User talk:Crowsus/Archive 5

Excuse me for asking, but why have you been going round emptying English and Welsh sportspeople by town and/or county categories categories? They are part of a scheme which includes sportspeople by town and city in just about every country in the world, and it's taking a lot of time to replace the category tags you removed. Please stop! I suspect you probably have a reason for doing so, but at the moment it simply looks like vandalism. What is the reason for doing it? Grutness...wha? 06:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, this is disruptive and needs to stop and be undone immediately. I know for a fact that Category:Snooker players from Neath had at least 4 players in it, and 4 articles is certainly enough for a category. See also WP:FAITACCOMPLI and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion, in particular: "Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion." See further Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/How-to#Notifying interested projects and editors, which you did not follow. If you don't go clean up this mess, and quickly before the CfD bot acts on all your improper emptying and speedy-deletion tagging, it is likely grounds for a topic-ban from recategorization and category deletion.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: Crowsus has moved over 2000 articles and there are now around 300 rugby union/league player by town categories up for speedy deletion. I've moved a lot of the articles back, but it's exhausting work without a bot. I suspect that Crowsus considered the categories too small, and rather than go through the proper process (list them at cfd without emptying them) he/she simply emptied them so that they would be listed for speedy deletion. In mitigation, he/she didn't mark them for speedy deletion personally, but they were quickly spotted by User:Liz who has done so. Several of the categories had 7-10 articles - well over the usual minimum needed. Grutness...wha? 09:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Fargh. I recently WP:ANIed someone for unconstructive and rule-breaking WP:MEATBOT activity of this sort, but am not looking forward to doing it again (especially since Crowsus does not seem to be generally as reckless as that other party). Crowsus, just cleaning up your own mess is the right thing to do.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:50, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I've bought time by removing all the speedy templates, and partially refilled quite a few of the categories, but there are a lot still empty and someone else is bound to tag them soon (check my contrib list to see all the categories which I untagged). I'm sure there's no vandalous intent here - just looks like someone picked the wrong way to go about getting rid of small categories (and misjudged the minimum category size). Grutness...wha? 10:13, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Nothing to add, except that I've arrived here due to similar bafflement at this campaign. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi everyone!

• Mutt, I'll deal with yours first since I remember it: you created a Sportspeople from Valleyfield with 3 entries, while People from Valleyfield was only 4 articles. Pretty pointless IMO and it stood out for its very small cat size representing a very small population with little room for growth and no consistency in a local sense (e.g Glenrothes does not have a Sportspeople cat although about 10 of its articles are sportspeople, and its size and status as a new town suggest that more young people living there will grow up to be notable) but it can be very quickly rectified if it has some special meaning to you.
• SMcCandlish, yes snooker players from Neath had 4 and the other Welsh ones each had 3 members which I think meets some kind of minimum somewhere but a grouping of 3 Welsh snooker players by town again seems to add no real value to anything. But they're back now so all is right with the world there.
• The rugby ones were all created 2 years ago by user:Geoff3Cae who was indef blocked (see 5 January 2022 in their talk) precisely for creating microcategories in that area and refusing to engage when it was questioned. In many cases there wasn't a 'Sportspeople from' category for the place in question and sometimes not even a 'People from', they just went through and created a category no matter the situation. It was that editor who was breaking convention, most of them should never have been created so I decided to sort it as I was sick of looking at them. What I have done is rearrange the 232(!) Category:Rugby union players by city or town in England so that the articles for the tiny Town categories are now under the County, and under Sportspeople for the place. To me this looks like a much healthier and more navigable list than before,for instance Category:Rugby union players from Tyne and Wear now has a respectable 31 members plus 27 for Newcastle, rather than those 31 divided into 6 towns with 5 members each, who does that benefit? I think Gateshead maybe had 8 members so yeah it's valid in terms of raw numbers but to what end, when taking it up a level along with others of that size is still a very middling total for anyone interested in the subject. Had the County category been created as a list of the 31 articles rather than just a holder for all the towns, I highly doubt there would have been a clamour for it to be split 10 ways just because it was a possibility. Category:Rugby union players from Somerset also now has 31 plus 12 Taunton and 29 Bath, a reasonable number for anyone scanning a list and in my opinion far more practical than the previous ~5 plus 5 each in 5 town mini-lists. There's just no need for that level of categorisation by sport and place purely because such an intersection can exist. Compare the rugby union list to Category:Rugby league players by city or town in England which I haven't gone through, it is a lot smaller to start with and you can see there are plenty of valid categories there but also a pretty tragic collection of 1s and 2s, as well as the likes of Category:Rugby league players from Northampton with 3 members which is also the entirety of Category:Rugby league players from Northamptonshire. If we're talking about sets, in my opinion it's more logical to have a category for each county rather than for towns at random, so then Northampton would go and the articles moved to Rugby league players from Northamptonshire and Sportspeople from Northampton. Should have notified the projects, but since nobody seemed to care 2 years ago when they were all created in an incorrect manner, I thought nobody would be that bothered either if I made an effort to fix it.
• I'll leave it there for now and await replies.

Crowsus (talk) 11:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

My concern regarded the campaign as a whole, not the deleted category which alerted me to it. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

FWIW the "very small population with little room for growth" now has twice as many sportspeople candidates (6) in the parent category, should the subcat be revived. There are a couple more that I believe to be from there but I've failed to find citations, as yet. Consistency, if desired, can as well be facilitated by creation as by deletion. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:35, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I have restored the category. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

To address the points above, such categories are not "pointless" since they are narrower than the broader one you want to forcibly upmerge into. They are more precise intersections. While it is true we don't want to create a category like this for a single entry, small ones with multiple entries are not any sort of problem. If you're convinced they're a problem anyway, we have WP:CFD process for this; your personal opinion doesn't determine sweeping categorization decisions here, a broader consensus does that. And we do not blindly undo every single thing some blocked editor did just because they were blocked.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Crowsus, can you please rollback your own edits? There are still currently about 265 empty categories. It is not reasonable to expect others to pick up the slack. ✗plicit 12:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

(after EC) I agree with SMcC on this - these categories are useful, and - as I pointed out in my original post - are part of a scheme across many sports and almost all countries. It's the way they've been categorised across Wikipedia for a considerable time with a good deal of consensus among editors (look at just how many editors have made and populated these categories). If you as one editor think there's a problem with having categories of this nature, then the way to deal with it is to start a discussion about it at WP:CFD or at a relevant WikiProject. Sure, being bold is tolerated and even encouraged in article space, but not in categories. IMO, the sooner you start undoing your edits and repopulating the categories, the better. If there are any that remain unworkably small (three articles or under) after that, then take them to CFD. Don't simply depopulate them and leave others to clear up the mess. Grutness...wha? 12:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

"part of a scheme across many sports and almost all countries. It's the way they've been categorised across Wikipedia for a considerable time" - creating categories with 1 or 2 entries for a specific sport for every single locality in the UK, in some cases 3 levels below the existing tree, is not the way it's been done. As I pointed out, the editor's failure to abide by those conventions - followed by ignoring all attempts to interact about it - got them banned.

"look at just how many editors have made and populated these categories", are you talking about Rugby union players by city or town in England etc? Because nobody touched ANY of the categories themselves since Geoff3Cae. I can't tell who added articles to each cat of course, but if enough were added to make a decent total, I didn't touch them.

I haven't blindly undone anything. As I said, many of Geoff3Cae's creations were fine so why would I touch them. But they clearly got carried away: the "precision" in creating separate Rugby league players from Dearham and Rugby union players from Dearham categories with 2 entries each (actually 1 of them is a man who played both codes), where no Sportspeople from Dearham category exists, is clearly ludicrous and in contravention of WP:SMALLCAT.

However, I also got carried away trying to tidy it up, and should have left the ones over 4 as I am aware that is an accepted threshold. Although since you mention WP:CFD I should point out that I have seen many, many categories of similar "precise intersections" deleted there.

I will repopulate the larger ones in approximately 12 hours when I have the time.

Howevey Crowsus (talk) 13:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

...creating categories with 1 or 2 entries for a specific sport for every single locality in the UK, in some cases 3 levels below the existing tree, is not the way it's been done. This doesn't explain why you have depopulated many categories with 7-10 entries. While deleting works by a banned editor makes sense, it doesn't make sense if those entries are in use and acceptable to Wikipedia - which those categories are.

...where no Sportspeople from [...] category exists, is clearly ludicrous and in contravention of WP:SMALLCAT. Um - have you actually read WP:SMALLCAT? "this criterion does not preclude all small categories; a category which does have realistic potential for growth [...] may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time." I should also point out that WP:SMALLCAT is deprecated.

Although since you mention WP:CFD I should point out that I have seen many, many categories of similar "precise intersections" deleted there. - which should have been a clue that such categories are taken to CFD, rather than simply being emptied.

Grutness...wha? 02:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

You're right of course, and I apologise to all involved for the time wasted here. Going way above the standard minimum to suit my own preferences was beyond a poor decision and in fact just a dick move and I can only say that I got carried away while (in my eyes) fixing the tiny ones; by doing so I actually ruined any chance of tolerance / sympathy towards the idea of the upmerge of the tiny ones - notwithstanding that it was the incorrect procedure to empty those manually.

As far as I am aware, all the >3 categories have now been restored - I went through each of them using Petscan for any eligible articles which hadn't been added before and managed to find a couple. I also went through the <3, they are still empty for now [shorthand for results here ], I am not refusing to repopulate, but hoping for a delay to be allowed to present them to CfD for consideration along with the very small Rugby League players categories, to demonstrate that I can behave properly in this area and will abide by the consensus there - and if that is to restore some or all of the Rugby union players etc I will do so as soon as possible (may not be absolutely immediately due to commitments IRL).

Beyond that, just to confirm that I will fully cooperate in any discussions, sanctions and/or restrictions which may result from my actions. I hope at least to avoid an indef site ban which would be a greatly unhappy end to 7 years of generally positive contributions. But solely my fault if it did come to that. Crowsus (talk) 02:32, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I don't think you've "ruined any chance of tolerance / sympathy towards the idea of the upmerge of the tiny ones", but it's still far better to go through cfd. Some of the small ones should probably be deleted, or at least converted into general sportspeople categories where there aren't any. I can understand how easy it is to get carried away on projects like this (I got into trouble myself for a related issue a couple of years ago). I certainly wouldn't expect a site-wide ban situation, but I suspect you might face restrictions on some areas of editing if anyone wants to take this further. Cheers, Grutness...wha? 06:18, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't want to do that, and yes thank you for fixing it, and reviewing the applicable material and adjusting your view based on that. I wish more editors were that flexible!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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I see you've moved a number of organisations (eg Scottish Law Commission) from the Organisations based in Edinburgh category to the Companies based in Edinburgh subcategory. I don't think this is correct, for the simple reason that they are public sector organisations rather than companies. They might more appropriately appear in the Government-related organisations based in Edinburgh subcategory. George Burgess (talk) 14:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Apologies! I totally agree. Must have mis-clicked. That is where I meant to move them to, and have now done. Crowsus (talk) 19:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your work cleaning up cats. Just a note though that some of the cats that have been removed aren't actually in the parent articles. So, do you mind adding them to the parent articles when you remove them? Of course, you don't have to but it will save me the trouble. :) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Crowsus,

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Sorry and thanks, I have now saved that coding for future changes (and will fix a couple of other recent ones)... Crowsus (talk) 03:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, Crowsus, I saw that you made a draft for a new article at User:Crowsus/sandbox/Fernando Quintanilla. Short term hosting of potentially valid articles and other reasonable content under development or in active use is usually acceptable. But in this case, you haven't edited your draft for a long time. If you wish to improve the draft yourself, please do. Otherwise, you may consider donating it to WikiProject Abandoned Drafts (a participant can help). Thank you. Shadow311 (talk) 15:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

It became an article a few years ago. Not sure how to delete these draft pages - nominated it for speedy to hopefully annoy causing much of a nuisance, apologies if that's not the best way. Crowsus (talk) 17:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

hello, can you help me improve Campeonato Regional Centro page and editions. Thank you!

Help.Football.History (talk) 21:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

The current headteacher at St Roch’s Secondary School has changed, can you stop reverting it? Dreamcrab0 (talk) 10:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

You need a source for the change. For all I know, that's the the name of a random pupil (which frequently happens in school articles). Crowsus (talk) 11:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I understand, where would I put the source? Dreamcrab0 (talk) 11:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, right next to his name in the box please Crowsus (talk) 11:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Could a source be from the official social media account of the school? Dreamcrab0 (talk) 11:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that's fine for it. Crowsus (talk) 11:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

How do I add the source to the info? I don’t quite understand infoboxes. Dreamcrab0 (talk) 11:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Can you see if the source is reliable? I don’t want to put any unreliable sources on Wikipedia. Dreamcrab0 (talk) 12:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

That's great cheers. If it's an organisation's own page, it should usually be OK for basic info unless saying something controversial or doubtful, which is not the case here. A secondary source is always preferable but their own page is much better than nothing. Crowsus (talk) 12:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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I've reverted your additions to the Flemish men category. The consensus is that "Articles on individual men should not be added directly to categories like that one, but may be added to an appropriate sub-category if it exists." WP:EGRS has some good information about this, but generally, people aren't diffused to gender specific categories. Mason (talk) 21:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Why would you add back in two sources that don't mention the 2017 6-1 match at all? In fact, one of your additions was already removed previously for the same reason - by me, 12 hours ago! Can you explain this? Fred Zepelin (talk) 01:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The changes both you and I have made to the wording and sourcing have improved the article and reduced it by over 2000 bytes from the point of your initial involvement. The source that does not explicity mention the PSG match, but is necessary as a reference for the match in question, is now followed by another source which lists all the mentioned matches in a commonality, justifying their inclusion on the article for that reason. Not sure if you noticed that, but it's there, so I have now restored that paragraph. If you still have an issue with it, I suggest you seek wider opinion at WP:FOOTY or a similar forum. Crowsus (talk) 02:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

This article mentions the 2017 match but "lists all the mentioned matches in a commonality" is a stretch. At best, you could use that source to say that this 2017 match was listed among the "Greatest Champions League comebacks of all time" by the BBC, but everything else you've added is cruft and original research. I'm not sure why you're so hell-bent on leaving this section of cruft in - did you write it originally? Do you consider it to be "your" work? Fred Zepelin (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Since you're insisting on including those two unrelated matches, I started a discussion on the article talk page, so if you want to weigh in further, I suggest you do it there. Fred Zepelin (talk) 15:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

On a related note, what's with your edit summaries saying "per talk" when the only person on any talk page supporting your changes is you? You've made over 300,000 edits, so you obviously know better than to do that. I wouldn't try it again. Fred Zepelin (talk) 05:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I dicuss what I'm doing here, and then the summary says 'per talk'. That is standard. Crowsus (talk) 08:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

"I wouldn't try it again", what does that mean, by the way? Crowsus (talk) 08:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

It means that, as of now, you've been warned about your disruptive editing, your WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality, and your edit warring, and if you continue to do any of those things, next stop is ANI. Fred Zepelin (talk) 18:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

See you there mate. I was actually gonna yield so I don't have to interact with you any more, but you know what, that's cool. It will be a huge drain on your time and your own behaviour (WP:CIVIL, WP:3RR, WP:BATTLEGROUND - it is me who has made efforts to compromise and resolve this constructively, whereas you have taken a position and remained immovable despite plentiful evidence contradicting your position on the validity of the content, and instead resorted pretty quickly to threats of administrative intervention) will be properly scrutinised. Crowsus (talk) 19:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Umm, where's Fred's warning? The content was already there for some time before they decided to remove it. It takes two sides to 'edit war' so kindly add your template to their talk. PS I added sources to the article before I saw this. Crowsus (talk) 08:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hi there - my telaviv heat info regarding points scored and caps is outdated would it be possible to update? 2603:8000:72F0:9360:6DA9:8EA7:7C52:A3AE (talk) 01:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

No idea what you're talking about, sorry. Crowsus (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia!

I edit here too, under the username MintyFresh201, and I thank you for your contributions. However, if you wouldn't mind could you please fix up SC Concordia von 1907, as you were the last contributor. Some of the information on this article is inaccurate as the club still exists, whereas the article classifies it as a defunct club. Thank you, MintyFresh201 (talk) 00:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Crowsus. Thanks for improving Iñaki Williams. I reverted your change to the "Honours" section, it went against consensus. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, I've finally checked the template and there is nothing there regarding the display of runners-up; if a consensus was reached at the project, I suggest a demonstration of the preferred formatting should be added to the template. Crowsus (talk) 00:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You're right, it's not explicitly stated at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players so my edit summary was inaccurate. From what I've seen the vast majority of footballers' honours section are formatted that way. That consensus needs to be codified in the manual of style. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 08:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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I just saw your message about Rossi/Alahverdians article. I had to take a few step back for legal reasons and I guess after the fact, a COI, but I’m thrilled that it’s all coming to light. He’s a real piece of work. GRINCHIDICAE🎄 19:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hi there, thank you for adding the box to Churruca (what I had logged on to do). Just a few questions:

1. Where did you find Churruca's full managerial career? I've had this problem a few times when a player/manager was at such a low level it's not recorded on BDFutbol. With Paco Real, who rose from an amateur coach in the 1960s, I only found teams listed in an obituary, and the lack of certainty has meant I haven't tried to fill an infobox. I'm not doubting that what you wrote was true, as it corresponds with the Arenas Getxo managerial box.

2. How should the page be titled? The Spanish Wikipedia omits the José, and the Basque Wikipedia puts his name as "Txurruka", which looks like it's making a WP:POINT, given that most sources spell it Churruca. Most figures I write about were born in an era where they were forced into Castilian first names, so I look for WP:COMMONNAME, which is why I named another page Iñaki Hurtado. I see a few recent sources call Churruca "Iñaki", but a lot of sources are affected by that Spanish way of just calling a player by their surname. I made a page for another Basque Juan María Mujika where I'm half thinking that the common name should be Musti Mujika, whether that was a Basque name or just a nickname. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Unknown Temptation:, thanks for the message. Good work with the international section. The manager stats are just from BDFutbol, there is a 'Community' tab showing the teams at levels below Segunda B - this is for players and coaches, but defaults as 'off', doesn't appear for those with no entries to be shown, might not appear in all browsers and I don't think it's been there for that long (maybe 2019?), might be useful for you on other articles, although maybe not much with Paco Real.

The title is up to you really, I've created a redirect at Iñaki so that should cover most searches etc, and I agree that Txurruka is Basque POV, it is the preferred spelling now but not at the time he was active. If it had been created at Iñaki with José Ignacio as redirect I don't think anyone would have objected, so don't see an issue the other way either. Same goes for Mujika in my opinion (another nice article and a long-time member of the 'obviously notable redlinked Spanish players' list), though I think either a Musti Mujika redirect or an addition at the Musti disambig page would be useful. Crowsus (talk) 22:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I have seen the community tab on some pages but to my knowledge it's unverified (?) so I've been treating it like Transfermarkt, "trust but verify". For some players it has recorded two or three appearances in seasons that they most likely had more, which suggests that somebody added the data for the opposing team's games and this came as collateral.

It's amazing that I once thought that everything on Wikipedia must already have been covered, but I've found lots of Copa del Rey/UEFA/UCWC final players and Spain internationals with no article. I think my biggest catch was Manuel Mestre - 323 Valencia games and several times manager. The most interesting is another Che, Sergio Manzanera, who subtly protested Franco in a game and thankfully got away with it as the dictator kicked the bucket while the case was awaiting judgement. He had to retire before 30, and became a dentist. I noticed that a lot of the Copa final articles put the link to Spanish Wikipedia as a blue link, which creates the illusion especially on mobile that the page already exists. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I made a CFD, but as I stated there, this was unilaterally done. I really don't think a CFD was needed given WP:DIFFUSE. Anyway, please chime in over there Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_27#Category:British_male_tennis_players Mason (talk) 02:05, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your co-operation. I just feel that given this is a topic which can arouse emotion in some and is technically complicated in other aspects, it would be better if there is a consensus somewhere to point to rather than just someone deciding one thing, then a few year later someone else decides the opposite, etc (not that such CfD decisions are set in stone for all time anyway, of course...) Crowsus (talk) 02:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I've not found diffusing English/Scottish/Welsh people to be contentious. I think though in the future, if you're going to ask for one, you should make the post to CFD rather than just mass reverting and waiting for someone else to do it. Mason (talk) 02:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Its certainly a potentially contentious topic, and absolutely for the pages I spotted the change on - just look at Talk:Andy Murray for the frothing, babbling and silent IP to-ing and fro-ing over many years over whether he is Scottish / British / both; although I agree nobody seems fussed by the categories in comparison to what's in the infobox and/or lead.

On the other point, to be honest you're the one removing the category against what was an longstanding instruction on the page until you changed it in the past 24 hours - you've decided it's wrong (and as I've said, I see where you're coming from and that too may have been an individual's preference many years ago) so it's not really waiting for 'someone else', just for you who made the push to change it, and you've now done so, perfect, so now it's not just me, you, Zyxw or any one individual who decides, surely that's the best outcome. Crowsus (talk) 02:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry what I meant was that'd even though it could be contentious, I've almost never run into it in practice. But yes, cfd is definitely the right move here. (Anyway, what I had intended to do when popping over to your talk page, was to tell you that you can make a null edit to a category that uses any of those category header templates. That null edit will force the template to recheck for categories that are new. etc)^SMason_Garrison 13:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! Please don't move articles from a general to a gender/ethnicity-based subcategory - those can be added, but they are non-diffusing per WP:ALLINCLUDED so the broader cat shouldn't be removed. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nikkimaria:. Sportswomen is a subcategory of both Women, and Sportspeople. There would need to be 3 categories then??? And 3 more for the ethnicity in applicable articles? Crowsus (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Two: diffusing women to sportswomen is fine because both are gendered, but you still need the sportspeople. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nikkimaria: should the men be organised this way too? From going through these yesterday, many editors are not following this guideline; typically most of the Sportspeople are men who haven't been added to Sportsmen, and while some women are present, it's a mix of some not gendered and some doubled (but not all of those that are in the Sportswomen). Crowsus (talk) 07:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

FYI: sportspeople aren't non-diffusing by gender. But, yes, multiple enthinicities does mean that they're in a lot of categories ^SMason_Garrison 13:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Never mind the ethnicities for now, I think the pair of you need to discuss the situation with the gender please, as you appear to have sincere,concrete but completely opposite opinions on how they should be applied. Crowsus (talk) 13:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Lol, fair enough. I suspect that this question has been litigated somewhere. It's just a matter of finding the CFD where this was all hassed out. ^SMason_Garrison 13:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Would definitely be interested in seeing that CfD, but to answer Crowsus' question: yes, whichever organization is appropriate, it would be applied the same to both sportsmen and sportswomen. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I concur with everything you've written here. Unfortunately, I'm swamped with two job searches in our department. (And I'm using Wikipedia to make mindless gnome edits.) But I do think that WP:CATGENDER has language on this about models, actors, and sportspeople. ^SMason_Garrison 00:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that does seem to be the place. "As most notable organized sporting activities are segregated by gender, sportsperson categories constitute a case where "gender has a specific relation to the topic". As such, sportsperson categories should be split by gender, except in such cases where men and women participate primarily in mixed-gender competition" is along the same lines as I was thinking to myself yesterday after you mentioned it: I do understand the gendering rules exist to denote women in traditionally male-dominated environments but avoid ghettoising them (as with the ethnicities), but the gender is a fundamental aspect of sport and so there is an equal split of participants between males and females, so that whole issue does not apply. It is really just dividing them into men and women as their occupations also do explicitly. Crowsus (talk) 08:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

He was my great grandfather and I was so proud when I found out he won the Scottish league. My family all thank you :) TagPro129 (talk) 14:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@TagPro129: thanks, really great to read that! Please let me know if anything seems wrong, obviously I want it to be accurate but it can be difficult to find stuff from that era (and sometimes the wrong info has already been added elsewhere so becomes 'fact'. Crowsus (talk) 16:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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Please can you calm/slow down these edits? You have swamped my watchlist. GiantSnowman 07:40, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I echo this, it's pretty challenging to evaluate your category changes when you massively move people into sportsmen categories. ^SMason_Garrison 23:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

WTF are you even talking about? Crowsus (talk) 23:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Please slow down, I've already raised concerns about you moving ungendered cricketer categories. The solution isn't to remove women from the cricketer tree. It's to make a male cricketer tree. You'd be isolating women entirely from the tree. ^SMason_Garrison 23:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)^SMason_Garrison 23:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I've asked you to slow down and discuss before you make a unilateral change. ^SMason_Garrison 23:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not from the entire tree, there is Category:Women Twenty20 International cricketers (slightly wrong name BRW, the competition is Women's Twenty20 International). If you want to make a male cricketer tree, please do so. Look at the way cricket is arranged for categories, it's still the 'old way' of the males just being Cricketers and the females being Women's cricketers. That probably isn't desirable, but it would be a big move to make, ideally with a bot and probably with a discussion about it all first. But if I (or anyone else) creates Category:Men's Twenty20 International cricketers at present it would be a complete outlier for this sport. The error was to include the Women lists as a subgroup of the main lists when they were created, but then again I see they have been shoved in as a subcat in almost every aspect of (men's) cricket so really it was following the standard pattern. But, you know what? ultimately I don't care about cricket whatsoever, nor about the sportspeople by century things, So I'll just put it all back and let someone else sort out the mess. But the Victorian cricketers are all men, there's no debate there. Crowsus (talk) 23:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, this is not my work, I created it as a redirect with no involvement since, it was fleshed out into an article by User:Chessrat, all observations good and bad should be directed to them please.... Crowsus (talk) 15:10, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

You are posting false information and misinforming readers: Bilbao Athletic has always been officially called that. The term "B" or "C" is only a generic way of naming the lower teams of the same club in Spain, but it has never been the official name of this team, NEVER. Gabossi (talk) 14:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Fix the Spanish page first then. It is pretty emphatic about these names. The RFEF still calls it that while other teams are called by different names. Crowsus (talk) 17:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Crowsus,

I noticed that you've suggested my article on the 2018 Supercopa de Catalunya for deletion. I’d like to propose an alternative approach. Rather than deleting it or merging it with the main Supercopa article, could we track its page views for a few months? Since it was created, the article has already received 162 views (including redirects), which suggests it isn’t entirely useless. I recommend monitoring its performance over the next 3-6 months, and if it doesn’t attract a reasonable number of views during that time, we can revisit the decision to delete it. Thank you in advance!

Best, Editor 11927 (talk) 05:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Since you said in a recent deleted category, "Upmerge to Category:English Olympic competitors, Category:Scottish Olympic competitors and Category:Welsh Olympic competitors respectively. Couldn't be simpler" Then I assume you are going to fully support a creation of Category:Californian Olympic competitors and Category:Floridian Olympic competitors? Because if not I plan on nominating those competitor categories for deletion as we just did to Category:English Olympic medallists et al. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

If you had read it properly, I wrote the Olympians categories should also probably be deleted. What a waste of time trying to catch me out or something. Plan away. Crowsus (talk) 05:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. I thought it was a different editor that wrote the other categories should probably be deleted. You have two different bolded headers in the discussion... one you said to merge (which I read but didn't realize it was you) and the last one which I noticed by name simply said to upmerge. Most of the time it's usually one bolded suggestion per editor with the rest being replies that are not bolded entries. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

OK thanks, no worries. Crowsus (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Crowsus, I am curious why you removed Category:Football competitions in Glasgow from 2016 Scottish Cup final?--User:Namiba 18:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, all but one of the Scottish Cup finals was held in Glasgow so I have made Scottish Cup finals (and Scottish League Cup finals, also with a single non-Glasgow event in its history) as subcats of Football competitions in Glasgow. Due to those singular exceptions it's not 100% accurate so if you feel that's inappropriate and want to fix it, please go ahead, but I don't really see much need for there to be 200 additional articles in Football competitions in Glasgow when they can be tidied into those sublists. Crowsus (talk) 10:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

That makes sense, thank you for your explanation. Happy editing!--User:Namiba 15:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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Happy 2025, albeit belatedly!

I think it's in very poor taste what the IP did in Carlos Muñoz (footballer, born 1961)'s article on 21 JUNE 2024 (i comment this with you because you were involved in it during this timeframe, because of the subject's supposed Romani origins); they were like "Hey, let me add a SPANISH source in this ENGLISH article and maybe no one will notice or question it". I read the La Vanguardia piece and all they mention there is a TEACHER called CARLOS MUÑOZ NIETO (as explained in my edit summaries)!! I tried to arrange a new source, but i am not allowed to open La Nueva España source all the way, for subscribers only (at least, in my Google search, in that result i am not told a particular word is missing - in this case, "gitano"/"gypsy"), but am not sure if the mention is made like i told you.

However, in this piece i was able to read through (https://sport.jotdown.es/2023/03/06/carlos-munoz-el-barcelona-ha-hecho-mucho-dano-al-futbol-con-el-tiquitaca/), regarding his spell at Real Oviedo (the article is huge), Mr. Muñoz says at one point: "You scored twenty-five goals that year. You were part of a forward line christened with a very politically incorrect name alongside Paraguay's Ramón Hicks and Englishman Keith Thompson.

The black, the Indian and the gypsy. I would say: "Okeydokey, black is black, Indian is Indian, but I AM NOT GYPSY OK?". But that name stuck. Later, Thompson was unfortunately injured and did not play as much, and then Juliá, Hicks and myself started being called The Three Musketeers.".

Let me know what do you think/make of this, if you will. For the time being, i left everything as it is including categories (except the La Vanguardia piece that has no business being here). Kind regards, continue the good work. RevampedEditor (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, nice to hear from you. I think because of what you have found, it would be no problem to remove the Romani origin thing from the text, and then obviously the categories too. The nicknames thing is interesting, you could maybe put a bit in like "during this period he was known as 'el Gitano' although he later confirmed that he did not have Romani origins"... but its a long way to go for something which seems pretty unimportant in his overall career (unless he was known as that for a long time? I have no idea). Anyway i have put in on my watch list and will definitely support you if anyone challenges any changes you make on it - but I don't think anyone will be bothered to be honest. Crowsus (talk) 19:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Firstly, thanks for joining the clean up crew! You might not realise it but you just signed up and it's appreciated :) I officially resigned sometime ago and moved over to the revert crew. But what am I actually talking about you ask? The broader issue relates originally to this issue that went on for over a year before being resolved, and now there have been identifical problems from an IP address as of recently. Not sure what the bar is for SPI and whether it's applicable to IP addresses, but it seems quite straightforward to join the dots here, even if the editors are unrelated. Unfortunately a new status quo of inaccurate statistics was introduced for over a year on certain articles, so I don't doubt it could just be this also. All the best, CNC (talk) 19:21, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Crowsus (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Crowsus. I think I can give an answer to "not sure why you wouldn't link the region?". That's MOS:GEOLINK. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 20:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be sure to use words like 'in' to make both links valid in future. Crowsus (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, that works. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Gooday - in this 2023 change, you added a UK 'naturalisation' cat when there is no mention of it. What's the basis of this, please? This example is the third I've looked at, randomly. Thank you.-- 82.13.47.210 (talk) 23:49, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi, very simple, he played for the GB hockey team but was born in Canada, you have to get a UK passport to do so and no evidence that he qualified on ancestry, only residency i.e naturalization. Crowsus (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 00:29, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

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Hello Crowsus, can you help me with the template of the 1931–32 Campeonato Regional Centro, 1932–33 Campeonato Regional Centro, 1933–34 Campeonato Regional Centro? To create them on the main page and after I will make new articles with them. Thank you!Help.Football.History (talk) 13:37, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for those tweaks on Juan Astorquia. Could you do the same to Josep Elías, José Luis Gallegos, José María Gayarre, and Edmond Weiskopf. Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 18:02, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

I've had a quick look but don't really have time for more - they look very good anyway, nice work. Crowsus (talk) 18:55, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Then do it once you have time. They need to be "perfect" by the time I nominate them to GA status. I got lucky with Astorquia, but luck runs out. Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 23:59, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

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Thanks for those tweaks on Juan Astorquia. Could you do the same to Josep Elías, José Luis Gallegos, José María Gayarre, and Edmond Weiskopf. Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hopefully all's fine with you (not with me, at least not WP-wise, don't know what the hell i'm still doing here when i'm not having an ounce of fun), now for the message,

added refs galore in this player, but could not find any source(s) for this bit: "During the 1970–71 campaign he kept a clean sheet in ten successive home matches, which translated into a record of 1,018 minutes.". Browsed the web for nearly two hours, i'm knackered...

Enjoy the summer if you can, continue the good work! RevampedEditor (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

• I went ahead and removed the bit, replacing it with (detailed) content on his Zamora trophy, seems much more important than a personal run (unsourced at that). But feel free to reinstate it should you see it fit, cheers! --RevampedEditor (talk) 18:26, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks, I'll have a look and maybe try to find the clean sheet thing, but probably won't be able to if you couldn't, and I'm sure what you've added is great.

  Try to focus on doing the stuff you enjoy, nobody (including ourselves) should be asking anyone to deal with any particular task because it is 'needed', we're all just here for a hobby, it will still exist without our involvement and will never be perfect no matter how much effort we put in. Take pride in the good work you're doing and try not to worry about the others you can't control. Enjoy your summer also! Crowsus (talk) 23:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm Barr Theo, and thanks to all of those improvements to my article Raymond Cazeaux. Could you please do the same to Josep Elías, José Luis Gallegos, José María Gayarre, and Edmond Weiskopf, so that I can then nominate them to GA status. Kind regards. Luis7M (talk) 20:47, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

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IN this edit to 2021–22_Primera_División_RFEF you added <ref name="Goal" />, but there is no such reference. Probably you were intending to add it later, or had used it in another article. Could you add the reference details to this article please? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC).

Sorry about that, it was the latter, should have spotted the issue, fixed it now. Crowsus (talk) 12:39, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Are you willing to start an ANI for this Glasgow…edior(?) kid? I don't have the headspace for it due to current life happenings. Seasider53 (talk) 18:26, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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Ach, I don't even really care either way. I was more annoyed about the Hull stuff getting put back in the wrong order. Crowsus (talk) 01:48, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

"Rangers would have not got to the final without McGregor" was the reasoning you gave. We would have challenged any edior on this basis. :-) Seasider53 (talk) 11:19, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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Hello there,

since i'm not interested in another (pointless) edit war, i stop editing in that department and come to you for assistance. The other user inserted eight caps in ONE year and i reverted them explaining why in the edit summary; they could not care less about researching and removed the whole thing in the infobox.

I just searched the web, but could find the specific data (last cap i got was 2018). Can you assist please? If i'm not mistaken, the Athletic official profiles had that data back in the day, but not anymore. Ah, just found this (https://www.larazon.es/deportes/futbol/fuente-convocara-inigo-martinez-tema-incomodo_20250521682d743c0e9106596809847e.html), at least the eight Euskadi caps are confirmed!

Attentively, continue the great work RevampedEditor (talk) 11:17, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, a bit late to be useful to you but the Basque Federation itself had a list of caps (I think it was a PDF rather than a live page), hopefully it's still there but not checked due to lack of recent matches. List of Basque footballers is up to date as far as I know but obviously that can't be used as proof on its own. Crowsus (talk) 15:46, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

When i set my mind to it, unfortunately (this because of what i've already told you, the "not an ounce of fun" bit; i spend WAY too much time here) i most likely won't be deterred until i see things through (that meaning i have reinstated the caps). Please go to Mr. Martínez's talkpage to see what i've written there, feel free to add to/comment.

Going on holiday from work today at 17 o'clock, keep it up! --RevampedEditor (talk) 14:40, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Crowsus. Please do not use the website Playmakerstats as a reference. It has been categorised as unreliable; see WP:WPFLINKSNO for details. I have removed a Playmakerstats reference at Maroan Sannadi. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 20:50, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, can you explain Category:Soccer clubs in Nashville, Tennessee this edit? It seems as though you emptied Category:Soccer in Nashville, Tennessee out of process.--User:Namiba 13:37, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

I can see that you did this here as well. Please revert yourself if you did it elsewhere and stop emptying categories out of process.--User:Namiba 14:33, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Why did you create categories for certain cities seemingly at random with no logical tree to support them? Crowsus (talk) 15:13, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

I see you have now created new categories for Nashville to support the topic which is an improvement, but it is still evident that there are barely enough relevant articles to support each subcat, and that should have been done 10 months ago. As for Baton Rouge, I would be very surprised to find there to be enough supporting articles to justify its existence. I have now CfD'd it. Crowsus (talk) 15:25, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

There were and are more than enough articles to justify the Nashville category. I simply put them together. You still have not address your attempt at an end run around the deletion process.--User:Namiba 16:31, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Were? You only created the Players and Venues today! Crowsus (talk) 16:33, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

I see that you did it for Baton Rouge, Dayton, and Nashville. Did you improperly empty any other categories? Do I need to bring this to ANI?--User:Namiba 17:40, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Namiba:, I'd like to apologise for the hassle caused to you in fixing those and for my poor attitude when you pointed it out. I don't think there were any others emptied, I have now nominated Baton Rouge in the correct manner - it does seem that the opinion there is the same as mine, but I wasn't going to argue if it differed. I know that the ends don't justify the means, and I am annoyed at myself for doing it like that as I am fully aware it's not right and would likely get me in trouble when I could just ignore it or take to CfD, it was just impulsive when I came across them making (legitimate) adjustments on the subject. I don't think it needs to go to ANI as it always takes up a lot of time and energy for all involved, but it's your call and I will cooperate with whatever you decide. Crowsus (talk) 16:47, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate and accept your apology. I don't think it is necessary to go ANI as long as it does not happen again. I see all of the hard work you put into Wikipedia and appreciate almost all of your edits. Happy editing!--User:Namiba 14:35, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

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Hi there,

many thanks for adding the honour to this (ex)solid defender; however, i feel to state they were group champions was overkill. They were champions, period.

I took it upon myself to improve the storyline dramatically (and up until his retirement), found a glaring mistake in his Athletic bio (his first goal was scored in his FIRST season, not much later). Also (kind of related as i did it in Exteita), i have been replacing several dead Athletic profiles and do not know if it's worth the trouble, site will change configuration eventually and they all will crash AGAIN!

Keep up the great work, take care RevampedEditor (talk) 12:27, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

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Hello Crowsus. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:1983 Bridgestone Doubles Championships, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: this is WP:C2F, not WP:G6. Thank you. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:46, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Of course West Berlin was at the intertnational level. West Berlin was a corpus aparte and it wasn't part of West Germany. This issue a major political implications at the level of sport events (regardign participation of East European sides/athletes) . Please don't do such major changes without consensus. I'm reverting everything SFBB (talk) 23:09, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

First, you're answer does not reflect you understand the situation. All citizens of West Berlin were indeed citizens of West Germany (because of ius sanguini), so not West Berlin nationality or sports federation existed, as the citizens were represented be the West German federations. But West Berlin as such, was still not part of West Germany and it was ruled independently.

At sports level, it implied that East Germany and other Eastern Europe teams/federations boycotted events taking place in West Berlin, if organized by a West German federation (as they did not recognize the ability of West Germans to rule/organize anything in West Berlin). So the consequences were major (some mock organization were created to organize events in West Berlin). East Germany was very close to suspend their participation in the FIFA WC 1974 (see here, for instance).

And, I reverted all the changes you made with the tag West Berlin, because you made them with an automatic tool, so it's preposterous for you to expect for me to revert all of them by hand (you can't just go through dozens with an automatized tool doing changes without consensus, and expect that the people would take the time to revert them all manually...that's the equivalent of inverting the burden-of-proof). If you consider that some of them were right based on other considerations, please feel free to do them again. SFBB (talk) 23:44, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

"So not [sic] West Berlin nationality or sports federation existed", not much of a nation then. It seems you are retroactively attempting to present West Berlin as an independent sovereign state when the reality was it had an awkward status due to geographical isolation, post-war administrative legacies and intense political tensions with the DDR, but was connected to the BRD for almost all practical purposes. What we are talking about here is creating micro-categories for every aspect of life within the time frame of West Berlin's existence, separately from those for West Germany even in situations like international sport when it was clearly being treated as part of the BRD (because it was potitically advantageous for the capitalist side to include Berlin in activities and to try to connect it with the main BRD as much as possible). Due to that closeness and the lack of things like citizenship and location-specific competitions to demonstrate any real desire for separate West Berlin at the time of its existence, I don't think creating national-level categories is necessary or appropriate. Your opinion is clearly different and i appreciate that, but to be honest it requires much more input at senior editorial level on the site to establish the preferred usage for the subject, there isn't even a 'People from West Berlin' category at the moment, and I am unaware of any existing consensus on the matter which you suggested I was going against earlier. Crowsus (talk) 00:16, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

It's not something (sic) I'm "trying to present...retroactively". It had major implications in sports throughout the entire period West Berlin existed. It was really important (just read the reference I shared with you). Didn’t you ever wonder why West Berlin was often excluded from tournaments organized by West Germany, and why, when it was included, it always caused a major headache? Also, there was no such thing as 'people from West Berlin'; there were only people living in West Berlin, irrespective of their nationality. It’s a very complicated case with no parallel in current situations, but it had major consequences for sports events. That’s why it’s really important to make this distinction.

But I agree that this deserves a good discussion...probably the current RfC ain't also the right place...and no..I wasnt saying there was a consensus...I daid that massive changes using an automated tool (like CatALot) do require an explicit consensus. SFBB (talk) 18:07, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

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Hello Crowsus. Just want to thank you for following the consensus opinion on retaining the summary articles on Landtag elections for all the states in the Weimar Republic and, instead, deleting the individual articles. I'm sure it was very time consuming to transpose all the missing data from the individual to the summary articles, but I believe the end result is a better product. Your efforts are appreciated. Historybuff0105 (talk) 22:13, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Crowsus - I dinnae understand and I cannae see the changes you've made to our article or why you have made them. Can you no just tell us what we need to change without actually making the changes? Our group has spent over 18 months developing the article and it looks like loads has been changed by you when we have spent weeks addressing the specific review points we were given before resubmitting. Is there any way you can please undo your changes and give us a commentary instead. In any case, we have a meeting tomorrow of the Southside Heritage Group and I need to show them the current state of our submission so could you please undo all the changes and send us what your comments are please. Thanks Ian Mackay for the Southside Heritage Group Iwmackay (talk) 17:16, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Mate I already hinted pretty strongly that 'less is more' when it comes to the submission and you could probably add more 'essential' things later under less scrutiny. I've tried to help (wasn't actually finished, apologies for leaving it like that but had other things to do, but I imagine it would have been put back later in any case), the above advice is the last input I will be making. The subject matter is absolutely deserving of an article and there are some ridiculous 2-line shit piles for places in Scotland that slipped through the net of acceptability back in the day and have never really been improved in the 20 years since, and of course the draft is far superior, but your unwillingness to adapt the content as requested by the reviewers is making it unlikely to succeed. You will need to decide if it is more important or the community to have an article Wikipedia, or for that article to be exactly the way you want, as it does not appear that both can happen.

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Thanks for finishing off the article, I appreciate it! :)) RossEvans19 (talk) 01:07, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

No problem, I had made a start on some of the same bits you did so thanks for your part also. Those type of articles take so long!! Crowsus (talk) 01:10, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

I know, right? And there's so many still to do on top of the other ones I've made lmao RossEvans19 (talk) 01:12, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

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Before adding a category to an article, as you did to Category:2024 World Athletics Cross Country Championships, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. The category being added must already exist, and must be supported by the article's verifiable content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter. please don't add years to WP:EPON categories like this. ^SMason_Garrison 03:57, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

@Smasongarrison: Can you show me where the guidelines are for what should go in a topic compared to an article on the same subject? I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm genuinely asking as I looked at the page and couldn't find anything specifically for that. All I really know for sure is that establishment years etc don't go in the topic, and even then it's just from observing convention rather than seeing a written rule for it. I want to not only do it correctly myself but also point others to the right place if they are in doubt. Thanks. Crowsus (talk) 05:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

This quote explains why years is not usually relevant. The same princple applies to other year based categories: "The article New York City is in Category:Populated places established in 1624, but this category is not necessarily relevant to all the contents of Category:New York City, so it should not be used on the eponymous category." ~2026-13304-43 (talk) ^SMason_Garrison 06:41, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, but that is not very helpful in relation to the category/ article above - I fail to see how the topic for the championships is not valid as a 'March 2024 sports events in Europe' - by the way, many other single-sport and multi-sport events do have that category in both their main article and topic, I know that because I sorted them - so if that's the only guidance for every eponymous category, it's pretty flimsy as a stick to beat me with here. Crowsus (talk) 06:54, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

I'm not trying to beat you with a stick here. You asked me what specific policy language there was. I gave it to you. As you said, it is the norm that people follow,based on "observing convention rather than seeing a written rule for it." We don't have written rules for every single case. As you said that's the convention. So do you have a good reason why we should deviate from convention? Because I find that having categories in these year-like categories leads to lots of other articles and articles of subcategories being diffused incorrectly. (I'm happy to elaborate more on this, but if you're more interested in being WP:Pointy, it's not worth trying to think thru which is better for the project.) ^SMason_Garrison 16:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

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