User talk:M.Billoo2000

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To be honest, it's not really my sort of article. It does highlight that each team seems to be creating new anthems for each season - is that the case do you think? I plan on overhauling the team pages again once the league is finished for the year and it would be useful to know if this is the case. I'd also like people to think about moving the detail of the 2017 season to season articles - as Islamabad United in 2016 for example. That will let us take some of the masses of detail out of the individual season.

As well as that, the draft articles could use some work. I've mentioned this on the 2017 draft talk page - could you tell me your thoughts there about that idea?

With regard to the anthems article, I think it might be better to name it List of anthems of the Pakistan Super League. I *think* that would be a slightly better English language name - perhaps the article can be moved to that name? I think it has some mileage and it's a useful holding page for this sort of information if they really are going to release new songs each year.

I'd be keen to know your thoughts in general. Blue Square Thing (talk) 18:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@Blue Square Thing: Hi! Thanks for your kind response. Hmm... I too agree, page name should be like that; "of" instead of "about". Earlier, we've discussed that anthems' info should be on individual team / league articles instead of main (like in '2017 Pakistan Super League' instead of main 'Pakistan Super League', because they might be creating several new anthems each year and page will go long only by mentioning song names. But then I think that all the anthems should be listed together too. Should I move?

As I am saying on most of my edit summaries that (for example) 'Karachi Kings in 2017' article coming soon, similar as 'Karachi Kings in 2016', you are right for moving the info in new page. Shall we (other good users too) start working?

I saw your message on PSL draft 2017, you asked about order of picking players. You also said that it should be arranged in PSL draft 2016 page. I agree that too, but it is hard for me to arrange. I am unable to find any news reference for that, but soon will try as I can. PSL has officially shared 2017 video, but not of 2016. Well, you have put forward a good point, thanks again! M. Billoo 21:08, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@Blue Square Thing and Mar4d: Another point I want to raise is teams' colour scheme given in Wiki. Template:Cr-PSL should be updated, showing accurate colour schemes of every team in every year. Like for Lahore Qalandars in 2016 colour was "black base with red stripes", but for 'Lahore Qalandars in 2017', it is "green base with dark bluish stripes" (this is what I understand, it might be any other dark colour). Template should be used as {{Cr-PSL|lhr2016}} for old and {{Cr-PSL|lhr}} for latest. Next year, this one 'might' become {{Cr-PSL|lhr2017}} and new one {{Cr-PSL|lhr}}. This might take a long time to work, but it might help too. Hope I have cleared, sorry for my weak English. M. Billoo 18:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I get what you're saying. Though I'm not entirely sure how to do it. Obviously the template will require the addition of a parameter that allows it to display the themes used in a season. As far as I know, Lahore were the only team that changed their kit. It can be done but you may need to ask a template expert to make the necessary changes. Mar4d (talk) 18:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, some of those colours are done poorly and may need to be refined. In the Karachi and Peshawar colours for example, the lines don't look straight. And Quetta's strip doesn't look gold. Mar4d (talk) 18:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mar4d: You're right, only LQ's color was changed. I earlier had left a message on Template Talk:Cr-PSL but didn't get reply, instead I saw updated version in most of the pages. Also, team IU color should be interchanged. Thanks! M. Billoo 19:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

So now we need two people. A template expert and a graphics expert :p Mar4d (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mar4d, Anjana Larka, and Wiki id2: I saw these 2 users' contributions on Template:Cr-PSL, maybe they can help. Also, I edited color on KK and LQ's fan userboxes, if they are correct then I would liketo say that all 5 should be similar. M. Billoo 19:14, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm lousy with graphics templates (OK, lousy means bad). I don't particularly use them (or like them if I'm honest) so I might take a look if you guys can't get it sorted.

I think I have sources for the 2016 draft probably - CricInfo has some decent articles that will let us patch things together a little better anyway. In terms of the yearly articles, why don't you start them and I'll weight in at some point and try and rationalise them and deal with any written English stuff. The pages we developed for Kent County Cricket Club in 2016 might also be worth a look in terms of some of the ways in which the game logs themselves have been done. I'm not a fan of the tables on the PSL ones from last year. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Also I meant to say, it is a form of advertising, which is also not allowed, per WP:NOTADVERTISING. It is using WP as a host to advertise a product. scope_creep (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Verified YouTube channels for established reliable sources are typically OK. If CNN has a YouTube presence (for example), that would be OK. In contrast, since the community doesn't consider Koimoi a reputable source, (for example) linking to a verified Koimoi YouTube video would typically not be ideal if the content was controversial. The two things we're concerned about are linking to potential copyright violations and linking to poor references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for asking and for being conscientious about promotion. You don't need to add references for the track listing, as the album itself is assumed to have a printed track listing. For instance, in film articles we don't need to add references for the plot or the cast list, because we assume the primary source (the film) can be used to find the cast credits and to glean general information about the plot. So in this case, I'd recommend omitting the links. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:56, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Excellent, you differentiated your vision, and have choosen Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, which it truly is, instead of the corrupt view of WP as a platform to push commercial interests. scope_creep (talk) 13:11, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I didn't mean to offend you, so please disregard. IMO, social media sites shouldn't be used at all as citations. Happy Eid! — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

• Lahore cinema industry (Lollywood)
• Karachi cinema industry (Kariwood)
• Pashto cinema (revival in progress with some new films)
• Sindhi cinema (collapsed, revival being planned)
• Balochi cinema (collapsed, hasn't revived yet)

There's a few problems I'd like to highlight:

• First is the lack of differentiating between "Lollywood" and Pakistani cinema. Lollywood exclusively means Lahore cinema industry so I don't understand why some Urdu films being produced in Karachi are being called "Lollywood" films. This would be like an English film being produced in the UK and it being called "Hollywood". I think we should make an effort clearly highlight the difference.

• Pashto cinema has actually been making quite a few number of films now but they are not highlighted in the "List of Pakistani films for (insert year here)". Or maybe I missed it.

Let me know what you think. --PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 01:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

@PAKHIGHWAY: My two cents on your first question. I think it's a misconception that "Lollywood" only applies to Lahore cinema. It of course has its roots in Lahore, but it is generally identified as the national/mainstream cinema of Pakistan. An equivalent would be Bollywood which, although centred in Mumbai, is considered the mainstream cinema of India. There was of course a period in the 1980s when Lollywood resorted to Punjabi films and hence it picked up a more regional identity. But that has changed as Urdu films are back. The Kariwood article seems to be more about the local filming scene in Karachi. It's like having an article on the Islamabad filming scene which created movies like Slackistan. By and large, the national industry for Urdu and Punjabi films is still Lollywood, and most reliable sources attest to that, in addition to Pakistani film awards, industry people and the self-identification used during marketing of films. Mar4d (talk) 15:07, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mar4d and PAKHIGHWAY: As far as I know, current films after Khuda Kay Liye are not under Lollywood title, they are just Pakistani films. So our national industry is Pakistani film industry. Indian people like to use and say the word Bollywood, which I have noticed after editing some Indian film articles, but then I had a conversation here. We can take a look at interviews of Ali Zafar, Fawad Khan and similar who have worked in both the cinemas for some further information that what title is used where. Similarly, India has not only Bollywood, they have other language ---woods too. M. Billoo 15:57, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mar4d and M.Billoo2000: I understand where you're coming from, however all of the newer films being produced (Urdu productions) that are making a huge statement are mainly in Karachi now. Lahore hasn't really produced a meaningful Urdu film in ages now. In fact the last meaningful Urdu films to come out of Lahore were Khuda Kay Liye and Bol, both of which were produced by Shoman Productions (Shoaib Mansoor's company, based in Lahore). If we look at the List of highest-grossing Pakistani films, almost all of them are Karachi based productions. Jawani Phir Nahi Ani by Six Sigma Plus (Karachi), Bin Roye by MD Films (Karachi), Waar by MindWorks Media (Islamabad), Wrong No. by YNH Films (Karachi), Actor In Law by Filmwala Pictures (Karachi), Janaan by IRK Films (Islamabad), Ho Mann Jaan by The Vision Factory (Karachi), Lahore Se Aagay by Showcase Productions (ironically Karachi based), Choorian (1998) by Pak Nishan Films (Lahore), Bol by Shoman Productions (Lahore). So out of the top 10 highest grossing Pakistani films, 6 are Karachi based productions, 2 Islamabad and 2 Lahore. All of the 6 Karachi productions were released between 2013 to 2017. I think it's suffice and safe to assume that Karachi has rightfully taken its position as the leader in Urdu cinema. Lahore still makes films, but they're almost exclusively Punjabi films. They tried producing some Urdu films over the years, and they were utter disasters. Islamabad is an oddity, but I view them as an extension of Karachi's scene. And there also seems to be an emphasis from Karachi based producers to not use the term "Lollywood"...it's almost like they deliberately do it, and to be honest I cannot blame them. At the same time does the Karachi scene identity with the "Kariwood", that I'm not sure about...but I do know for a fact that Lahore and Karachi are indeed two different camps. --PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 16:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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