User talk:Clenpr

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Here’s the thread:

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#IP improperly PROD'ing 50-100 software articles per week

—A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 23:04, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! Clenpr (talk) 10:53, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi Clenpr, if you're going to be reviewing pages and either tagging, improving, or nominating for deletion, then WP:TWINKLE will make your life easier (if you've not already installed it). In particular it (semi-)automates notifying page creators. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 02:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh yeah ... Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Alternatives_to_deletion is particularly useful to consider -- articles of limited notability may well be better served by some other remedy than deletion. Happy editing, ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 02:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! Clenpr (talk) 10:53, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Welcome! I just wanted to let you know that in the future when nominating articles at WP:AfD, be sure to include the appropriate deletion sorting tags. The easiest way to do this is through WP:TWINKLE as recommended above, but there are other ways at the WP:DELSORT page under scripts and tools. Happy editing! Qwaiiplayer (talk) 17:32, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

It's obviously causing problems for you to do this. Please, when doing a deletion nomination, at least say something beyond "fails WP:X" that gives some indication of what you did to research your nomination. Mangoe (talk) 12:16, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

I will not use this justification anymore. Clenpr (talk) 10:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Clenpr, based on the IP, the topic (old software) and the terse justification given in the PROD notice, I'm guessing this is another one of the many proposed software deletions you've made while logged out. If so, I'm letting you know I removed the PROD tag after adding references. Given Symbian's dominance of the mobile phone market (until iOS and Android) and Carbide's role within it, I was amazed to see this nominated. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 16:22, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the missing references. Could you link them to specific content on the page? Clenpr (talk) 10:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

I see you are nominating several articles claiming there are absolutely no sources. I also see you are creating them with less than 1 or 2 minutes between nomination and nomination. Please, see WP:BEFORE. There's no way you can assess all academic sources for a software term in 1 minute. This behavior is disruptive. MarioGom (talk) 19:16, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Also note that login and off to make edits to the same articles as an account as an IP may be considered abuse of multiple accounts. See WP:LOUTSOCK. MarioGom (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

I reviewed the articles list before starting the nomination process. I could not find sources. Clenpr (talk) 10:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: I have removed the PROD tag from this article. It was proposed for deletion by an anonymous editor using an Orange España IP. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 20:55, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the missing references. Could you link them to specific content on the page? Clenpr (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: I have removed the PROD tag from this article. It was proposed for deletion by an anonymous editor using an Orange España IP. I was surprised that anyone would tag this article for deletion since the Windows vs. OS/2 competition was such a big deal in its day. There was a lot of coverage. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:29, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the missing references. Could you link them to specific content on the page? Clenpr (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: I have removed the PROD tag from this article. It was proposed for deletion by an anonymous editor using an Orange España IP. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 22:00, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the missing references. Could you link them to specific content on the page? Clenpr (talk) 10:59, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: I have removed the PROD tag from this article. It was proposed for deletion by an anonymous editor using an Orange España IP. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 22:47, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the missing references. Could you link them to specific content on the page? Clenpr (talk) 10:59, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: someone else removed the PROD tag from this article while I was adding references. It was proposed for deletion by an anonymous editor using an Orange España IP. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 23:35, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the missing references. Could you link them to specific content on the page? Clenpr (talk) 10:59, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: I have removed the PROD tag from this article. It was proposed for deletion by an anonymous editor using an Orange España IP. It took only 30 seconds to find the first reliable reference with a Google Scholar search. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 18:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the missing references. Could you link them to specific content on the page? Clenpr (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: I have removed the PROD tag from this article. It was proposed for deletion by an anonymous editor using an Orange España IP. It took only 30 seconds to find multiple reliable references with a Google Books search.

See previous discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive370#IP improperly PROD'ing 50-100 software articles per week.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 18:38, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the missing references. Could you link them to specific content on the page? Clenpr (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: another editor removed the PROD tag from this article. It was proposed for deletion by an anonymous editor using an Orange España IP.

See previous discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive370#IP improperly PROD'ing 50-100 software articles per week.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:36, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

I see another editor redirected the page due to its lack of notability. Clenpr (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: another editor removed the PROD tag from this article and redirected it to Xamarin as an alternative to deletion. It had been proposed for deletion by an anonymous IP-hopping editor using an Orange España IP.

See previous discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive370#IP improperly PROD'ing 50-100 software articles per week.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:39, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

I see another editor redirected the page due to its lack of notability. Clenpr (talk) 11:04, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

FYI: another editor removed the PROD tag from this article. It had been proposed for deletion by an anonymous IP-hopping editor using an Orange España IP.

See previous discussion at:

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive370#IP improperly PROD'ing 50-100 software articles per week.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 00:03, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Other editors already concluded this article was not notable and needed to be deleted. Clenpr (talk) 11:04, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

I removed the "drive-by" PROD tag from this article and redirected it to USMobile as an obvious alternative to deletion per WP:ATD. It was yet another technology-related article proposed for deletion by an anonymous, IP-hopping editor using an Orange España IP.

See previous discussion at

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive370#IP improperly PROD'ing 50-100 software articles per week.

A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 15:45, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

I see another editor redirected the page due to its lack of notability. Clenpr (talk) 11:04, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Clenpr,

This is a collaborative editing project so it is essential to work with other editors and communicate with them. I notice that you have only made 2 edits to a User talk page and you have never replied to any of the messages here from editors wanting to communicate with you about some issue. In AFDs, you typically make the exact same comment, asking for sources, over and over again and not really engaging with other editors in a full discussion.

A lack of Talk page or User talk page messages often means that an editor can't communicate well in English but looking at your edits, this doesn't seem to be the problem here. However, a refusal to communicate with other editors, if absolute, leads to a loss of editing privileges so please get over your adversion to working with others. You can start by replying to your fellow editors here on your User talk page and then start discussing articles and policies with other AFDs beyond posing questions to them. We really try not to bite newcomers! Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

I'll add if you're still using Orange España IPs to PROD the articles above while logged out, it's not very collegial.

Some editors might even consider it borderline sock puppetry -- see WP:LOGOUT and WP:LOUTSOCK. I'm not personally accusing you of sock puppetry but this could get you crosswise with other editors. A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 01:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Sure, I will reply to every comment on the talk page. Clenpr (talk) 10:53, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

I removed the "drive-by" PROD tags from these articles:

1. Yenka
2. Microsoft Video 1
3. Vuforia Augmented Reality SDK
4. Traverso DAW
5. Wasabi (software)
6. QQLive
7. Trimension
8. XPlay

They were still more technology-related articles proposed for deletion by an anonymous, IP-hopping editor using an Orange España IP. Was that you?

The WP:PRODNOM procedure requests that editors proposing articles for deletion put {{Old prod}} tags on the article talk pages and notify the articles' creators and any other major editors using {{Proposed deletion notify}} tags. Editors should also use edit summaries (see WP:UNRESPONSIVE). These were not used.

I removed these tags since, based on the dozens of previous, similar PRODs, a substantial number of these were likely to either be notable or have alternatives to deletion.

Our deletion policy is quite clear that alternatives to deletion must be considered and rule out before an article is tagged for deletion using any deletion method.

Once the PROD tag is removed, an article cannot be proposed for deletion again and any subsequent deletion first requires discussion at WP:AFD.

Reference:

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive370#IP improperly PROD'ing 50-100 software articles per week

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:43, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! Yes, those articles do not seem to be notable. I will create WP:AFD for them. Clenpr (talk) 09:08, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

I think you should log in and use WP:TWINKLE for PRODs, if only to stop them being declined on technicalities. They're good noms and shouldn't be sent to AfD unless there is an actual objection. REAL_MOUSE_IRL talk 10:09, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

On the other hand, at least 3 of those are clear merge/redirect candidates (remember WP:ATD...) ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 11:10, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

The problem with non-notable articles is that redirects need some content on the redirected article. And these articles have none, as they are not-notable. Clenpr (talk) 12:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

• Wasabi (software) = Winamp#Winamp3
• Microsoft Video 1 = Video for Windows (if it weren't a quick keep at the recent AFD)
• Vuforia Augmented Reality SDK =PTC Inc.#Vuforia
• Trimension = WinDVD#Video playback

Technique:

1. Read the article
2. See what non-list and non-dab articles it links in its body, and look at how the topic is mentioned there
3. See what any other incoming links there are (from the Tools>What links here menu) and see how this topic is mentioned and linked from there
4. Consider whether the article should still appear in a list article or dab or similar

^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 12:55, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

The Wasabi and Trimension examples are passing mentions where merging the content (after digging up sourcing to verify that information for the first time in 20 years) would be undue. They're also common enough names that WP:RETURNTORED surely applies. REAL_MOUSE_IRL talk 14:33, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

REAL_MOUSE_IRL:

• Wasabi (software) is contextually -- if briefly -- covered over two paragraphs at Winamp#Winamp3. It's linked from both List of user interface markup languages and Wasabi (disambiguation) and it's reasonable for both of those to continue to list Wasabi even without it having an article.
• Trimension is listed as a component at WinDVD, so given there's no Trimension (disambiguation) a redirect there would be reasonable. As you indicate, however, the term appears to have multiple contexts even here on enwiki so conversion to WP:DAB should also have been considered.

RETURNTORED (WP:Redirect#d10) begins "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article...", and Clenpr by their noms is essentially arguing that this isn't the case for the current topics; if that's true I don't see that this applies for Wasabi given is disambiguated. Trimension maybe particularly if DAB doesn't work. I don't think your RETURNTORED position is unreasonable, mind, but Clenpr's cursory deletion nominations ("Fails WP:GNG") do not evidence the consideration needed to justify RTR -- if there could appear to be a reasonable alternative, the deletion nomination should really cover why deletion rather than that alternative is preferable. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 03:14, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi there. You were warned by @MarioGom in May about the importance of doing WP:BEFORE searches when nominating articles for deletion, but in the past week you have nominated 17 pages for deletion, often moments apart, with the same two-word rationale (Fails GNG), with zero evidence that you have done a BEFORE search. In one case, Cunard easily supplied sources that likely could have been found prior to the nomination. Your behavior wastes our volunteer time and is disruptive, particularly since you have been warned about it. Please stop, and consider withdrawing these disruptive nominations. And if many of these subjects are non-notable (no reason they wouldn't be, but you need to do a BEFORE to know), an easier alternative than AfD that wastes less volunteer time, particularly on an old badly sourced article that hasn't been touched in years, is to follow the steps at WP:BLAR to redirect it to an appropriate target. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

I do WP:BEFORE in multiple articles and then I submit them for deletion. It is not easy to find sources for these non-notable articles. Buy submiting them for deletion I hope any of the editors that did not provide sources for the content they added, can add them now. Clenpr (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Clenpr: I would like to reiterate the importance of doing a WP:BEFORE and posting your thoughts on the deletion page (not just, "fails GNG"). Even for what seems like a clear delete such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rachana Malayalam, you need to post your thoughts and what searches you did for the deletion rationale to be valid. Caleb Stanford (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

you need to post your thoughts and what searches you did for the deletion rationale to be valid.

This is not true. REAL_MOUSE_IRL talk 17:53, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

Note that I specifically said the deletion rationale to be valid, not the proposition to delete itself. It may be a correct deletion (and I have already agreed in this case) with the deletion. Don't see why the OP can't take 10-15 seconds to post the searches, to save all other editors from doing it. Caleb Stanford (talk) 14:23, 6 September 2025 (UTC)