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If^[1] you are here to promote pseudoscience, extremism, fundamentalism or conspiracy theories, we're not interested in what you have to say. Tgeorgescu (talk) 28 October 2020 14:20:56 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Ronald Reagan, you may be blocked from editing. Sundayclose (talk) 16:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sundayclose: I've been busy otherwise I would have addressed this sooner. I trust this placed here in good faith however I am honestly not sure why you had this reaction. The first edit, re Stahl's input was not unsourced by any interpretation, the source was there and as her own book, a primary source for her state of mind, adding that she claimed she came close to making that report was not disruptive but a responsible or if anything a rather mild edit. Further such a report is not assumed to have been run without further verification of the situation by CBS News in 1986. My other edit was a sentence better clearly conveyed content that was fully sourced/already there. To avoid duplicate source listing in a single citation, I did not include all of these as they were present in work from other editors starting in the sentence that immediately followed. The call of the article was switching from lay opinions to medical ones and on a medical issue. I do not believe you had any mal intent here and I remain open to the fact I may be incorrect in one or more ways here. Still, I have re-added both these edits. With re to the latter I re-wrote and added content and included not only additional sources but several others already present and placed them all with the opening sentence. OgamD218 (talk) 10:10, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Sundayclose I'm always open to constructive input, but if you're not going to respond, please revert your message from my talk page.OgamD218 (talk) 11:11, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

My apologies for not responding sooner. For some reason I never got your first ping. I looked at my edit and must admit I don't know why I reverted you. I have to assume I misread, or perhaps thought I was reverting another edit. I have stricken my warning. Please accept my apologies. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 16:06, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Sundayclose No worries OgamD218 (talk) 17:22, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey there, could you self-revert this edit? There were two instances of describing that Donald Trump had been banned from social media platforms, and I removed one of them, which was in a note. The note is redundant as it is described in the prose of the paragraph. Thanks. Onetwothreeip (talk) 06:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure OgamD218 (talk) 07:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Please don't take it personally if I revert any of your content, I think we both want to improve the article. Onetwothreeip (talk) 08:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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Hello. I appreciate your edits to the Andrew Jackson article. I looked over them all. Some of them were helpful. Just please remember that because all content on Wikipedia must be sourced, you must ensure before adding any content that it is included in the sources already in the article. If it is not, you must add a new source. Also, please note, especially for articles such as the one about Jackson that are about major topics and are rather long, that not all information relevant to the topic being discussed is relevant enough to the subject of the article to merit inclusion. Thank you. Display name 99 (talk) 02:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I believe you may have misunderstood my edit at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Woodrow_Wilson&diff=prev&oldid=1062157468 for which I said, "UPS is not a government department". You responded in your edit summary, "until 1971 it was", which means that you were thinking of the postal reorganization of 1971 but missed the fact that "UPS" is not the correct initials of the former government department (United States Post Office Department) nor the current independent agency (United States Postal Service). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:03, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@Metropolitan90: Yes, I made a point of linking of the contemporary department so as to help clarify. I agree with your decision however that it just makes more sense to link AND spell it out-(I changed it slightly to:) "Postal Service."OgamD218 (talk) 19:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with that, too. We have separate articles about the United States Post Office Department (until 1971) and the United States Postal Service (since 1971). While I don't want to cavil about casual usages, if we are referring to the government department or independent agency in a short form, "Post Office" should be used for pre-1971 events and "Postal Service" for post-1971 events. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Metropolitan90: Interesting point. I'm inclined to view the difference, at least in this specific context (the Wilson Administration's segregation policy) as semantics-right or wrong I mean no offense, I hate how hard it is to avoid being misunderstood through internet posts. The link is to the correct incarnation of the post office/department. I think we may also be interpreting the circumstances differently though. My lay understanding is the USPS is a govt corp but not an independent corp (the difference once again arguably being semantics). The particulars of the organization charged with delivery of the US mail by the federal govt (getting hard to find a neutral title lol) has always changed with the times (prior to the 1870s it was not "the Post Office Department") while remaining the same institution at its core more or less-becoming/seizing to be a Cabinet level dept probably had not affect on the life of the average mailperson. Is "post office" the a recognized or prefered title of the 1870-1971 institution? OgamD218 (talk) 23:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, I am not that concerned with how this entity was organized in any of these eras, but we can agree that it did change its organizational status and name in 1971. So I understand your question to be, is "the Post Office" a good way to refer to the United States Post Office Department that existed from 1870 to 1971? I think so. I went looking for examples from that era of articles that refer to the "Post Office Department" and in the same article call it the "Post Office", and I found several good examples. See Life, UPI, Popular Photography, Kiplinger's Personal Finance, American Bar Association Journal, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:39, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

@Metropolitan90: I don't think a serious risk of confusion exists and it is clear you've done your due diligence tracking this issue so I would not object if you went ahead with the edit. OgamD218 (talk) 06:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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Did those edits really changed much? It was mostly copy editing and of wikilinks, e.g. avoid piped links like [[1912 United States presidential election|1912 presidential election]]. It cannot possibily an issue of lenghtening, since in the very next section of the lead we say "1912 United States presidential election", without any linking, so what I did was simply using as link the full article's name before to avoid PIPED, and use "1912 presidential election" later on without the link. Same thing with adding U.S. to elections, just to make more clear that we're indeed linking to the geographically relevant link and not a general link. Other edits included [[Southern United States|American South]] ---> [[American South]], which saves some space and is a redirect. Another edit was avoiding having two links after another (OVERLINKING), e.g. [[History of the Republican Party (United States)|Republican]] [[William Howard Taft]], and I linked "Republican[s]" in the lead at the next best occasion. Other linking issues were "[[tariff|pro-tariff]]" and "[[Herald-Star|''The Western Herald and Gazette'']]", which I respectively changed to "pro-[[tariff]]<nowiki>" and "<nowiki>"[[The Western Herald and Gazette]]''". I also fixed a ref name ":0" to the author's name "O'Toole 2018". I felt that those were further improvements and in line with our policies, and geneally very minor edits (the only actual wording change was "but instead Republicans" to "and Republicans") so do you still feel the need to revert everything? Davide King (talk) 10:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I notice you have twice reverted my edits to this page. I presume you didn't read the explanation of the edit so I'm contacting you directly. The sentence in question appears twice in the article, word-for-word and with the same citation. There is no justification for this. Of the two instances, I retained the one that seemed in a more natural place. I hope that makes sense. Patrick Neylan (talk) 18:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay and sorry for the reversion. On more close consideration I find that I agree with your edit in this regards. I would self-revert but I see another editor already restored your edit. Thank you for being diplomatic along the way. OgamD218 (talk) 07:55, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm CorbieVreccan. I noticed that you recently removed content from Indigenous peoples without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can discuss it on article talk. Marking your content removals as simply "ce" wasn't really accurate, as the compression cut a significant amount, which in places shifted the POV. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 22:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@CorbieVreccan:, thank you for bringing this to my attention, and I apologize for my mistake. While my edits in question were for a number of different reasons, I opted to simply explain them with "ce" as a means of assuming good faith and being non-confrontational/needlessly offensive to whoever made them in the first place. I do apologize of the editor behind the content I revise was you however I presume that unlikely given your experience on wiki. First and foremost, most of the content I deleted I did so because it was unambiguously false, and gave the impression of having been generated by an new editor who lacked competency in the field. Examples of such include:

1. Describing Columbus as "hired" by the Spanish monarchs, who "dispatched" him in 1492. Columbus was an Genoese subject and free sailor who was shopping the royal courts of Europe pitching his theory of reaching the Asia, eager to not be beaten to it he intended to leave immediately upon finding a sponsor for his expedition. Anxious of losing our if he succeeded, the Spanish monarchs famously contracted with Columbus to be his patrons/sponsor and split the profits of his expedition. Though the situation of course evolved, their intent was profitable trade, the spread christianity via doctrine of discovery had nothing at all to do with origins of the Columbus' journey.

2. Columbus "discovered" a few islands in the Caribbean as early as 1493, and Ferdinand and Isabella immediately asked the pope to "ratify" the discovery, this is plain ignorance. Columbus did not reach "a few" islands "as early as 1493", though not monumental in detail, for an encyclopedia to contain such an error-especially this specific page, is embarrassing. Further, though papal bulls did give special rights to the Spanish, it is well known that it was initially believed that Columbus landed in Asia; accordingly nothing in 1493 actually touched on the doctrine of discovery pertaining to indigenous peoples.

The tying in of this topic with what are very much oversimplified descriptions of a handful of papal edicts spread out over a millennium violates NPOV/OR and at certain points utilizes editorializations based on pure fiction.

3. The beginnings of European colonialism in the "New World" effectively formalized the Doctrine of Discovery into international law, which at that time meant law that was agreed upon by Spain, Portugal, and the Catholic Church. Whether this was "presumed in good faith" or simply made up by the editor idk but it is ahistorical. The fact they were revised and in large part revoked shortly thereafter aside-Papal Bulls are not Dogma, with regards to the worldwide church these were persuasive not controlling. As a matter of historical fact, it is a settled fact they were completely rejected as international law-even by other Catholic kingdoms (notably France) and protestant states making their own claims based on independent Charters.^[1]

4. Indigenous peoples were not consulted or included in these arrangements, I removed this bc it is a non-encyclopedic and unnecessary editorialization. The entire topic of the passage is that Indigenous peoples WERE being included but also not consulted.

5. The other content, that contained above 1-4 is much more serious NPOV and gets into more contentious subjects while at the same time making similar though potentially less innocent errors. The throw away unexplained or contextualized reference to 5th Century theology is hard to discern is not historical truth. The Crusades (1096-1271) built on this ambition of a holy war against those whom the church saw as infidels. Pope Innocent IV's writings from 1240 were particularly influential..... This not at all true, Church teaching on the crusades at their initiation in 1096 was inspired as a means to aid the Byzantine Empire (which wasn't even Catholic) and Christians in the east perceived as being under attack by Muslim conquerors. The term "infidel" was not even in wide use at the time mentioned displaying either ignorance or bias and the underlying motivations for the Crusades had nothing to do with this belief in a christian right to subjugate non-christians on the word of the church. The reference to Innocent IV is extremely ahistorical as his cited edicts represented a major break from those of past Popes and cannot be tied in with them-further they were also rejected by most European states just not Spain and Portugal (at least nominally).

I hope this clears up your very valid issue with my edits on this topic/being explained via "ce". I apologize again for this oversight but hope you at least understand where I was coming from-my hope was to avoid confrontation over (what I still assume to be good faith) mistakes on such topics as religious wars/teachings and the subjugation of Indigenous peoples. OgamD218 (talk) 10:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Put this on article talk. I'm going to look over your more recent edits. While some parts of what you did are acceptable, two of us have reverted you and it gives the impression you are involved in an edit war. I haven't decided yet if your recent reverts should stand. Discuss at article talk. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 17:37, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed that you recently added commentary to an article, Indigenous peoples. While Wikipedia welcomes editors' opinions on an article and how it could be changed, these comments are more appropriate for the article's accompanying talk page. If you post your comments there, other editors working on the same article will notice and respond to them, and your comments will not disrupt the flow of the article. However, keep in mind that even on the talk page of an article, you should limit your discussion to improving the article. Article talk pages are not the place to discuss opinions of the subject of articles, nor are such pages a forum. You can call for citations if needed, but the cn templates are not the place to add commentary or discussion. Use article talk for that. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

@CorbieVreccan: I did not add commentary anywhere. I removed content that was not only uncited (and out of place) but objectively false information. My prior edits you thought lacked sufficient summary/explanation-which was a fair observation in my opinion. However, after I provided a detailed explanation ^ above, restored those edits and made further improvements to the same page, this time always giving clear specific explanations in the edit summary, another editor reverted them all with the mere explanation “not improvement”-I did not see any objection raised by you to this editor however despite the fact their edit summary would not logically meet the same standards you expected of me. However this certainly did not go unnoticed by you.......your interpretation of the other editor's reversion was to insinuate that I was somehow editor warring………… I did not add commentary, I was noting that it is a matter of historical and scientific fact that the uncited content you seem to be guarding is false. OgamD218 (talk) 02:52, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

I have added this diff to the warning above:where you added commentary in the citation needed tags, breaking the format, and introducing unsourced opinion into article space. Another editor fixed the citation format for you, but citation tags are not the place for that sort of commentary, the talk page is. I have not evaluated the content in that section. This is an administrative action on user conduct. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Native American name controversy, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Again you blanked sourced text with an inaccurate, and this time degrading edit summary. Oxford University Press sources the mention of Carlin, who did social commentary, and Mvskoke author is not a comedian. The material is worth including as it's a common misconception. On WP we often include information that people may believe to be true so we can explain why it is not. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

@CorbieVreccan With regards to this issue, please know that I did not mean any offense. It was not at all my intention to be "denigrating" in my edit summary. I apologize if that is how it was taken however. With reference to Carlin, all comedians tend to do social commentary and from a scholarly POV his inclusion may lend less not more legitimacy when weighing inclusion in an encyclopedia article. That being said, this seems to be an area where you're much more experienced and on point that myself and accordingly I will defer to you. On second reflection I see your point regarding the relevance of this section/topic and I will try to take greater caution in the future. Once again, I did not mean anything by my edit summary.

As an aside, Again you blanked sourced text with an inaccurate, and this time degrading edit summary- In order to avoid semantics I won't address accuracy but this is genuinely the only instance where you have addressed the blanking of sourced content by me?

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I guess you meant American Review here instead of "American Journal". Gitz (talk) (contribs) 07:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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Certainly most of the "citation needed" are valid, however a request, could you put them after the punctuation, just as the citations that will fix them would be.Naraht (talk) 01:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Naraht I've seen and done it both ways. I am honestly unaware if any wiki policy applies but I certainly have no objection to your suggestion and will try to follow through accordingly going forward. OgamD218 (talk) 04:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you.Naraht (talk) 04:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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Please don't add your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did in this edit. A lot of the "obvious" things that people add to Wikipedia articles are incorrect. For example, you can't just compare one random number to another and decide that a film was "a commercial success". Cinemas don't donate their portion of ticket prices to the studios – they like money and keep some it for themselves. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree my wording could've been better; I was just trying to preserve as much of the original content as possible. I also don't even object to your changes which did not restore the prior edit/preserve the general substance of mine. However, you picked an oddly aggressive and tbh inaccurate way of addressing things here. I never used the word "obvious" or a term similar so please don't put it in quotes as though I did, I also didn't phrase it "a commercial success", and finally, I did not "compare one random number to another", I used sourced #s from the article, specifically film costs vs returns, far from random indicators of commercial success. For an example of personal analysis and editorializations re-read your own edit summary and message above. OgamD218 (talk) 11:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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This edit caught my attention. The use of "dissuaded" is ungrammatical here; dissuaded is a transitive verb. I would try to fix this, but I would want to look at the cited source, log in and pay for it, etc. I do not know why "discouraged" would be a poor choice, but would like to see your own reasoning about that. Thanks. Bruce leverett (talk) 20:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bruce leverett thank you for posting here, sorry for my delay. While at one point "dissuaded" may have been the better word, years of revised editing have displaced the reasons for this and I agree with you that "discouraged" is the better term. Unless someone else already has, I will self-revert/restore your edit immediately. I am going to search and consider restoring the phrasing from when this article passed GAN at some point. I will notify you before making any changes however, thanks again. OgamD218 (talk) 09:08, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

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