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There is a dispute over levels of formatting documented here and I will be adding information to the article discussion page. I am not sure there is a deadlock because Chatul has not given anyone any chance to comment. If there is a deadlock then I request you revert the article to a "Two levels of formating" version since that is the original version and in such case I believe it is policy to return to the original version. Tom94022 (talk) 21:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The other editor initiated a dialog and essentially blew away^[1] my response, reverting the article rather than rebutting the contents of my response. I take that as a sign that there is a deadlock and that 3rd party comments are appropriate.

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 23:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your offer for help. The respective section was linked in the request, however, as discussion died down and the other user meanwhile retired, I think we can regard this moot. Thank you again, Skäpperöd (talk) 07:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hello! I've read here your statements about the scientific status of biophotonics. I am interested in the subject since we have to deal in the spanish wiki with similar articles . Do you know any reliable source to elucidate the issue (preferably an standard textbook or a paper in a high-quality journal)? Thank you in advance kismalac 09:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Please see your talk page. Redheylin (talk) 10:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello. Please see the first paragraph of Antisemitism; specifically "While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then." Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 21:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I have seen this paragraph, and noticed here and elsewhere a selective quotation of sources - when sources are actually used, that is. Perhaps I shall introduce balancing quotes - from the same articles mainly.Redheylin (talk) 09:01, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

In case you would like to deepen your conception of Stuffism, see Neutral monism and http://stanford.library.usyd.edu.au/archives/win2010/entries/neutral-monism/. Best, Morton Shumway—talk 20:14, 2 April 2011 (UTC).

Do you have any source data for this photo of William McDougall, especially the source. I would like to get it moved to Commons if we can, otherwise update its data here, and anything that you can add would be great. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

It's a long time - I got it from the web but could not find if it was out of copyright. Could have been absoluteastronomy.com but can't be sure - hence the fair use tag. Redheylin (talk) 16:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Well put @ Wiki Guides. Self-Appointed Policemen = S.A.P. A 'sap' is a small palm-sized leather billy club used by some law-enfocement personnel as an added incentive to convince a reluctant citizen to obey instructions.Buster Seven Talk 23:07, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Please respond on Talk:Sharia#Removal_of_Large_amount_of_text. --নাফী ম. সাধ nafSadh^{talk | contribs} 21:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm not too familiar with how category add/removal scripts work here and I believe I may have mistakenly reverted you yesterday. By "subject properly categorised in subcategory of "psychology"" do you mean that since Race and intelligence is in a subcategory of psychology, it should not be in the main psychology category? Thanks, and sorry for any misunderstanding.Boothello (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

That's OK, thanks for the note. I am spending some time moving articles from head-categories like "Psychology" into whatever appropriate subcategories I can find. This is because many articles get thrown into head-categories when there are better places for them. It often turns out that there are other related articles, even duplicates - this does not get noticed because sometimes there can be hundreds of unsorted articles in the top category. However, this article does pretty much have its own home category, though unfortunately it says "controversy" rather than just "race and intelligence" or something - anyhow, I am not saying there are no other places the category and the article can be categorised - it may be worth having a look, and I shall help if I can, but things like "intelligence testing" do appear under the category "Psychology". Please get back to me if I can help you make sure this subject is properly categorised and linked. Redheylin (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

That clears things up, thanks for your reponse. :)Boothello (talk) 21:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

How about expanding the article Chera dynasty? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.118.73.77 (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Greetings, I see you dumped a lot of instruments out of categories I created, such as "Ugandan musical instruments", etc. Where was this matter discussed? I was never contacted regarding seeking any consensus on this issue. Please clue me in as to where this was agreed upon by other folks specialising in the topic, or is this just a personal call? MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I am curious about this, as well (and why you didn't remove Bahraini, Kuwaiti, Omani etc. from Tanbūra). It also seems you are doing the opposite of what you've described earlier on this page ("This is because many articles get thrown into head-categories when there are better places for them"). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Lacking any explanation whatsoever, or evidence of having consulted with any WikiProject, I'm reverting the lot of them. There is some argument to be made that "nation state" classifications of cultural issues have many flaws, but if we remove them entirely there's no way to get from "Burundi" to "this musical instrument used in Burundi". And for some items, like all those in Category:Malagasy musical instruments, these instruments are inarguably inherent to, and largely unique to, Madagascar, so it seems impractical to suddenly define them as "African" vice Malagasy. So reverting all. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

There is some argument to be made that "nation state" classifications of cultural issues have many flaws There certainly is. You write; "if we remove them entirely there's no way to get from "Burundi" to "this musical instrument used in Burundi"". There is - wikilinks and added text. I am sorry for leaving this job half-done for the night. But the converse is also true; if the instrument is used in Rwanda as well as Burundi, then what? If an identical instrument is used by a different language group in the same country with a different name, then what? African instruments simply do not follow national boundaries, the categories are absurdly small and articles not fully or uniformly categorised, many articles are duplicates and one-line unreffd stubs, many dedicated to instruments that simply have a different NAME in that region. Gyro, in answer to your question, I am not touching anything that goes outside sub-saharan Africa, and it is not my intention to leave everything in the head category but to create new categories, "Stringed instruments of Africa", "African lamellophones" etc. and to merge articles in order to achieve something like a comparative study of instrumentation. At present WP:NOTDIC applies to most of these articles, and I am looking in vain for any attempt by anybody to improve these articles in years, so WP:BOLD is the way. I would welcome your help and discussion, though, as Sub-Saharan African music traditions and Rhythm in Sub-Saharan Africa are very demanding pages (that nobody except me has touched in years). To revert without taking the time to look at what you are doing or to improve these categories was a retrograde step - things have simply been made worse again. For example, you have ignored the existence of Category:African drums. You did not check if the categorisation tallied with the lede - instruments classified only under "Kenya" that say "used by such-and-such tribe of Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania". And have you counted how many articles there are on the Mbira? There may be a case for Madagascar, as you say, but remember there's a page Music of Madagascar - these exist for all modern African nation states - but these are also massively misleading as peoples, not frontiers, define African musical styles and instrumentation. There is no attempt yet to cover the Indonesian and European input to Malagasy instrumentation, nor to present an overview of all the Indian Ocean islands. I shall just carry on - please get involved if you want to, otherwise just leave me to it - do not expect me to do a week's work in a night. It has taken weeks to master all the different ethnic groups and language families. Thx. Redheylin (talk) 17:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

FYI and FWIW, I've left a {{pls}} at the Musical Instruments, Ethiopia, and Somalia WikiProjects. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

There is certainly an argument to be made, but my initial concern is that I didn't see this actually discussed with anybody. It'd be one thing to BEBOLD and merge some stubs, etc., it's quite another to dump 50-some articles into a parent cat without any notice to anyone. Not to take it too personally as the person who created the cats, but I initially made them since there were tons of instruments filed under "String instruments" or "free-reed instruments" that had some (semi)-clear relationship to a given nation/area, but were not filed geographically in any way. For example, if the kabosy is filed only as "String instruments", it has no category connection to Madagascar. Yes, recognise that there are wikilinks, but if category is unimportant, why dump them in to the parent cat, and if category is important, why remove the category tree connections between Burundi and an instrument which is played in Burundi?

I have a bunch more ideas along these lines (including ways to, for example, have some ligature of category tree to bring together Indian Ocean musical cultures), but don't want to dump too much into here at one shot. In the short term, can we hold off on re-categorisation until we get some consensus? I have no objections to adding categories, fleshing/merging stubs, etc., but just don't want to remove a huge chunk of a category tree without discussion. Would you mind us moving this whole discussion to WP:WikiProject Musical Instruments to centralise it? MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, OK, please start a thread. Conversely, I understand you using a non-perfect but improving strategy, but things can be further improved (did you ASK if you could start those national categories?!!) Gyro I am using Merriam's musicological categories, which see the Horn of Africa as non-Subsaharan (North Africa) - but improved links are needed across this area because there's no firm line. I'd really appreciate some Hornbostel Sachs classifications.... Redheylin (talk) 19:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Possible error This edit to Category:Somalian musical instruments recategorizes it from East African to North African, but the articles on those respective territories consider Somalia East African. Am I missing something? Please respond on my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:59, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Please see the Merriam ethnomusicological map on Music of Africa and elsewhere, which differs somewhat from geo-political divisions - the music of Cushitic peoples is far closer to Egyptian and Semite traditions than to Sub-Saharan. It would, though, be perfectly OK to start a new Category:Musical instruments of the Horn of Africa if you want. I am on the other side of the divide just now, making sure the SubSaharan music entries all sing the same tune, so to speak. Redheylin (talk) 01:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure It might be the case that in ethnomusicology, it is common to consider Somalia North African—I certainly couldn't speak to that. That having been said, it is at the very least inconsistent and might be odd to see X number of "Somalian foo" categories under "North African foo" and then one that is under "East African foo". For what it's worth, I'm usually inclined to err on the side of consistency, but you may have a compelling reason here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Instrumental Asylum. I am doing some smash and grab articles on some EPs and there are a lot of details (such as how to write a good sentence) that slip past me. I appreciate your help. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, in 1966 (?) I did not pick up a copy of Instrumental Assassinations so will not be doing it. I did, however get 3 Hollies EPS which are next on my list. But first, a heavy dose of real life for a while. Carptrash (talk) 00:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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Sorry about my idiotic reverting of you at Imperial cult (ancient Rome). I had two versions open at once, or something, and got confused between your deletion of the OR material, and the material itself. Cynwolfe (talk) 02:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Further to your edit, I'm not sure why you removed cited material as WP:OR and I've therefore restored it. Could you clarify your concerns at the article talk-page? Haploidavey (talk) 03:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for picking that up - I must have mis-selected without noticing. Redheylin (talk) 18:01, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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I would argue that removing the clef, while simpler, makes it harder to understand. The comparison I would make is with printed speech: removing the punctuation may make it simpler, but not easier to read and understand. For someone who reads music, I would argue that the absence of a clef is more distracting than its presence. And for someone who doesn't read (music or English) it is a moot point.

However, as I am currently unable to copy an excellent feature of your image, the vertical alignment of the notes between the parts, I won't be creating a new version. Thus I leave it up to you. Hyacinth (talk) 23:12, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I would be interested to know what "art-genres" you think are in a walled garden - Landscape painting say? Or do you perhaps mean topics in iconography? Johnbod (talk) 00:18, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Complex matter - not restricted to visual arts. Redheylin (talk) 00:26, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

If you mean musical genres you shouldn't call them "art genres", but "genres in the arts" or something. Johnbod (talk) 00:37, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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Reversion without discussion - no possibility of consensus. Answer me on the talk page. I am not edit-warring. Redheylin (talk) 18:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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Fixed - But unsourced Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Many of the female saints have been re-categorised to Category:Children of Brychan, which can be re-included in "Cornish Saints" if desired, but is presently side-by-side with it in "Southwestern Brythonic saints". The List of Cornish saints can also be updated. There are two difficulties: categories of "Medieval" Welsh, Breton etc. saints have not been used uniformly and saints are categorised indifferently according to their dedications, reputed place of birth, death etc. This is in addition to the usual problem of needless nested categories. Many Cornish saints are "outsiders" - one other possibility is to have a category of "Saints with dedications in Cornwall". Redheylin (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Other than fully protecting the page I don't think there is much I can do. As far as I can see nobody has gone over the 1RR listed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles. There is a discussion going on at the talk page, which doesn't seem to have descended into insults yet. Also I really don't know enough about the subject matter to be able to say one way or another which is the better, or more correct, version. Sorry. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 12:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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I was annoyed to find the page full-protected (oddly, though I'm a fairly experienced editor, it's the first time I've encountered that when wanting to make an edit!) and looking into the matter see it happened after editors were reverting some changes you made. I'm trying to encourage reasoned response to the points you made on the talk page. Dsp13 (talk) 23:12, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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Your revert's edit summary: "opinions may be quoted, but history of science must be respected".

Please explain. -- Brangifer (talk) 05:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Brangifer, the article Vitalism contains accounts of celebrated scientists such as Louis Pasteur and others. Until about 1950, vitalism was a respected viewpoint, and it has not even now entirely ceased to be so, due to the Hard problem of consciousness. Naturally I object to the categorisation of Pasteur as a pseudo-scientist. It's as wrong as labelling any article that mentions Newton or Faraday "pseudoscience" on the grounds of their obsolete or unfashionable views. If someone were to produce some faux-scientific paper today to give spurious authority to some "life-force" hypothesis, that would be pseudo-science, but obsolete science is not, religious ideas are not, far-out psychological hypotheses are not. Please aid the understanding of scientific progress by respecting both sides of every debate of the past, or which remains to be resolved in the future, and do not seek to make the history of science the playground of your personal crusades - for there will certainly be people in the future laughing at some of the views we hold today. Redheylin (talk) 05:18, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

And please note that at the moment consensus stands against your change! Thx. Redheylin (talk) 05:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the Pasteur/Newton/Faraday red herring has to do with this, so let's leave that out of this discussion. We follow the RS, and the article contains several mentions of the long since abandoned vitalistic theories which are foundational in many pseudoscientific practices. "Mainstream science has rejected vitalism since at least the 1930s, for a plethora of good reasons that have only become stronger with time."

The criticism section details the modern understanding, and, to put it bluntly, only pseudoscientists and defenders of pseudoscience defend it anymore, so you may wish to reconsider which side of history you are on.

I don't know what "consensus" you're referring to. There hasn't been any recent discussion. The category has been on that article for some time, and only one misguided editor tried to remove it (the other day in a massive number of edits to many articles where he got several clearly wrong by only focusing on one word, without considering context), and I restored it to its stable version. -- Brangifer (talk) 05:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Even the science section contains these quotes:

Vitalism is no longer philosophically and scientifically viable, and is sometimes used as a pejorative epithet.^[1] Ernst Mayr, co-founder of the modern evolutionary synthesis and a critic of vitalism, wrote:

It would be ahistorical to ridicule vitalists. When one reads the writings of one of the leading vitalists like Driesch one is forced to agree with him that many of the basic problems of biology simply cannot be solved by a philosophy as that of Descartes, in which the organism is simply considered a machine... The logic of the critique of the vitalists was impeccable.^[2]

Vitalism has become so disreputable a belief in the last fifty years that no biologist alive today would want to be classified as a vitalist. Still, the remnants of vitalist thinking can be found in the work of Alistair Hardy, Sewall Wright, and Charles Birch, who seem to believe in some sort of nonmaterial principle in organisms.^[3]

We of course describe the historical aspects about vitalism, but in relation to present day knowledge it is rejected and continued reliance on it is considered pseudoscientific. If this article had been written 150 years ago, with the sources of that day, it would not have been in the pseudoscience category, but we are using current knowledge and sources, so now it belongs in the category. -- Brangifer (talk) 05:52, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

TWO misguided editors have removed it. Consensus. Redheylin (talk) 06:05, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, fine; "I'm not sure what the Pasteur/Newton/Faraday red herring has to do with this, so let's leave that out of this discussion."

So what if "none of what you say makes sense to me, so I leave YOU out of the discussion"? You write; "the article contains several mentions of the long since abandoned vitalistic theories" - that is right, and I have taken the point already. Pasteur, Hardy, Driesch are not pseudoscientists and are not to be classed as such, even if consensus is against them today. You gain nothing by doing so. If you want to start a category of "Science and philosophy that many people think of as disreputable today" or just "Abandoned scientific theories" then go ahead, and avoid edit warring. Thanks. Redheylin (talk) 06:05, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

In short; you write "in relation to present day knowledge it is rejected and continued reliance on it is considered pseudoscientific." And if the article were called "continued reliance on vitalism", that would be fine, but it is not. The article defines pseudo-science as "a claim, belief or practice which is falsely presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method", and this does not apply to obsolete science (under which the article is correctly classified) except in speficic instances, which may be described as such in the text if there is authority for it. Redheylin (talk) 06:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Vitalism. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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No, I am not engaged in an edit war. I have reverted the addition of the category "Pseudoscience" by one editor, and afterwards by his proxy. Canvassing of proxies is edit-warring, my action is not. The matter is quite clearly stated above: Vitalism is an obsolete theory, categorised as such. Some modern proponents may be pseudo-scientific, but the view has been held by many distinguished scientists, and it is is inappropriate to label Pasteur and Faraday et al "pseudo" anything. If you disagree with this understanding you may respond. Thanks. Redheylin (talk) 10:38, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

nonsense. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 10:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

THIS is edit-warring, when somebody's dog barks nonsense because he has no answer except mere rudeness Redheylin (talk) 10:43, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

It's OK. I've restored the page to its good version. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 13:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

We're just respecting its historic and current status by including it in both categories, something which the sources confirm. Your disdain for James Randi is noted, which does place you in the pseudoscientific camp. Thanks for making that even more clear. -- Brangifer (talk) 15:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

My disdain is for non-scientist followers of a non-scientist whose editing is based upon personal outlook, not wiki rules and policy, as is amply demonstrated by your methods of personal remarks, abusiveness, multiplication of the location of debate, tag-teaming and utter absence of valid arguments, not to mention valid, neutral sources for your opinions. You say "the sources" - I have supplied five on the talk page - where are yours? Redheylin (talk) 16:02, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

A discussion involving yourself has been opened at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 13:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

As an admin, I've reviewed this report to see if it is ready to close. It appears that you have removed the category Pseudoscience from Vitalism four times since 18 February. This appears to meet the definition of edit warring, though others have not been blameless. In my opinion, this report might be closed with no block if you will agree not to remove the category again until a talk page consensus to do so has been reached. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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I've been involved in editors trying to add the material you did before, and I can tell you with some certainty that there is no third-party coverage by reliable sources of Starostin's "music criticism". The sources you added don't come close to meeting the threshold of reliability expected for a living-person biographical article; tvropes.org is an open wiki (WP:USERGENERATED) while sfloman.com is another self-published source. Please don't reintroduce the statement you are trying to add again without discussing it at the article's talk page first (WP:BRD). Also, I see you've had this account since 2008. I don't understand how source reliability hasn't been explained to you yet. Dan56 (talk) 03:11, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Dan56 I have noticed that you edit primarily album pages and that you are not a linguist. I therefore am sure that you know yourself that GS is in fact a web music reviewer and I conclude that you watch his page only to remove statements that you know to be true under the pretext of the "reliability" of their sources. However, I would like some explanation of why you are removing statements that you know to be true and verifiable. Redheylin (talk) 03:38, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Are you being serious?? It is a fact he self-publishes his opinions on music as a hobby, yes, so if you can find a reliable third-party source to prove it's notable enough to warrant mention in a Wikipedia article, you're free to do so. There's a reason WP has standards for sources, especially BLP (like wtf, are those guidelines that hard to understand??) Till then, your bold edit and was reverted, and my references to WP basic policies were valid. The burden is on you still. Ask any experienced editor or administrator. Or would you like me to? To get others involved because you don't wanna bother understanding how an encyclopedia works? Because that's the impression I'm getting, and to get reverted AGAIN after showing the courtesy of explaining this to you at that length is frustratingly annoying :/ Dan56 (talk) 03:49, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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• "Never use self-published sources – including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets – as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject" (WP:BLPSPS) and what they published is "about themselves" (Starostin does not say he's a music reviewer on his blog) Dan56 (talk) 03:58, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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I am perfectly serious. It is quite normal to add hobbies and interests of living people, and, as you confirm, you are fully aware that this is George's hobby. You are, therefore,not challenging the statement but removing it because you, and you alone, consider yourself qualified to state that all the sources are inadequate to you alone and not to other editors. And you have never REQUESTED citations - you have always deleted the information. You have posted that "Wikipedia cannot rely upon any editor's opinion about what topics are important" - this includes you! So I will ask you again - what has caused you consistently to remove the information that GS reviews music online? Why is it so important to you that you watch his page only to do so? Why not, say, suppress the information that Paul McCartney collects paintings of Magritte? Redheylin (talk) 04:01, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, I noticed that you recently created a new page, Rhythm and dance. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page – Dance. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will continue helping to improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Dance – you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.

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Category:Sociological genres of music, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

An article that you have been involved in editing—Rhythm and dance—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. WannaBeEditor (talk) 18:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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The file File:CaroloftheDrummusic.jpg has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Category:Western classical music styles has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Aza24 (talk) 01:53, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Category:Dances of Australasia, Oceania and south-east Asia requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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