User talk:GregorB

Just for future reference, even if there's a verifiability problem, please don't place the {{cn}} template directly on the population figures in city infoboxes. Because the infobox templates are coded to automatically transclude a comma-delimiter into the population figure if it exceeds 1000, it simultaneously breaks the cn template's "articles with unsourced statements from month/year" maintenance category by comma-delimiting the year — your sticking the template on the population figure in Dubrovnik had the undesired effect of generating the inherently invalid redlinked category Category:Articles with unsourced statements from January 2,019 (note the extraneous comma) instead of what it was supposed to be, Category:Articles with unsourced statements from January 2019. So if there's a referencing problem on a population figure in the infobox, you can't place the cn tag directly on the population number itself — you need to put it in the separate population_footnotes field instead, so that the template coding doesn't break the category. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 05:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for you comments. Please see additional info I posted on Jasenovac Talk page. Appreciate any further thoughts or advice you may have Thhhommmasss (talk) 00:22, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi. When can we start thinking about concluding the RfC at the talk page?--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 10:25, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Good. Can you do it?--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 12:37, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

You probably remember me because of this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Administrator_abuse_on_the_Croatian_Wikipedia Notrium (talk) 16:10, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I am not Vujkovica brdo, if that needs any clearing up.

About that "great name in the theory of inequality" quote, the interviewer (Moslehian, I think) himself puts it in quotes in the interview, so I think it can be assumed (though not for certain) that he is quoting Pečarić himself. Although I think it would be better to remove that quote of a quote from the Josip Pečarić article because of the ambiguity.

Since you already touched the subject of Pečarić, do you not think I improved on the article a great deal? The article did not mention the fact he is really notable for - his holocaust denialism - before I got to it. I think probably everybody who was highly involved in the article before me knew about that (why even write the article, otherwise?), but I was the first to put it in the article ;) Notrium (talk) 16:37, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

"unduly focused on negative stuff and are therefore problematic" - I think the issue here is that you (as do I) perceive holocaust denialism as something negative. But please bear in mind these things while rewriting the article: a lot of people find his Holocaust denialism the most positive thing about Pečarić, and would not be interested in him otherwise; and that denialism (and more broadly his ridiculous writing, as opposed to his math) is basically the only notable thing about him!

Regarding the "great name in the theory of inequality" quote, I imagined that Moslehian (who is both interviewer and editor of that little-known journal) is quoting Pečarić on Pečarić being called such-and-such in US and German reference journals, otherwise we could find that reference journal that calls him "a great name in the theory of inequality", or even find a journal that acknowledges the existence of a mathematical "theory of inequality". But, anyways, that quote should probably be removed because it is ambiguous in the source, and also I am not sure that the source is reliable? Notrium (talk) 17:14, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

There is nothing to explain. Croatian is a dialect of Serbian language. Vs⁶₅⁰⁷ 14:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

um, NO - Croatian is the standardized version based on a chosen dialect of the single language - Serbo-Croatian - that encompasses Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian and Montenegrin. 50.111.22.69 (talk) 22:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello again! I was wondering if you could help review some changes I proposed on the MSKCC talk page. You were a big help with doctor BLPs that I thought you might be able to help me update the hospital they work for. The talk page has been pretty inactive lately, and I still have a paid COI, so I'd like to refrain from editing the article directly. They're mostly minor changes and updates, but I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a look!--FacultiesIntact (talk) 03:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Help copy edit for article. Thanks you. Cheung2 (talk) 07:49, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

As you are an experienced Wikipedian as well as more informed on the topic of Croats, would you join the dicussion at White Croats and revert the current revision? I curently don't have time and am really tired of explaining to the editor for more than 2 weeks that the term White Croats (Bijeli Hrvati) is commonly used for the medieval Croatian tribes living north of the Balkans which does not exclusively mean nor is exclusively used for some specific Croatian tribes located in West Europe. The majority of RS are ignored, including article in Croatian Encyclopedia (), the Ukrainian and Russian encyclopedias & sources are partly ignored (see 'note' in previous new revision; sources in Rusyns#Origins as well) among many others. The editor simply refuses to get the point how are articles titled (common usage, not correctness), and is pushing to change its title, scope (i.e. title kept, but would only be about the 'West Croats' in Bohemia and near Western European countries ignoring there's scholarly dispute on the location provided in DAI to begin with and scholars often do not differentiate them, while created a new article 'Carpathian Croats' which is not common, and would completely mess up with information and bring confusion), structure and else.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I've nominated Lučko Airport for DYK (here), but can't think of a good hook. All I've got so far is that it's connected to ATJ Lučko which is connected to Cro Cop, and I'd probably want to nom ATJ Lučko separately since I'm not sure if I've covered all bases in that article. Can you help? Daß Wölf 05:51, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added that as ALT1. Daß Wölf 01:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for writing the op-ed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-08-30/Opinion . May I suggest one change? You used the phrase "Wiki values", but a wiki is not the same as Wikipedia, and I think it's important not to encourage that confusion. So I think it would be much better if you changed the phrase to "Wikipedia's values" or similar. (The phrase "wiki values" is used later in the op-ed; I think that using lower case for "wiki" makes the possible confusion even worse.)

Thanks in advance for your considering this. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:46, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Pozdrav, Gregore! Zanimljiv članak. Možeš li samo promijeniti wikipoveznicu iz Glina u Glina, Croatia? --Hmxhmx 07:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Good job on the op-ed, Gregor! I nearly forgot about the Jimbo's talk page discussion. Thanks for finding time to write it all up for a bigger and better audience. Daß Wölf 07:10, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote of confidence, much appreciated. I was worried my comment would come off as too apologetic and end up offending both sides. I think part of the reason for small group mentality is that our country itself is ruled by a small group mentality (as are most countries our size). See for example Inoslav Bešker's user talk. Can you imagine any public figure getting that kind of deference on enwiki? I do think though that on the whole this is a leadership problem, not a people problem. If we get admin conduct in line I'm optimistic we can gradually bring hrwiki up to speed on the WP:5P. If no one else, I'm sure we have enough viable editors on sh, en, fr, de... I'll leave a comment on the Meta page when I find more time. Daß Wölf 10:54, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

		The Signpost Barnstar
		For your Opinion piece in the August 2019 edition. Thanks for sharing your analysis of the important issue. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm in for sure :) Hope it's going to get through this time. Pozz --Ivan VA (talk) 20:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi,

Will you please help with something?

There is a dispute between me and another editor (Peacemaker67) about how to depict one of the combatants in infobox during Operation Kopaonik. They insisted to remove Yugoslavia and put Chetniks twice in one day (diff) and (diff) without a single argument presented, except that it is "ridiculous" when I explained that this combatant were forces were under command of the Minister of the Army, Navy and Air Force of the Yugoslav government-in-exile (diff).

Can you help with your opinion if it is really "ridiculous" to assert that during Operation Kopaonik forces:

1. of Yugoslav Army in Homeland,
2. under command of Yugoslav minister
3. in Yugoslav government in exile
4. fighting on the territory Axis occupied Yugoslavia?

were forces of Yugoslav Kingdom?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:32, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

The explanation is that it is a strongly pro-Chetnik POV and not neutral. You cannot argue on one hand that the Chetniks were heterogenous and therefore DM did not personally collaborate or have control over his troops that did collaborate and on the other hand claim that they were all under central command and control via DM and the government-in-exile. Are you going to claim that the Chetniks that fought on the side of the Axis during Case White were also representing the Kingdom of Yugoslavia? That would be an interesting argument. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:15, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

GregorB, before answering if my assertion was really ridiculous, please have in mind that my question was about one of the combatants in infobox during Operation Kopaonik which happened in period until July 1944.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:48, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Also please have in mind:

• that commander (Dragutin Keserović) of the unit which in this battle fought against Axis forces was awarded by the King of Yugoslavia (based on the proposal of the Yugoslav govt in exile against recommendation of Yugoslav minister) with an award given only in Kingdom of Yugoslavia at that time - the Order of Karađorđe's Star.
• The motto of the unit commanded by Keserović was dedicated to Yugoslav king.
• In period which more or less corresponds to period of this operation, on 1 December 1942, Mihalovic (addressed as the War Minister and the Chief of Staff of the Supreme Command of King Peter II) received a greeting from the Chief of the British Imperial General Staff who expressed his compliments for the wonderful undertaking of the Yugoslav Army.(Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the ... Congress. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1956. p. 4989. The Chief of the British Imperial General Staff, pursuant to Yugoslavia's unity Day, December 1, 1942, sent the following greeting to the War Minister and the Chief of Staff of the Supreme Command of King Peter II to Army Gen Dragoljub M Mihailovich: In the name of the British Imperial General Staff I cannot let the twenty-fourth anniversary of the unification of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes into one Kingdom pass without expressing my felicitations for the wonderful undertaking of the Yugoslav Army. I am not thinking only of the forces which have joined the ranks of our army in the Near East in the triumphant hour but also of your undefeatable Chetniks under your command who are fighting night and day under the most difficult war conditions.)--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
• Also please have in mind that all Chetniks took an oath of allegiance to the Peter II the King of Yugoslavia.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)You do realise Antid that you are going to need a RfC for this? While I'm interested in GregorB's opinion, you don't provide him with the full information, only providing one side of the issue. He's hardly going to be able to draw a reasonable conclusion based on your POV. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

• Also please have in mind that the advisory body of the Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland (commonly known as the Chetniks) was Central National Committee of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:05, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Your message to me was deleted by another contributor. Please contact me on inoslav@besker.com. --Inoslav Bešker (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi,

I created an article about Kulen Vakuf massacre. What do you think about it?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Category:Crvena jabuka songs, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Richhoncho (talk) 22:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

| Operation Alfa seems like an interesting article. I think it is worthy of becoming a Featured Article. What say you? I'm interested in nominating the article for DoYouKnow? as well. When it comes to WWII, in terms of "Today's Featured Article" or DidYouKnow articles, they are about massacres targeted at Serbian civilians. While the editor who nominated and push forth those articles is fine to do so, they seem to be motivated for one side of it for the public. Peacemaker67 seems to be supportive of that editor as well. Seems a little one sided...... But no representation of massacres carried out by Chetnik forces against Croats. In fact whole slew of major massacres carried out by Chetnik and Nazi German forces, have no articles for them at al. To which the wiki public is likely unaware. Such as Kninsko Polje massacre, Kamešnica-Mosor valley massacre, Drakulić massacre and Dotršćina executions. How does one go about creating them? Do you know any other Croatian editors that would be interested? Thank you OyMosby (talk) 19:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi.

Will you please help me. I am not fluent in English language so I might be wrong with understanding one text.

In the article June 1941 uprising in eastern Herzegovina I found the following text:

• Professor Marko Attila Hoare states that the full-scale uprising resulted from the Ustaše retaliation against attempts of the Serbs of eastern Herzegovina to defend themselves, combined with the launching of the German invasion on 22 June

Am I right when I conclude that this statement presents the following order of events:

1. Serb attempt to defend themselves
2. so Ustaše had to counter-attack them
3. Serbs had to start full-scale uprising

Does this sentence sound like “Đuro will forgive you for beating you up” twisted victim blaming logic or I am wrong?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)The article needs to be read in full to get the context, nothing will be achieved by cherry-picking bits you don't like out of the overall narrative. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:25, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Antidiskriminator, Peacemaker67 - I'll leave some comments in the article's talk page. GregorB (talk) 12:28, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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I think this Jimbo Wales quote that was reposted on his talkpage recently very well explains my attitude (and probably that of many more one-time editors) to hr.WP:

The idea [behind Nupedia] was to have thousands of volunteers writing articles for an online encyclopedia in all languages. Initially we found ourselves organizing the work in a very top-down, structured, academic, old-fashioned way. It was no fun for the volunteer writers because we had a lot of academic peer review committees who would criticize articles and give feedback. It was like handing in an essay at grad school, and basically intimidating to participate in.

I guess either the hr.WP admins don't want to see things from this POV or address this problem because of too much battleground mentality, or they just ignore it because bureaucracy is good for gatekeeping. Daß Wölf 01:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes and there's no self-correcting mechanism since they obviously all know each other. You can't reason with a crowd, even before they start calling you names. It's so easy to pretend the newcomer is always the one causing the problem and that this is all about WWII politics and nothing else. Daß Wölf 22:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

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How is it possible that you, an experienced editor and anti-fascist, did not react at the lastest WHITEWASHING and removal of RS on Ante Starčević? I'm puzzled. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 20:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

1) Than by all means, add additional info. about his work and life which can come prior to the sentence in question. 2) Sources given are solid. 3) It is notable for his bio. and it is per Manual of Style/Lead section. The whole explanation looks like a logical mistake. Anyway. I plan to watch the article carefully. cheers Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 21:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

For the article Vladimir Beara, an editor Sadko, labels Croatian News articles as “Ustashe style articles” while edit waring with another editor. This same individual made a questionable edits on other pages before. Could you look into this? This person also made edits to the Chetniks page that seemed almost POV pushing. I see they question your anti-Fascist stance. I’m rolling my eyes. I’m really tired of dealing with nationalistic pro-Serbia editors.... Thanks OyMosby (talk) 23:31, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree with you that a news article is not really strong enough of a source for that other person’s edit. My issue was the reasoning and insult as well as the editors past seemingly biased edits. Thank you. OyMosby (talk) 21:30, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I see that you are also engaged on the talk page about Beara. What is with this Sadko guy? Atacking me and accusing me of things, I cannot even make sense of. He thinks I am trying to insult Serbs or something? He is literally deny the existance of religious groups based on nationalist ethnic viewpoints. 74.101.190.2 (talk) 02:54, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

When You finish dealing with Q, K and Z, would you occasionally come to sr.wiki, to leave a comment on accurassy and neutrality of articles? -- Bojan  Talk  05:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

I haven't read hr.wiki for a while, I don't know for example. Calling someone war criminal should not be in an article. I wish to encourage crosswiki collaboration. I won't deny that in some articles sr.wiki might be biased. -- Bojan  Talk  22:10, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

No, no, this was invitation to comment and edit an article on sr.wiki if you find it you think it might be biased. -- Bojan  Talk  22:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Category:People who compete in parasports, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing Gasinci. I created more, please check my user page for more Croatia military topics. HamOnt (talk) 21:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

I just created the article on Alija Šuljak, one of main perpetrators of Genocide of Serbs in Eastern Herzegovina during the World War II. Then I realized that there is an article about the person with the same name on hr.wiki and linked those two articles. Now I see that article on hr wiki does not mention Serbs at all (except Serbo-Montenegrin attack on Dubrovnik in 1991) and that this person was welcomed in Croatia without being arrested at that time. Did I make mistake when I linked those two articles if they refer to such different personalities?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:57, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I fully agree with you regarding the sources and difficult situation. All the best.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:49, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Could you chime in please? It seems the page is being pov driven. For example his name is being deemed as “Serbo-Croatian”? It seems another attempt to cleverly dilute his background for insidious purposes. Thanks OyMosby (talk) 15:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

In response to your response on my talk page: Up until mid 2019, his name and pronunciation was prefixed with “Croatian” and then an editor unexplained, changed it to “Serbo-Croatian”. My revert just gets reverted though. Another thing is that Britannica deems his father as “Croat though some sources state Serb”. I thought it was a good compromise but still it got reverted as an alleged strong claim with no backing. The irony is that I am being accused with POV pushing. Yet the reverter can’t explain their reasons. OyMosby (talk) 16:25, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I don’t recall sources stating that Boscovich spoke Serbo-Croatian or that his name is such. Nor that the country he lived in at the time spoke that titled language either. It seems to me as a pov push to imply to the reader he is name is generaly Serbo-Croatian. 74.101.190.2 (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Canvassing Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 22:25, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I asked the user to chime in, not use them to creat an army of editors to drive my will. Better question, is this really qualified as “canvassing”? I canvas GregorB to answer as well. OyMosby (talk) 01:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

It does. Ask an admin, go for it champ. We have already seen such scenarios. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 21:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

May I respectfully ask you (I'm not naming anyone in particular) not to use my talk page for this sort of exchange? If there is a concrete issue on which you'd like to hear my input, please start the discussion in the article's talk page, ping me, and I'll leave my comment there. GregorB (talk) 21:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

Will you please take a look at this Albanization https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bukumiri&type=revision&diff=941784198&oldid=925937640 and removal of cited content. And not only of this article. Multiple articles on different tribes were subjected to similar treatment. What do you think about it?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, will you please help with the issue on Albanized tribes? The contested move was presented as technical noncontested and performed contrary to wikipedia rules. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:49, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

This is campaigning. A user as well acquainted with arbitration as yourself should know better.--Calthinus (talk) 16:06, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Asking an admin to help with following wikipedia rules in case of contested move is actually constructive.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:23, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi GregorB. Thanks for contributing positively to the discussion at Talk:Josip Pečarić. A number of sock-puppets of Vujkovica brdo have taken part in that discussion. It's my feeling that some refactoring of the talk page to minimize impact of socks (including at least Vujkovica brdo, Taribuk, and Mujo France) is called for. I'm writing you because you and me are the main people that have replied to messages from these blocked socks. Short comments can be struck, longer comments can be hidden per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. I'll make a pass at doing what I think is right. Please feel free to tweak if you'd prefer something else. I'll watch this page in case you want to reply to this message. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)