BMV 140, and BMV 159 may be recognizable to a wider group of people. Even then it's only a limited group, and many wouldn't know the name of the cantata but only recognize the melody as familiar. The average person outside Germany who isn't from a Lutheran background probably would not be able to name a single cantata by Bach. Only 2% of Americans are Lutheran so that is a pretty tiny percentage of the population. For DYK purposes I wouldn't consider any of Bach's cantatas as generally recognizable by name to the wider global public. If this were the German language wikipedia it would be a different matter, but to an English speaking audience the majority of readers will be entirely new to the Bach cantata repertoire.

In general, Americans are pretty ignorant of Bach's cantatas. They typically only get performed by Bach choral groups, early performance ensembles, and occasionally by university choruses. Some Lutheran churches may perform them if they have a strong enough music program at the church, but many Lutheran churches in America don't have the resources to do so, or have moved towards contemporary worship music and no longer perform classical works. Other Christian denominations don't often perform Bach. It really just depends on the church. I've worked as a paid church musician for over 20 years now for a variety of denominations (Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopal, Baptist, Roman Catholic, etc.), and only touched the Bach cantata rep in the Lutheran church. The other denominations have their own canon of liturgical music, and don't typically perform it. Some church choirs with a classical bent do perform larger masterworks a couple times a years, and Bach's music does sometimes get picked for these, but in my experience the larger oratorios are more likely to be picked for this kind of event among American church choirs. The opportunity for exposure to Bach cantatas is relatively limited, and the typical American probably has never attended a Bach cantata performance if they are not Lutheran.

I myself experienced my first Bach cantata after getting hired as a church musician at a Lutheran Church at the age of 22. I never touched the Bach cantata repertoire in college in both undergraduate and graduate studies other than a couple of solo arias I learned in voice lessons. Our university choruses did perform Bach, but they were the larger liturgical compositions like Magnificat and the St Matthew Passion. I have multiple music degrees and never studied a single Bach cantata in any of my coursework beyond maybe some music theory analysis and some excerpts in music history coursework. It would be very easy for even an educated musician in the United States to have limited familiarity with Bach cantatas as it is considered a specialized rep and the opportunity to attend cantata performances may be limited to non-existent depending on where one lives. The interest in this rep is also culturally dependent and the average American isn't typically drawn to German language liturgical music. That isn't to say that Bach concerts in America aren't well attended. They are, but they tend to focus more on the oratorio and instrumental repertoire and they draw the same limited audience; many of whom are from German American backgrounds or are classical music enthusiasts. It's a niche area of interest. My guess is that maybe only 3 in 100 Americans could give you the name of a single Bach cantata if asked to do so. All of this to say, in my opinion there are no famous Bach cantatas when addressing an American audience. I can't speak to the UK audience, but my guess is it would be similar as Bach's music is not utilized much in the Anglican Church liturgical canon.4meter4 (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

This is all interesting, and matches an essay I just received, about the Bach cantatas being foreign country for people from other languages especially because of the specific (longing-for-death) theology that dominated Leipzig services at Bach's time, while the Passions, per their drama and emotions, are able to raise some interest. I had hoped to put the essay as a reference into related articles, but instead I struggle with DYK. For this particular cantata nom, I still believe that the hymn is famous. I may add some about this to the article (which wasn't written by me but mostly by Nikkimaria). - I happen to sing in a Catholic church choir which has a program of Bach cantatas from time to time (last year Bleib bei uns, denn es will Abend werden, BWV 6, Du Hirte Israel, höre, BWV 104, and the Ascension Oratorio) but would not do any Handel oratorio besides Messiah because of the "foreign" Baroque plots and the language barrier. But the Mass in B minor. I heard a performance of Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott, BWV 80, on Reformation Day in 2017, celebrating 500 years of the Reformation (and my sister's birthday, performed where she lives). The concert also featured a mass by Zelenka, for ecumenism ;) - The cantata is much more introverted than one might think knowing that the hymn is regarded as the battle song of the Reformation, and is a highly unusual chorale cantata, not in the format of the 1724 cycle, and possibly not even performed that year. But such aspects are not for simplistic DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the response 4meter4. I'll ping you on the nomination page and ask if you could propose something. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:46, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

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On 4 May 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article T. D. Bancroft, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that temperance movement activist T. D. Bancroft (pictured) witnessed Abraham Lincoln's assassination and lectured about it across America? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/T. D. Bancroft. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, T. D. Bancroft), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, following a 2024 AfD discussion that closed as "redirect", Teresa Harding has been recreated and has been renominated for a redirect. The discussion is taking place here. I am notifying all participants in the earlier discussion. Thanks! Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

when you were removing the cold claim you accidently added the incorrect information about the CPU tires in the ingredients list on so I have fixed it for you. All the countries listed have a tendency to use those ingredients depending on the recipe Sharnadd (talk) 07:23, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

On 23 May 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Walter Ben Hare, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that dramatist Walter Ben Hare became wealthy by writing plays that were rarely performed professionally? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Walter Ben Hare. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Walter Ben Hare), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Thank you for "him", and for having created Jadwiga Rappé! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the excellent work on creating the article Academy of Music (Atlantic City, New Jersey). It is an impressive piece of work, and fills a long-needed gap in American theatre history. Saratoga Sam (talk) 14:34, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

@Saratoga Sam Thanks for the kind words. I am considering creating a separate article that is much more detailed on the Apollo Theatre. There is much that could be written on the many plays, operettas, and musicals that premiered there. If you have time, I could use some help linking the many plays and musicals that premiered at the Apollo to the page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:07, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

@4meter4 Sure, I've already started on it. Saratoga Sam (talk) 17:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

GTG except needs second QPQ review due to backlog mode, I believe. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:58, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I'm trying to perform the merge in accordance with the the AfD result but I'm not seeing anything useful to merge. The sentence sourced to the interview is already included in the Mackenzie Calhoun article. Additionally, there are two ambiguous primary references. What specific content did you want to merge in the main article? Mika1h (talk) 11:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I probably should have posted this originally on the Talk:Star Trek: New Frontier but the other editor who advocated for a merge (Daranios) responded at User talk:Daranios#List of Star Trek: New Frontier characters, so if you have a comment could you post it there, thanks. --Mika1h (talk) 17:04, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

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You're right. I'm wrong. I did some additional research and found articles references Wilberforce University as early as 1857.Billmckern (talk) 00:50, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Billmckern It's understandable. For some reason Wilberforce College occasionally crops up in newspaper articles and books which aren't directly about the school but are about graduates or other people connected to it. Any coverage of the institution itself usually gets the name right. Errors sadly also get repeated once they get printed. Thanks for double checking.4meter4 (talk) 00:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you for taking care of Leontyne Price's article! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

While you are of course invited to check out my recommendations any day, today offers unusually a great writer of novels, music with light and a place with exquisite food. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

On 18 June 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ralph Riggs, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ralph Riggs made his professional stage debut when he was a baby? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ralph Riggs. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ralph Riggs), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 12:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Klaus König. The nominator is requesting for your input in the nomination. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:42, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Your input at Template:Did you know nominations/Vladyslav Gorai is also appreciated, as you were pinged there and there is currently a lack of clarity regarding the subject's death that may require help regarding sourcing and article expansion. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

If you see any other sources, reviews, credits, etc., please feel free to add them. Also, if you want to nominate it for DYK, the hook could be something about breaking the glass ceiling, citing Playbill.... -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

@Ssilvers I'll dig around the NYT archive and the internet archive and see if I can find some more materials. Feeling a little down about DYK at the moment after Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 4 (6 July)#Broadway Jones (performer) (nom). Apparently "Ol' Man River" is too obscure of a reference point... See also Talk:Broadway Jones (performer).4meter4 (talk) 19:16, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. As for Broadway Jones, I suggest that next time an objection like this comes up, you ask for back-up at the WP:MUSICALS talk page. I would have argued that the song was significant to mention and given them the choice of a similar hook like "DYK that Jerome Kern's "Old Man River", from Show Boat was written for Broadway Jones, but he refused the role." That gives more context for its importance. I'd have argued that "Old Man River" is an important piece of Americana and musical history that has been the subject of books and inspired songs by artists as far away as India, has been covered by Crosby and Sinatra, and recordings were inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame and ranked in AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs. In any case, please don't be discouranged -- you are certainly successful more often than not. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I was worried of being accused of WP:CANVASSING. It's always difficult knowing how to approach a wikiproject for backup when in a dispute for that reason. Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I doubt a neutrally-worded message there would be considered canvassing, as long as you simply said that there was a discussion about "a DYK hook" for Broadway Jones, didn't express a point of view, and let people visit the discussion to make up their own minds. People are often accused of canvassing, but it is like being accused of WP:OWN: you can just say "no, I was merely inviting people from a subject area Wikiproject who are likely to be knowledgeable about the subject." -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

[left]. Helm was the replacement as Music Director for Stanley Lebowsky, the original MD of Me and My Girl. -- he started out as associate. Not sure when Lebowsky left. Anderson is listed as assistant conductor from the beginning of the run, so she actually assisted Lebowsky at first. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:02, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

@Ssilvers Thanks for the clarification. I'll let you adjust as needed to the Me and My Girl article. I knocked off a quick article on Tom Helm (conductor) based on what I found in PROQUEST. I'll dig around more tomorrow.4meter4 (talk) 03:11, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

On 30 June 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Academy of Music (Atlantic City, New Jersey), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Academy of Music was the name of three different theaters located on the same property on the Atlantic City Boardwalk which were all destroyed by fires? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Academy of Music (Atlantic City, New Jersey). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Academy of Music (Atlantic City, New Jersey)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I see you want me to hold off. OK. I'll step away for a couple of hours. You should not keep repeating premiere and original. Saying it once is more than adequate. Premere is an overused marketing/newspaper word to try to get readers to read the story/ad. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:23, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

@Ssilvers I'll leave it to you to trim anything you perceive as extraneous or not needed. I trust your editorial eye. I am going to be taking a break for the next hour and then will be back to do more. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

On 1 August 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Broadway Jones (performer), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Broadway Jones refused to join the original production of the musical Show Boat due to low pay, despite the song "Ol' Man River" being created for him? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Broadway Jones (performer). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Broadway Jones (performer)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4! I've created a discussion on the material you added regarding House of Dracula and its music on its talk page (Talk:House_of_Dracula#Music_credit_in_the_infobox). Let's figure it out together! :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:25, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Hey there 4meter4. I was just wondering if you could see if there's more information about Hagen out there that could be added to her article. Maybe sources that talk about her early life or personal life. Does such information exist out there, or does the article mention all that there is? If material exists out there, would you be okay with expanding the article with it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:52, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 She’s too young to have made it into reference works or academic publications. The best references are likely in recent German or Austrian newspapers and magazines. Gerda would be in the best position to read and locate those. I’m not particularly interested in writing on emerging cellists; particularly ones requiring access to German language publications that are often behind paywalls. I prefer to work on 19th and 20th century performers. The few contemporary artists I do write on are ones where I know good materials exist in accessible places to me. 4meter4 (talk) 22:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I see. I was asking because she was quite upset about how the nomination turned out, and I was telling her that I was open to the nomination being reopened if "hooky" information about her could be found and her article was expanded. As it stands though, given how she said she did not want to include "private" information and she respected individual privacy, that seems unfeasible at this stage. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:45, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 I admire your diligence at DYK review. Here are a few interviews: , , . Perhaps the most interesting thing that could be said in a hook is that she never studied cello with her father who is a famous cellist (see last source). She has won top prizes as a cellist at competition and has fairly significant concert career at present. It is somewhat surprising that the family gift was not passed down from father to daughter (other than genetically). Not sure how to fit that concept into a hook. Feel free to pursue this if you want, but I am going to remain uninvolved. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Unfortunately, her father does not have an article on the English Wikipedia as of right now. Given how she would probably decline any angle that has to do with her family, or maybe anything that has not to do with Arte, it might be for the best for it to remain closed.

I do have one last question though. Is her being featured on Arte as big of a deal as Gerda says it is? I imagine most of our readers have never even heard of Arte, let know if it's important or not, but as you are in the classical music business, I was wondering what you think of Arte, Hagen performing there, or really performing there in general. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:01, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 Her recital was filmed for television broadcast on Arte. Arte is an EU equivalent to PBS in America or the BBC Four in the UK; it's free government funded TV. Not many classical instrumentalists get a recital filmed for TV broadcast, so yes I would say it is a significant achievement. Only artists at the very top of their profession get chosen for that kind of attention. That said, readers outside of certain parts of Europe are likely unfamiliar with Arte which is broadcast (in six different languages) only in Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Monaco, Austria, Tunisia, and Switzerland. On the German wikipedia it would certainly read to its audience like it is a big deal because the countries with significant German speaking populations all broadcast Arte to the public. On the English wikipedia not so much, because our readers won't have the same background knowledge. I don't think that fact works for our purposes. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:55, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

I read some of it, and it is appallingly written -- the equivalent of People magazine, at best. I'm not objecting to citing it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to do so. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:30, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Ssilvers I agree. However, I have actually caught several factual errors because it had the right information (confirmed to newspaper archives) over bad content in more professionally wirtten sources that contained errata. So... It's better than nothing, and often better than what our articles are currently saying about some of these people. (some making claims that they had their stage debuts much later than when they actually started performing for example because their obituaries had poorly written career summaries containing errors). Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:40, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes. Obituaries are often not the most accurate sources, as they are prepared in some haste and may not reflect thorough research and considered, objective conclusions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, 4meter4,

I happen past your User talk page and noticed that you have almost 300 discussion threads here. Any chance I could persuade you to archive the older messages and notifications from years ago? It would make navigating this page easier, especially for editors who are using mobile devices which might crash when they try to load this page. Just a suggestion. Happy editing! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:31, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

On 19 August 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jacques Presburg, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Broadway musical composer Jacques Presburg led a popular jazz orchestra in Berlin prior to his 1943 death in Auschwitz? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jacques Presburg. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jacques Presburg), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4, would you be so kind and do the merger? You were one of the editors who recommended merging, and I don't believe I possess the necessary skills to perform it myself. I thank you in advance for your help. Regards, MattSucci (talk) 23:28, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

@MattSucci: I took care of it.4meter4 (talk) 23:38, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. MattSucci (talk) 23:44, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Hey there! I was just wondering if you could take a look at the article and the person and see if anything more can be found about him in reliable sources, particularly with regards to his personal life and career. It has been nominated for DYK, but this is not a request for you to participate in the nomination, but rather if there is anything possibly usable in the article, or if not, if anything else can be said about him or can be elaborated on. As such, please respond here instead of at the nomination page. Thanks! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Greetings, maybe you would be so kind as to leave your thoughts at this AFD, if you have time. Regards, MattSucci (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

On 5 September 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Leontyne Price discography, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the recordings of Leontyne Price (pictured) have been nominated for 25 Grammy Awards and won 13? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Leontyne Price discography. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Leontyne Price discography), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so so much - it's been a such a great joy of my last few years to have discovered the incredible Ms Price. No Swan So Fine (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

@No Swan So Fine You are so welcome. I myself have only dug in to her records this last year. I had watched YouTube clips of her Leonora and Aida performances previously, but hadn't delved into her recordings until a few months ago. She has brought me a lot of joy too. What a great person and what a voice! If you want to hear her talk about her life and carer this is a fantastic lengthy interview with the editor of Opera News.4meter4 (talk) 14:51, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

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A soprano pictured on DYK, a soprano and a composer and a bassoonist on RD, and a composer with the pic of the day: a good day for classical music! - that is thanks to you because the pic of her face crowns it all. Thank you for the articles (bio and discography) and for the link to the interview. - If you follow to my story, there's a link made in memory of the other soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Thank you so much Gerda. And thank you for the copy editing and help at DYK. It is much appreciated.4meter4 (talk) 16:39, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, and good stats also ;) - I enjoy a DYK that also pictures a person together with achievements in art, - such a thing seems possible again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Can I interest you in my 100th biography to the Main page in 2025, Siegmund Nimsgern? - I debate with myself to try GA for him. Would you have a hook idea? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

On 14 September 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hilda Clark (soprano), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that operetta soprano Hilda Clark appeared in a print ad (example pictured) as the "first [Coca-Cola] ambassador"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hilda Clark (soprano). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Hilda Clark (soprano)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi. Can you point me to the policy or guideline that forbids putting speedy deletion tags on articles while they are nominated for AfD? I have done this quite a few times previously and the articles have been speedily deleted; you're the first to object. And when I placed the speedy deletion tag, the AfD notice was still there, just below the speedy tag Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 12:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• @SunloungerFrog As long as the template doesn't make the AFD notice disappear I think its fine. Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:01, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Right, and it didn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lewis_Blake&direction=prev&oldid=1311693202 has the AfD notice underneath the speedy deletion notice, at least for me. It didn't disappear. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 13:04, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

I reverted my edit. Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:07, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi there,

Thanks for your participation with the AfD regarding a legacy fantasy article
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/New_Orleans_Squadron

The goings on at this time are worthy of being documented properly, rather than making stuff up. To this end, I've created the following article. New Orleans station (US Navy)
I had no idea that it was effectively superseded by a new facility at Pensacola.Keith H99 (talk) 18:36, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• @Keith H99: Good work! That is so much better than what we had before. You should take it to WP:DYK.4meter4 (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks for the tip, the article still needs improving.

  As for the other article

  Afterward, new ships were stationed at New Orleans which engaged in counter-piracy operations for over twenty years. The New Orleans Squadron was eventually merged with the Home Squadron.

  This is pure fantasy, and in my opinion, very disrespectful to those men based in Pensacola that succeeded in eradicating piracy.Keith H99 (talk) 01:29, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Matthew Vickers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:52, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

On 1 October 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Josephine Hall, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that musical theatre actress Josephine Hall (pictured) became famous for performing a song that she purposefully sang high and off-key? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Josephine Hall. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Josephine Hall), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

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Thank you for another unusual bio! - My story today is about a woman and her husband who played Bach's Sonatina for us (Rheingau Musik Festival, long ago) on an upright piano, and it made me cry, and I still remember. Can you believe that this was a real DYK, in 2019? - not saying what she did at age four, or how many times she played some piece, or what she did before turning to the piano ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

Good news (I think): today we have an opera singer DYK that shows her as a thinking person ;) - see also video. The nomination wasn't by me, which probably helped. I didn't see her, but the Carmen production at the Bastille Opéra that she was in last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Margaret Medlyn! (I found the article - not by me - when searching for someone whose birthday is today.) - I took a cat pic, presented by Rosiestep today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

On 22 October 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sarah Fischer (soprano), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Sarah Fischer (pictured) sang excerpts from the title role in Carmen for the very first televised BBC broadcast of opera music? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Fischer (soprano). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sarah Fischer (soprano)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the article! - I came to tell you that I began the cellist's article, but see that you noticed already. I pinged you to the first version, - no refs, still an external link that I hadn't checked but was no longer working ... - It's getting better, and listening and reading interviews is interesting! You are welcome to add refs. The German article knew of one recording only and described it as if he played only one of the concertos ... The Henze premiere deserves mentioning. There must be reviews. - I have now to look at the two composers with a birthday today (70) and tomorrow (100), - no edit conflicts for Richter ;) -–Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi again! Any chance you might be willing to change your recent delete votes for Dragula contestants to redirects as an ATD? There's no point in deleting the pages altogether when the redirects serve a purpose. Thanks, --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:48, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

@Another Believer This is probably canvassing. You can discuss things with people on the AFD page, but if you go try to rally up support or opposition elsewhere, that can be considered canvassing. I would suggest deleting this. Metallurgist (talk) 19:11, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

@Metallurgist I am asking an editor to change their own vote(s) from delete to redirect, as an ATD. That's problematic? For context, my comment is related to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abhora, where 4meter4 was willing to add a comment that a redirect as an ATD was fine. By posting here, I was just asking if the same comment applied to similar bios currently being discussed at AFD. I mean no harm!, but if I've done something wrong, please accept my apologies. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:27, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

I am not an admin, so I cant make that call, but it caught my attention. You could mention your preference on the AFDs of interest, altho some closers dont like pressure campaigns. You could comment that you feel a redirect is a good ATD. Just some friendly advice while I was posting below. Metallurgist (talk) 19:32, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

@Another Believer forgot to @ you Metallurgist (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Ok! I'm still not sure what I've done wrong, but 4meter4 is welcome to remove or collapse this section, if preferred. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:43, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

@Another Believer I am not sure either. I just thought it worth warning you. ←Metallurgist (talk) 17:34, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

OK, all good! I'm not worried. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:37, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

Since you found the sources, do you want to add them to the List article and then do an RM? If not, I will add it to my project list. Metallurgist (talk) 19:09, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

On 4 November 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jean Bonhomme, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that tenor Jean Bonhomme played for seven years on his university's Canadian football team before becoming an international opera star? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jean Bonhomme. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jean Bonhomme), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

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On 14 November 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nat Horne, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that choreographer Nat Horne's father, a Baptist minister, opposed dancing, and Horne began his dance training by sneaking out of Saturday-night prayer meetings? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nat Horne. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nat Horne), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello! I'm in the process of analyzing recent changes data, and I came across some strange technical element across all your (and a few others') edits. If you don't mind, can you tell me if you are using any scripts or gadgets that modify/augment the editing process, the skin you are using, and also if you have JavaScript disabled? Again, this is not a bad thing, just something I haven't found a way to explain yet. Thanks, Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:36, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

It's probably because I am editing in the original version of wikipedia. I never switched over to Beta or whatever it is called because I don't like it. Many old timers like me still edit in that old version. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:45, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Interesting. Can you explain what you mean by It's probably because I am editing in the original version of wikipedia? Do you mean you use the Vector Legacy skin? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:48, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea. I'm not versed in techno speak. You are asking questions in an area that I'm not knowledgable in. All I know, is that the version of wikipedia I use is older because I prefer editing in that version and chose not to go with the updated format. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:54, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

I've done some testing and this happens if you have the "Enable the editing toolbar" option unchecked. This might be a MediaWiki bug; thanks for letting me narrow down this issue. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:59, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

You are welcome.4meter4 (talk) 02:05, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

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Today I have three biographies on the main page (one soprano), in memory, miss a fourth one, nominated a fifth (a bass-baritone), that means little time for other matters. My places now include La Scala, - see music, Verdi three times, and twice in my story! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

A recent death, Richard Branson's wife, likely not notable in her own right though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:35, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

DaniloDaysOfOurLives has given you a turkey! Turkeys promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a turkey, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy Thanksgiving! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 20:13, 26 November 2025 (UTC) Spread the goodness of turkey by adding {{subst:Thanksgiving Turkey}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

An article you created, Abduhashim Ismailov, has been nominated for deletion. I believe you should have been notified, but that does not appear to have happened. The AfD is: WP:Articles for deletion/Abduhashim Ismailov. ResonantDis_tortion 14:05, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

On 1 December 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Foresters Music Hall, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in his early career Charlie Chaplin was booed and heckled with thrown oranges and coins until he left the stage of Foresters Music Hall? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Foresters Music Hall. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Foresters Music Hall), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Anabel Montesinos. The reviewer has raised concerns about the sourcing in the article. Since you are an expert when it comes to classical music sources, I am asking your feedback on whether or not the reviewer's notability concerns have merit, and if the Gramaphone review is sufficient to prove notability. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:00, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, 4meter4,

For the future, if you want to make a bundled nomination, follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to nominate multiple related pages for deletion. It's more complicated than a single article nomination because I don't believe you can use Twinkle to set it up. Or you can use Twinkle to set up a one article nomination and then add your other articles to that nomination.

I see a lot of incorrectly bundled nominations and the important thing to remember is that you can't just add a list of articles, there is a special format you have to use or our AFD closing tool XFDcloser, won't recognize it as a bundled nomination. It's actually not that difficult to do and once you do it once, you won't have to read the instructions again.Happy editing Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:12, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

On 4 December 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Antonie Mielke, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that an on-stage incident traumatized Antonie Mielke so much that she retired from opera? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Antonie Mielke. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Antonie Mielke), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

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On 10 December 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Margaret Jane Wray, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 05:05, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you for providing expansion that offers insight in her work, letting us meet a great artist whose name I had not heard before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt You are welcome. I was able to fill in coverage of her work in the United States and a bit in Canada, but unfortunately I could only fill in a few details on her work in Europe. As an opera singer she did much more work in European theaters than in the United States; especially in the 1990s and 2000s. It would require digging through French, Belgian, Italian, German, and Austrian newspapers to source much of that content which I have little access to. In America she was of course well known for performing in The Ring in Seattle and at the Met, but was otherwise mostly a performer in concerts with orchestras. I know she did several operas in Berlin, Frankfurt, and Munich for example but its just a matter of finding sources for those. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:00, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Can't find her performances in Germany in German newspapers. Grimes2 17:26, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

• @Grimes2: If it helps. Opera Base (which I've found to be 99% accurate; but wouldn't use as a source given its artist submitted) and paywalled for its archive has her with these credits which I can't confirm yet elsewhere:

• Salzburg Festival in August 1993 as Calypso/Penelope in Ulisse
• Teatro Massimo Bellini in March 1998 as Leonore, Fidelio
• Théâtre du Capitole (also called Opéra national du Capitole) in April/May 1999 as Sieglinde in Die Walküre
• Théâtre du Capitole in October 2000 as Elisabeth, Tannhäuser (Wagner)
• Berlin State Opera in February 2001 and in October 2003 as Chrysothemis in Elektra
• Austin Lyric Opera in January 2003 as Sister Helen Prejean, Dead Man Walking
• Opéra de Nice in January/February 2003 as Sieglinde in Die Walküre

I know she has more credits than these because I can see snippet views of cast lists in google books (such as for Donna Elvira). One of these also indicates she may have sung Donna Anna in Don Giovanni at Theater Basel in 1991. From snippet views it seems she was active with Opera Frankfurt periodically from 1994-1999. It's likely she was a replacement singer in productions that had already premiered with different casts because these often don't get reviewed and aren't even included in opera base many times. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:59, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I found this which suggests she was Freia / 3rd Norn / Gutrune in a joint Ring production of Théâtre Royal de la Monnaie / Gran teatre del Liceu / Oper Frankfurt in 1991/92. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Toronto 2013 Isolde --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

She is eligible for DYK, thanks to your expansion, - up to you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Laughter for Christmas - enjoy the season! Thank you for your "card" and wishes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

On 22 December 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article J. Harry Benrimo, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that actor and playwright J. Harry Benrimo has been described as a "central and versatile figure in Orientalist theater"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/J. Harry Benrimo. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, J. Harry Benrimo), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

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Its Christmas... and its the end of 2025. I looked at the recent new images I'd loaded to commons and found the amazing sculptor Denise Dutton, the Scottish scientist Heather Cubie who reduced cervical cancer in Scotland and Malawi, Rebecca Danicic who is one of over 250,000 photos freely licensed by Helen Jones and her husband, South African presenter Ayanda Charlie, Mary Annie de Burgh Burt whose biog was created at December's Women in Red editathon in Edinburgh, some Dorset elves by Helen Jones, Emily Gerard who explained the Dracula idea to Bram Stoker and Dr Catherine Chavula who intends to increase the profile of Malawian women. These are ones from December. How many more will we discover in 2026? Thank you for your company. Merry Christmas to You and Every One. - Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 15:38, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

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Hi there! Thank you for your recent edits to the Deaths in February 1982 article. Could you please fix the red error you accidentally introduced in reference #154? Thanks and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

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300 years ago, a Bach cantata was born: happy new year! - Could you perhaps add sources to Ortrun Wenkel? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the soprano DYK, - such a substantial article! I don't get to opera, - too many die, three on today's main page, all three hard to expand, especially the one who died so young, - click on music. For fun, click on story and listen, - it's full of surprises. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

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I have add some photos on Deaths in May 1982 to December 1983 articles respectively, so you can expand content for these articles in future. ~2026-10419-8 (talk) 05:17, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

On 8 January 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Franz Wilczek, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Franz Wilczek played a violin made of wood from a table that was handcrafted generations earlier by Native Americans? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Franz Wilczek. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Franz Wilczek), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:02, 8 January 2026 (UTC)

On 10 January 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sherry Zannoth, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Sherry Zannoth was the assistant to the director of the Mystery Writers of America when not working as an international opera star? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sherry Zannoth. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sherry Zannoth), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

On 18 January 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Eugene S. Bonelli, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a historian described Eugene S. Bonelli as San Francisco's "most eminent early musician" who was a "performer and instructor, with just a dash of quack doctor thrown in for good measure"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eugene S. Bonelli. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Eugene S. Bonelli), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4. Thanks for finding that Toronto Star link—it was a huge help. Star Mississippi has userfied the article to Draft:Mark Bowden (English author). I'm adding that source and the bestseller proof now; if you have a moment to look it over once I'm done, I'd value your perspective. ~2026-66062-2 (talk) 15:35, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-66062-2: Ok. Drop me a note when you are ready. I would encourage you to create a user name/page as it makes communicating easier. Make sure to create a name compliant with Wikipedia:Username policy. A hint, I would not use any self published or PR materials when building an article. Cite only sources with by by-lined journalists or academics. A brief article built from these is more likely to pass than the sort of article that was built earlier from non-independent materials. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:39, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4, this is Mark (formerly ~2026-66062-2). I have created a permanent account as suggested.

I completely accept your advice regarding "brief and by-lined." I am going to strip the draft down significantly to focus purely on the facts supported. I will ping you once that cleanup is done. Thanks again. MarkBowdenAuthor (talk) 16:30, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Update: I have finished the cleanup. Per your advice, I removed non-independent sources. I have integrated the Toronto Star, Adweek, and bestseller verifications. It is much shorter now and relies strictly on the factual sources. If you have a moment to glance at Draft:Mark Bowden (English author), I would appreciate your feedback. MarkBowdenAuthor (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Sorted now, I hope. I've just rejigged that bit. Let me know if there are further issues. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 02:29, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

I have awarded you the Winnowing Fan Barnstar in recognition of your work on the backlog of unreferenced articles. Stifle (talk) 09:32, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

On 25 February 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Burton Miller, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Academy Award nominee Burton Miller was the first costume designer elected to the governing board of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Burton Miller. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Burton Miller), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

HurricaneZeta^C 12:03, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on File:Burt Shevelove.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a non-free file from a commercial source (e.g. Associated Press, Getty Images), where the file itself is not the subject of sourced commentary. If you can explain why the file can be used under the non-free content guidelines, please add the appropriate non-free use tag and rationale.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. tjd (he) ^T/C 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

On 11 March 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Harold Orlob, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Harold Orlob was not credited as a composer of the 1909 hit song "I Wonder Who's Kissing Her Now" until he sued in 1947? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Harold Orlob. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Harold Orlob), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

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On 12 March 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article John Comfort Fillmore, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that John Comfort Fillmore perceived a "cosmic connection" between the music of Native Americans and music composed by Richard Wagner? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John Comfort Fillmore. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, John Comfort Fillmore), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

HurricaneZeta^C 00:04, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

On 15 March 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Martin-Smith School of Music, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Martin-Smith School of Music, according to one historian, was "one of the most important black musical institutions" in the United States? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Martin-Smith School of Music. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Martin-Smith School of Music), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

HurricaneZeta^C 12:04, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

Incredible, thank you so much. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:27, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

On 17 March 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sol Babitz, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that violinist Sol Babitz, a pioneer in historically informed performance, was twice evicted by the police from meetings of the American Musicological Society? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sol Babitz. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sol Babitz), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

HurricaneZeta^C 00:02, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

On 17 March 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Old Uncle Ned, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Stephen Foster's best-selling song "Old Uncle Ned" made little money for him due to the many pirated publications circulating in the marketplace? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Old Uncle Ned. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Old Uncle Ned), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

HurricaneZeta^C 00:04, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

On 29 March 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gwen Wakeling, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that costume designer Gwen Wakeling crafted Shirley Temple's on-screen image by working on 14 of her films? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gwen Wakeling. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Gwen Wakeling), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

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