User talk:Davidelit

Hi, I notice that you have reverted a change I made to the Ngurah Rai international airport (Garuda Airlines and Wakatobi charter). The reason you added for the revert was "a puff blog is not a reliable source". I'm new to this so not sure what is meant by puff blog.

The blog I linked to is from the Wakatobi Dive Resort. They are the owners of the airport (ICAO: WA44 / IATA : TQQ). The airstrip you have reverted back to is wrong as it is the Matahora airstrip on Wangi Wangi (ICAO : ?? / IATA : WNI).

This is a Google map link to the Matahora Airport (WNI) This is a Google map link to the Maranggo Airport (TQQ)

You will also see on the Wakatobi Regency Page under Flight Hub that there is mentioned;

"The main flight hub of the Wakatobi archipelago is Matahora Airport on Wangiwangi Island; a separate airstrip is also present on Tomea Island which is used exclusively to transport visitors of the Wakatobi Dive Resort."

So you can see that the current version for the Wakatobi charter flight is linking to the Matahora Airport which is wrong as the Wakatobi Resort charter flight is to the private airport Maranggo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antaboga (talk • contribs) 13:45, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

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As Wakatobi Dive Resort is the owner of the airport (and the blog post you deleted was from the Wakatobi Dive Resort) I don't understand why you reverted back to the outdated information.

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Hello, Mr. Davidelit. I've found your username in WikiProject Indonesia member list. I saw in WP Indonesia you're also interested in Indonesia politics. I've expanded Njoto and the article needs to be copyedited. I only use Google Books for references (all of the books are English) and one book from Tempo. I am not majoring in history but interested about Indonesian history. I'm affraid there are many inaccuracies too beside poor written English. Could you copyedit the article and remove the inaccuracies if any? Thanks in advance. MRFazry (talk) 05:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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there are always more idiots here :) JarrahTree 00:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC) like me ! I had tried to thank you and for some thumb presing bloody keybard it was a revert, sorry, have reverted self!! JarrahTree 07:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Davi, for North Sumatra article, part of ethnic and religion composition, it's according to 2000 Indonesian Census by Badan Pusat Statistik. Currently, the composition is not valid. Lets you cross-check in Wikipedia Bahasa Indonesia version. For GDP size of Jabodetabek, based on 2016 estimated and from Rustiadi et al. Thanks. Afandri (talk) 03:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

for something as simple as use english bet there are 1k stubs and arts that could do with that :) JarrahTree 01:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Probably... We do what we can...:-) Davidelit (Talk)

surrounded by them, where is the breathing apparatus, or has common sense evaporated into the stratosphere? JarrahTree 08:44, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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trust youre safe sound etc, just tinkering with lead sentences, please alert me if you think any of it needs fixing - cheers JarrahTree 12:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Davidelit. I just edit article Indonesia. Why did you revert? Did you find anything inappropriate? Afandri (talk) 07:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, you changed the ranking of Indonesia's nominal GDP, but it is still 16th - see List of countries by GDP (nominal). Regards Davidelit (Talk) 09:52, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Davidelit,

You recently reverted my deletion on Garuda Indonesia Flight 152. As I explained in my edit summary, the content I removed (which you reverted since it was referenced content), was not verifiable in the reference provided. The text and the reference claims that the information in the text (investigation results) were the results of the "official NTSB" report. After carefully reviewing official NTSB reports on the NTSB archives, I found that no NTSB investigation took place, and that the investigation that took place by the Indonesian safety board was not published. As such, the content in that section, while contained on another (unverified) source, is factually inaccurate, and should not be present in the article. --Hunterm267^Talk 06:04, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm just a casual viewer of this article. I am not involved in the minutiae. What this looks like is section blanking, content censorship, possibly a POV issue. This much content is not just removed for bad sentence structure. Rather than blanking this much sourced content, including the wikilink to the further information article, somebody better stop reverting and start doing some writing to FIX the problem, rather than remove the subject from the world's knowledge database. Trackinfo (talk) 08:37, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

No accusations toward you, you didn't start this. Removing an entire subject always looks suspicious. At least putting a wikilink is a minimal compromise. I think there should be at least a sentence or more to set up and summarize the subject. My own knowledge of the subject is based in OR, my wife is from Indonesia (which is why this is one of over 12,000 articles I watch). I've heard her stories and am familiar with the laws of the country that make women subservient to men. As a (the largest) Moslem majority country, its discriminatory policies toward women are probably the most liberal amongst that group. Which is to say, being anti-woman is a common, popular opinion amongst Indonesian people. So the POV of removing content with a Western perspective on women's rights would be relatively common from the internal Indonesian perspective. Trackinfo (talk) 08:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Dear Davidelit regarding my edit that you reverted on 3/Sept and 4/Sep and your request 17/Sept that I help your understanding of the subject. Perhaps you could explain what you are having trouble understanding? In the meanwhile I hope you may agree that the article is meant to be about the "History of Indonesia" and not "Theories of Indonesian History", and therefore where possible should contain facts in preference to theories. Facts are things like the Dutch in 1946 told the United Nations (see Assembly resolution 66) that the Netherlands was legally required to perform the functions of UN Charter article 73e in relationship to the Netherlands East Indies, which article 73e says is a "sacred trust" with purpose until the territory has a "full measure of self-government".

"self-government" = independence or whatever else your people decide they want to do which is what the word "self" is referring to. Its a concept people in other parts of the world have heard of from the UN Charter article 1 that its purpose is also to "develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples". That's what the Netherlands in 1946 has declared and legally locked itself into for Indonesia; the Church and other business owners might be pissed off and try to get get public support to demand the Hague undoes this commitment, but that is not an option allowed by 73e. And there's Sukarno who might not want the Javanese to be allowed to design their own government or vote for their own choice of leaders. Currently the article includes theories alleging the Netherlands had a unspoken policy never to allow independence, which have been popular theories for a long time and still are popular (especially in Indonesia); but including that theory should not be reason to exclude the fact that the Netherlands made a legal commitment about Indonesia at the United Nations in/from 1946.Daeron (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Dear Davidelit,

I started questioning the naming of cabinet position Minister of Public Works and Manpower after adding a link to Herling Laoh. It seemed odd that in some of the cabinets there was also a Minister of Labor. Also, there are some references about the position that talk about the dealings of the ministry related to power in terms of electric and water power 1 and 2.

Here are some other comments:

• First Ali Sastroamidjojo Cabinet, Second Ali Sastroamidjojo Cabinet, Djuanda Cabinet, Second Working Cabinet, Third Working Cabinet, Fourth Working Cabinet, Second Revised Dwikora Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Tenaga instead of Tenaga Kerja as is also seen in the following references related to Rooseno (first Ali Sastromidjojo cabinet): 1, 2, 3, and 4.

• First Working Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Tenaga Kerja, but there are some references that use Tenaga for Sarjono Dipokusumo: 1, 2, and 3.

• Dwikora Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Ketenagaan. These references associate the word to generated power: 1 and 2. Also, the naming in the next cabinet (Revised Dwikora Cabinet) for Setiadi Reksoprodjo shows this relationship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CakalangSantan (talk • contribs) 15:10, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you for your talk. I am a new here. I put a reference after you undo my editing. but i don't know why it still can't be seen. only a notice about dispute. If you are not busy, you can kindly put the reference in Majapahit article about Kings name, reign, religion in majapahit empire, and Mahapatih name. Badrika, I wayan 1994. Sejarah nasional Indonesia dan umum untuk sma kelas 1 kurikulum 1994, Jakarta:Erlangga

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play with my added refs from trove if they are in the wrong places JarrahTree 04:27, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I see you just reverted my edit regarding Indonesia's military influence. Honestly, I don't understand your reason put there in the edit summary as it too short for me to understand. Can you explain it more in detail?

Thanks!AdaCiccone (talk) 05:43, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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It seems that BPUPKI is not wrong. See here --

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badan_Penyelidik_Usaha_Persiapan_Kemerdekaan_Indonesia

So both BPUPK and BPUPKI seem to be OK. Pmccawley (talk) 01:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Leaving aside the lack of credibility of most articles on the largely unreferenced Indonesian language Wikipedia, "BPUPKI" is definitely wrong. The BPUPK was established by the Japanese 16th Army in Java, which had no influence over the rest of the future Indonesia. Sumatra was occupied by the 25th Army, and the rest of the Dutch East Indies was controlled by the Japanese navy. The addition of the "I" was part of the New Order propaganda narrative (like the "Budi Utomo being a national organization), backed by Yamin's self-serving account of the proceedings. See Kusuma, A.B.; Elson, R.E. (2011), A note on the sources for the 1945 constitutional debates in Indonesia, Bijdragen tot de taal-, land- en volkenkunde / Journal of the Humanities and Social Sciences of Southeast Asia, 167 (2-3): 196 – 209, doi:10.1163/22134379-90003589, ISSN 0006-2294. Regards Davidelit (Talk) 02:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for replying. I appreciate it. I assure you that don't want to make too much of a fuss about this.
  I now have looked up the Kusuma and Elson article. Thank you for the reference. They have clearly looked into the matter quite closely. I notice that there are several references to a work entitled Risalah BPUPKI dan PPKI (at p. 207, for example). This seems to suggest that the term BPUPKI was at least acceptable in some circles. However, I appreciate the points you make about the role of the Japanese 16th Army in Java at the time and the implications of this. At the end of it all, I'm not quite sure what the exact status of BPUPKI is. However, as you say, whatever the precise status of BPUPKI, I agree that it seems better to refer to BPUPK. And thank you for the courtesy of responding. Pmccawley (talk) 06:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the response. The Risalah... publication - by Saafroedin Bahar,Ananda B.Kusuma and Nannie Hudawati - was part of the New Order (my copy is dated 1985) propaganda efforts to simultaneously proclaim Pancasila as the "holy grail" while not encouraging worship of Sukarno, who came up with it. The Saafroedin et al book is entirely based on Yamin's work (as thoroughly discredited by Kusma and Elson) in which he claims to have come up with a version of Pancasila first. The addition of the I was not only acceptable. but obligatory, having been (mis-)taught on schools, and to question it was bordering on being anti-Indonesia... Regards Davidelit (Talk) 07:19, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgggggggggggghhhhhh. or words to that effect - something like a rubrics cube, or gordian know, or cyclical something or other. Pity we no longer have a dedicated and committed admin in the project with a presence... the spelling variation will go on for ever i think...JarrahTree 00:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, yes. In the meantime I'm trying to stop the bigger idiots... Davidelit (Talk) 01:00, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

no shortage of them JarrahTree 02:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

The secret is to stick to obscure articles - nobody can be bothered to make silly changes to Parindra, for example :-) 02:16, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hi David, regarding your revert here, I didn't remove the alt text, but moved to the parameter in the infobox designed for it. I'm assuming the parameter actually functions, but I don't know how to test it to see if it is working properly. Did you confirm that the alt text was not functioning before you reverted? If it's not working, then we'll need to find someone to take a look at {{Infobox aircraft begin}} and try to fix it. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

My apologies - I was distracted and completely misread your edit. I did check it was working before, but not after. Davidelit (Talk) 04:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

No worries. I misread diffs a lot more than I'd like! - BilCat (talk) 04:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello, this is how the man signed :

. And Jakarta's main airport is called Soekarno-Hatta International Airport. "Sukarno" is a "Western" invention that prevails because as you know the "West" still dominates the world... Humboldt 18:31, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

You will see in the April WEO 2019 that Indonesia's 2018 numbers are NOT "IMF staff estimates". Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

The IMF released their 2019 WEO this month (April 2019): so no, we are not looking at the same page.KREOH (talk) 04:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

In this link you will find NO shaded cells for 2018, it is all grey.
Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

"Shaded cells indicate IMF staff estimates" will still be written up there even though the numbers shown are in grey cells (this indicates they are official figures and not estimates), this is why "est." was removed in the article edits. It is like this for every country. Do not disrupt the work being done.
Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

In this link they are in a different color from the other table cells because of the background color of the website itself. The table format extends the more years there are added.KREOH (talk) 05:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

You will see here that the table cells with the descriptions are white, 2018 year cells are grey and 2019 cells are green. This is because the table starts going outside the website's bounds the more years there are added to it. Hopefully this clears up any confusion.KREOH (talk) 05:12, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

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Well, there are a lot of books the DPR opened for public. For example, the Committee for Inter-Parliamentary Cooperation can be made by this book, while this article is based on this, even though the book isn't quite neutral.
Also, my late grandfather is a 1956 graduate from the Politics Faculty, so he has several books regarding the DPR RIS and Temporary DPR.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 07:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Update: I think you can just simply copy right off the first book into the article, due to the public domain nature of the book and the consistency of the book.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 07:07, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I from the Russian Wikipedia. You know the Indonesian language, right? If so then can you translate some phrases into English, please?

I will wait for an answer. And sorry for my bad English. ЗарегалсяДабыСделатьПравкуСтатьи (talk) 21:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I speak Indonesian. Which phrases do you need translating? Regards Davidelit (Talk) 03:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I do need translating the following phrases: "Pada saat bernyanyi, otot diafragma dapat memberi dorongan yang kuat kepada paru-paru serta dapat mengatur tenaga aliran udara melalui batang tenggorokan yang menggetarkan selaput suara yang masuk melalui mulut. Tetapi, tidak menutup kemungkinan pada saat perform juga menggunakan pernafasan dada dan kepala."

"Udara keluar dari paru-paru melewati tenggorokan yang digetarkan agar suara terdengar lebih nyaring. [...] Menghirup karakter suaranya cenderung lemah dari pada mendorong suara ke luar. Pada saat tampil di acara musik metal vokalis juga mencampurkan pernafasan dada dan kepala sebagai olahan menghasilkan suara pig-squeals tetapi yang lebih dominan dalam vokal exhale menggunakan pernafasan perut."

I write an article about extreme vocal technique that is known as "pig squeal"... I didn't know who else to ask. ЗарегалсяДабыСделатьПравкуСтатьи (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

"When a person sings, the diaphragm muscle applies strong pressure on the lungs, and can regulate the flow of air through the trachea, which vibrates the vocal cords, that enters via the mouth. But this does not eliminate the possibility that the air from the lungs and the head are also used when performing."

"Air leaves the lungs through the throat, which vibrates to make the sound louder. [...] [when?] inhaling, the character of the voice tends to be weaker than when pushing the sound out. When appearing at a metal music program, a vocalist also mixes breath from the chest and head to produce the pig squeal, but those with more dominant vocals exhale air from the stomach."

I hope this makes sense - I'm not an expert on anatomy. Davidelit (Talk) 14:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Now I can finish the article. ЗарегалсяДабыСделатьПравкуСтатьи (talk) 15:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey do you have any remaining portraits of Suharto, like this one on the far left corner of the picture? Further question, do you have any posters such as that?--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry - though I had replied to this. I have a few, but I think the 1973 photo now on the article is the best choice. I have one of the cabinet posters somewhere, but I'd have to do some excavating to find it... Regards Davidelit (Talk) 01:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@Davidelit: Good news, I've found a poster (not really, it's in a book) of the Fourth Development Cabinet. The poster (duh) might provide a handful of portraits.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 12:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Good news! Davidelit (Talk) 03:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Please contact me if you want to extract logo from a picture. I could simply create an svg by tracing the image.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 06:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

How is using the word "blood purge" to describe the politically motivated genocide of 3 million people "vandalism"? 190.46.133.59 (talk) 14:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Your use of the term is your interpretation. Wikipedia needs citations. Also it is not necessary to use both abortive and attempt. Please discuss this at the talk psge. Thanks. Davidelit (Talk) 14:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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Wayang come from the Javanese language, there are many types of puppet shadow/theatre in this world, for the wayang version itself comes from Java in Indonesia Jayaagung (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

too much debate, the fact is Parang and Golok come from Indonesia! we speak originated! not who is wearing! Jayaagung (talk) 11:25, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@Davidelit: Hello, would you like to join and support the WikiProject United States of Indonesia? It covers article such as the State of Pasundan. If yes, please show your support by signing in the "Support" section of the proposal. Thank you.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 01:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't know how to contact @bagas chrisara, i think @bagas chrisara is vandalism, please remove my block, wil you remove my block in wikipedia indonesia ???? Hidayat44 (talk) 06:46, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Davidellt, I guess the solution with the dab instead of the prod is fine with you. –Austronesier (talk) 09:08, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

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2. Drees–Van Schaik cabinet
3. Le Bel–Van 't Hoff rule

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@Davidelit: Davidelit, I saw that you remove Rizal Nurdin from the list of national hero of Indonesia about ten years ago. The last appearance of Rizal Nurdin in the list was in here, and the first disappearance was here. Why do you remove his name? --Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 10:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Davidelit. I am trying to identify the first women elected to parliament in Indonesia (for a list I am compiling of all the first women MPs in different countries). Based on a report from the Inter-Parliamentary Union (which I have to admit has proven wrong for several countries), women (17 of them) were elected for the first time in 1955 elections (I found details on some female members of the Volksraad but they appeared to have all been appointed members).

I saw there is a list of MPs elected in 1955 on id.wiki, but I only managed to identify 15 women (the ones with the title Ny.). Is there a reliable source you can point me to that contains the names of the women elected (and would confirm the number)? Cheers, Number 57 16:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the comprehensive response. I can understand how frustrating it is – I've found conflicting information for several countries, particularly Venezuela, where every source seems to have a different number and/or list of names... Do you let me know if you ever come across any more useful info in this area, particularly one that has a list of names attached. Number 57 17:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear David,

I received your email. The last edit page is without any link to external website. May I know is there any other error we have made? Please advise

Tq — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dd993f2 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I found this document from the Ministry of Information relating to the borders of the Federal District: "Pada waktu penyerahan kedaulatan, pemerintahan di Jakarta terdiri atas seorang Gubernur yang menguasai suatu daerah yang dinamakan “federal distrik” dengan batas timur yaitu Kali Bekasi, batas selatan adalah Kecamatan Kedunghalang, batas barat Kewedanaan Balaraja dan batas sebelah utara ialah Laut Jawa. Di dalam federal distrik ini terdapat Residen untuk Ommelanden dan Burgemeester untuk daerah Kota Jakarta dengan batas timur Kecamatan Pulo Gadung dan Kali Cakung, batas selatan Kecamatan Pasar Rebo (Mampang Prapataan), Kebayoran Ilir, batas barat Kecamatan Kebon Jeruk (Cengkareng), dan batas utara adalah Laut Jawa. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 04:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey, regarding the recent changes to the Indonesian Army. I'm just asking, does it have to be on the lede? I checked the Armies of ASEAN and no mentioned of Human Rights violations on those pages. Those that mentioned are on different sections of the page like Vietnam on Lao Insurgency. I have no problem with the violations on the "History" section but putting it on the lede feels out of place considering other Armies doesn't have any. I checked US Army and Armed Forces also the Russian Armed Forces and Ground Forces and no mention of Human Rights Violations, etc. either. So is it possible to undo your latest changes on the Indonesian Army? and keep it on "History" section only?EvoSwatch (talk) 01:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Isn't this arbitrary deletion of you strange?() Why should the statement of objective facts from a source written on the basis of proper evidence be deleted? Is it a rule that such selfish suppression of speech holds in the English version of Wikipedia? I was disappointed with your intolerance. It is a clear fact that the statue of General Sudirman was donated by Indonesia to Japan, and it is also true that Hatta and Sukarno thanked Japan for the date of the Declaration of Independence (because they say so). Maybe it's a fact that Americans don't want to admit, but it's a historical fact, so please be fair and neutral.
It is well known that Sukarno is pro-Japanese, and there are many official words of appreciation from Indonesian government officials for their independence to Japan, but the English version of Wikipedia does not mention such historical facts. I feel an intimidating atmosphere that I shouldn't do. And look at some articles, there are a lot of misunderstandings and mistakes about Japan, and the English version is not a very reliable encyclopedia for articles related to Japan. --みしまるもも (talk) 11:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC) add --みしまるもも (talk) 12:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

• User:みしまるもも, this is the English Wikipedia. English sources are not required, but are of course preferred. To start clamoring about "intolerance" and "selfish suppression of speech" is really over the top, and to throw in that this is somehow an American POV is silly. In addition, some of your phrasing, here and in article space, seems to have been created using Google Translate--this is garbled, and that's before we get to the part where you seem to be on a crusade to deny or efface war crimes. Drmies (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Excuse me for using words like "Is it racial discrimination against the Japanese" yesterday, which may have made me feel uncomfortable.

But, you misunderstand me and the refer sources. I do not say that everything Japan has done is good, and I do not deny that Japan forced the Indonesian people to struggle. However, in this article, there are numbers that were too exaggerated and inaccuracies. And the refer sources I used are good evident in the official papers and books of many serious researchers. Also, it is the fact that there is both the merits and demerits of Japan in Indonesia, it is the historical facts which many researchers said. But this article lacked the "merits" aspect, so I edited the aspect and balanced the article.

Nevertheless, you are reversing it all. It's a very emotional act and strange. It may be because the book's title made you uncomfortable (Eye-catching title for sale), but the content in the book is fair and well-founded. Regarding other sources, the researchers wrote accept the "sin" of Japan, and they state that the "merit" aspect of Japan is also an important historical fact. I want you to trust me more, and please be fair.--みしまるもも (talk) 01:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Davidelit, thanks to one of your links, i have found this book. At page 12, the book gave us some sneak peek of the geographical form of the State of Pasundan; do you think this is accurate? Please reply at the bottom of this message and ping me. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 11:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I just want to asks about your recent reverted edit on KRI Irian page. The question is about "directly copy-pasted from https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/supertest-pan-asian-cruiser-irian/", I want to inform you that they took the reference from Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1947–1995 page 178 because it had exact same sentences from the book, so i think they can't claimed any copyright?

I already explained this issue on my talk page before and got no answer, do you think that maybe we can find a best way to keep the content that already reverted? Because the credible articles about KRI Irian is very hard to find and if there's one, it's murky and I think we all have responsibility to give others the correct and neutral history as a lesson for future generation

I'm expecting your replies, thankyou IndonesiaSocmedController (talk) 18:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thankyou for your attention, i think the deletion of the page is the best way right now, atleast until there are an official information/article from the government but do you think that it could be proposed as a stub article instead of deletion? Regards, IndonesiaSocmedController (talk) 05:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thankyou for your attention, i think the deletion of the page is the best way right now, atleast until there are an official information/article from the government but do you think that it could be proposed as a stub article instead of deletion? Regards, IndonesiaSocmedController (talk) 05:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

you just like to revert my edits at this point. your actions are unconstructive and disruptive. i will report you to wiki admin if you don't stop reverting people's edits just for fun. Rantemario (talk) 02:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding reversing my edit on the page of the President of Indonesia. The formal nickname for the former president of Indonesia was "Paduka Yang Mulia" which was originally the equivalent of the word "Heika" which was the official nickname for the Japanese emperor. So in my opinion there is nothing wrong with the phrase "Paduka Yang Mulia" translated as "Your Majesty" because it was originally called the head of the monarchy, and now the official nickname used is Yang Terhormat which means in English is The Honorable, why do you reverse too... Juan Felix Kurnianto (talk) 09:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, over at Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies, in this edit you added a citation to The Mute's Soliloquy by Pramoedya Ananta Toer, with the ISBN listed as 781134254279. This is obviously incorrect because it's 12 digits long, and the obvious correction, inserting a 9 at the beginning to resolve it to 978-1-134-25427-9, ends up coming up in WorldCat as Richard McMillan's The British occupation of Indonesia, so that's also clearly incorrect.

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@Renata3: Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. Davidelit (Talk) 06:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

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Refer to your edit here. While I agree to placement of the sentence is a bit out of place, but I dont understand on "why did you think source from Veterans' Legion of Indonesia is not WP:RS?". Do you mind to elaborate that? Thank you. Ckfasdf (talk) 08:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ckfasdf: Hi. I felt that the WP:RS tag was appropriate because apart from clear bias in a source that has a vested interest in inflating the number and the vagueness of "Di Indonesia ini tercatat ada 863.432 Veteran Pejuang" (meaning they are registered as having claimed to have participated), it is a striking mismatch with the (cited) figure of 250,00 in the infobox. Incidentally I have my doubts about the source for the majority of Indian volunteers being killed. Any thoughts on that? Regards Davidelit (Talk) 08:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding striking difference in number, Veterans' Legion of Indonesia refer to definition of veteran as stipulated in regulation (initial regulation: article 3 of PP 34/1985 and last changed in Article 21 PP 31/2018), whereas the criteria for "Veteran Pejuang Kemerdekaan" is kind of low (Veteran Pejuang Kemerdekaan Republik Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam ayat (1) huruf a dibagi menjadi 5 (lima) golongan, yaitu Veteran Pejuang Kemerdekaan Republik Indonesia : e. Golongan E, dengan masa perjuangan sedikit-dikitnya 6 (enam) bulan dan sebanyak-banyaknya 11 (sebelas) bulan. and Veteran Pejuang Kemerdekaan Republik Indonesia adalah warga negara Indonesia yang dalam masa revolusi fisik antara tanggal 17 Agustus 1945 sampai dengan tanggal 27 Desember 1949).

IMO that number is still possible since not all of them are active at one given time. Whereas, the figure in infobox most likely refer to total combatant at one given time. Also again that number is based on number of membership in Veterans' Legion of Indonesia, so it may be considered as WP:PRIMARY, but then it still can be used in article. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

For comparison, approved US military strength for Operation Enduring Freedom is 75,000 personnel. And yet, total US military veteran during that time is 2.8 million person. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

That's a logical argument, which I accept. If you can find a logical place to insert the claim, I won't remove it :-) Regards Davidelit (Talk) 10:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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Why that edit was reverted? Please explain. Here is my note:

That edit in the article regarding the dietary law for the Muslims. This footnote was being added to note for the Muslims when is very important to follow by the Sharia (Islamic law), which is a key note, the rule in haram (forbidden) is "3. Pork - all parts of a pig are prohibited." and "4. Animals slaughtered in the name other than Allah.". in that article regarding Islamic dietary laws are mentioned in haram: "Haram is typically classified as Haram li-dhatih (textual haram) and Haram li-ghayrih (derivative rules)." When that pork is not considered halal (permissible) in Islamic law.

What is our idea about this? (look in the up). TentingZones1 (talk) 09:17, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I deleted it as per WP:ROC. Dietary laws according to a particular belief system are irrelevant to an article on food. In any case, the ban on meat from pigs does not only apply to Islam. Davidelit (Talk) 10:40, 21 December 2025 (UTC)