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You had added an argument of Bareh's claim in some articles.

"Other scholars have pointed out that other river names such as Dibang, Dihang, Doyang and the like were mixture of Bodo di and -ong (Austric) which means water." (Bareh 1987:269–270)

Austric is proposed language family encompassing Austronesian and Austroasiatic languages. Neither "ong" means "water" in Khasi languages nor "ong" is Proto-Austroasiatic construction. Is it not a fringe theory? Does his claim belong to Wikipedia because he doesn't seem to refer any expert scholar? Northeast heritage (talk) 13:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

We go by sources. Your expert opinion does not count. Sorry. The notion that the Austroasiatic were settlers before the Tibeto-Burman is well settled. Chaipau (talk) 02:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC) (edited) 02:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I know the scholarly assumption that the Austroasiatics settled before the Tibeto-Burmans. I am not objecting this assumption which you advocate. Here I am objecting addition of fringe theory related to the names of rivers. Also, the source doesn't say Austoriasiatic, it says Austric but you interpreted Austric as Austroasiatic in the articles.

@Austronesier: Would you like to comment on this? Northeast heritage (talk) 05:01, 6 February 2023 (UTC) Northeast heritage (talk) 05:07, 6 February 2023 (UTC) (edited)

Please have a look at this change as well as the discussion about this in the talk page. Such identifiers are unnecessary. - 117.201.119.23 (talk) 18:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I see some POV removal of content and sources in these articles, possibly a sock , especially the edit summary → "This inclusion is only done purposefully to Assamese alphabet only, not bengali." here isn't true when this line → based on the Bengali-Assamese script is present in in this article. Pining @Austronesier and Kwamikagami:. Thanks. - 117.201.115.79 (talk) 11:44, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I have reverted it further that is this one (looks like the same POV user), restored the ancestral script and have added the Richard Salomon source for it. I restored similar POV edits in another article, buut not sure about this. 117.201.118.14 (talk) 11:21, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, If the Author, J N Sarkar, of some chapters of "The Comprehensive History of Assam" is the same person as Jadunath Sarkar who died in 1958, Could you please tell me his original articles regarding those chapters? Actually, I don't have the book. Northeast heritage (talk) 06:56, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have them. Chaipau (talk) 12:19, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks anyways Northeast heritage (talk) 14:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Reading his thesis makes me feel like I am reading your arguments on Boro identity formation. http://gyan.iitg.ernet.in/handle/123456789/2261?show=full Northeast heritage (talk) 16:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@Northeast heritage, those are not "my" "arguments", but the sum total of findings from a plethora of academics in recent times. That section is profusely cited. Chaipau (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Agree. His thesis also discusses naming issues related to Boro and generic Bodo and such discussion might be helpful to some articles. Northeast heritage (talk) 16:46, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@Northeast heritage, thanks, I shall read it. The naming of Bodo/Boro is pretty much settled now, and we in Wikipedia have been following the lead provided by the linguists. Chaipau (talk) 16:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome.

According to CNRS Brahmaputra research group, Dimapur's brick gate was built in 17th or 18th century. Have you seen it earlier? Northeast heritage (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

That, unfortunately, is not WP:RS, even though it is more plausible. Chaipau (talk) 10:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Do you have any solid evidence regarding this ? If you don't have any evidence for you claim, Please avoid nurturing prejudice. Northeast heritage (talk) 19:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I have used Urban and other recent authors. There is much research that is happening here. But I do see what you are trying to do here. Chaipau (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I am not disputing what you have used. I had provided an alternative, if that is not acceptable , I am not pushing POV.

Nothing personal. I am following WP:P&G. Northeast heritage (talk) 20:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

The alternative is very old and not endorsed by recent authors. That is why it is not a viable alternative. The current convergence rests on a wide variety of evidences. But if it is indeed of Boro origin, then then the new evidence has to be extraordinary and better than the current evidence. Chaipau (talk) 20:25, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I understand the research problem but field-works by scholars like Ramirez will definitely make things clear.

If you read Bareh's thesis then you will find he claimed not only Kamakahya but also Hidimba, Sri-rajya, Manikya etc. You can understand the type of scholar he is.

And I appreciate your hardwork in maintaining good quality articles related to Assam. However, Your understanding seems to be largely based on The Comprehensive History of Assam by HK Barpujari and these sources are also extension colonial knowledge Northeast heritage (talk) 20:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

That is not true. I consult very many authors. The most important in this case is Urban, of course. But what he has said agrees with anthropologists, linguists, and political scientists and also geneticists. So, taken together, this builds up a rather solid picture of our past. Chaipau (talk) 20:56, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Urban cites Bareh 1967. Before Bareh, Kakati invented the Austric origin of Kamakhya, however it was criticized by Chatterjee.

R M Nath also invented an formation from Austri

Do you know the Dimasa prayer about their journey? That prayer mentions Kamakhya as transient point. There is some similarities between Dimasa prayer and Bareh's folk story.

Anyways This is a historical problem.

Good night 😴 Northeast heritage (talk) 21:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I shall not directly address the Kamakhya issue now because I know your position on this and what you are trying to do. But since you mentioned Ramirez, I shall just mention a paragraph from him:

Tribe-by-tribe depictions of the North-East undoubtedly stem from a nineteenth century European vision of human diversity which in many aspects converged with local representations. In this respect, colonial censuses have greatly contributed to the freezing of categories although its precise role in ethnogenesis has recently come under debate.

So, Ramirez in fact does not come to your rescue. He refers to the work of a number of authors with this claim. What is in debate in the precise role the colonial process played in ethnogenesis, not whether it actually did. Daimari says in the very first page of his thesis:

Colonial knowledge production and classificatory practices assigned a place for the Boros within a racialised hierarchy.

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So, he too agrees with Ramirez. The best he could say about what existed before is:

Prior to the coming of the British and being subjected to their ethnological inquiries and census enumerations, Boros were, what could be termed as a 'fuzzy' but 'practically precise' community sharing kinship ties in the Northeastern region of the Indian sub-continent.

Though part of this claim is correct, other parts run into the primordialism problem that Austronesier had pointed out last year. No matter how much you try to back project these categories, you will continue to run into this problem here in Wikipedia for a very good reason. Chaipau (talk) 00:32, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Your claim prove that you don't understand primordialism. When a scholars writes about Identity Construction of a social group, He doesn't endorse primordialism. Identity formation is dependent on historical process. Historian will find out when an Identity formation began. Northeast heritage (talk) 05:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

You asked me to search for Kamaika (phonetically Khamaikha) in a PhD thesis which is all about Bathouist version of Bathouism. There is no mention of a single Hindu deity. Also it is folkloristic study, foklores are continuously being made and remande. There is be no mention of Khamaikha (Kamakhya) because She is now part of Hinduism. I wasted my time searching for Her in PhD thesis.

I consulted a Boro researcher. He told that Endle and Hodgson mention about Ai-deo / Ai and C A Soppit in his book "An Historical and Descriptive Account of the Kachari Tribes in the North Cachar Hills: With Specimens of Tales and Folk-lore" mentions bato , Kamaika etc when he compares Boro pantheon with Dimasa pantheon. I varified Endle and Hodgson but I could not read C A Soppitt's book. Also Hodgson confirms that Ai means Kamakhya Northeast heritage (talk) 17:50, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is not good enough for Wikipedia. WP:OR, WP:RS, WP:WEIGHT, WP:DUE all apply here. You seem to be fishing for a reference.

If folk religions are made and remade, then it is possible that Ai itself is/was an external goddess. For all I see, Ai/Khamaikha has not been recorded/observed in recent times and this goddess is not part of the Bathou pantheon. This goddess is not even mentioned as a minor goddess. Bathouism itself is going through a re-imagination, which is part of the political process, which Narzary calls ethnic assertion. Wikipedia cannot take part in this political process (WP:PROMO), but only report on it. Chaipau (talk) 08:30, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Neither I claim this is enough for WP nor I am fishing for a reference. I simply thought you are interested to know about her. Sorry, I have done a great mistake of starting this discussion.

You can freely believe any possibility but Only the Historians expert enough to find out the plausibility. And for you kind information, Bathou is single god, There is no Bathou pantheon but Boro pantheon. BTW, Narzary reported on re-imagined and politicized Bathouism. Northeast heritage (talk) 09:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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	For obvious reasons . Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:16, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! It is a greater pleasure working with you. Chaipau (talk) 10:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Same here. Have at look at this, may be our old friend. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, it is regarding these additions. Do you think adding an unreferenced section tag would be a good idea? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I think it is best to just delete them. Only referenced people. Since many of these people could be living, we have other problems. They may or may not want to be known by their ethnicity or caste.

There are other problems. Where do we list Bishnu Prasad Rabha? He grew up with a Rabha family. But he was born into a Boro family. But he likely identified as an Assamese. His disciple called him a son-of-Kirata. What was he? Chaipau (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Assamese and Boro. Rabha only if self-identified.

I have reverted the edit. Maybe we need a discussion on policy elsewhere? Chaipau (talk) 21:07, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. What do you think of this change? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

i reverted it. Chaipau (talk) 12:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Don't understand what to make of these changes, possibly the user doesn't like some of them being referred to as languages. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:57, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. "Language" here means "speech" not a standard language. There is no need to replace "language" with "dialect".

But there are other problems. The "Bangals" are people from eastern Bengal and "ghotis" are people from western Bengal. Though there are "Bengali" speaking people in Assam, Assam is not part of Bengal. So those parts in Assam also have to be removed. Only the Karimganj district was originally part of Bengal. The Hailakandi and Cachar districts of the Barak Valley were not part of Bengal. Chaipau (talk) 18:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the relevant changes in those articles. Have a look at this and this, thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing them out---reverted. Chaipau (talk) 12:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks again. This user with their 'canned summaries' again. While POV is there, in this case it looks like they tried replicating the source quote, though the flow of the sentence is a bit off IMO. What do you think? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Reverted. I think the original text is good since it has been vetted. If it is not the vetted form, then we should go back to the vetted form. Chaipau (talk) 19:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

See this please. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Looks like a new editor (from the empty talk page). I have reverted the GF edits. Chaipau (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

What exactly is the issue with the other editor here? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:22, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure what their issue is. It seems to be related to the Boro people. From my perspective, they just drop names like van Driem and claim these scholars prove their point. No matter how many times I quote these authors to show that the scholars prove just the opposite of what they claim, they keep repeating the same things over and over again. Chaipau (talk) 18:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Saw this? Maybe one of our old "friends"? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

I see that someone (or somemany) has been systematically changing texts and replacing the standard references with non-standard ones. The article has a long list of references and now they are un-cited---all hanging around doing nothing!

Yes, really looks like it. Chaipau (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Nuked this article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Please go through my edit summaries, I removed unsourced informations. Kindly assume good faith. Eduardo2024 (talk) 14:01, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eduardo2024: here is an example of you removing sourced material. I can see where you are coming from, but you need references to back up your claims. Chaipau (talk) 16:39, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

"I can see where you are coming from" what is this for? see the edit summary of this removal. I think we don't discuss racial theories in WP. Eduardo2024 (talk) 17:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

• When something is "poorly" sourced, you either insert a better source, or tag it {{bcn}}, unlike what you did here.
• And you replaced a cited text along with the citation.
• Here you removed cited text.
• Here you just removed cited text.

There are other edits which are problematic. Chaipau (talk) 19:59, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

• First source is not saying anything about Asamese Brahmins, second source is not reliable for caste articles. Also it is UNDUE.
• I replaced this non academic source with an academic one.
• Removed the first source as per WP:HISTRS and the second source only mentioned migration from Bengal not from other regions.
• I think it was a mistake from my side, it is relevant, thanks.

Eduardo2024 (talk) 20:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello,

You are invited to participate in a dispute resolution regarding contents of 2023 Manipur violence.

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#2023 Manipur violence Tms369 (talk) 05:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding this edit. Shouldn't we stick to the sources or are we suppose to be more precise as in the change. I mean it is entirely possible that other branches of AA or TB, like some form of Mundari or a non-Bodo-Kachari language may have been spoken in ancient Kamarupa. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I reverted that edit. Thanks for pointing it out. Chaipau (talk) 16:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Another one I noticed. Considering this users POV, I wonder whether this edit is in good faith. I mean, considering that it existed till 13t century (per the article), wasn't the language spoken then? Another one is this edit. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

He could be right on 13th century Bengali since Bengali is a Modern Indian language, whereas 13th century falls in the end of the Middle Indo-Aryan languages time period. So unless there is a specific reference that claims that a modern language, such as Bengali, was spoken in the 13th century, we should not be using that.

In the second edit, the same context applies. But I am also intrigued that Sanskrit is given in "common language". Was Sanskrit commonly spoken? Chaipau (talk) 20:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Sanskrit was possibly official and/or used in rituals and by the learned ones, similar other kingdoms/empires of that era. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Could you have a look at these changes -

1. First - some of the revisions seem logical but are Assamese a stateless nation, apart from what separatists orgs like ULFA thinks? 2. Second - highlighting one group Khacharis? 3. Third - this one looks like a logical edit but source seems to be emphasizing religion. 4. Fourth - This is OR, source explicitly mentions the 3 districts. Possibly needs to be reworded. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Chaipau, I will be mostly offline for about a week starting today. I hope you can take care of all the discussions where we are both involved. If agreements cannot be reached, please feel free to start RfCs. Thanks. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

OK, will do. I was busy but I shall set some time for this. Chaipau (talk) 12:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

OK, will do. I was busy but I shall set some time for this. Chaipau (talk) 12:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I am back now, but will take a while to get up to speed. Here is an inteteresting speech by CM Biren Singh. It doesn't seem to have been covered in the newspapers. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Welcome back.

Yes, not this speech, but the pre-violence writings in WP:RS did point to this as the central issue. There are other characterizations now which has been reported in the press---and I shall put some links in the article talk page. Chaipau (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Some heavy reading here. :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen a copy. He is generally a very thorough and meticulous historian. I found him very rigorous while researching for Buranji. It is sometimes easy to miss some significant findings he might have reported because he often omits giving too much context. I have some of his previous books. Chaipau (talk) 11:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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@Chaipau, hello, I am here to discuss regarding the historicity of Bagh Hazarika's wikipedia page. The whole page is devoid of any reliable sources, it's completely made of pov led e-articles which proves nothing about his originality or historicity of his character.

Please if you get some time to spare, read this thesis, Ch 8, page 299 to 301. https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/handle/10603/66700 Ch ComparingQuantities (talk) 07:42, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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Please have a look at these changes. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I made some changes after some digging. Thanks! Chaipau (talk) 21:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Is this them I wonder. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:28, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

It is possible, but this IP is more interested in promoting Ahom revivalism. Let us wait and see. Chaipau (talk) 12:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk, please do follow the discussion on Talk:Ahom kingdom. Thanks! Chaipau (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

See this move, as well as the accompanying change here. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

That is plain wrong. "sh" in Assamese is pronounced /x/. But "kh" is a different letter altogether. So the editor is trying to approximate the correct sound but got it completely wrong. Chaipau (talk) 22:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

It seems I had moved it to "Dex" in 2013. I do not agree with that move at all. We should move it back to State Anthem of Assam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_Anthem_of_Assam&action=history Chaipau (talk) 22:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, since we already have IPA-as mentioned in the lead, there is no reason to change Desh → Dekh. Actually changes the meaning ('country' to 'have a look'). - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. I have made the follow request: Chaipau (talk) 00:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at this. Are the language groups mentioned in the source? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I shall check. But the editor who removed it is our friend. Chaipau (talk) 11:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Is he our friend? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I replied. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I saw it. Let us go ahead. Chaipau (talk) 13:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at the 'bat' part. Do the indigenous communities eat them routinely. I noticed it after I did the cleanup work. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Wor... again. Both of these guys need to be blocked. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk, I have a suspicion that they have met here before, and we know them well! Chaipau (talk) 16:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Ofcourse. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I have started one both of them. Could you please have a look. I used to provide detailed rationale but I am short of time these days. Chaipau (talk) 15:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC) (edited) 15:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at this. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Is this correct? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at this and the page move. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:34, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk, yes this is OK. Toulmin used a different acronym in his later works and abandoned the one he used in his thesis. But I think there should be a note calling this out. Chaipau (talk) 09:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Sock edits. Revert or partial-rev? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the alert @Fylindfotberserk! We should remove all promotional material! Chaipau (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Seems like a sock of Wordain considering their Bhutan/Tibet related push in various NE articles. Pinging @Kautilya3: as well. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk, thanks. It could be. I shall keep watch. Chaipau (talk) 15:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at this removal. Tajpuria seems to be soured (Toulmin) but I couldn't verify the reference. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I verified the reference and restored the reference. Thank you for catching it! Chaipau (talk) 19:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at this. Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Reverted. Chaipau (talk) 16:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

This sock edit can be rev per INDICSCRIPT? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:46, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. I have since reverted with a note on the editor's talk page. I am not sure when we can solve this sock issue though. Chaipau (talk) 02:54, 2 February 2025 (UTC) (edited) 02:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Have a look at this and , can't read the source from the first one. This person has been pov-pushing since forever related articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:48, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

Have a look at these WP:RMUM moves by the user, apparently POV. Doesn't seem to follow commonname. Pinging @Austronesier:. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:42, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk, Obviously POV. We need to revert all moves in this class. Chaipau (talk) 18:13, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Note recent apparently disruptive WP:RMUM at by this user, - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:50, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

I have reverted the first. Concerning edits, I agree. Shall look at each of them. Chaipau (talk) 17:52, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Have a look at this removal. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Unexplained edit reverted. Chaipau (talk) 11:45, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

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can you tell me the location or whereabouts of the dagula kingdom mentioned in ming shilu? Mishimao (talk) 10:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

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Can you not change the information of bushu dima festival. It is not called bishu or bishow. its called bushu, only in one dialect which is called demra dialect its called bisu and in rest all its called as bushu Mishimao (talk) 06:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

There is excessive amount of quotes in citations of the article Mir Jumla's invasion of Assam. It's now a cluttered piece for ordinary readers, who usually don't navigate through quotes texts. Potentially undermining readability. While quotes are used in one or two citations to better understand the source, the Mir Jumla's invasion of Assam article has excessive large quotes.

Beylarbey (talk) 00:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

@Beylarbey, this is according to standard practice for sources that are not readily available - all in alignment with WP:V. But your complaint puzzled me. The citequotes appear in the Notes section, and readers do not see them unless they visit that section. They do not come in the way of readability of the article. Chaipau (talk) 16:06, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

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Im a Shylheti Bangali.not only me, but maximum of the people native to this Area culturally, Generically, linguisticly and the main ,they identify them as Bangali. So why without knowing about Bengali History you just put a regional identity in the ethnic Identity?? Fardin Fateh Ali (talk) 13:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Your view is represented in Wikipedia: .

"Sylheti is often dismissed as 'slang' or as a corrupted version of Bengali, even by some of its own speakers, for whom it is not a language in its own right." (Simard, Dopierala & Thaut 2020:4)

Chaipau (talk) 21:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

as like as others Bengali Dialects, people whom are illiterate they will say many thing's. Those can't be a reference . Dineshchondro sen, Sahidullah also many linguistics from Kachar and Shylhet recognise it as a dialect of Bengali. And if you take a glance on history of Shylhet you will see how Bengali we are. In the entire history, Shylhet was Separate from Bengal not more then 100 year's. And the people there are Bangali. The Paschinvagh Tamrosashon(cooper plate) of Shylhet tell that the Brahmmans are outsiders and they was given Land by the Deva Dynasty king of Bengal. And the local he called them Banghal(বঙ্গাল). Also the Sufi saints of Shylhet was famous in India by the name Bangali Baba. Fardin Fateh Ali (talk) 17:07, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

It is obvious that different opinions will exist---and so Wikipedia tries to resolve these differences via mechanisms, policies, etc. An important policy is WP:NPOV. Though I would suggest the whole article, I would ask you to focus on WP:WEIGHT. The issues you have raised are noted in the article, but they do not weigh the centrality of the article that way. The primary question was whether Sylheti was a dialect of Bengali or could it be a language on its own. It is opinion of most linguists that it was. Whether the native speakers consider themselves to be culturally Bengali is a different question, which is what you seem to be talking about. That could be addressed in a different article - Sylheti people. But here too WP:NPOV, WP:WEIGHT, and WP:RS will apply.

I would also suggest that you please go through the discussion in the Talk page.

Chaipau (talk) 15:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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Good day, Chaipau. I was keen to read this book, but looks like it's not accessible at least online. Can I ask you to share it? Of course if you have access to the book, Pardon if this is too much for a favour. Best regards. Heraklios 12:11, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

@HerakliosJulianus, I do have access to a hard copy of this book, which I cannot share. If it is crucial for your research, then you may have to seek out a hard copy yourself - may be it is available in a library nearby. Sorry, that is all I can offer now. Chaipau (talk) 12:46, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Understandable and thanks for the suggestion. Heraklios 13:48, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bengali-Assamese languases. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
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Template:History of Assam has been nominated for discussion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 10:23, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know, i removed your edits from "Barmans of cachar", where you were linking barman of cachar with barman kachari. Barman kachari are koch mandai,they are found in brahmaputra valley, they live next to koch and boro people. They speak barman thar language and again are koch-ic people. Whereas barmans of cachar is a completely distinct community. Ethnically they are dimasa, who identify and speak dimasa language grao dima not barman thar. They live in cachar, barak valley,more than 600kms away. The reason they are identified separately from mainstreams is because of cultural reason. The hindu converts amomg the dimasas from 19th century use barman surname. They are not barman kachari. Singh is a hindu common surname among meitei manipuris, doesn't mean they are Punjabis. And assam gov has officially recognized these dimasas from cachar as "barman of cachar" to distinguish them from barman kachari of brahmaputra. Pls don't confuse them again Mishimao (talk) 12:38, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

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The heading of the paper itself calls it western Boro dialect. Nowhere author conclude the language is significantly different. Author conclude the dialect differ in significant ways such as pronunciation of 'cha'. So please avoid such self-interpretation. Northeast heritage (talk) 14:52, 6 March 2026 (UTC)