User talk:North8000

wherever you want it to appear.

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@MPGuy2824: Thanks! North8000 (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 00:25, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 00:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

On behalf of the FAR coordinators, thank you, North8000! Your work on USS Missouri (BB-63) has allowed the article to retain its featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. I hereby award you this Featured Article Save Award, or FASA. You may display this FA star upon your userpage. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 16:31, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: Thanks. It was my pleasure. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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DoneNorth8000 (talk) 15:26, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

The relevant text is in the pink box located at the WP:3RR hyperlink - An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes or manually reverses other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert.

Best. Newimpartial (talk) 21:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I read that differently. That if a combination of consecutive edits is a revert, it's still a revert even if each one alone is not. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:42, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I hear what you're saying, but given the very generous way individual edits are interpteted as reverts in general, it isn't clear to me how a revert could emerge in the aggregate from edits that are not themselves reverts, considered separately. But in any event, the "case law" at WP:3RRN is fairly clear that consecutive edits always count as only a single revert. Newimpartial (talk) 21:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello North8000,

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~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello North8000,

Just a quick note to greet you outside of a noticeboard discussion.

I appreciated your recent comment at the COIN thread that there is something tangible, in certain closely examined cases, between "strongly discouraged" and "forbidden" re COI editing. Part of the community seems to be using the "wikilawyering" charge to shut down any thoughtful exploration of that gap, which I find egregiously unjust.

You make the comment above that "too often Wikipedia is a nasty place". I feel this, and may or may not resume editing the encyclopaedia.

In case it's of interest, I made some general comments re my concerns about the editor experience, and tendentious applications of WP policy, in my statement at my user page.

I found the content and tone of your contribution to that thread refreshing.

Sincerely, Walton22 (talk) 21:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Walton22: Thanks for the post and compliment. I really don't enough about the situation to have an opinion. The universe of Wikipedia editing can be a weird alternate universe and often a rough and tumble or nasty one. I don't have the wiki-minutes to take a deep broad dive, but if I can ever advise or help, let me know. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Thank you very much. I was happy to just make broad brush strokes now by way of this introduction, but I do very much appreciate the offer to counsel a little in the future if need be. "Alternate universe" is right! There is great potential for justice here, and indeed I see it happen often. Walton22 (talk) 16:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

you should check the spelling of Sarah Vaugn's name in your gallery. Carptrash (talk) 18:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Thanks. It looks like I have it (Vaughan) right. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

And while I have you here, what do you think of Bessie Smith & Ma Rainey as folk singers? I say "No" but it is always nice to meet a bold person who is actually willing to make the edits. Carptrash (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Carptrash: I have no expertise on them but their articles make zero mention of such and so I'd say no. North8000 (talk) 19:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

FYI, the ping in your reply at ANI won't work. See the documentation at Template:Ping#Usage for more info. Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 21:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@XAM2175: Thanks. There was one where I did it wrong and then fixed it a few minutes later. Is that the one that you are referring to? or did I make another error.  :-) North8000 (talk) 14:11, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

It's this edit at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Proposal to Indef DBachmann. The entire point of my message is that you can't fix it – the ping only works if all of these conditions are fulfilled in the edit where you place the ping template:

• The edit must add new lines of text, not just edit existing lines.
• The edit must be signed by adding ~~~~ to the end of the message.
• The edit must either be entirely within an existing section (it cannot have new section headers in the middle) or start a new section (starts with a new section header).
• The number of users to be pinged must be equal to or less than 50.

Thus, if you forget to add a ping, or get it wrong, the easiest thing to do is revert your reply entirely and then add it again with a working ping. Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 18:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@XAM2175:Thanks much for your post. I learned from it. I thought that you just needed a new signature and a new ping. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

No worries, glad I could help! 🙂 XAM2175 ^(T) 23:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I and others have proposed additional options at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC_on_a_procedural_community_desysop. You may wish to review your position in that RfC. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:22, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hey, did I accidentally ping you 3 times consecutively in my attempt to edit the Fox News RfC? If so, so sorry. Wait, wouldn't this talk page message make it 4? Oh no. -- Mebigrouxboy (talk) 03:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mebigrouxboy: I did get a couple of pings and it was bit confusing where they didn't go. Thanks for the pings and the post. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 13:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 18:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW/Evidence. Please add your evidence by June 30, 2023, which is when the evidence phase closes. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 23:51, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I think you may be misrepresenting me here. I am trying to abide by WP:CIVIL, as we all should. I find it troublesome, but perhaps it was just an accident? DN (talk) 04:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Darknipples: I didn't write anything by accident nor did I write anything uncivil. I did civilly take issue with one thing that you said about those who feel opposite that you do but even that was just a sidebar to my post. From your apologetic post I think you are being sincere and so I would like to offer a thought that might be useful. I've familiar with TFD's work (for over a decade) and they are one of the most careful, non-emotional, academic and source-based editors that I've interacted with. Their arguments (and mine) are just trying to sort out / discuss the specific narrow topics that you opened the section with. I think that you are misreading this as being about some broader POV struggle. There's nobody there who likes the KKK. IMO there are people who want to make the KKK article be (just) about the KKK. What reinforced my thought about the possible misreading was that quote that you closed you post with is something the to me looks like excellent relevant material for the article but you seemed to mistakenly thinking that the people who want to exclude that (IMHO irrelevant) material that you opened the section with have some broader exclusion goals which they don't have. In short, you may be imagining a battle that does not exist. And that a good way to sort that out would be to not conflate the narrow topic of your post that started that section with the other topics that you are mentioning, and to use the test of relevance to the article to help sort things out. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll clarify my so-called "absurd argument" for you. It's because it is excluding him, not entirely, but it's still exclusion. If that's how you want to interpret it, that's up to you. I clarified that I wasn't accusing anyone and that I was talking about under-representation, not disassociation. You seemingly used a misinterpretation as a means to discredit arguments I technically wasn't trying to make, which is a Straw man. That is not something I get bent out of shape over because it isn't typically uncivil. Where it crossed the line was calling it "absurd" (your word) which adds Appeal to ridicule on top of the misrepresentation. Now try to look at it from my perspective. If my response to you was..."I didn't write anything by accident nor did I write anything uncivil", what would you do? Would you still take the time to try to clear the air in effort to keep things CIVIL? Think about it, unfortunately I won't be responding on the article talk page until this gets sorted out. Cheers. DN (talk) 01:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

BTW I don't mean to sound condescending, by linking those logical fallacies. I do agree with and respect the rest of your explanation, but I don't feel as though I am being acknowledged or understood properly, so when I respond sometimes I overcompensate. DN (talk) 02:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Darknipples: There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding. I NEVER said that you made an absurd argument. Let's let the actual words speak for themselves. Please review the following:

• You made the following statement: "While I don't agree with the explanations I've been given as to why excluding David Duke from the KKK article...."
• And I responded to /referred to that statement saying "you open with saying that somebody made the absurd argument to generally exclude David Duke from the article (which I don't see anyone having said anything like that)"

It is not abundantly clear that this is NOT calling your argument absurd? My complaint was that you were misstating the arguments of others in a way that makes them / their argument look absurd. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 20:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

The arbitration case Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW has been closed, and the final decision is viewable at the case page. The following remedy has been enacted:

• For failure to meet the conduct standards expected of an administrator, AlisonW's administrative user rights are removed. She may regain them at any time via a successful request for adminship.

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 17:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/AlisonW closed

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done. North8000 (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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Done. Active there already. North8000 (talk) 16:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

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@North8000: We have spoken before about the Carmel Development Company Building and the Edward G. Kuster articles, and I know you are interested in California History. Please check out the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmel Valley Historical Society and add your 2 cents to keep the article. I think the article has merit and should not be deleted. Any help you can be provide would be appreciated. Thanks! Greg Henderson (talk) 22:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Greghenderson2006: I'd be happy to take a look and see what I think. In your approach to these things I'd suggest reading WP:Canvassing so that your efforts will be in compliance with that guideline. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, sorry about my approach, this has been pointed out to me. Just wanted to loop you into the discussion. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello friend. Your user talk page is lagging my computer a bit. If you ever want me to set up bot archiving for you, just let me know, would be happy to help. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I'll do some housecleaning. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I whacked over 1/2 of it. North8000 (talk) 03:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks, but it wasn't me who wrote it. It seems the page curation tool needs to be made a bit smarter about identifying who did the work. Yes, my edit is the first, but all I did was make a redirect for a redlink. I didn't flesh it out. The credit lies with Reubot. Kerry (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: Thanks for the post. I know that sometimes that is the case but it also puts the message on the talk page of the article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:12, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

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Please be a bit careful when nominating players that have hundreds of top-flight appearances in populous countries, as you did to Mohamed El Amine Hammia. You need to do a WP:BEFORE search in the respective language of the subject to find the best results. Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Z@Paul Vaurie: If the sources exist, why don't you just put them in the article instead of writing posts like this? North8000 (talk) 22:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

What in the world are you talking about? You nominated the article for deletion. I am showing that there are sources, and that the subject passes WP:GNG. I don't have to go and add them into the article. We are evaluating the subject's notablity, not the quality of the article. Please review WP:BEFORE and WP:AFD. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:11, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

See my previous post. If you think so, then put them into the article and settle it. North8000 (talk) 22:14, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello North8800,

There a lot of similar pages in Wikipedia. i.e. Liverpool F.C. in international football, 1. FC Köln in European football, etc. Could you please explain me why are you thinking of deleting this page?

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The reasons were the ones that I gave at the AFD. If you mean responding to the "similar pages" point that you made, when IMO there is pretty clearly a problem, I don't consider the face that other similar ones exist to be a reason to change that. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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Could you please stop with sarcastic comments like these? They are not helpful. This is inappropriate behavior for a contentious topic area. ––FormalDude (talk) 22:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@FormalDude: I had a purpose in mind, and chose a lighthearted/indirect way to pursue it. (Rather than a direct nasty overreach like accusing of accusing a particular editor of "Making a habit out of" and "disruptive") Either way I don't plan to do any more of those there. Sincerely. North8000 (talk) 03:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry you felt I was nasty, that was not my intent. I've changed the heading. ––FormalDude (talk) 04:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Thanks. I Updated with the strike. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 10:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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Done North8000 (talk) 20:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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I just receive a notice on my talk page.

It seems I've been given a broad, indefinite ban on editing wikipedia articles.

No explanation has been given to me as to what I've done wrong.

I don't understand this. At all. Something is very wrong, here.

@Sbelknap: You are banned from editing certain Wikipedia articles. I've not looked at the background leading up to this. Regarding degree of culpability maybe there are three possibilities:

1. Your behavior was fine by both Wikipedia real world standards and the result was a travesty.
2. You behavior was fine by real world standards but (possibly in good faith.....ala "take it to talk") not by Wiki standards. With the most likely issue being WP:bludgeoning. And some thinking by the crowd that the referred to emerging-science that is overtaking widely accepted folklore widely presumed to be science-based but which has no basis in science.
3. Your behavior was outrageous by Wiki standards .....maybe extreme WP:bludgeoning and maybe strongly pushing ideas (aside from the above) which are actually fringier.

My guess is that #2 is most likely. If so, based on what you said at ANI you've probably learned that and already shifted course. If so, I'd suggest editing the 99% of Wikipedia that you are not banned from (and practice that) and then ask to have the ban removed in 6 months or a year. In case it might help and if you wish, I'd agree to watch you for a month after that.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll take you up on that. sbelknap (talk) 22:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I notice that you consistently like my new articles but they have a lot of trouble with getting through AFC. Are you an AFC reviewer too? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:18, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: I think that the short answer is yes, (the long answer is that it is not an explicit authority) but I haven't been doing AFC reviews. I think that the (unintended) standard for getting out of AFC is tougher than passing NPP patrol because the AFC reviewer is sort of saying "this article is overall fine" where in NPP patrol we are sort of saying "it's OK for an article on this topic to exist." If you have one that you'd like me to look at ping me and I'd be happy to and do my first AFC review. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:44, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Here is one such page that I have been having trouble with Draft:KunitamaImmanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: That one has a few things that make it complicated. Let's say that it wasn't already at AFC and I ran across it as a harried NPP'er who has about 5 minutes or less to review the article. (NPP is basicaly a case of about 20 reviewers trying to review about 500 articles per day) . I'd give the article a quick first read and then look at the references. There is (only) one paragraph on line. The other 2 references are to off-line books. There is nothing wrong with that! However that leave me unable to verify suitable GNG coverage. Next I would try to read the article to understand what it is saying / to learn what I can from the topic. I must say that from a typical reader's standpoint, it is rough going. Throughout, your explanations utilize/depend on terms that the reader does not know. Many are linked, but IMO links are to provide additional info rather than to make the sentence understandable by a typical reader. So my recommendation would be to add a lot more plain English explanations. So I read the article (without reading/learning all of the linked articles) and really didn't get an understanding of the topic from reading it.....if I had, that would have helped me assess. So I'd google the topic. Didn't find any in-depth coverage but found enough to know that it's a real/legit topic and which sounds likely to have more substantial off-line coverage. So I'd take a gamble and give it a NPP pass. And I usually like to send the creator a note with a compliment or thanking them for their work. So, in my hypothetical scenario, I wasn't able to confirm that suitable GNG coverage existed, but took a guess/gamble that it does.

For this particular article, an AFC reviewer has already declined it so me jumping in would be a case of saying that I'm using my guess to override their review.

There are lots of possibilities here, too many to try to cover in my first post. Maybe a good next step is to ask for any thoughts of yours at this point? (as a prelude to discussing further) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I’ll work on trying to make that one more comprehensible. What do you think about this one Draft:Suga Shrine?Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: If I were to run across that article during new page patrol, I would pass it. But IMHO it has the same readability problem that I discussed above. A reader could not learn anything from just reading it unless they first know/learn the specialized terms than nearly every sentence is dependent on. Let me give you an example.

• Sentence dependent on knowledge of the terms: The nucleus of the atom holds together because the strong force exceeds the Coulomb's law force.

• More explanatory...a person can learn something from reading it even if they do not know the meanings of the linked terms: Since the protons within a nucleus of an atom are positively charged particles, they electrostatic force would make them repel each other, tending to make the nucleus fly apart. But at the close distances within the nucleus, the strong force is even stronger, thus holding the nucleus together.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

What do you think about this draft Draft:Izumo_clan? Also for some reason the reply function is not workingImmanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 06:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I think your signature might be breaking it Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 06:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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Done North8000 (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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Done North8000 (talk) 16:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Your removal of the Buffy Sainte Marie update that she is not Indigenous was corrected. Nice try. 2001:569:7133:1600:5428:DB94:1845:9CA5 (talk) 08:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

At the time it was an unsourced BLP violation, and that was explained. As sources became available, I supported the addition. However, your making this post with false accusations (even after you saw ptherwise...that I supported putting it in once sourcing was provided) IS a big problem. North8000 (talk) 10:53, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I posted a known fact. You removed it. You should have done your research before removing it...or did you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7133:1600:9805:6498:BFE8:96DC (talk) 07:54, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

You have a lot of things backwards. See previous response. Also WP:V and WP:BLP North8000 (talk) 14:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

You have to admit what I posted was the truth and you removed that. At the time the truth was not available online as Buffy has spent 60 years (and the entire existence of the Internet) weaving her false story. Now Wikipedia is one of the only places where researchers can find the truth about Buffy. Encyclopedia Britannica (lies), PBS documentaries (lies), Numerous Major Award sites (lies) and pretty much the rest of the Internet and so called authorities have validated her lies. I am glad that numerous contributors updated her wikipedia page and you came to accept the truth, Buffy is a Pretendian. :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7133:1600:EC53:E8D5:9F9F:8ADB (talk) 00:17, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You are oblivious to what I was saying but we ended up with something that was fine with both of us. So all's well that ends well. Happy editing! North8000 (talk) 00:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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Done North8000 (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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I've started a revamp of Wikipedia:Tools/Optimum tool set.

Please take a look and let me know if there are any essential techniques or must have tools that you think should be included.

Thank you.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   06:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Transhumanist: What an interesting/ excellent page! I wouldn't know where to start regarding suggestions. My one thought is that it is written for people who have no knowledge in this specific area but sometimes presumes knowledge in it's explanations. Witness my unsuccessful experimentation (after reading it on that page) with how to make the daily tip appear at the top section. North8000 (talk) 14:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Very good feedback. Thank you. I wrote it to be copy/pasted from the viewed page, not the edit page. Do you think quotation marks would help?    — The Transhumanist   07:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Transhumanist: Thanks! Suggest putting in what you just told me....copy from the viewed page, not the edit page. Also note that it's either one or the other...not both. North8000 (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I've added the code to your edit page immediately below. From here you can move it to wherever you want.    — The Transhumanist   07:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm here to talk about what you did with Piaseczno Narrow-Gauge Railway. It's a mess. You cannot just change he name of article (Wierzbno station) and pretend its entirely new article. You didn't write anything about the railway, you didn't change the interlanguage link, and you didn't mention any other railway stations. Not to mention it's not even the first time you took upon yourself to "delete" article about minor railway station without any discussion.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 12:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Artemis Andromeda: I was going to AFD the railway station article during NPP (IMO clearly fails wp:notability) but instead thought of using it to start an article on the rail line. I though another station article (with the same problem which I would have also AFD'd) which I thought was on the same rail line and planned to put material from both articles into the rail line article. I knew that it would temporarily be a mess, which is what you noted. Then I noticed that the second article was not on the same rail line. That is as far as I got. I think that an article on the rail line (including details and images on the stations) would work out excellently and survive. At this point, what would you prefer to do? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:00, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Recapping, I was going to AFD the railway station article during NPP (IMO clearly fails wp:notability) but instead thought of using it to start an article on the rail line. There was another station article (with the same problem which I would have also AFD'd) which I thought was on the same rail line and planned to put material from both articles into the rail line article. I knew that it would temporarily be a mess, which is what you noted. Then I noticed that the second article was not on the same rail line. That is as far as I got. I think that an article on the rail line (including details and images on the stations) would work out excellently and survive. It turns out that the other station/article is not on this particular rail line. If I receive no response to my question below I plan to circle back and tidy the situation up a bit.North8000 (talk) 21:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Don't start messes you don't intend to fix. Tell me, whose now gonna go and write an entire article about Piaseczno Railway? Me? You? Some third person who will stumble onto it in the next 10 years? You cannot just make messy articles like this and hope somebody else will fix it.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 15:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Artemis Andromeda: That's not an answer to my question, which seems a very reasonable one. In light of my response, what would like to happen next? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC) North8000 (talk) 19:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Also, as a sidebar, you had numerous implied accusations like "don't intend" which are pretty creative, particularly in light of what I wrote. North8000 (talk) 19:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

If you wanted to delete the article, you should have had just report it for deletion on the notability basis. If you wanted to creat article about the Piaseczno Railway, you should have had just made a new article. Instead, you just changed the name, without changing any content in the article itself. It's now unencyclopedical, contins wrong categories, is still linked to Polish Wikipedia article about Wierzbno station, and talks only about this one station, and has basically no information about the railway line itself. You cannot just do that, and hope that somebody else will notice, and ever come to fix that, and write a proper article, because most of the times, nobody does (it's to niche to be notices).Artemis Andromeda (talk) 19:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Artemis Andromeda: Again no answer to my very reasonable question. This is far simpler and easier to resolve than you seem to think. Again, what would like to happen next? North8000 (talk) 21:58, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

I have two drafts that I would like your feedback on

• Draft:Owari clan
• Draft:Yamato no Kuni no Miyatsuko

I feel both are currently in a good state but might need some improvement. I am planning on taking a break rather soon and hope I can get them through quickly before it Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 20:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: I was off the grid for a few days and it will be a couple days before I get caught back up in Wikipedia. North8000 (talk) 14:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Yamato no Kuni no Miyatsuko article

This article is a bit weaker in all of the areas I discussed above in the Owari section. I'll need more looking at it before I could say anything. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

To a typical reader, this article is nearly unreadable. Nearly every sentence relies on knowledge on some obscure term to even know what the sentence says. Having an internal link to a term does not change that, a reader should not have to read another article just to figure out what each sentences says. Internal links are generally more "for further reading". Also, you are creating redlinks for plan English words where the target of the redlink is not even in the sentence. I would not consider these items grounds to reject an article, but having an article with a severe problem in this area is a significant problem. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: I tried to fix the Yamato no Kuni no Miyatsuko article. I see both of them were recently accepted. I noticed somehow the reply function broke so I am unsure what happened (unsigned by Immanuelle)

@Immanuelle: Cool. Hope my comments helped even if they were friendly-blunt. Wish you the best and happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Yeah they were helpful. Yamato no Kuni no Miyatsuko is pretty difficult I think to explain and I will want to do further rewriting of it to make it clearer. btw are your pronouns he/him or is wikipedia just not set up weith them? I thought you had a pic and were a girl.Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: Cool. I have on my user page "I live in the USA and (to simplify the pronoun question for folks) am male." but beyond that I don't participate in stating pronouns. North8000 (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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@Immanuelle: Nope, just an image that I liked due to a combination of several things. I'm a lot older and uglier than that. North8000 (talk) 03:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000 I think your signature is broken since I can reply to my comments but not yours Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 13:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

FYI this was undeleted at REFUND recently due to it being a soft-deletion. Just a courtesy heads-up given you were the last AfD nominator, and may wish to re-nominate. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 20:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Daniel: Thanks for the post and heads up. My nomination was just under trying to do my NPP job properly. It's still tagged for wp:notability and awaiting another NPP review. I might just let a second set of eyes review it. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hello North8000, as described at the bottom of the recent edit-warring noticeboard discussion, I have removed some examples of unproductive remarks by all mentioned editors in Special:Diff/1194995281. Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't agree that "I think it's time for you to mellow out. That would be much more pleasant for everybody, including you. " is an unproductive remark. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

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Thank you for your comments on ANI about perspective (while I slept)! As you know, I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: My pleasure and they were well deserved! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for that interesting note! North8000 (talk) 14:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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This is turning into quite a little rant. I was considering a hat, but I think that honor should go to someone else. Do you have any further suggestions? Cheers. DN (talk) 02:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Darknipples: I have some ideas but I'm buried in RL for the next 2 hours. North8000 (talk) 17:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for looking in, I do appreciate it. DN (talk) 19:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

My pleasure. North8000 (talk) 19:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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@HeraTheGoddess: Thanks! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I replaced the notability tags you added to Group Otte with an expand German tag. When I was looking for additional sources I found the de.wikipedia article and the German name for the group. The de.wikipedia article has several German language sources in addition to the 3 or 4 now in the English article. Let me know if you still think it needs the tags. Ben Azura (talk) 18:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ben Azura: Cool. Thanks for your work. I marked it as reviewed. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 23:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, it looks like you are only interested in reviews done after 2023. I've modified the query to support this. The new query runs much faster (14s vs 325s) and also gives much less results which would make your post-processing easier too. Please fork it. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824: Thanks. I figured that we need to have it start somewhere, and in order to serve it's purpose, where interested people can be in and keep themselves in Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

BTW if we went back farther, there would be only one person in the running. So we're trying to create more folks doing that. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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You've now double-voted on at least two proposals at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I (in one case twice for the same position, in another case twice for different positions). --JBL (talk) 22:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@JayBeeEll: Thanks. I'll go look and fix. North8000 (talk) 01:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

It's hard to keep track with a gigantic page with about 40 proposals.North8000 (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

No kidding! --JBL (talk) 17:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I felt better when I saw that I gave edge case answers ("weak ...." and "Neutral") on the one where I had different positions! North8000 (talk) 18:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Haha, indeed. In one of them it had been fully 3 weeks in between, I think very understandable. It does look to me like you still have two oppose votes in proposal 4 and two supports in 16, though. --JBL (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I fixed. North8000 (talk) 19:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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I just thought I'd let you know that this article, which was just moved to this particular title, had the PROD tag you added last week removed. Editors used to be routinely notified if an article they tagged was de-PROD'd but that habit has kind of died out now that we have more articles being de-PROD'd than in the past. So, I just thought I'd alert you in case you wished to take it to WP:AFD. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Liz: Thanks for the heads up. It was sitting in the NPP que for almost 4 months and nothing was happening on problems (including a severe one with the title and thus title-defined subject) long noted by others. With the title change it would probably need hours of learning by me or involvement of someone more knowledgeable on the topic than me to figure out what to do next. Either way it still has "waiting for NPP" flag on it. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I have found twice now this article redirected to the band's main article. This was down to "no evidence of notability", despite it charting at 42 on Official German Charts. Please enlighten me on what other evidence of notability is needed, because I thought if a song charted in at least one country, that's enough.

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@Bandit5660: The main idea of wp:notability, including the wording choices at N:Music is having the in depth coverage in sources from which to build an article from. Similarly in the discussions at other policies and guidelines even if one made points such as yours regarding the wp:notability condition. This article has no such coverage and no such content. IMO it should be merged into the band or album article. I'm going to step away from this one from a NPP standpoint (and also I'm not tagging it) and let someone else review it. Either way, happy editing!North8000 (talk) 14:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I am asking you to please review my article to see if it is worthy of being moved to the main page of the English Wikipedia. I have replaced some references that were not reliable sources and added careers to the article. If you don't think the article is worthy please feel free to make suggestions on the article's talk page or my user talk page. Thanks and regards Badak Jawa (talk) 07:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your note at AfC help desk. Appreciate your review/direct edits/comments on the draft page for closed-loop geothermal here: Draft:Closed-loop geothermal to improve probability of approval at submission. Thanks in advance. Nemesia345 (talk) 19:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Nemesia345: I copied them into the talk page of the draft....is that what you meant? Also, just clarifying, if you wish I could do the AFC review when you resubmit if you pinged me. I'd probably also do the NPP review at the same time. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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@North8000:, thank you for your review. Any chance you could look into Draft: Ami Dror as well? --Omer Toledano (talk) 15:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The core question is whether or not there are independent sources that cover him in depth. If you could pick out the two references that best do this and ping me I'd be happy to take a look. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@North8000: Hi again. There is this article from "Shine News" in Shanghai, and this article (in Hebrew) in "Calcalist", references 32 & 33 respectively on the current draft. There is also this article on Israe21c, reference number 30 in current draft. In addition, Ami Dror is a prominent protest leader who is constantly sought after by television media, and radio. Your help would be greatly appreciated. --Omer Toledano (talk) 07:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Omert33: Those look very solid. My wiki-minutes are limited which is why I'm asking you to do legwork in order for me to help.

1. Are all 3 of those references currently in the article? (please be sure to answer this question even if not)
2. If not, can you put them in and then confirm to me?

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@North8000:, the answer is yes. All three references are in the article. --Omer Toledano (talk) 08:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Omert33: Nice work. I moved it to article space and NPP reviewed.Left a post at talk referencing this thread regarding GNG sourcing. North8000 (talk) 13:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@North8000:, thank you so much for your help but I now see that it has been nominated for deletion. Why are they doing this? --Omer Toledano (talk) 14:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to hypothesize. See my comments at the AFD. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hi North8000, Thank you for reviewing the page I wrote about ThirumaLi and leaving an appreciation note saying nice work :) Thank you. I was wondering if you would also be able to review a page I wrote about Masala Coffee's founder - Varun Sunil, please? Thanks! 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 15:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

My Wiki minutes are limited, but if you could help a bit..... In your case it needs to have GNG sources, which means published independent sources that cover the topic of the article (Varun Sunil) In depth. Could you pick out the 2-3 sources in the article that you think best fulfill this requirement? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Definitely. I understand. Sharing few GNG Sources for you to review them easier. Here's 1 (The Hindu Article - Considered a Reliable Source), 2, 3 Thank you for your time, North8000. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 17:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I did the review. Happy editing! North8000 (talk) 21:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi North8000. Thank you for your work on Amloki (TV series). Another editor, Sohom Datta, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Hey, Just wanted to let you know, Times of India (and WP:CHURNALISM reporting from other Indian news sources) are generally considered fairly unreliable. (See WP:NEWSORGINDIA).

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@Sohom Datta: Thanks for the post and info. I'm a bit confused in a couple ways......I didn't work on / edit the article. I left a note but didn't review it and you did. But thanks for the info. North8000 (talk) 01:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta: Do you have much experience with Times of India. I can understand where they they might not be reliable enough for various purposes (such as sourcing something controversial for BLP). But my most common situation is where `I'm evaluating for GNG coverage in the customary degree of stringency. For example, if they have a substantive article on someone that looks like a real article (not posting a bio supplied by the person). So we're basically looking for puplished independent coverage. Do you think that they fall short for that type of thing? Enough so to not look at Times of India when reviewing for GNG coverage? North8000 (talk) 01:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

(In response to your first question), PageTriage does list you as the reviewer (which is why I sent this note). Sohom (talk) 01:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

My approach to looking at Times of India for notability purposes is to take each and every individual article on a case by case basis. In the case of Amloki (TV series) almost all of the articles are short (compare the size of vs or even which is just a fluffy summary of a tweet), do not have an attributed author and are written in the style of a press release which makes me doubt their reliability and neutrality. For most BLPs, companies and TV shows (basically any topic where paid publishing can be a concern) I tend to approach TOI reporting with scepticism from a notability POV. Sohom (talk) 01:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@North8000: Greetings again. Could you please take a look at this discussion on the talk page? Your view on the matter would be appreciated. --Omer Toledano (talk) 10:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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@Maliner: Thanks! I try! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi North8000, I'd like to raise a concern regarding your AfDs and ask for clarification. I appreciate that you do a lot of review of new pages. However, I'm concerned about how thorough your WP:BEFORE searches are particularly as they relate to looking for native language sources are required under step B7 of the process. I notice that you've recently nominated articles for deletion where the primary language is Divehi, Arabic, Bengali, Filipino, Azerbaijani, and Japanese. These are quite varied languages and the probability that one person can do a competent WP:BEFORE search in all of these languages strikes me as unlikely. Understand you're a far more experienced editor than I am but it strikes me that in some cases articles may be getting deleted that would be kept if someone who spoke the language searched for sources. I appreciate that I was notified when you nominated a page I created but perhaps it would also be appropriate to somehow notify other editors who speak the appropriate language or consult them before making a nomination? Wikipedia is already known to have a systematic bias towards the Anglo world and I would hate for a pattern of AfD nominations to reinforce that bias. Just a note and appreciate that you help cull quite a bit of spam from the website. DCsansei (talk) 11:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@DCsansei: Thanks for that thoughtful post. I think that even the most thorough search in all languages would not result in a keep on the first 5 of those 6 and maybe also the 6th. Discussing all of them would be a long multi-faceted discussion on each of them I'm not able to do here right now. But maybe if you could pick one of theme to have a more in-depth discussion on I'd be happy to do that and I think it would be helpful. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I also don't consider myself qualified to evaluate the notability of most of the examples I provided: I don't speak those languages. My interest was piqued by Shibata Takumi (fund manager), an article I started a few weeks ago with the intention of coming back to but didn't expect the notability to be questioned. I struggle to see how you could come to the conclusion that he isn't notable if a BEFORE search was conducted. I'm working to improve the article a bit now to at least head-off deletion (with the intent of return to it further later). I found your response when I provided numerous sources a bit dismissive particularly as it relates to perpetrating Wikipedia's tendency to focus entirely on American/English topics despite being a global resource. Shibata was described (in English) by Reuters as one of Japan's most high-profile financial executives and there are numerous sources describing his various career moves. If English-speaking editors don't view one of the most high-profile business leaders in what was then the world's second largest economy as obviously notable on Wikipedia it's no wonder we have systematic bias. DCsansei (talk) 12:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@DCsansei: Well that was the "#6" that I referred to which could go either way. Long story short, structurally the current question is whether or not there are two (maybe one will do) published independent sources that cover the topic of the article (him) in depth. And the main point behind that is to see if there is enough published in-depth material to create a real wiki-article from. So the question isn't how "real world notable" he is, the question is whether or not those 2 sources exist. So if somebody googles a person and finds a whole lot of "hits" that doesn't answer that question. The real work is going through those hits to find the 2 (or maybe 1) sources that fulfill the relevant criteria (or find out that they don't exist). The flip side is that if those 2 (maybe one) sources exist to advise that keeping the article is far simpler than you think.....just identify those two sources and it's a "keep".

There might be a bit of a background thing that affected the shortness of my response. Which might be me (possibly mistakenly) assuming that you know all of the above. About the 20 most active NPP'ers need to do about 90% of the review work and right now we're struggling to get through / drowning in a 15,000 article backlog. With the "real work" part being sorting through a bunch of hits to find the 1-2 sources of the right type, your post could be taken as criticizing me for not doing that work while declining to actually do that work. Either way, thanks for your posts. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Admittedly, I was not pleased with being asked to do any "real work" since I'm on holiday this week so finding the 7-day AfD clock during time it would take away from vacation rather than work is not ideal. Not a knock on your work patrolling new articles which must run across a lot of craff. Could you take another look at the article now? I believe notability should be apparent now although I'll continue slowly reviewing Japanese sources. DCsansei (talk) 11:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@DCsansei: Here's a copy of my post at that "#6"

"Keep/withdraw The creator has increased it from 4 references up to 27 references. They've also asked me to take a look at those/the article as they are away on vacation/holidays. (IMO this mostly means analyzing all of the new references and finding the GNG-best ones per my request above)....happy to help someone enjoy their vacation/holidays and I did. Most of the best looking ones are behind paywalls, but as a minimum there are many near-GNG references by top tier sources. They have also expanded the article substantially with enclyclopedic content, also indicative of the addition of in-depth references. While I can't vouch for the most rigorous-interpretation GNG compliance, I have decided to switch to "keep/withdraw"."

Enjoy your vacation! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate your engagement here. DCsansei (talk) 07:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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Hey North8000, I noticed you are having trouble with that monthly reviewers query. I can assist you, but first, I’ll need to create a page in your userspace. Once that’s done, you’ll be able to update data with just one click anytime you need to. – DreamRimmer (talk) 03:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: Great! Please do! Thanks. North8000 (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and created User:North8000/New pages patrol/Reports in your userspace. Moving forward, a bot will take care of updating the data every 30 days. Plus, you can always grab the latest reports yourself by simply clicking 'Update the table now' whenever you want. – DreamRimmer (talk) 16:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: Wow! Thanks. Is there a way I can export it to a file? Because that's how I was doing what I was doing. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Which format? – DreamRimmer (talk) 12:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: I import into MS Access, so almost any structured file will do. But let's say Excel or .csv. If this is possible, thanks!North8000 (talk) 14:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Exporting from there isn’t possible, but you can use this website to download it as a CSV file. Just copy and paste the URL of the table page, then click on the send button. That’s all. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: Thanks! North8000 (talk) 16:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: thanks for doing this while I was off-wiki.

@North8000: is this good enough for your workflow? I notice that the report has been refreshed a few times. Hopefully, one of those times was you. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824: @DreamRimmer: Yes, it worked out great and thanks to everyone. Just trying to learn a bit....what does that one run in seconds where the other one wouldn't complete even in hours. Or maybe I was doing something wrong. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already!

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@Maliner: Thanks! I try! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Seconding this, I've seen your work around in NPP, I've found most of your work to be pretty solid :) Sohom (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta: Thanks! North8000 (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Why not, please? North8000 is an expensive editor and I admire your work at NPP. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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• I have often and many times seen and been impressed by your competence, conduct, and clue North8000, and like the others here: I think you would be a very good administrator. I also believe that your RfA would easily succeed as your qualifications are readily obvious, robust and well rounded, and rock solid by any fair measure. Your temperament is as close to admin perfect as it can practically be. And it's unambiguously clear that your character traits are genuine (not a contrived cell in your body I'm certain). Wikipedia is better because of you and the gifts of your time given. Above all else, I sincerely thank you for that. And I would be thrilled to support you for adminship. Having said these things with best regards, I wish you wellness and good cheer.--John Cline (talk) 00:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@John Cline: Thanks. I'd be happy to serve but it's a big decision to go through the RFA process. North8000 (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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I'm only seeing this now, good idea! Didn't know you weren't an admin yet. My email is open if you'd like to get some private feedback or talk about about a nomination. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, I do not think it is a good idea to continue a closed discussion, like what you have done at this section of the Jordan Peterson talk page regarding the Jubilee medal 14 minutes after the closure of that discussion. I have planned to revert it, but due to uncertainty over how appropriate the revision really is (and how appropriate it would be to revert it), I have found it better to instead discuss that revision here with you. CarlFilip19 (talk) 21:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@CarlFilip19: What I did was both OK and appropriate. Including responding to a comment/accusation about me wrongly implying that I was out of line because I participated in a discussion without an invitation. Or I could have reopened it to make it even more official. But it would be improper to revert it.  :-) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@North8000: Thank you for nice response. Well, now that you say it, I will let you keep that comment of yours, especially to use an answer to resolve a conflict. CarlFilip19 (talk) 14:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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Hi North8000. Thanks for reviewing this article. Gardenkur (talk) 03:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gardenkur: Nice to hear from you again! Looks like all is going well. North8000 (talk) 12:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi North8000. Thanks for your response. Yes things are fine and hope the same with you. With other things on hand the contribution towards Wikipedia reduced, though efforts to improve this platform with guidance from all is always there. Gardenkur (talk) 02:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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I had no idea that I did this until I got the ping. Must've hit revert with my fat fingers. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: Thanks for the post. I was wondering about that. North8000 (talk) 22:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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Greetings North8000, Hope you're having a great day! I was wondering if you could review a recent article I wrote about a record label Mass Appeal India, please? Here's couple of independent sources - 1, 2, 3, 4

Thank you! 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 13:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rydex64: Looks like someone already did it. Happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Why did you move that article to mainspace when rejected article to mainspace? scope_creep^Talk 14:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I don't know what you mean by the 2nd half of your sentence, but regarding the first half, IMO it's very solid that there is no reason for it to not be in mainspace. And on what is likely the main question, IMO has sourcing to solidly meet GNG, much more solid that a typical new article. In your AFD nom, you indicated that is has some low quality sources, I did not review all 57 sources, just enough to confirm GNG compliance. If some (or many) of the other 57 have the problems that you describe, that is not a reason to delete the article or preclude it from mainspace. BTW, I plan to move this thread to my talk page. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I posted this really quickly. I thought it was your talk page. scope_creep^Talk 15:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

See what the Afd says I guess. I can't believe I posted to your user page. scope_creep^Talk 15:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep: No sweat. Wish you the best and thanks for your work. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey @North8000, Hope you're having a great day! I wrote an article about Tech Panda & Kenzani back in March, and it's not reviewed yet. I'd really appreciate it if you can take a look! :) Thanks as always! 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 09:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rydex64: Hello Rydex64. I really don't do "respond to request" reviews about current personalities/groups engaged in a business. This one would need a large amount of work going through all of the references to see if there some GNG references which it would need to have in order to pass wp:notability. But if you'd like to help pick out the references most likely to be GNG references, I'd be happy to review. This would be to select the 2-3 references which best meet the following criteria: Independent, published sources which cover Tech Panda & Kenzani in depth. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey @North8000, Oh apologies, I forgot to mention they're an Electronic music group/band. And surely, I will select the 3 best references for you to review easily. Here - 1, 2, 3 Thanks!

Hey hey @North8000, Sorry for the ping! I think the previous message might have slipped through your mind. Could you please take a look when you have a couple of minutes? Thanks a lot! :)

@Rydex64: Sorry I missed that you already looked. The first is just to the article but I did review it. Happy editing! North8000 (talk) 19:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry haha, It was an accident. But, thanks for the review. Appreciate it! Cheers.

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@Red-tailed hawk: Thanks for the note. I was thinking that it was obvious because I noted in the edit summary that it was implementing a merged decided at AFD, and the talk page discussed what the source article was. But better to also put it into the edit summary which I didn't do. North8000 (talk) 13:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Greetings, @North8000. Grateful if you could kindly have a look at this suggestion about the Met page and let me know what you think. It's about a merger you made from In America: An Anthology of Fashion a couple of years ago. Thank you. —Protalina (talk) 11:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Happy to. I posted there. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello North8000, I stumbled across your survey of 1000 random articles. Would you mind if I add it to Category:Random pages tests? It seems to be among the largest conducted! – Teratix ₵ 11:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

@Teratix: Thanks for asking. Please do! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:33, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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I didn't think I was a member of that project but I'd be happy to look at the article. North8000 (talk) 13:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Found it....got invited 13 years ago and said I was more libertarian. North8000 (talk) 13:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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@Cowboygilbert: thanks! 15 years flew by. North8000 (talk) 02:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Dear User:North8000, thanks for your efforts! On 15-16 September 2024 I edited Neural network (machine learning). You reverted and wrote: "You are doing massive reassignment of credit for Neural Networks based on your interpretation of their work and primary sources and deleting secondary sourced assignments. Please slow down and take such major reassignments to talk first." So that's what I am doing now. (Not quite sure whether this should be done on the article's talk page or your own.) Please note that most of my edits just resurrected important old references deleted on 7 August 2024 in a major edit when User:Cosmia Nebula (whose efforts I appreciate) tried to compress the text‎. I also fixed links in some of the old references, added a few new ones (both primary and secondary sources), corrected many little errors, and tried to streamline some of the explanations. IMO these edits substantially improved the history section of the article, although a lot remains to be done. Now I'd like to ask you: please check out the details and revert your revert! Best regards, Speedboys (talk) 16:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Speedboys: Thanks for your work and your post. The series of rapid fire edits ended up being entangled where they an't be reviewed/ potentially reverted separately. In that bundle were several which IMO pretty creatively shifted/assigned credit for being the one to pioneer various aspect. So I'm not open to reinstating that whole linked bundle including those. Why not just slow down and put those things back in at a pace where they can be reviewed? And the the ones that are are a reach (transferring or assigning credit for invention) take to talk first. You are most familiar with the details of your edits and are in the best position to know those. I'd be happy to discuss at either place, but may I suggest having this general discussion here and any more specific ones at the article? Happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

User:North8000, thanks! Well, all the edits are backed by important references, and most of them aren't novel, just resurrecting old stuff deleted in a massive edit of 7 August 2024 that (unlike mine) has remained unchallenged so far. At your suggestion, I put it in the article's talk page. Speedboys (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm curious how NPP plans to patrol articles on animal species? To meet the proposed guidance of "valid name exists" a species only needs to be published (no restrictions on being academic or peer-reviewed) using the oldest available, non-invalidated name purporting to be that new taxon. This would mean even a single self-published journal article would be sufficient for a species to have a valid name and therefore warrant a standalone article. And since at least some curated databases do not assess scientific merit of species descriptions they will automatically designate such species as having a "valid name" unless and until someone else publishes something calling it into question -- which means we technically could also have a reliable source for this species even if it is not secondary, independent, or significant. JoelleJay (talk) 00:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@JoelleJay: Thanks for the post. Didn't quite understand that last sentence. My first thoughts regarding the other items in your post:

• Several folks who know this area a lot better than me spent a good amount of time developing the proposal. And so sooner or later it needs to go up for an RFC rather than dying under it's own weight like many discussions do. I think that it pretty clear that people would be open to tweaking it/ modifying it. IMO such a two-step process is probably even the best way to move forward. Get something reasonable in place and then have a separate conversation on where it needs changes. Or maybe it will go fine as currently written.
• Regarding "how NPP plans to patrol articles on animal species", I don't think that there is an overall plan. Speaking for myself, I'll need to learn / get fluency on that area to evaluate that sourcing. I'm guessing that once I do, patrolling one of those will be 20 times easier than the kinds of situations that we are already dealing with. Like in gng-dependent sports articles where the standard is technically GNG but in practice it isn't.
• After the (presumed positive) close, if you have an idea on a change to improve it, I'd be happy to work on it with you and support it.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, the issue as I see it is that the proposal claims that it's impossible to have a valid name without reputable academic sources when this is flatly false for millions of species. Before this proposal, you could dismiss self-published sources via WP:V; but if this passes we now have a guideline explicitly endorsing creation of articles based only on one self-published source. You could argue that WP:V overrides this, but then we're already actively flouting WP:PRIMARY so why should we expect people to observe the one policy but not the other?

The point I was trying to make with the last sentence is that even if someone is trying to avoid self-published sources (even though they would satisfy the guideline), they may assume that the content in a database is RS and secondary when actually it isn't. I showed that mollusks have essentially zero oversight in the mollusk database -- some species get "valid name" status immediately on publication of the primary discovery paper because the author is also a curator for the database, and some species still get this status automatically despite being self-published by someone known to be a taxonomic vandal. We likely have hundreds (maybe thousands? we'd need @BilledMammal to query this) of articles sourced only to this database (or that plus the primary source) that have had no documented secondary evaluation at all and yet would be impossible to delete with this guideline in place. JoelleJay (talk) 22:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@JoelleJay: Starting with the caveat that you have more expertise than me on this.... Let's be pragmatic on this. Positing that it passes, is there a recommended change that you would make? Or let's discuss to potentially develop one. North8000 (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I detailed some changes that should happen in a reply somewhere in that discussion. JoelleJay (talk) 23:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 14:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, North8000,

I was looking into the situation of a blocked editor after seeing one of their drafts, see User talk:ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ and noticed that you posted over 30 messages to their User talk page after they were blocked, encouraging them on their editing. While well-intentioned, this seems excessive to me. I'm not sure if these notifications happen automatically or whether you chose to post 30+ talk page messages but I think you should limit the messages to 2 or 3 per day or it easily could be overwhelming especially when it is the exact same message each time. I can see that perhaps you didn't know that the editor was blocked and couldn't respond but it's still just a helluva a lot of messages to an editor on the same day.

If this is editing behavior that you no longer do, then just ignore this message but I saw this flood of messages (and I've seen it on other user talk pages) and just thought I'd comment. But thanks to you for the encouragement you deliver, I just think you could dial it back a little. I hope you are having a great weekend. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Liz: Thanks for the post. I usually like to leave a quick nice note after a NPP review. That was sort of an freak occurrence, (being many reviews of articles by the same person at the same time ). With trying to help on the huge NPP backlog, I usually don't take any extra time to look into the editor or even notice the editor's name. But for the reasons I noted, it's no biggee and easy to do to avoid those unusual occurrences. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 18:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 20:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Wondering if you minded creating a shortcut to this for easier reference. I didn't want to do it myself since you spent all the work creating it (which I thank you for by the way). CNMall41 (talk) 19:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@CNMall41: Thanks. Where would you like me to create the shortcut? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I can also help make such a shortcut if you let me know what you want it to be called and where you want it to go to and from? Iljhgtn (talk) 15:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I think maybe a shortcut from WP:COIER or WP:COIREQUEST to that page would suffice. I found it useful yesterday and plan to use it a bit more so though a shortcut would make it easier. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Both done. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Perfect. Thank you. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. Iljhgtn (talk) 21:43, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, North8000,

Please look at User talk:RandomMe98. You posted over 100 notices on this editor's talk page. It's overwhelming just looking at the page, I can't imagine being the editor. It's fine to send an encouraging note or two but do not plaster editor's user talk page with dozens and dozens of notifications. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:39, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

That one was an anomaly. I just post something postive when passing a NPP review. Sometimes just a thanks for their work and sometimes with a suggestion for improvement. That one had both types (plus a third type...an AFD notice) and I was trying to help put a dent in the > 13,000 + article backlog by reviewing a whole bunch of similar articles. North8000 (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Hey North8000, I just created a page on a biotechnologist based in Jamaica couple of days ago (M. H. Ahmad). Could you please have a look and give your remarks. Warm regards. It’d be great if you could review it. Hamza A. Durrani (talk) 14:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Hamza A. Durrani: It's a well written article, particularly/given for one which does not have GNG type sources. The article content does look like routine resume/CV material for an academic. I don't see any sources which would qualify for meeting wp:notability under WP:GNG. I'm guessing that he/the article would meet wp:notability under the Special Notability Guideline for Academics but I don't currently do reviews that require that because I haven't yet acquired the expertise / got fluent with that special guideline. Happy editing!!! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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Okay, okay, I get it. The amount of notification bells you're sending me is going to cause me to have an heart attack. I thought I was sent to ANI for some reason (this happened to me before!), pinged several times while I was asleep, then blocked. Jesus christ.... ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@AlphaBetaGamma: Thanks for your work. Certainly nothing "ANI" related. I did four posts on articles which you created which a copy went to your talk page on. Three were a heads up on three train station articles which are unlikely to meet wp:notability criteria on. The fourth was on a train station article which IMO was an edge case and I marked as reviewed. On all 4 I made the suggestion on a way forward to up-merge or cover them on an article which is on the overall rail line. Either way, happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

(I'm aware WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is a thing) I've been confused on what to do on train station articles which could just be sent to the railway line article and be called a day, because in the end I'd be yelled at when the massive infobox in the "Stations" section that would be placed if I merged everything and converted the train stations articles into redirects surpasses the rest of the article.

The WP:N issue exists with thousands of TRAINSTATION articles, even if you limit the scope to trains in Japan. Of course, some articles have been BLAR'd by some editors, but that's merely a fraction considering some can be improved to prove their point of having an article. (ex. Kominato Station. Of course, not every articles have the history to be expanded up to GA, but older stations and newly built stations are usually easier to cover and cite and expand) Because merging literally every station articles is a move that destroys dozens of potentials of GAs and even FAs, (although, there aren't any FAs in the scope of WPTIJ, you can find plenty of GAs in jawiki related to trains) I've hesitated to do the "just mention it in the railway line article, this doesn't meet GNG!" move that everyone does (and should be doing).

Considering that WP:TIJ is barely managing to do its work with the small fraction of the former members, a major change of mass BLARing articles with insurmountable WP:GNG issues and expanding stubs that can be covered and expanded to the point people won't question their notability anymore is impossible.

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@AlphaBetaGamma: Thanks for the post. Well, we both said our things. Rather than discuss those many angles, I'll just limit myself to two notes which might be useful: IMO it's not necessary (or even advisable) to list all of the stations in the info box of an article on the line. IMO it would be best to give each station a small subsection in the body of the article (or a row in a table) which would have the factoids that the text is derived from and the image. The other is that the issue of wp:notability (on these) isn't one of unexpanded articles, it's a matter of having a couple sources which cover the topic of the article in depth. The existence of these determines whether it is build-able into an enclyclopedia article vs where there are just some factoids in sources which the editor expands into sentences. Whether or not that building of the article has already occurred is not the question, except that it can be an indicator of whether or not the GNG sources have been found. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Dear North8000, thank you very much for your checking Stano Bubán's page. I really appreciate your work...

I would like to consult with you:

Admin Reconrabbit added tags to the page using Page Curation (orphan). Even though I studied the issue of "orphan" pages, I did not understand what I should change or redesign on the Stano Bubán's page to remove this bar. Please, could you advise me, what exactly I should do? After all, the page has links to other internal pages of Wikipedia. For example, at the Academy of Fine Arts in Bratislava, Academy of Fine Arts, Prague, Velvet Revolution, Slovak National Gallery, etc. Should I add more links to other pages from Wikipedia?

I wish you a nice Christmas time... JoshuaHeri (talk) 10:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Dear North8000, thank you for your help... JoshuaHeri (talk) 13:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello @JoshuaHeri:,

Thanks for the post. ((As an aside, Reconrabbit isn't an admin.) If you want to remove the reason for that tag, find an article elsewhere) where it is appropriate to) create an internal link to the Stano Bubán page and create that link. It's not specifically a problem to not have those links so IMO another approach might be to consider it to be providing some info and say "Thanks for the info" and remove the tag. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hi North8000. Belated New Year Greetings for 2025. Thanks for reviewing this article. Gardenkur (talk) 12:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi North8000. Sorry for belated reply and thanks for reviewing this article and sharing your inputs. Will improve in coming days. Gardenkur (talk) 12:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @North8000, I don't appreciate your wholesale revert of my edits on the L. David Mech page. I spent close to an hour proofreading the edits you made, including fixing bare urls and grammatical errors, and you just undid all of it in one click. This is both rude and inappropriate. If you disagree with specific changes I made, please take it up on the talk page instead. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: You did a massive bundle of controversial deletions of good informative material material and sourcing. Including deletion of a 10 page article by Chicago's largest newspaper and all of the cites to it and material citing it on giving the rationale that it is "sub par" Please take specific specific controversial proposed deletions to talk. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 04:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

My further notes are at the article talk page. North8000 (talk) 11:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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Happy new year 2025! We had, pictured on the Main page, on 14 January Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton, and today is Schubert's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for this January music post! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 23:53, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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Draft:Ain Jarfa could now be move to article space, no? cheers,Huldra (talk) 13:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

ok, I moved myself, hope that is ok, Huldra (talk) 15:25, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

@Huldra: It probably still doesn't officially meet WP:NGEO but there's enough there that I woulld not have moved to draft and would have marked as reviewed. If it's not already marked, I'll mark it as reviewed. Hppy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

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Re: Your draftifying many of the Lebanese village-articles made by User:Syrian91: I looked at some of the ones in Sidon District, and many (most) of them were also:

• A. noted in Localiban,
• B. have articles in 3 or more other wikipedia languages,
  

As such, I would argue they are notable. Now, I agree that that User:Syrian91 incommunicado hasn't helped, but would you consider "un-dratifying" those articles? cheers, Huldra (talk) 08:19, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

@Huldra: I think that my own standard for wp:NGeo is more lenient than a thorough interpretation of NGeo which in turn is more wp:NGeo lenient than GNG. The above Ain Jarfa exchange I think illustrates this. I think that the two relevant possibilities are:

• Historically recognized with a real identity as an inhabited place.
• If based solely on modern times, a true village/city/municipality. Not just a neighborhood or subdivision, and not just a specialized tract/district such as an electoral or census tract.

If the article contains some sourcing and content developed from that sourcing that establishes the above, I'd be in favor of it existing as a separate article. If someone identifies any specific one(s) as such and points them out I'd be happy to review and move and also mark as NPP reviewed. Of course you can also move them although I would recommend expanding sourcing and content at least a bit before doing that. Others have also expressed concerns about those. Happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:50, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Then can we agree that the villages which also are mentioned in Localiban should be kept? They are the "official municipalities" of Lebanon. All are mentioned here.

I have been trying (for years!) to "map" the places which Victor Guérin visited in the 19th century, published in 7 books, now freely available online, see User:Huldra/Guerin. I had basically put the Lebanese-part on hold, as too few places had their own articles. These village -stubs makes it a lot easier for me to map his path, Huldra (talk) 18:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

My previous post describes my current thoughts.Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:27, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

What exactly is Localiban? And why does your link to it need wayback? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:27, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Well, as you might know: the economy of Lebanon has been in a complete melt-down these last few years, and I assume paying for web-sites isn't a priority, Huldra (talk) 19:42, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 17:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 01:31, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

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Hi North8000. We are working again on a project for NPP which exists practically all but the scripts and js tooltips. It will not only much reduce the number of new articles to review but it will also greatly reduce the blowback reviewers get. Please take a moment to have a look and let me know what you think and if you would be interested in the workshopping. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:56, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kudpung: |Thanks for the post and for the flattery of inviting me. Usually by the time I "write" I've pretty worked it out in my brain. Your project is so huge and broad (considering all of the possibilities that it has to cover and "make simple") I sure don't have that. But I'm happy to try to help. BTW two of the three most common forms of blowback I see are claims that I was too lenient or too strict. After thousands of articles I sort of go by when the community as a whole does, and if I'm hearing both that probably means I'm in the middle. The other one is most common is complaining/ questioning at AFD about having done (an impossibly huge) wp:before. Usually by someone who who says "coverage exists" but doesn't come up with any, and notably says "coverage" instead of "GNG coverage". But note that all three are someone who has already decided that it should be deleted/kept and is using the critiquing to pursue that goal. I was going to say that I don't see how your project could help that but one big way is to establish that finding and putting in suitable wp:notability sources for GNG-dependent articles is job one of creating an article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:00, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Are you sure you were looking at the right project? I don't mean the thread I started at WT:NPR. I meant this one. Something quite simple in concept and which is almost complete. It doesn't change anything in the way we work at NPP. It makes it much easier though because it will reduce the pages in the feed by anything up to 40% and give the reviewers an easier and more rewarding task. I want to get an online meeting together of those who will be the workshoping team. That's where you will be most valuable - only if you want to be on the work group. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:46, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kudpung: That's the one I was looking at although with just a 5 minute look it could be that I totally misunderstood. Or that my comment wandered too far off topic. The on-topic portion of my comment was that in "new editor guidance for new articles" is a good opportunity to emphasize that finding and including any needed GNG sources is an essential part of creating a new article. North8000 (talk) 14:48, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

[f]inding and including any needed GNG sources is an essential part of creating a new article. It does all that and much more. It's its fundamental objective and in doing so it will significantly reduce the burden of decision making on NPPers. It's a very simple concept and easy in the making (much of it is done already), but your ideas will be an essential contribution to the content of some of the linked pages that will summarise in a few words the walls of text of PAGs which new users will ignore (every freshy of Communication studies knows this). I am familiar with them only because I've been around on Wiki for nearly 20 years with my main focus on NPP. DYK that our notability guidelines are 44,035 words (up to 5 hours reading time) and that there are a further 113 essays on the subject? But you'll need to take about 15 minutes to read the two pages to cover the essentials of the project. You'll then understand that rather than huge and broad, it is actually tight and concise. Bear with me, once we can discuss it in a voice meeting you'll see how it's just right up your street. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:36, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I'm still not sure you went to the right pages. I don't see a comment from you on the talk. We're just in the early stage of getting the project back on the road following my Wikileave. Please let me know if your are interested - your insights will be valuable. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Thanks for the post. I said "huge and broad" because of the wide range of scenarios that it need to handle, and also it has to handle interactions with policies and guidelines, particularly the big fuzzy ecosystem of wp:notability. I sort of ration out my available Wiki minutes and to be honest I don't think that this is one of the most effective ways to tackle the NPP backlog and so I don't see myself as a major contributor to this big project. But I be happy to volunteer to help a bit and give my 2 cents. I'll post a shorter version of this at the talk page. Thanks again. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:27, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Barr Theo is currently in the middle of a "streak of creations", so he asked me to ask you to pull off another January 9th, when you reviewed several of his pages in a short period of time. But this time try to not flood his talk page. Thank you. 89.214.121.88 (talk) 00:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

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Hello. Sorry for taking so long to reply. I was on the middle of a “insane streak of creations” (March edition).

You are hella confusing. On 7 March, I had my colleague ask you to review my pages just for you to refuse, and you even told me that you didn't “plan to do anything” about them, but then three weeks later, you changed your mind and decided to review everything. Not to mention that you once again flooded my talk page even though my colleague specifically told you not to do so on 7 March.

Anyways, have you ever heard of recency bias? Around 98% of my articles are about subjects which were clearly notable in their time, but who are not covered by modern media because of recency bias. So yeah, you don’t need to worry about wp:notability in my articles.

I will even quote you a phrase from the renowned present-day Wikipedia reviewer JTtheOG: “While I think one should always strive to find the best sourcing available, I also think it's important to cover subjects which normally don't have a light shone on them”. So yeah, feel free to review all of my pages.

Kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 02:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Barr Theo: I thought you would be happy. I passed a large amount of your articles and didn't AFD or PROD any and didn't tag any except for maybe 1 or 2. Despite them technically not meeting the wp:notability requirement. In this case wp:notability is about in-depth coverage in some sources, not real-world notability. And JTtheOG has been more strict than me, tagging many of your articles for lack of GNG sources and not marking them as reviewed. I don't agree with this post of yours or your rationale, argument and complaints. But you are doing a large amount of excellent work and was happy to mark those articles as reviewed and am happy that you are doing that work. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:41, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

And you can clear my posts from your user page in about 30 seconds.  :-) North8000 (talk) 11:42, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Barr Theo: One more note, if you prefer that I don't do the NPP review on any more of your articles, just say so and I won't. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m extremely happy. I just got a little bit triggered about my talk page getting flooded again. I don’t mind the NPP reviews when they are constructive, like “more in-depth coverage would solidify” or “an image would be a nice addition”... But when they are just empty and flat, like those repeated series of “nice works” and “good starts”, I dispense.

Thank you once again for your leeway and kind regards. Barr Theo (talk) 23:09, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Barr Theo: Thanks and good point. My normal MO can be a bit whacky when I do a bunch of reviews at once for the same editor. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:15, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hi North8000.Hope you are keeping well. Thanks for reviewing Digital arrest scam this article. Few months I was away on personal work, so could not acknowledge. Nice to work with you.Gardenkur (talk) 12:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi North8000.Hope you are keeping well. Thanks for reviewing Naropa Festival: The Kumbh of the Himalayas . Few months I was away on personal work, so could not acknowledge. Nice to work with you.Gardenkur (talk) 13:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi North8000.Hope you are keeping well. Thanks for reviewing 2016 Ujjain Simhastha . Few months I was away on personal work, so could not acknowledge. Nice to work with you.Gardenkur (talk) 13:36, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! North8000 (talk) 01:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hello! Hope you're well! Kindly review Albinism in Malawi Your expert input is welcome. Regards Paxromana69 (talk) 17:39, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

@Paxromana69: I don't normally respond to NPP review requests but that one is really solid and non-promotional and I was happy to. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

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I noticed that you provided a comment on the Jung Lea article in October 2024. I would appreciate it if you could share your current commentary on the article. Your input would be most helpful. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 08:56, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

There is an open RfC which I helped organize at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Newspapers/Notability#Request_for_comment:_Notability_guideline_for_newspapers which got comment March-April. You were the only opposition. Part of the reason was that the proposed guideline was too narrow. I am not going to move fast on anything - maybe months more - but I wanted to check in on if and where we have agreement to broaden this. You said that there should be a guideline for media notability. There are already several guidelines similar to media cited in that news RfC. Beyond that, the general guidelines which I would really prefer is something like Wikipedia:Notability of reliable sources, where if a media source is good enough to cite in Wikipedia, then we deem it good enough for notability, with some line probably beyond one citation but still possibly with zero reliable third-party sources to cite. Are you able to concisely say what you have in mind for a broader media notability guideline? Do you do voice or video chat, or is remaining on wiki best for you? Thanks. Bluerasberry (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: My opposition started out mild and then went to milder/ near-neutral on the question. My comment was a general one.....with the proposal being a good idea but too narrow for it's one SNG, that the answer would be a broader media SNG. So I'm open to lots of different ideas.

I do think that there are several structural problems in your "You said that...." paragraph above, but I don't think that there is a need to get into that.

Thanks again. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, North8000. The last time we spoke I was known as Barr Theo.

Two months ago, on 31 March, you reviewed A LOT of my articles; for instance, between 15:33 and 15:59, you reviewed a total of 37 articles. That is, 37 articles in just 26 minutes, which results in an average of 45 seconds per review, which means that you might have made some mistakes. And in fact, you did.

@Sirfurboy: pointed out one of them at Talk:Carlos Ibáñez (Spanish footballer). Likewise, I think that some of your comments on "edge case regarding wp:notability" were a little bit harsh, but perhaps I'm wrong.

• Alfred Compeyrat: This secondary source treats him in depth as a historical subject, notable because he is a French international, so it meets GNG, right?

• Albert Caillet: Three paragraphs about the subject in a newspaper, how is this not SIGCOV from a secondary source?

• Alejandro Acha: This secondary source mentions the subject three times, so it's "beyond just a mere trivial mention", right?

• Francisco Guzmán (shot putter): North8000's review was made before the page was expanded by Habst

• Manuel Garriga (Spanish footballer): This is SIGCOV from a secondary source, right?

• Solco Tromp: This secondary source treats him in depth, so it meets GNG, right?

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See below for a general overview. Regarding the above (including your refactoring after I read it to write the below), note that the only articles which I reviewed quickly were the ones that I passed, and they all looked very similar in that respect. There is a confusing range of situations in your list above, including listing ones that I passed as a "mistake" while your argument is obviously that they should be passed. Sincerely,

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After your latest reply acknowledged WikiProject Roots music as "somewhat inactive", I started investigating its recent activity. Other than our exchanges this week, its Talk page hasn't been used for any discussion between participants this year. Its revision history also shows no significant changes to the project page since last year. As a project participant, would you change the project's status to inactive?

I suggest that's the first step to figure out if there really needs to be three music projects with overlapping scopes and if there's enough participants to actively maintain these projects. As my topics in the Talk page illustrate, the substantial overlap is confusing to determine which project should be interested in which orphaned article. I believe that former participants of all three projects shared some confusion about the overlapping scopes between the projects, because I see duplicated topics have been cross-posted by the same participant across more than one project's Talk archive. rootsmusic (talk) 03:05, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

I think it would be good to merge. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:03, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 18:06, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi there,

just saw that you responded to the RFC for the circumcision article. Just wanted to check in real quick to hear if you've seen my response to you on the talk page. You said you'd oppose the RFC because it would be too broad and give carte blanche, but right now, there is a specific proposal on the table. That was discussed later in the section, so maybe you didn't see it. I would appreciate if you could have a look at it and see if you still oppose the RFC. Kind regards Chaptagai (talk) 19:07, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi North8000,

as you have changed your verdict on the RFC, would it be ok for you if I unbold your earlier "oppose" verdict and bold your new "support" verdict for easier recognition of your stance by readers? Kind regards Chaptagai (talk) 11:47, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

@Chaptagai: My position on the RFC question has not changed. My newer comment was about a specific idea in a post, not the RFC question. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

You did it without my OK and were reverted. Do not modify other people's talk page comments. North8000 (talk) 13:30, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Ok, sorry for that, I thought you wouldn't mind it. So as I understand you, you do support the proposal I made to revise the article, so if that's your position, currently with the "oppose" in bold, it looks to readers like you oppose it. That's why I thought maybe bolding the word "support" would be a good thing so your position doesn't get misunderstood. Chaptagai (talk) 13:40, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

@Chaptagai: Please note that there is no RFC for the revised proposal. North8000 (talk) 13:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Is that a problem? Do you think we should terminate the old one and launch a new one for the proposed version? Chaptagai (talk) 17:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

That's probably the best way. North8000 (talk) 14:57, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

I reverted your deletion, although of course you're welcome to tighten the wording up and maybe trim the quotes. This is one of the very few actual scholarly books about the Fitz and I think has a place there. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

@Orangemike: Thanks for the post. Someone else removed it and instead listed the book as further reading. If the book has substantial content about the Fitz, then I think it would be a good source for the article. But content that you put in really isn't about the Fitz. It's about the author's views on the decline of American industry and shipping. And promotional type wording about the book. At best it says that the Fitz illustrates their theory, and at worst they might be using the popularity of the Fitz to gain publicity for their theory or book. Again, I'm only going by the content that you put in, I don't know what's in the book. If it has substantial content about the Fitz, I'd be happy to buy and read the book. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 01:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

It's not officially released yet, but the reviews I've seen specifically mention new interviews with families of the crew and insights derived from the authors' study of company and industry policies and behavior. I have advised the boss at the bookstore where I work part time that we should carry a couple of copies. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Orangemike: Thanks. I'm going to buy and read it as soon as it's available. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:37, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

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You may want to add your candidate statement, right now it's just the placeholder text. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Thanks. I noticed that after I had written the answer to the questions and integrated much of that into those answer. Now I need to noodle on it bit to figure how to answer. Sincerely,

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Hello North8000, just my two cents. Q3 asked Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past. I was surprised to see that you did not mention your 2014-2016 siteban. Long in the past, yes. But still important to discuss, I personally think. Perhaps you simply missed it. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:00, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Starship.paint: Thanks for the post. I would avoid being disingenuous and would call it a malfunction of the system / someone able to make it do that. Which would then take a very long post to credibly say that and get into it. I could do that if asked but it would be lengthy write-up about something that was 11 years ago. North8000 (talk) 16:28, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi North8000. I've got to be honest and say that even if it is not in response to that particular question, you're going to have to address this somewhere. In an RFA you can expect someone to raise the length of time in your defence, but in AELECT people vote without discussion, and a magnanimous spirit is less likely to prevail there just by itself. I think we generally agree on topics like GEOLAND and so I was happy to see you putting yourself forward, but I was also unaware of the previous siteban and TBan until I came here to congratulate you on putting yourself forward. I would not simply hope that this issue is not brought up: it is sure to be, and even if it isn't raised on WP, it will be raised off-Wiki. FOARP (talk) 21:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

North8000, if it would take a long post, I think you should start (as soon as possible) writing that on a user subpage and link to it in your Q3 answer. By not mentioning the elephant in the room, it’s very possible that voters would see it as a lack of candor. starship.paint (talk / cont) 23:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Starship.paint: @FOARP: BTW, I don't see it as an omission for Q3 because it wasn't that type of thing. That epic and astounding mis-fire (I never did anything that merited even a 1 day block) was a combination of about 7 factors but a major one was a very nasty and clever editor using it as a weaponization in a content dispute. Any thorough description would need to include describing that role (11 years ago) I was so disgusted that that result could happen in Wikipedia that I decided to never come back but eventually changed my mind. That experience and understanding the wiki-realities was immensely impactful on me including on my current approach and vigilance. I did describe the latter somewhat thoroughly in my answers to the standard questions (note about trying to keep it from happening to other editors) . BTW I will be off the grid for 3 days. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your response North8000. I wish you good luck in the elections. starship.paint (talk / cont) 00:01, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to see this turned out the way we warned it might. I actually think you might do better with an RFA than AELECT. In RFA it's a lot easier just to point out that things that were a long time ago aren't relevant. In AELECT there's apparently circa ~90 people who are just voting down nearly all the candidates, and it doesn't take much for others to join them. FOARP (talk) 17:09, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

@FOARP: Thanks. I think that a more thorough venue would be better, but right now I have no plans to go through that. I was willing and able to help in that area. I'll probably be shifting where I spend my time but still contribute some to Wikipedia. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:32, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

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I have a few questions however. Historyguy1138 (talk) 14:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

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Hello North8000, I hope you’re doing well! I’m seeking your assistance with restoring valuable content from several previously deleted articles that were already mentioned in the Bahahuddin Nadwi talk page. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 14:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Not sure what this about. I'm not familiar with the subject and don't have access to deleted articles. North8000 (talk) 16:28, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

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