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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019

Hello Citobun,
- Backlog
Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
- Coordinator
A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.
- This month's refresher course
Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.
- Deletion tags
Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon (you will need to have 'Nominated for deletion' enabled for this in your filters) may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders using Twinkle. They require your further verification.
- Paid editing
Please be sure to look for the tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. WMF policy requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.
- Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion
- Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves once more with notability guidelines for organisations and companies.
- Blank-and-Redirect is a solution anchored in policy. Please consider this alternative before PRODing or CSD. Note however, that users will often revert or usurp redirects to re-create deleted articles. Do regularly patrol the redirects in the feed.
- Not English
- A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, and if they do have potential, tag as required, then move to draft. Modify the text of the template as appropriate before sending it.
- Tools
Regular reviewers will appreciate the most recent enhancements to the New Pages Feed and features in the Curation tool, and there are still more to come. Due to the wealth of information now displayed by ORES, reviewers are strongly encouraged to use the system now rather than Twinkle; it will also correctly populate the logs.
Stub sorting, by SD0001: A new script is available for adding/removing stub tags. See User:SD0001/StubSorter.js, It features a simple HotCat-style dynamic search field. Many of the reviewers who are using it are finding it an improvement upon other available tools.
Assessment: The script at User:Evad37/rater makes the addition of Wikiproject templates extremely easy. New page creators rarely do this. Reviewers are not obliged to make these edits but they only take a few seconds. They can use the Curation message system to let the creator know what they have done.
DannyS712 bot III is now patrolling certain categories of uncontroversial redirects. Curious? Check out its patrol log.
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About issues concerning HK
Dear,
I have cited the proper sources for constructive editing on Wikipedia. Please refrain from deliberate vandalism. Meanwhile, as Wikipedia is a free one, please abide by the policy that anyone may edit it as long as the sources be cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mockingjay28 (talk • contribs) 09:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Mockingjay28: Please review the policies at WP:BLP and WP:NPOV. Secondly, the sources you are citing at Joint Declaration do not actually reflect the content you are adding, only the position of the Chinese gov't. Citobun (talk) 09:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
As illustrated in the declaration, HK is part of China under the basic law. Therefore, the Chinese government is the official one to state the status of HK, not the Group of 7, in which neither mainland China nor HK is involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mockingjay28 (talk • contribs) 09:22, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Mockingjay28: It's called "joint declaration" for a reason. The content you are adding is uncited and controversial. It's not Wikipedia's role to issue a judgement on this issue. Citobun (talk) 09:24, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
New Page Review newsletter November 2019

Hello Citobun,
This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.
- Getting the queue to 0
There are now 868 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox.
Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.
- Coordinator
Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.
- This month's refresher course
Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.
- Tools
- It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
- It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.
- Reviewer Feedback
Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13.
- Second set of eyes
- Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
- Do be sure to have our talk page on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.
- Arbitration Committee
The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights.
- Community Wish list
There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion.
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ArbCom 2019 election voter message
Kartikeya Sharma restored
As a courtesy, this is to notify you that an article you successfully nominated for deletion, Kartikeya Sharma, has been restored to mainspace with new information and sources. You may wish to examine the new version to see if you still have any remaining concerns regarding notability. SilkTork (talk) 11:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
New Page Review newsletter December 2019
- Reviewer of the Year

This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.
Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.
Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.
Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.
| Rank | Username | Num reviews | Log |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Rosguill (talk) | 47,395 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 2 | Onel5969 (talk) | 41,883 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 3 | JTtheOG (talk) | 11,493 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 4 | Arthistorian1977 (talk) | 5,562 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 5 | DannyS712 (talk) | 4,866 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 6 | CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) | 3,995 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 7 | DragonflySixtyseven (talk) | 3,812 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 8 | Boleyn (talk) | 3,655 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 9 | Ymblanter (talk) | 3,553 | Patrol Page Curation |
| 10 | Cwmhiraeth (talk) | 3,522 | Patrol Page Curation |
(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)
- Redirect autopatrol
A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.
- Source Guide Discussion
Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
- This month's refresher course
While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.
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Online Conference call for Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong in 2020
Dear Citobun,
Hi. This is 1233, a board member of Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong.
We will soon hold our first online conference call of year 2020 in the coming days. As a major part of preparation work [1] will be held in our Telegram group, we wish you to join us in Telegram and are also looking forward to your opinion.
Shall there be any inconvenience or requesting access [2] to access Telegram group, please feel free to contact me via email (i.e. william
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[1] Preparation work include finalizing the date and time
[2] You may also contact WhisperToMe for Telegram access
[3] Or other means if you can find me
Kind regards,
1233 on 09:33, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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About: Second online meeting of Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong in 2020
Dear Citobun,
This is User:1233 from the Hong Kong User Group.
We will be hosting our second online meeting on the Hong Kong User Group's Wikipedia Discord Server [1], where we will be discussing matters that weren't finalized at the last meeting. We will also be discussing the future of the User Group at the same time. Please join us on the server at that date. If you do not have a Discord account, please feel free to register one or contact me for more details.
[1]: Hong Kong User Group's Discord Server: https://discord.gg/7chaCt
Kind regards,
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Re:Tsim Sha Tsui station
If including such information, which is verifiable, is merely presenting political point of view, therefore has to be deleted, then Yuen Long and Prince Edward station has to do the same, otherwise it would be double standard.--owennson(Meeting Room、Certificates) 08:59, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- WP:NNC. Notability does not apply to the content within the article. Also, how much the media reported, how much the information I added. That is not any political viewpoint, that is a FACT. It HAPPENED. The station was destroyed, like it or not.--owennson(Meeting Room、Certificates) 12:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- Well... no, the station wasn't destroyed. Anyway, I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong to find consensus on this. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020

Hello Citobun,
- Source Guide Discussion
The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.
- Redirects
New to NPP? Looking to try something a little different? Consider patrolling some redirects. Redirects are relatively easy to review, can be found easily through the New Pages Feed. You can find more information about how to patrol redirects at WP:RPATROL.
- Discussions and Resources
- There is an ongoing discussion around changing notifications for new editors who attempt to write articles.
- A recent discussion of whether Michelin starred restraunts are notable was archived without closure.
- A resource page with links pertinent for reviewers was created this month.
- A proposal to increase the scope of G5 was withdrawn.
- Refresher
Geographic regions, areas and places generally do not need general notability guideline type sourcing. When evaluating whether an article meets this notability guideline please also consider whether it might actually be a form of WP:SPAM for a development project (e.g. PR for a large luxury residential development) and not actually covered by the guideline.
Six Month Queue Data: Today – 7095 Low – 4991 High – 7095
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March 2020
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at 2019-20 Hong Kong Protests. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.
- If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
- If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. WP:BOOMERANG Sleath56 (talk) 02:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Please don't post frivolous warning templates on my talk page. You are the one edit warring (three reverts and counting). Citobun (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Link issues - Tingyat
Pray tell, what are the problems with the External Links that I've attached to two or more Wikipedia page - in particular the one's you have just removed from Ghost Festivals and Sai Yeung Choi Street?
I hope you have very good reason for doing so. The photo galleries to which the links point contain images that are of significant interest and specifically relevant to each of those sections.
Looking forward to your comments and reasons.
TIA
Tingyat (talk) 06:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Tingyat most of your edits (going back to 2007) serve to add links to websites promoting the work of one particular photographer, hence it appears to me like a case of WP:EL#ADV. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a vehicle for promotion. In addition, the articles already have links to their respective Commons image pages, and the links you are adding seem to be outside the scope of what the external links section should contain. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 07:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Edit Warring
Hi, I'm EGL1234, and I wanted to inform you about a case of edit warring on the page "Kowloon". Although you are on the correct side of the argument (IMO), you are constantly reverting IP Account 100.12.216.122's revisions. If you carry on participating, you may be blocked by an admin.
I know how frustrating it feels when someone keeps reverting your edits, but instead, just tell an admin perhaps on the Teahouse to block them.
EGL1234 (talk) 03:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks User:EGL1234 for the notice. I only made one revert on that page. Anyway, I already reported the IP to ARV for edit warring after level 4 template warning & abusive edit summaries. Citobun (talk) 04:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you User: Citobun. I really appreciate your help. EGL1234 (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Monster Building
Hi. What do you mean by not public housing? The template was put into the original articles of the Monster Building's sub-blocks. Then why put this template into the article if it is not related? Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Teemeah: I removed the template from the article. It's not public housing. Citobun (talk) 09:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- I see that. Can you also tell what your problem is with the sources of the article? Did you actually check the sources? And what is it if not public housing...? Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Teemeah: The article claims things such as "because it is such a dense living space, it is difficult to have it demolished" which, from an engineering standpoint, makes no sense. So there should be better/more reliable sources attesting to such claims. Secondly, there should be more evidence that "Monster Building" is the common English name of this building. It just seems like a nickname among foreign instagrammers. I don't understand your last question about public housing. Citobun (talk) 10:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Article titles and naming conventions already describe that the subject should be called by the name it is most widely know at in English. I don't think anyone knows this building by its Cantonese name outside of HK. Whether it is instagrammers, Time Out Hong Kong, South China Morning Post or videos on youtube. There are other examples, like China Zun which is featured by its popular English name instead of its original Chinese name. Or Petronas Towers that deviates even from its official English name. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 20:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Upmerging proposed
Pease see my proposal to upmerge Category:Railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020 to Category:Railway stations in China opened in 2020 as we do not have categories for subnational divisions like railway stations in California opened in 2019 or railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020. And the categories by country should be restricted to those countries with a number of new railway stations in all or most years e.g at present only China, Canada, Russia and the United States. Hugo999 (talk) 21:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


















