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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Killing of Sheridan Gorman is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Kqol • talk 15:53, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

I did put evidence. For some reason its disproven it and not claiming its true. I hope its not bias ButteyFelicity (talk) 17:13, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

A page you created has been nominated for deletion as an attack page, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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How is it an attack page? Im not attacking the subject or the perpetrator. Im just using what the article said. ButteyFelicity (talk) 17:10, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Fram, Significa liberdade please note that Killing of Sheridan Gorman has been recreated. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:37, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

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Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:57, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

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Thanks for your contributions to Killing of Sheridan Gorman. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing as a live article at this time because needs sources to establish it meets WP:NEVENT and also does not run afoul of WP:BLP. See also WP:NOTNEWS.. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. S0091 (talk) 19:12, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi ButteyFelicity, I do not think you have any ill-intent but Wikipedia does have stringent policies and guidelines and because you are new you simply are not yet aware of them yet. Right now, the big one is to not name suspects of a crime, unless they are public person, like a politician, well-known business person or something like that, which this suspect is not. I have removed the name so please do not add it back. As it stands, I also do not think the article meets the notability guidelines. People are killed everyday and sometimes they even make headlines in the national news for a short time but what is needed is to show sustained coverage outside of the local area. Generally editors want to see national coverage which right now none of the sources meet. They are all local outlets, with only one being outside the Chicago area and that one is based almost entirely on the what the family says, therefore a WP:Primary source so not useful for notability,

You are welcome to continue to work on the draft and I strongly suggest submitting it for review rather than moving to back to mainspace (Article) yourself so you can get feedback. If you have questions about the draft or editing Wikipedia in general, you can ask at the Teahouse. S0091 (talk) 19:38, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. Im just passionate about getting information out there. You have been the only one understanding of the matter. And the guidelines yeah… though his name was out there already so i thought it was ok. Yes…you could say the same for Renee Good or Ashli Babbit though. Both people killed like ones everyday and are Notable for one event but also both demonstrate the failures of our government and country. Sheridan is notable for many things. Not for just being killed. She came in the time when Renee and Alex were killed by ICE agents and how discussions of Abolish ICE were becoming more mainstream since their deaths and how They finally left Minnesota….only for a month later a college student similar to Laken Riley and Mollie Tibbetts, to be allegedly murdered in cold blood by an illegal Immigrant. All three were young women with aspirations to live a bright and fulfilling life…only to be brutally murdered by Someone not supposed to be in our country. There is also another Wikipedia page mentioning her so who says she isn’t notable? The president and governor have commented on her as well. She has been in a press statement too.

Also before Sheridan’s Murder, Another Illegal Immigrant Killed an Air Force Veteran by pushing him into the Tracks of a Subway, bringing a new discussion against the ideology of Illegal Aliens. The Deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretti against the Deaths of Sheridan Gorman and Richard Williams.

4 deaths, two different Ideologies

Not ill intent someone suggested this for the talk page. Thank you again I’ll be better. ButteyFelicity (talk) 03:22, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Please see WP:RMCOMMENT, it will help to make the closer value your input more. Raskuly (🐰) 02:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

@Raskuly hi yes I am interested. Where shall I start? ButteyFelicity (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

You improved your !vote at Talk:Thousand Oaks shooting, I'm not sure what you mean. It was improperly formatted, and you made an entire other section about your argument, but you deleted that and formatted your comment. I assumed you had read WP:RMCOMMENT after my message here. Raskuly (🐰) 17:27, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Hello. I closed your discussion at the Killing of Renée Good article because you included accusations against a recently killed person. There is no evidence that she was a member of an organization named Antifa, which is a movement not an organization. There is no evidence that she attempted to run down a person. Please read WP:BLP. Wikipedia takes great care in contentious material about living or recently deceased persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced. O3000, Ret. (talk) 13:53, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

I never said there was any evidence. Its being taken out of context. It wasn’t accusations to say the least. I wasn’t demeaning her in anyway you think I was. All I was saying that both woman are the same in many ways most don’t like to talk about. You closing my conversation proves my point to a T. And I did find that the accusations were falsified digging into it. I just looked at what was said and wanted to add the information. ButteyFelicity (talk) 17:16, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi again, from looking at your request, it appears you are, at least in part, engaging in WP:Original research (your own analysis, conclusions, etc.) which is not allowed here. Also, one source you used is a letter to the editor which is not a WP:reliable source and the other was likewise an option piece so not useful for claims of fact (outside of that person's opinion which only useful if they are an expert and even so requires care). Wikipedia only summarizes what WP:reliable sources explicitly state. This is now the third time you have violated the WP:BLP policy. Like I have said before, I don't think you are doing so intentionally but we are at the point you really need to starting getting a grasp of them. If you have not already, you do need to read the BLP policy along with the others I link pages. If you have question, ask at the WP:Teahouse. S0091 (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Im read it. It basically was not accuse or diminish the victim or not accuse anyone unless proven otherwise or stated. And I am not engaging in Original Research. Its not my own opinion and Im summarizing what is stated in the articles I mention. If it looks like that Im trying not to plagiarize what is stated in the article.I have used articles that have been stated elsewhere. ButteyFelicity (talk) 18:30, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

But as I stated, two of the articles you used are not reliable sources for statements of fact. Then you go on to make statements that are not supported at all by the third source (no mention of far right, far left, Quanon, Antifa, etc.) so yes you are engaging in original research. No offense, if you don't why that is a problem and how that violates polcies, I can't help you. And not sure why you are bringing up plagiarism as no one has mentioned it. S0091 (talk) 18:48, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Sure ok. I will learn better. But I thought it was common sense to know antifa and Quanon were far right and far left organizations. But I get your point. I did read over the bits of how not to accuse and such. I brought up plagiarism since If I directly used what the article said- copy and pasted it wouldn’t help either. I’ll try and get better research to prove my point. Its just I don’t understand how my points and references don’t count while someone’s of Renee’s Birth do even though Pretti’s which is public, doesn’t count. ButteyFelicity (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

It's not 'common sense to know antifa... is a far left organisation', because it is not an organisation at all. (It's highly debatable whether QAnon is an organisation either.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:32, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

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Hi. Hope all is well

The articles are not to glorify or compare sadistic cases. The 'see also' section in Wiki. articles of this nature tends to add sterile links to aspects relevant to the case in question and not a glorifying gore, Reddit-like "which case is the worst" list of other cases of marked cruelty. (I am not saying that is your intention btw. Also, the Furuta case is not on my watchlist). These cases aren't even similar or related to the Likens case beyond levels of sadism. They have nothing to do with this case. A 1996 case of a British girl having her eyes gouged out and bound to a radiator in Manchester has nothing to do with a 1965 case in Indiana. I mean, perhaps a referenced mention of the Capper or Likens case on the Wiki. herd mentality section would be warranted?

If they stay, mark my words, within weeks or months, more and more cases of "which case in your opinion causes the worst nightmares" will be added. Of course if consensus goes against me that is fine. Kieronoldham (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Did not expect you to leave a message. Well I appreciate it.

Its nothing like that honestly. I'm not one of those “Oh this one is the worst or this and that” I just added on to case’s that were already there before. Its a more of see also similar murders and cases like this one. It’s not a competition at all and Im not one of those people who make tik tok edits.

But you are wrong (Not trying to be mean ) when you say the cases aren’t similar in nature at all. Sylvia Likens, Junko Furuta, and Suzanne Capper are very similar cases despite happening in three different countries and decades. All girls were tortured by a group of individuals who repeatedly tortured them and mentally abused them. Sylvia and Junko were also abused and I think sexually assaulted by other people brought in by their captors (The neighbors for Sylvia and The captors friends for Junko.) It didn’t happen with Suzanne though, with only one person who came in but was afraid to free her. They also severely disfigured all girls and set fire to Junko and Suzanne. All three cases showed America, Britian, and Japan, the depravity and senseless nature of the girls deaths. Thats why I grouped them together from the small bits others left.

I don’t think so honestly. Its just cases similar in nature and not comparisons like “this one is worst.” ButteyFelicity (talk) 23:35, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

You are welcome. Sorry I didn't reply earlier I wasn't pinged.

When you say you didn't expect a message from me I am sorry I did not leave one here the 1st time around (many times other editors have not done do so with me on these articles over the years regarding reversions or edit summaries).

This topic is not a palatable one even by the standards of true crime, so sometimes it does not keep/put you in the best mindset to engage with others on a "general chat" basis, or to delve deep into the mindset of a sickening case and then to briefly "jump out of it" to talk with others about what you want to put back in the sealed annex of your mind again when the time is right. That is a major reason why a lot of the time I do not talk on others' pages (not that >95% do with me either). Hope that makes sense.

I didn't think you were of the mindset of "compare this case to that on", or that your intentions were even in remotely in that direction - it is just what others may potentially wish to see as valid to add to this case if cases get added. There are lists like this one of certain cases on Wiki. If there was a list of cases of the nature you have referenced that would be a collective list of these cases that could be added? All the best on here.--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:39, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

No no its just that I didn’t expect anyone to chat with me reasonably on here. Most have been sorta “mean” and biased.

so your saying that you don’t like messaging others about these sensitive topics and than chat regularly if im correct? That is understandable. Have most been well “grifters”?

I don’t think that will happen honestly. I get your concern like you thought i was making a list of torture cases underneath hers. I just added those cases since they were in the see also section. I could remove Kelly Bates since the three cases I talked about involved like a “Mob” than one killer.

mainly they were in see also since I see them compared a lot and that they are cited to have same circumstances. ButteyFelicity (talk) 01:48, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

I have been on here 17 years - come November it'll have been eighteen years. No - believe me I am happy to chat and help/assist others on this topic or generally finding citations, creating infoboxes etc. but I detect the topic matter in question here puts people off talking with me (which I can understand). Then again, as the years go by trust me you will recognize other account names and what they devote time and focus to so can understand how preoccupied he/she/they are even if you get the occasional flyby revert of something you have added or adjusted... Can be off-putting at first but believe me you get to expect and (90% of the time at least) understand it. :)

I can't speak for others, but my experiences on here have largely been positive. Quite possibly one or two may have had ulterior motives in interacting with me over the years (chances are that may be true) but the vast, vast majority haven't I believe. I assure you I did not think you were making a list of cases of that nature. Maybe referencing Reddit was the incorrect example, but it only takes the wrong person (or editor) to see Reddit's discussion forums as something Wiki. should emulate. Happy to help here and there if I can.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:13, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Oh that would be nice actually. Topic matter of true crime? I’ve been having trouble making articles or finding reliable articles for them. I try to make it unbiased and more resourceful if you get what I mean. And i understand that. A lot has been undone by others.

No, no that’s completely fine. Considering there are some crazies from true crime, its completely understandable. ButteyFelicity (talk) 03:41, 21 April 2026 (UTC)