User talk:Electricmaster

Hello Electricmaster, This is to let you know that one of your recent edits at Jordan Dawson caused a citation error. Do not add invalid URLs and use preview before saving your edit. Happy editing.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 07:15, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Further to this, stop running the bot on player articles while it's continuing to cause errors, change the formatting, etc. – create a testcase or use your sandbox or something. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 10:58, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Completely understandable. I'm planning on running a sandbox with manual approval based on your suggestion. I cut the bot short but would be welcoming help where it's offered. Electricmaster (talk) 11:40, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

OK, cool – thanks. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Again, please don't test on player articles, especially when the bot is still making some of the same errors as last time. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 11:34, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

I need to do live tests with minimal disruption. I intend to make manual reversions within a few short minutes during off-peak time. These changes should, at least, not lead to errors (redundancy notwithstanding). Electricmaster (talk) 11:37, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

Some of the changes are good, yes, but if they're going to create new errors at the same time (e.g. removing the {{0}}s in the infobox, duplicating references), you need to dial it back... if you want to do live tests, just do a handful of players or something, at least to start with. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 04:01, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

4TheWinnye, I can understand your frustration, but you're missing the bigger picture. I literally am doing one player at a time, going through each change, figuring out the issues (if any), and paving them over ASAP. I've picked the off-season for the absolute lowest impact. I will go through now and fix the formatting in the info box and look over the duplicated references. The fact is that nobody else is going to automate this process (or they would have done it years ago), so I've taken it in my own hands to ensure stats are properly synced, checked for accuracy, and made consistent between pages. Again, I really appreciate the hard work you've put in over the years for this project and the Aussie rules subproject, but it would be much more helpful to work collaboratively rather than combatively.

I am now going to go through and fix the duplicate source issues, but some specificity to the actual issues would be helpful rather than just getting upset. I think I have a hand on the zeros glitch and will try to patch it now.

Electricmaster (talk) 04:33, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

If you're starting to go through all of the players one at a time but the bot is still creating errors, and not all of them are being manually fixed, then I don't see why it's an issue to at least bring it to your attention and suggest dialling it back until all of the issues are fixed. I just mentioned the {{0}}s and duplicated references (for players where AFL Tables is already sourced in the prose), and previously mentioned one decimal point, starting the games cell on a new line (more than once), among other things – how have I not been specific? Probably the only other thing I can think of off the top of my head is making sure the pipe is used in the club templates (e.g. {{AFL|WB}} not {{AFL WB}}), which occasionally gets missed. You also had a second go at the Patrick Cripps article even though I said that it's fine how it was (it's already formatted correctly and up-to-date, as it's one of the player articles that I edit, same with Jordan Dawson), so I think it's perfectly reasonable that I'd be at least a little annoyed about it. I'm not missing the bigger picture or trying to be combative, as I've already said that I'd be happy to help where possible and I understand that you're trying to fix as you go, but rather than go through a large chunk of the players and potentially miss errors here and there (even when trying to manually fix them), this is a scenario where just doing a few players to start with, maybe running them by me or something until all of the code/formatting is correct, and then starting to go through them all one at a time would be more productive than having to double back/potentially make multiple edits to some of the articles. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 05:15, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

Only two changes from the rehashed batch of 160:

      - Zac Williams

29,67 dual guernsey numbers in 2017 (check if this has any knock-on effects; should robustly fix this for all other dual-number players in a season automatically, though this is speculative)

If a player (first discovered player Todd Goldstein) has hit outs (obviously, this is a useful stat for rucks) and has it listed, it makes sense to keep it in, but how should this be tabulated? I’d say it doesn’t really make sense to have every player have their hit outs listed. Should it just be players listed as rucks or if they reach a minimum average threshold? If they rank in the top 50 in the league (just throwing a random number out there). If you include it everywhere, then the advanced stats will be needlessly bloated, I’d wager. It absolutely makes sense to include hit out stats for Goldstein, but is there a way to automate this? What about in other categories? I could create a script that includes stats that meet a certain historical record (top 10 all time most rebounds, #1 most frees for, etc.) Food for thought.

Zac’s is an obvious change, it seems, but I think figuring out consistency is imperative.

Please let me know how I should proceed and if you notice any other changes I'm missing. I'll implement them ASAP. P.S. It seems like most teams only have about three or four players in a given season getting any hit outs, so I'm going to include any hit outs in the advanced stats, as it should not be very disruptive. I'll put it in for now, but I'm open to debate on it for a rollback. Electricmaster (talk) 07:38, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

I have a solution to fixing this, and if you're willing to work with me, we can eliminate all the issues together harmoniously. Here are my observations and a simple plan for minimising time, stress, and problems:

1) I have absolutely no issue with you bringing these to my attention; in fact, I welcome and encourage it. I had tried to organise it more formally beforehand, but it seems sometimes you need to take the Ethereum approach to get people to help by making and breaking it. I also agree that this lone-wolf fire-first-and-ask-questions-later approach is counterproductive and frustrating.

2) Contrary to what you may think, I am not just some random firehose of destruction. The script itself works through players methodically. At any time, I can restart back from the start for a second pass to test new code versions.

3) I can tell you (or anyone) which pages have been changed. If everything looks right, then I can continue to make more updates. I can then you (or anyone) double-check these pages for any issues.

4) I understand your frustrations with the minor edits to pages which are already technically sound, but usually this is the effect of a new version of the bot, not something I've done haphazardly or maliciously.

5) Summary: I am happy to do a batch of 100 each time. Perhaps only a handful will get altered at all, and I will do multiple passes based on your feedback. When I do this, I will list the players changed, including a very brief (automated) summary of what was changed. Once all 100 have done a completely refreshed revision with no discernible mistakes, I can then proceed to do another 5 live changes. We can sieve through these. Rinse and repeat until the entire active roster has been updated.

Extra notes:

If you agree to this, I'd be happy to rework the code for previous seasons. This would be useful for including historical advanced stats, Brownlow votes, checking for any statistical inaccuracies (there were a few mistakes that my bot picked up, as I'm sure you noticed). I would be fully willing to seek your guidance with any historical corrections. Once this is done, we can repeat the process once the 2026 season starts, using the same tiptoe approach as I'm trying to implement now. You probably also noticed that the player order is based on club order. Just putting that out there in the very unlikely chance you missed it.

P.P.S. I see the problem with the Cripps update now. It seems the Brownlow-winning season code wasn't included (I didn't know [or forgot] that it was in there). Are there any other things like that? I think the leading stats feature could be good as in the Matthew Lloyd stats section. Problem is that there is variance between pages. I'm working on code to plan for that contingency. Working on parsing the first 100 now. Will let you know.

Electricmaster (talk) 05:47, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

If you can, rather than worry about including or excluding the hitout stat, just get the code to skip over players that already have hitouts listed and come back to them later or something; otherwise, we don't need to include other stats, just the basic ones that are already there. I'm consistently seeing the stats for each season being moved onto the same line as the season information; to be even more explicit, the first line should be <season><club><number>, then games and stats should start on a new line, just like in this example that I already gave you at my user talk page:

|-
| [[2017 AFL season|2017]] || {{AFL|Ess}} || 4
| 20 || 2 || 6 || 194 || 278 || 472 || 97 || 84 || 0.1 || 0.3 || 9.7 || 13.9 || 23.6 || 4.9 || 4.2 || 0

As far as where the section sits in the article, it goes AFL career, Statistics, Honours and achievements, other prose (e.g. Personal life), References; this is also something that I'm seeing changed often when it shouldn't be. With the highlighted cells, there used to be more categories, but now there are only three: premiership, stats leader (at the end of the season, so ignore just H&A and after finals) and Brownlow/WB&F. And yes, I did notice that you were working on the players alphabetically by club. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 12:42, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

If you can, rather than worry about including or excluding the hitout stat, just get the code to skip over players that already have hitouts listed and come back to them later or something; otherwise, we don't need to include other stats, just the basic ones that are already there.

This was my plan A. If the column exists, or if a data pulldown in the future detects a new column (regardless of what it is), it will integrate that new column header and then update those stats. My thinking is that the automation will adapt to manual changes dynamically.

As far as where the section sits in the article, it goes AFL career, Statistics, Honours and achievements, other prose (e.g. Personal life), References; this is also something that I'm seeing changed often when it shouldn't be. With the highlighted cells, there used to be more categories, but now there are only three: premiership, stats leader (at the end of the season, so ignore just H&A and after finals) and Brownlow/WB&F.

Extremely helpful insight regarding ordering. Reminds me of the royal order of adjectives. (Okay, I suspect you have that memorised.) Electricmaster (talk) 13:16, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

I'm 95% the 0 glitch is fixed in the codebase. Please double-check on Chris Burgess auto-fix. Electricmaster (talk) 01:08, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

My bot has just reprocessed Jordan Dawson. I think all the changes are pretty superficial, but it's just the bot doing its thing.

If possible, could you please double-check the two versions and give a detailed breakdown about what is an acceptable change and what is not? You can even just say which changes (using relevant string) are good, neutral (doesn't harm but is not necessary), or bad (even if subtly so). I'll then factor in your thoughts and refactor the code tomorrow. Thanks again. Electricmaster (talk) 09:19, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

Fair enough:

• Removing the extra space in the infobox – Y
• Moving the Notes header out of the Statistics section to directly above it – N
• Changing to "...the 2025 season" as opposed to simply "...2025" – Y
• Adding/changing a ref name – N (another thing that could result in duplicate references; either way, should be left alone)
• Switching 'title' and 'URL' parameters around – N (for consistency with other related pages, 'title' should come first)
• Changing the 'work' parameter to 'publisher' – Y
• Adding hitouts – big N
• Removing zero-game seasons – N
• Adjusting averages to round down and not up (e.g. 8.25 should be 8.3, not 8.2) – N
• Moving the notelist up a space and having two below rather than one on either side – N

Some of these should be pretty self-explanatory. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 17:24, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks. I've updated the bot per your exact instructions. I've processed Jordan Dawson and Sam Day as examples. Please check these have updated correctly. I've checked a few of the averages, and they seem to be rounding up correctly now. If you have any further notes, I will update accordingly. Once you're 100% satisfied, I will process another handful of players to test again, minimising and potential disturbances. If you have any other concerns, please let me know. Electricmaster (talk) 01:23, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

See this edit to summarise the changes it's still making that it shouldn't. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 03:42, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Right. I've figured out the new rounding bug and other formatting issues as per your comments. The bot ran without updating Dawson's page.

Please check the Izak Rankine, which was a new update. Keep in mind I manually added the guernsey number for Rankine here. My if/then plan for handling this very minor issue is as follows:

1) If the guernsey number is already established without an AFL Tables data point for this field, don't automatically override it;

2) If it doesn't exist, place a "?" (not a 0) with an inline cleanup tag {{clarification needed}} with the reason instruction being "Please manually search for the listed number for this season, as it is not on AFL Tables and may not be the same as future seasons". Electricmaster (talk) 07:04, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

1) Okay, so I've done the "?" edit to prevent a 0 value being edited, prompting editors to manually update these. Please check the penultimate Izak Rankine edit to see how this would apply (as current version has the manual override I did). James Peatling is a fresh update. It had AnomieBOT fix it after, but I'll try to incorporate that into future edits automatically to streamline things (i.e. it's a low priority and will only apply if the change would be made for another reason). Ben Keays averages also updated.

2) Revised code on a second pass. Alex Neal-Bullen found an extra tackle in the stats compared to your last revision. Guessing these minor changes were done post hoc? It's not unheard of for stats to be tweaked upon revision (famously the record for most disposals in a grand final record was altered on review). I've made the bot automatically and dynamically align the stats for perfect alignment, and updated stats should also automatically make a page archive and then incorporate that link. Mitch Hinge and Jordan Dawson are samples that have the most current features. Please check these features to make sure everything looks good, plus all the existing concerns.

Cheers. Electricmaster (talk) 10:49, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

You'll also notice I've applied an citation needed for Mitch Hinge regarding his early numbers. It seems neither AFL Tables nor australianfootball.com tracks this information. In many cases, players, especially rookies, have numbers that are different prior to getting their first game. While this is a minor concern, I've got the bot to not override jumper numbers that exist already manually; however, I have programmed it to put on a citation tag and a hidden comment in the data that explains exactly what to do in order to have the tag get removed on subsequent syncs; namely, to place a secondary citation as like I manually did for Izak Rankine in the advanced statistics section.

Mitch Hinge may well have been 42 at Brisbane, but neither tables show this, and there's nothing that I can tell in the page that indicates this. In other words, the onus is on the editors to give a valid citation to show this. Please let me know what you think of this idea as well as the other changes. Electricmaster (talk) 14:28, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Yes, sounds like a solid plan; Rankine's table was mostly formatted correctly, but see this edit to see what I fixed (any player numbers that need sourcing in situations like Rankine's should be added to the number itself, not at the top of the section); otherwise, the bot did still update Dawson's article a few times, including this edit that should have been reverted but wasn't, so I just restored the article then. The main error that these two had in common was that the Brownlow total for the zero-game seasons was changed from '0' to '—', but as with the games column, this should be a zero, not a dash. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 01:57, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

(any player numbers that need sourcing in situations like Rankine's should be added to the number itself, not at the top of the section)

Yeah, I was wondering about this. I think for simplicity's sake I'll change the hidden comment to direct to be next to the numbers themselves (and for the code to look there rather than at the top), changing the wording accordingly to the numbers themselves rather than the table header.

but as with the games column, this should be a zero, not a dash.

Fair and logical enough. I'll work it into the new code. Can I assume that every aspect is working as intended? Electricmaster (talk) 02:34, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

I've looked at your suggestions and approve on both counts.

I've made changes to 20-odd pages. Please have a gander and let me know if there are issues remaining. If you approve with this methodology, I'll process more. Electricmaster (talk) 03:59, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

I had a look at this edit on Taylor Walker's article, for example, and the two main issues that popped up were that active players shouldn't have their archive added until they've retired, as there's no use archiving a source that's still updating (so Matt Crouch, yes, but Walker, no), and those who played at least one game in 2020 should have the COVID note and notelist added – in this case, it just added a bunch of extra spaces; this edit at Dawson's article also added an extra space unnecessarily, so it's still doing it when it's not supposed to. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:44, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. Gonna get this rock-solid. Wouldn't happen without you, man. ;) Electricmaster (talk) 03:19, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

Changed 5 pages. I'll await your notes. Electricmaster (talk) 04:18, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

Have you had a chance to skim over the 20 most recent edits? Electricmaster (talk) 01:04, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey; sorry for the delay – been a pretty busy few days. I just looked at Walker's page again, and this edit was mostly good, except every page requiring the notelist should have it formatted like this:

|}

'''Notes'''
{{Notelist}}

==<whatever the next section is>==

That seems to be the main issue at the moment. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 06:29, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. Hope you're well. I've addressed your comments and worked them in. I've done 30 pages. Hopefully the notelist formatting looks consistent.

This was what it changed:

Electricmaster (talk) 08:11, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

Now it's duplicating the COVID note (see this edit, for example). 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:23, 31 January 2026 (UTC)

Why did you change the target of the COVID note (e.g. this edit)? I linked to the sports article, and specifically to the Australian rules football section, for a reason. The bot also moved Dawson's (lack of) 2016 stats back onto one line. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:27, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, I’m going to fix this after the tennis. I’m also going to cut down changes until it’s stable again. Not sure why that error was introduced. Electricmaster (talk) 10:20, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

Electricmaster (talk) 12:49, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

It still changed the note (due to the [[Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports#Australian rules football|impact of the COVID-19 pandemic]] → due to the impact of the [[Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports#Australian rules football|COVID-19 pandemic]]) – "impact of the" should be in the link. How could it make a different error this time? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:06, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

I don't know how that happened. I hope this fixed it:

Electricmaster (talk) 13:30, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

Nope – same thing happened again. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:43, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

I apologise for the persistent error. It seems I made an error in the correction

I have now explicitly corrected the code to place "impact of the" inside the link:

[[Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports#Australian rules football|impact of the COVID-19 pandemic]]

I've done a test script and run it for 15 players (starting from the beginning). If there are still any issues, please point to an exemplar article which is 100% correct regarding stats and formatting, including archived stats, perfect formatting, and some formatting such as being a premiership-winning season. I can then run a cross-referencing script against it.

Electricmaster (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

I don't mean to press you, but do you have any updates? Otherwise, I'll start processing more pages. Electricmaster (talk) 02:45, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

Sorry again for the delay – been a bit of a stressful time off-Wiki; I checked a handful of them – looking good so far, so all clear to proceed further. Just make sure if you come across any where Personal life, etc. is positioned between AFL career and Statistics, it should be AFL career, Statistics, Honours and achievements, and then the rest. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 14:47, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

That's a huge relief. Thanks so much, and I'm sorry to hear you're having a stressful go of anything.

Electricmaster (talk) 10:56, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

I have done a complete scan. Since there's about 600 changes, I've put it in a pastebin link to minimise clutter: https://pastebin.com/at7NMfch

As you probably know, there are still some pages for players who have made debuts but still don't have a page yet (Hamish Davis and Rhett Bazzo, for example, the latter of which has played 28 games since 2022!!!). When these pages are made, the bot should find them on the next scan and update them accordingly. Having looked into this further, this seems to be a particular problem with West Coast players. I seem to recall reading that, while playing even just a single AFL game alone generally warrants inclusion, this is apparently not automatic for consideration. Personally, I think all players who've played at least one AFL game should be included for completeness, but that's just me.

Are there plans to create pages for those players? One alternative I have is to create a barebones player page with a default stub that has their stats windows and basic bio information such as their draft year and selection, date of birth, club info, and when they made their debut. I could also automatically create a tag that would request an editor flesh out said pages upon page creation. Please let me know what you think. Electricmaster (talk) 06:00, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

I'm aware of the richmond issue. Will fix this issue in 3 hours. Electricmaster (talk) 11:30, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

OK, cool. Unfortunately with the tightening of WP:GNG, it makes things a bit trickier, as much as I'm sure others would also like to create the articles for the sake of completeness; but yeah, as far as your proposal, that's something that should be discussed at project level. Also, edits like this one shouldn't happen; when a player's career finishes, "Updated to..." is no longer needed (in the table or the infobox), so it's removed and the reference is moved to Career in the bottom row of the table. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 08:13, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

I am in the process of troubleshooting a bug where things are updating past their retirement year; however, I want to make a distinction between a player's final game and when they retired. Take Callum Jamieson as an example—he played his final game in 2024 but didn't retire until 2025. As such, where the side stats box says a later year as the finishing date, I've got the bot to insert a blank row for that year. This feels logical to me. Thoughts? Electricmaster (talk) 08:39, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, nothing wrong with that, but still need to be careful that this isn't applied to all players past their final season. Otherwise, as above, the same edit was made at Nat Fyfe's article, and edits like this one shouldn't add "the ____ season" to a former player, nor the CN tag to a guernsey number if the player's several seasons into their career and the number's the same as the year before. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 14:13, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

There appears to be some inconsistency, then. For example, on the side bar, Matthew Lloyd has "Playing statistics correct to the end of 2009", whereas Nat Fyfe doesn't have this. Completely agree that the advanced stats at the bottom shouldn't have this for active players, but what about the side stats? It seems the consensus is to have "Playing statistics correct to the end of [YEAR]."

I also double-checked the blank-year seasons for players at the end, and it seems like it is no longer seeking citations for such years.

I'll do a quick reset on the 2024 year (players who retired or played their last game in 2024) and run a batch of 30 new live updates. Please let me know if you encounter any issues. I will program it in to ensure the first paragraph is adhered to.

By the way, I almost completely overwrote the program and was panicking, but thankfully I had the presence of mind about two weeks ago to make a full backup, so it was fairly trivial to merge the new code changes with the old core codebase. I'll also take that as a note to make daily online code backups! Electricmaster (talk) 14:43, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

There's definitely inconsistency with the infobox, but it shouldn't be there – there's already an end year under Years, so it's unnecessarily duplicating information to then also say "correct to..." and leave it there permanently. I highly doubt that this has been discussed before or there's necessarily a consensus in place, but common sense should prevail here, and I also doubt that anyone would think (let alone have a reason) to revert if someone were to remove it from an infobox. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 15:32, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

So what's the play? Should we make the bot remove that line if the player has an end date to their career in the info box? Electricmaster (talk) 00:24, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, if possible. Also, what's the go with this edit? 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 03:33, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

I'm rolling it back. My bot duplicated the Career bit twice, as I was trying to move the citation there, as there was a lot of inconsistency. Electricmaster (talk) 03:45, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

I have not only resolved this but have built in a redundancy check to fix any extraneous problems, including if a user puts in wrong data into a table or box that is beyond the scope of just numbers (for instance, if someone accidentally or maliciously puts in a rogue space or something hard to detect). I haven't tested this extensively, but it looks good so far. Electricmaster (talk) 04:00, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

I wasn't just referring to the Career bit, but also moving careerhighlights up, which happened again here; as for statsend, this and this happened again too. If possible, would also be good to make the change that the bot only updates access-date if it makes another change to Statistics, as all of the dummy edits that it makes by updating the date when nothing else has been changed (such as this edit) are a bit much. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 06:20, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

I was also aware of this. I've instructed the bot that such edits are pointless and overzealous, and that only changes that directly affect either of the stats sections in a meaningful way are to be implemented. While I don't think the changes broke anything, the changes were essentially technical null edits (to my eye). The bot is nearly done doing a second pass of the 2025 season, so I'll update you then. Electricmaster (talk) 06:54, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

It's somehow gotten worse (even if these edits also don't technically "break anything", that still doesn't mean that the edits should happen/be enabled) – edits like this one and this one are now happening for players who have represented multiple clubs; how is the bot continually coming up with different ways to mess with the formatting and/or add unnecessary whitespace? Perhaps you should scale back and just do a smaller group of players while there are still bugs to be worked through. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:27, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

I did a complete 2025 run. Please let me know how badly i messed up. Electricmaster (talk) 09:56, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

Now now, no need for that... it's come a very long way, and I'm not trying to come down on you, just trying to get my head around what the bot's doing; just need to iron out any remaining kinks, that's all. Some edits (e.g. this one) are still repeating the same errors, while others (e.g. this one; only issue is that it moved Off-field up when it should have remained below Statistics) are good. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

Okay. I have made a couple changes.

Fantasia was updated as a test, and only 8 others were changed; I think they are all correct:

So essentially these changes were all stripping out the "statistics as of" lines for players who played their final game in 2024, per your suggestion. I agree this is cleaner and less confusing, as "as of" implies that it may not be up to date.

If you're okay with this, I will do a complete 2024 sweep as a test. The main purpose of this is to double-check for statistical mistakes, formatting issues, and validating the robustness of the code. Another thing I did was check for alternate names. For example, AFL Tables has Edward Allan, but the Wiki page has "Ed Allan". If a page isn't found, I've got it to look for common nicknames (Tom/Thomas/Tommy; Sam, Samuel, Sammy; etc.) if other lookups don't work (such as DoB, profession, etc). While this will never be 100% fool-proof, a simple check once a year would help catch any players that may, for whatever reason, not get picked up by the bot. Awaiting your feedback in due course. Cheers. Electricmaster (talk) 12:48, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Hey, if you're not to busy, would you mind taking 5 minutes to skim some of the changes above? I don't think a complete audit is needed, but really I just want to make sure things are seeming to progress as intended. I think it's safe to say that the active players are all now being processed correctly, but I'd like at least one other set of eyes on it before soft-launching the bot. Electricmaster (talk) 03:40, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

Hey; sorry again for the delay – been moving house among a heap of other things, so haven't been all there, to say the least, but didn't mean to keep you waiting. Of the ones that I checked out, close to none of them seem to have any issues – this one inadvertently removed the career highlights parameter, but perhaps that was just a result of the edit caused by the previous bug not being fixed at that article rather than the bot causing a new error. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 14:29, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

Thanks so much for checking. Good to see it's working as intended. I've just confirmed that that Lyons' page (which was fixed) remains unchanged after reprocessing, so it must have just been a remnant of a previous version. Wow! What a relief to get this working. One of the tricky things I've noticed is that there doesn't seem to be an easy way to automatically check if a player isn't found because they simply don't have a page or if it's because of a naming/link quirk that prevents it being found. One option I've thought of is to visit the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bulldogs_players (as an example) and check if the link is red (has no page). If it does, then this can simply be confirmed as the player is confirmed to not yet have a wiki page. What do you think about that? I also ensure the bot checks for year of birth as a safeguard (so it won't overwrite the 19th-century Arthur Jones with the current-day player when he doesn't have a page yet—not sure if I mentioned that already).

Also, good luck on the move. Moving can be one of the most stressful things you can do, so I wish you peace and happiness.

Just completed the 2024 test season:

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No worries – sounds good; and thanks heaps. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 16:33, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

You may have noticed I've been working on the update tonight. I had to make a couple of minor changes, but it looks stable now. I've done 22 new updates, all with the bot. Notice how it says "Updated to the end of Opening Round". If everything is good, I will do a complete update for the entire round. Electricmaster (talk) 12:52, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

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Can you please stop DUPLICATING the Statistics section, as you did once again at Mark Keane (footballer). Update the existing one, don't duplicate it. Matilda Maniac (talk) 02:59, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Madonna bathtub speech requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia, as it exhibits signs of having been generated by an AI model with no clear human review. Text produced by these applications can be unsuitable for an encyclopedia and output must be carefully checked. For further information, see the section G15 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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What were the duplicate citations on the page? I removed your banner because duplicate citations to my knowledge are when one source is cited multiple times in an article as separate references not the use of the same citation at the end of sentences. Aradicus77 (talk) 16:58, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

Oh, that wasn't my intention. The issue was that the same line was duplicated. Specifically, the line "however, they evoke the same themes of self-hate, hopelessness and misogyny." Maybe it's okay to repeat it, but to me it seems weird to have the same phrase repeated in the next section? I think one or the other works well, or at least a way of rephrasing it to avoid repetition. Again, not the biggest deal in the world, but cleaning it would be good, I think. Electricmaster (talk) 00:54, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

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Thanks for your contributions to Charlie Clarke (footballer, born 2004). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing as a live article at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Thanks for your contributions to Arthur Jones (footballer, born 2003). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing as a live article at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 13:45, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Charlie Clarke (footballer, born 2004) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia, as it exhibits signs of having been generated by an AI model with no clear human review. Text produced by these applications can be unsuitable for an encyclopedia and output must be carefully checked. For further information, see the section G15 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think these signs were incorrectly identified and you assert that you did carefully check the content, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Additionally – if you would like to create an article but find it difficult, please ask for help at the Teahouse. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 13:55, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Arthur Jones (footballer, born 2003) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia, as it exhibits signs of having been generated by an AI model with no clear human review. Text produced by these applications can be unsuitable for an encyclopedia and output must be carefully checked. For further information, see the section G15 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think these signs were incorrectly identified and you assert that you did carefully check the content, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Additionally – if you would like to create an article but find it difficult, please ask for help at the Teahouse. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 13:56, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

I noticed the requests to speedy delete Charlie Clarke (footballer, born 2004) and Arthur Jones (footballer, born 2003). Totally aside from the reason given by the nominator (namely that they seemed to be generated by an LLM), I deleted them because they are duplicates of articles that we already have, only with the date of birth of the player changed.

Why are you copying articles about players we already have and changing their date of birth? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:19, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Hello, I apologise for this. I am currently testing some live rollouts. All new articles created should go in draftspace. I will handle these asap. Electricmaster (talk) 20:45, 11 March 2026 (UTC)