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I had wanted to add a link pointing to "La Gloria (Titian)," but the painting is not titled "La Gloria (Titian)"; it is titled "La Gloria." Therefore, I linked it to "La Gloria," but first, on the "La Gloria" entry, I added "La Gloria (Titian)" to the list of entries to which "La Gloria" might refer. (That should have been there anyway.) Now, the reader of "Pietro Aretino" who clicks on "La Gloria" will see the list of entries to which "La Gloria" might refer and will then click on "La Gloria (Titian)." Is there a better way to accomplish what I intended?Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:33, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Disregard my previous comment. I figured out how to link "La Gloria" to the Wikipedia entry for "La Gloria (Titian)," and I did so.Maurice Magnus (talk) 21:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

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I try to be careful about that. Did you mean Frederick Douglass? The link you provide is to Allen Guelzo. If you meant Douglass, which edit did I mislabel as "minor"? If you meant Guelzo, then I'm surprised that adding that a book is forthcoming is not minor, but I'll remember for the future that it is. Suppose that I'd changed the year of publication because a previous editor erred? Would that be minor?Maurice Magnus (talk) 04:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

basically, adding any link is not a minor. Also change like Special:Diff/1014746436 is best not marked minor, because the addition of word like "objectionable" could change the meaning and potentially be contentious. It's basically for punctuations and spelling and coding errors. "minor" on Wikipedia has very specific meanings, as given in the template. By the way, I see you're working in a lot of authors. Do you happen to have any professional relationship for the edits you are making? Graywalls (talk) 05:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I've now read the template and understand when to use minor. I see that you made the same point to me last September, but this time I get it. I'm not sure what you mean by "professional relationship," but I think that the answer is no. I am a retired lawyer and editor with a wide range of interests, but the only legal person I've edited, as far as I recall, is Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., and I've mostly just added to his bibliography and copyedited. I have a slight personal (not professional) acquaintance with one person whom I've edited -- Frederick Crews -- and this past February another editor, RudolfRed, informed me (in Teahouse) that I should therefore not be editing him, so I've stopped.Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

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I fixed it. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:02, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Aldington

You're welcome. There is something peculiar about MacGreevy's/McGreevy's name. His Wikipedia entry says "Thomas MacGreevy (born Thomas McGreevy," but it says nothing about the change or when it occurred. Richard Aldington's Wikipedia entry names the book MacGreevy/McGreevy wrote: Richard Aldington: An Englishman. Amazon.com has a photo of the cover of that book showing the author's name as "McGreevy." Either he didn't change it until after he wrote that book, or he used both spelling simultaneously. Maurice Magnus (talk) 02:32, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I think this is best put on his talk page so that future editors can explore the confusions. Thanks for your attention to the biog. Best wishes. Anna (talk) 13:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I pasted my above comment on MacGreevy's talk page (with minor edits). Thanks for the suggestion. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:23, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your continued work on his page. Anna (talk) 15:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

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RE: Lorenzo de' Medici, Duke of Urbino

Parameter "succession" is not the same as parameter "caption". In "caption" you can add "Portrait by Raphael, 1518", but not in "succession". In fact, I undid your edit for this reason, not to discuss if Lorenzo was lord or not. Lord, ruler, or whatever you want, I'll change "Lord of Florence" to "Ruler of Florence". The url you added, I'll put it on the painting page on Commons. Greetings. Tajotep (talk) 16:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, great!. Here is the painting on Commons. The url provided there is broken (dead link), so I added the url of The Met. Tajotep (talk) 18:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Don't worry haha. Yes yes. If you click on the painting inside the infobox, it get closer (it takes up all your PC screen). Then, you click on "more details" (lower right corner), and it redirects you to the file in Commons. You can do this with every image on Wikipedia. Also, in "External links" you can find an url to Commons. All right? I added the url on Commons in "Summary --> Source/Photographer". If you want to add it on Wikipedia, use <ref></ref> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources), it looks a little bit ugly if you do this. Tajotep (talk) 21:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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American civil war - music subsection

The music subsection is part of the 'Memory and histiography' section. In that, there is much about commemoration. There is nowhere to say that the music listed should only be contemporaneous. Therefore, The Band's seminal song should definitely be included. Boscaswell talk 00:03, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for accepting my edit, Magnus. Boscaswell talk 01:12, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Be aware of this discussion

This analysis of current expert sourcing was an eye-opener for me. My bold edit today with which you disagreed was a first draft at expressing such thought. BusterD (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hello and thank you for engaging regarding the "further reading" section on the article on Dr. Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. My removal of the link you added was inspired by the article Wikipedia:Further reading which notes, "A large part, if not all, of the work should be directly about the subject of the article." Although Dr. Holmes is covered in Matteson's book about the Battle of Fredericksburg, it does not seem that he is a main subject, as you yourself noted in one of your edit summaries. I apologize if I implied that I was making that edit based merely on the title of the book, as you have suggested. Of course, now that I'm looking at it more carefully, I see that the bigger problem is that you were listing that book under "references" when, in fact, the article does not reference it whatsoever. Thank you again. --Midnightdreary (talk) 18:00, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I had listed it under References because there was no Bibliography or Further Reading. Should I have started one for a single book? I won't bother to do so for this book, because Holmes is not a main subject of it. By the way, is there a difference between Bibliography and Further Reading? They both list books not used as References, I suppose, but they can list books used as References if there is no References section, right? At Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. I recently changed the heading from Further Reading to Bibliography because it contained books that had been used as references, and there was no References section. I am confused. Maurice Magnus (talk) 19:00, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
In the future, please do not edit my user profile. We have talk pages for a reason. To respond to your inquiry, no, it's probably not a good idea to add a whole new further reading section for a single book. It does seem, nevertheless, that the list of references on that particular article provide substantial reading material. There does not seem to be a single standard across all articles regarding "bibliography" vs. "further reading", etc., but I would note that editors are particularly cautious in protecting featured articles such as the one on Dr. Holmes and, as such, will be quick to revert any questionable edits. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:26, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, and I will remember the distinction between user and talk pages. I first posted this on your talk page, and by mistake put it under an old exchange we had about Walt Whitman instead of creating a new subject. But it is not necessary to go to your talk page, right? I can reply on my own talk page, as I'm doing now. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

DJ Delete

The Deaths in 2022 page aims to be as succinct as possible with the entries. We don't need every name a person had been known as, we just need either the article name, or if a redlink the name they were known as. If he's DJ Delete, that's all that's needed. Please stop re-adding an additional name. Rusted AutoParts 02:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

My point was to highlight the fact this is not a practice you'd see. DJ Kay Slay isn't listed with a notation that his real name is Keith Grayson, we just use the article name, which is the one they were best known as. Doesn't make one "parsimonious", rather just keeping in step with the common format practice. Rusted AutoParts 02:34, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

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I added text and references to the article. Interesting person, but outside my area of expertise (biochemistry). David notMD (talk) 15:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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There is a lot of content on your User page that belonged on your Talk page. I suggest you just delete it rather than move it, as appears to pertain to old discussions. See Wikipedia:User pages for what UPs are for. Separately, you are within your rights to delete (or archive) content from your Talk page, so consider some clean-up there. David notMD (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Some of the stuff on my user page pertains to old discussions, but I put it on my user page to save as instructions to myself as to how to do things. Would it be all right to move them to my Sandbox, which I don't otherwise use? Maurice Magnus (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
That is a better idea. I frequently use my Sandox for works in progress and notes to myself. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for your cleanup at American Civil War. Sorry that it was necessary to that extent. I was just reviewing my most recent edits and noticed far too many typos and other minor errors, plus a few sentences that could be added and a few minor additions that could be made. You got the ones before my latest ones, where most of the little glitches actually were. You may wish to give it a further review after I complete a further review and a few small additions. By the way, at least I didn't put the word "completely" in the lead, but on the other hand, I didn't think to remove it. Donner60 (talk) 07:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Amended the previous comment a little. Also, the changes I just made were only in the End of the War section so you don't need to scout them out if you wish to review them. Donner60 (talk) 08:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I made footnote 2 less confusing, but it remains confusing. I changed it to read, "A diary excerpt is published in Gienapp, William E., ed. The Civil War and Reconstruction: A Documentary Collection. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., 2001, pp. 313-314 ISBN 978-0-393-97555-0. Taken from Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas, eds., The Diary of George Templeton Strong, vol. 2 (New York: The McMillan Company), pp. 600-601; vol. 3, p. 14."
One source of confusion was periods instead of commas between an author's or editor's name and a book. I changed the periods to commas. If pp. 600-601 refers to vol. 2 of The Diary, then what does vol. 3, p. 14 refer to? Maurice Magnus (talk) 10:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I did receive the alert but I am just signing in for the first time since you posted your messages. I can see why this might cause confusion. Strangely enough, the wording after the word "Taken" is verbatim from a footnote in the Gienapp book on page 313, including the punctuation. I copied it without thinking about why it would be spread out over two volumes. I now notice that the quotations from the Templeton diary shown in the Gienapp book actually are three small entries from June 29, 1865, May 22, 1865 and May 29 of the diaries, in that order. I assume the footnote is showing that the quoted excerpts are from pp. 600-601 of volume 2 of the edited diary publication and p. 14 of volume 3, without designating the quotes which came from each volume. I think it is safe to assume that the quote from volume 3 is actually the first excerpt, the one from the latest date of the three. I was only referring to the quote from May 29, which crosses over from page 313 to page 314 of Gienapp. Probably the best way to handle this is simply to delete "vol 3, p. 14" based on that assumption. I will do that as soon as I post this reply. Thanks for noticing that and letting me know. If you see anything else that needs editing please let me know or just change it if is something that is obviously in need of correction and does not affect the substance. Donner60 (talk) 08:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Donner60, not having a copy of the diary, I can't fully follow your explanation, but I trust you, and I will not edit it. I found the text of the diary, but I can't find pp. 600-601: George Templeton Strong diary, 1835-1875 | New York Historical Society | Digital Collections (nyhistory.org). Perhaps you will find this useful and might want to add a link to the footnote in American Civil War. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
I have been offline, mainly due to a severe leg muscle injury which is now swelling. I will have a further test as soon as later today. I may well have little opportunity to spend much time online as I recover. It is going to require physical therapy at a minimum. As to the subject at hand, I have found the actual online page and added an explanation to the footnote that Gienapp took the quote from an edited version of the diaries. I added the citation to the actual web page on the New York Historical Society and noted that the actual diaries have different volume and page numbers. Thanks for helping me clarify this. I hope it is now better, if a bit lengthy for a citation. I didn't even add the quote for that one.
Also, I have added a footnote to the end of the war section. I have made a few, probably unnecessary, additions to the talk page threads. I have answered two questioners in the next section on the talk page. I probably should not have bothered because it took some time and the questioners rather obviously paid no attention to the talk page threads setting out the research. Or they simply were unwilling to accept the result. Other articles need corrections, additions and even creation so I will probably not work much more, if at all, on this one.
I have been having computer delays and glitches in addition to real life events. I think I probably have a failing hard drive on top of everything else, making it difficult to bring up pages and ultimately to save edits. I don't like to complain about such personal things on Wikipedia but I have been online almost every day that I haven't given advance notice that I would not be for many years. In the past few years, real life, a few technical problems with Wikipedia and some computer problems have reduced my time online, sometimes unexpectedly. For the few people I regularly interact with, I have thought I should give an explanation for the absences occasionally, usually on my user page. Donner60 (talk) 10:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Using named references

I noticed your edit to Peter Swales (historian). You don't have named refs quite correct yet: you name and define a source once, then all you have to do later in the article is call the named ref. (You redefined the ref on both uses.)

First time: <ref name=example>{{cite web | url=something.com | title=something | website=something | access-date=8 August 2022}}</ref>

The next time you want to use the same ref, you just use: <ref name=example />

Note the closing slash in the ref tag.

Hope that helps! Schazjmd (talk) 00:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I changed the second time I used the same ref in the manner you instructed. But this has no effect on the article; it merely shortens what appears in "Edit source." Also, I noticed that, in Peter Swales (historian), the other places where a ref name is used, the second time that the same ref is used, it is in quotation marks. I experimented, using "Show preview," and found that the quotation marks have no effect. I used them anyway, but why do others use them? Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
The problem with repeating the definition of the ref is that it's nonstandard; if another editor needs to make an update or correction to the ref (such as adding an archive-url), other editors would not know to look for multiple places to fix it because there should only be one definition for that named ref. And as soon as there is the slightest difference between the definitions, there would be a cite error because the same name would be attached to different definitions.
The quotation marks are necessary when the name assigned to the ref contains numbers, punctuation, or spaces. They're not needed when the name is only letters. Some editors use the quotation marks anyway, possibly just to be in the habit so they are there when needed.
Happy editing! Schazjmd (talk) 13:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Your explanations are clear and helpful. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

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