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Thanks for your addition to Gold mining in the United States. I have only two quibbles. First, by leaving out the controversy part, the reader may miss the point of which criticism is being refuted here. It is a common criticism, and should be mentioned. Second, I have never before heard of these severance and extraction taxes referred to as "royalties." The description of these taxes as "royalties" appears to be an invention of your source, which introduces them as "functional royalties," and then refers to them as royalties. Strictly speaking, these are not royalties as the word is commonly used, because they are not paid to the mineral owner (ignoring the subject of overriding royalties). I believe that in accordance with WP:COMMONNAME they should be referred to as severance or extraction taxes. I would suggest that the section start like so:

Federal lands and royalties

Many western US gold mines are located on federal public land, on which the mining companies pay no royalties to the US government. Gold mines operate under the General Mining Act of 1872, which permits mining of gold and certain other minerals on public land without payment of royalties.^[1]

Mining proponents point out that gold mining is subject to various state extraction and severance taxes, which serve as "functional royalties," in that they allocate to the state governments a share of the gold and other minerals mined. ......

What do you think? Regards. Plazak (talk) 03:44, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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We need to have a discussion - the three aspects of the use of the name boogardie and mount magnet are not as simple as separting the orbicular to the granit article, as the mount magnet orbicular has a number links to perth things, to mount magnet, and also the ghost town is separate from the pastoral lease, so I do agree with a separate pastroal lease aricle, but i do think either a disambig, or a good set of redirects to separate adrticles.

so are you willing to discuss this further? JarrahTree 03:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

As it is the edited article looks very wrong - I do think a general disambig article as I had it would be better than excluding the info - then, leading to the separate articles. But it would be very good if we could agree to fix it, as it is there is inadequate flagging of the 3 (if not 4 uses), also the slippage - some literature and sites will use the nearest centre like mount magnet as a reference point JarrahTree 04:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

wheesh, a whole set of railway edits loaded in almost 3 a minute , not sure what was going on there, some very odd tyops amongst the edits, spelling and weirdnesses, but very correct cites/refs, very odd. cheers JarrahTree 03:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

The editor is using a template to bring all railway station info into one format that probably coincides with Transperth's view of itself, but unfortunately also brings in errors. A lot of stuff has been removed, so this hardly fits as a copy-edit.John beta (talk) 04:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, the phrase 'serves... a place' as text, and the use of 'copyedit' in summary was the tell tale signature of a notorious sock :( JarrahTree 07:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

For your patience on the railway station articles JarrahTree 08:04, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

For your getting a ref for the ubiquitous county arts, I found the trove ref for the same book, what a mouthfull!! JarrahTree 13:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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for your plodding away at west oz articles, it is appreciated! JarrahTree 13:25, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

but interesting the esperance to laverton is now standard guage as well.... JarrahTree 09:59, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

It's Leonora to Esperance - the Laverton spur was taken up. The standard gauge line was put in to transport copper and nickel concentrates from Teutonic Bore, Leinster (both from Leonora) and Windara (from Malcolm). It now mainly services Murrin Murrin (from Malcolm siding).John beta (talk) 11:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. I see the item is covered in the Port Gregory article, so I will correct the I-165 article as well NealeFamily (talk) 04:01, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

I have tidied up the Shelling of Port Gregory as part of the excercise. NealeFamily (talk) 22:52, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Please do not insult my intelligence with a "speculation" wiki policy link that is irrelevant to my edit. Even the date of Jesus's birth is speculation, so would you like to go ahead and remove it? 49.181.221.193 (talk) 22:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

When you want to unjustifiably remove cited content on wiki it helps not to try the tactic of repeating a lie until it becomes reality. I have mentioned twice now in the edit summary section that the BBC source ACTUALLY says "one of the figures appears to have been made before 1664, perhaps as early as the 1500s." You appear to repeatedly deliberately cut-off my quote at 1664 — conveniently ignoring the second part that exposes your lie. Such shiftiness is unacceptable on wiki, and if you repeat it i will report your actions to have you blocked. 49.195.33.98 (talk) 22:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hello. I see you deleted my citation of the date that Megan Clark became an AC. There are numerous sources saying it was in 2011, and I provided a citation in the text when I made that improvement to the article. I see you deleted that with the mere mention of "clean up." The source you pointed to has no citations. I am presuming good faith on your part and would ask you to provide a verifiable WP:cite as I had done. Per WP standards, sourced materials should not be just deleted without comment or explanation. Thanks much and best regards. GetSomeUtah (talk) 10:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi John beta.

Just curious re this reversion you did. Why only this one if there is COI. Looking at the relevant contributions such is all over the place. Just wondering how you know of the COI too as described in your edit summary. Cheers. Aoziwe (talk) 11:15, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

most require much better sourcing - when started trove was not half as good, but some are still very elusive, thanks for the tag, I realise some parts might need to be removed if no sources/cites are found in time - cheers - and keep up the good work!! JarrahTree 09:04, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I've noticed you reverted my edit for the |citeseerx= parameter on Green Head, Western Australia. CiteSeerX seems to be down indeed, but I think it should be back up soon. In general, links to CiteSeerX tend to be more durable than links to PDF files in the wild as it is an archiving service. So your edit is obviously fine, but please don't do it for every source that uses |citeseerx= (actually, that would be a lot of work…). − Pintoch (talk) 11:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

in your edit of (This I did because mutliple refs) your purpose is against the idea of being able to do so, re: WP:BUNDLING
As there are no links of a NSW origin, what is the point of limiting future refs by removing pertiant data ?
I notice the actual entry has a glaring marked in red ref notation, did you not want to fix that ? Dave Rave (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

That is a good catch at nenes' article - well done? did/do you know any of the family? JarrahTree 00:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

As you no longer seem to reply to my messages, for whatever reason, fair enough - but that does not get in the way of saying - well done for all the hard work you are doing on western australian articles - some great work, and all the best for christmas and new year - cheers JarrahTree 01:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't notice your message - I don't patrol my talk page. I've no connection with the Gares - just a family connection with the Geraldton area and an interest in anything to do with it. Thanks for your comment on WA articles - there's so much misinformation about - the problem is not correcting it but referencing the work - as you would know. Have a relaxed Christmas - it's snow and wildfires for me. John beta (talk) 01:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

no apology - some people try very studiously to keep away from talk pages and I can understand why !!! nah I knew all the gares.... but what is very interesting is the new book about Randolph Stow - there is a new bio on the market - very very interesting - in the Geraldton background specially... what impressed me in my teens was the chapman valley - had a family friend there... Your work on wa articles are imperative and vital - so few eds left actually going in and checking anymore... snow? ahh there is a thought - enjoy! JarrahTree 09:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

@John beta: If the mine is called Hope Downs 4, the article should me renamed as well. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree - I'm working through the other Pilbara mines to scope the problem - locations, naming and background.John beta (talk) 01:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

OK. I'll leave it to you then. Mitch Ames (talk) 01:32, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for your recent clean-ups in Apollo Sea and Castillo de Bellver oil spill!

I noticed you changed the "tonnes-to-lb" auto-conversions to "tonnes-to-cubic meters". I agree the volume measurement of oil is more useful to most reader than a mass measurement; however, this conversion is problematic, because it can't be done automatically, because density of oil products varies. For the light crude oil spilled by Castillo de Bellver, for example, you converted 145,000 tonnes to 176,000 cubic meters (1.214 cu m per tonne, corresponding to a density of 0.806). However, List of oil spills states a typical range of densities of 0.816 to 0.893 for light crude and recommends using a median value of 0.858. If we use the recommended value, we would convert 145,000 tonnes to 170,000 cubic meters (1.165 cu m per tonne).

Of course, the conversion for Apollo Sea should be different, because it spilled heavy crude oil, which has a larger range of possible densities.

Would you please check and correct all of your tonnes-to-cubic meters conversions and qualify them (perhaps in a comment embedded into the wiki source) with the density you used in your calculation? Johnson487682 (talk) 16:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Castillo de Bellver was carrying Murban (SG of 0.82) and Upper Zakum (SG of 0.86) light crudes - sourced from the supplied reference^[1] and from List of crude oil products. No indication of the exact proportions so I've used the lowest SG (Murban) of 0.82 in the conversion calcs. Variations are due to rounding.

As to volumes, anything apart from barrels and cubic metres is meaningless. Pounds of crude??? John beta (talk) 13:24, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I have added the basis of the calculation and references to Castillo de Bellver oil spill. Would you please give me similar information for the calculation in Apollo Sea?

On the subject of the usefulness of weights for measuring oil, I respectfully disagree. Cited references often provide oil quantities in units of tonnes (or short tons or long tons) when carried in a ship, because ship design capacities are always reported by weight--not volume. In these cases, a weight of oil is the only definitive quantity; the volume can only be approximated, and only if the specific gravity is known with some accuracy. Johnson487682 (talk) 02:36, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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we have had our usual suspect, and a new ed there - and its being re-arranged - please make a clearer edit summary (as if I should say anything) as it is hard to know what you are doing!! JarrahTree 01:15, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Australia was almost a terra nullius. The Dutch East India Company (VOC) undisputedly explored and charted almost three-quarters of its coastline, except the east coast. The VOC's exploratory history is always an indispensable part of Australian history. Zingvin 09:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi User:John beta, can you help me with a fix to Maiorana please? I know what's wrong, but am not best at fixing it, basically some surnames are in quote marks ("") and other are in italics. User:Mild Bill Hiccup sorted this out on France (name) article (his fix , compared to my previous version ), but won't help me here. Also I don't know where links are appropriate, maybe they are being overused on Maiorana? Please let me know what you think, cheers.--Theo Mandela (talk) 02:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi I have invited Zingvin to the talk page of European Exploration of Australia.Nickm57 (talk) 09:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

See Talk:Guy Fawkes Night#Enforcement of WP:CITEVAR.

The cite news template separates elements of the citation with periods, while the citation template separates the elements with commas. The citation template automatically establishes an anchor for short citations, while the cite news template does not. (However the behavior of either template can be changed with extra parameters.) Jc3s5h (talk) 11:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

hi John beta, thanks for your reverts and extra info relating to the ACAE, i did some work on it, when i came across it on the wikiproject education cleanup list as an orphan, (a trout is very welcome). Now that its closed, do you think it would it be ok to list it as a Defunct private schools at List of schools in Perth, Western Australia?, thanks.

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Hi, I saw your comments at User_talk:Xezbeth#Redirect_for_Stones and I can definitely see where you're coming from. It looks a lot like a discussion I've been involved in recently: Talk:Selves_(disambiguation) What do you think of that one? Dr. Vogel (talk) 02:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it's appropriate to state the coordinates of a town to 0.1 seconds (about 3m) or 0.00001 degrees (about 1m) - see WP:OPCOORD. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that 4 decimals places of a degree is the max precision needed for smaller towns such as Horrocks or Beria. I've been using main intersections, or post office or pub locations. John beta (talk) 09:10, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The articles are about towns, not specific points within the town, so the coord precision should match the size of the town - even for a small town 100m (0.001°) would be sufficient. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:26, 25 April 2018 ( UTC)

For some towns 100m would put the coord outside the townsite. It is appropriate that the coord be the centre (geographical or political) of a town. A major problem with many WA towns is that the current coords used are outside the townsite, in some cases quite a way away eg Horrocks, Tampa, Mt Morgans. John beta (talk) 09:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

For some towns 100m would put the coord outside the townsite.

In general, if the town is more than 100m wide, there ought to be a coord (precision ±100m) that falls within the townsite.

It is appropriate that the coord be the centre (geographical or political) of a town.

It only need to be at the centre ± the appropriate (and implied by the number of digits) precision.

The use of {{coord}} parameter type, dim or scale might help. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:31, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

It’s a mapframe, so it can be made larger and it can zoom in more. If you click on it, it also becomes a slippy map. I made it that size so it displays nicely on a mobile device.

Would making it larger (say 1280 wise) work for you? Betterkeks (talk) 11:40, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

You reverted my inclusion of John Chester in the notable people list with the comment "Needs a WP article or solid reference". My edit did contain a link to the relevant WP article which includes a number of solid references. If this was an oversight then I will restore my edit.Adondai (talk) 07:07, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

for your tireless improvement of western australian articles - it is appreicated JarrahTree 14:04, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi John Beta

I added a lot of information to the Perth Observatory page last night only to have to deleted over night by yourself. This is the first time I have submitted an edit so my apologies if I didn't follow the correct procedures, however, please could you reinstate the information? The reason was cited as unsourced but I did cite my source (perhaps not correctly) as physicsmuseum.uq.edu.au/system/storage/serve/33278/obs_history.pdf or "The History of Perth Observatory" by Wayne Moredoundt, Historian, from Heritage Council documentation for Perth Observatory heritage listing. I am the Operations Manager of the Perth Observatory in Bickley and need to update our listing. Please can you get in touch so we can have a chat and my edits don't get deleted again.

Thank you

I have made some comments and suggestions on your talk page User talk:FrancescaPOVG, regards John beta (talk) 04:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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for your tireless in depth improvement of western australian articles - it is really appreciated when articles have been improved by your updating and editing - thanls JarrahTree 04:14, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

If this subject's notability is related to her ethnicity, per WP:Ethnicity it is fine to include it in the lead, but it should be included in a way that defines that this is her ethnicity, not her nationality. By saying "Indian-Australian" or "Australian-Indian", this confuses whether we are discussing her nationality or ethnicity in saying "Indian". It would be more appropriate to say "Australian of Indian ethnicity" or "Australian of Indian descent".

Why would you delete a citation for information that is a direct quote? That's not helpful. It's actually rather frustrating. LadyJay43 (talk) 04:28, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your desire to contribute to this article; however, I'm concerned about some of your changes. Would you please explain your rationale for the following changes?

1. In the 2019-07-27 oil spill on Guarello Island, you converted 40,000 L to 35.4 T. However, at the given conversion factor of 1165 L/T, this should be 34.3. More importantly, the original number has only one significant digit, so I believe it would be best to list this as 30 T. Do you disagree?
2. In the 2018-11-16 oil spill in St John's, you changed 210 T to 219 T. It corresponds to 250,000 L, which converts to 214.59 T (at 1165 L/T), but given the original number has only two significant digits, I believe 210 T was the correct number. Do you disagree?
3. You added some data to the "Owner" column, but the consensus of the discussion on the talk page was this column is not desired, so we should be removing the existing data from this column -- not adding more data. I believe you should remove the data you added. Do you disagree?

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As always, your updates and improvements for the subject and range of items are always appreciated. JarrahTree 04:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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for cleaning up after the alternative reality blocked vandal JarrahTree 00:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

and adding more substance to the rather thing western suburbs articles - appreciated JarrahTree 09:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hy. I translated the en-wiki page of Tim Winton to Dutch and was happy to see that good picture of him appear. Are you sure it's copyrighted because it's still on commons ? I've deleted it from the nl-wikipage but would like to put it back if it's not copyrighted.Skaldis (talk) 18:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The image was sourced from the Penguin Books website where it is noted as copyright to Denise Winton. It's not the same as the image on Commons regards John beta (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

The picture on commons is nominated for deletion now too. Too bad cause it's a good picture. Thanks for the answer.Skaldis (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, in an edit to Orovada, Nevada, you removed the URL in a citation to Carlson's Nevada Place Names, I was curious about why? In your edit summary, you stated "The url does not link to the cited content. see WP:GBOOKS". I took a look at WP:GBOOKS and did not see what section was relevant. However, the URL does go to the a search results page that shows Orovada as one of the results. Unfortunately, the GBooks version of this book does not include page numbers. After a bit of messing around, I found that https://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0874174031&pg=PA418 seems to work. Would it be OK with you if I used that URL? Cxbrx (talk) 18:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

I started placing the appropriate copyvio templates on this article per your revert, then decided to double-check the source being purportedly copied. (Which I should have done first -- stupid me.) I couldn't find a matching text at the link to the one you edited away. Can you give a more precise link?

Whether the edit you removed was actually an improvement is a different question. (I think not so I've left it removed.) --Kent G. Budge (talk) 16:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

...a fat-fingered move I presume? --Ashleyyoursmile! 16:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

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  No worries, happens all the time. Ashleyyoursmile! 17:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

there is documentation that says keep it under 40 characters where at all possible....

there is a complex discussion about the interplay between wikidata and chort descrip .... but not now

there are probably other versions of the story, but I stay hovering between the issues on andoff wiki... JarrahTree 10:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks again for your correction to my edit on Madawaska Mine. I see you take an interest in uranium mines. Yesterday I started this draft article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bicroft_Mine I mention this for your interest and also in case you had any desire to improve it. CT55555 (talk) 12:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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