User talk:SheriffIsInTown

Let me suggest politely that you not use nonsensical third rate sources. All sources are not equal on Wikipedia. Please tell on the Mohenjo-daro talk page why that source is reliable. what is its citation index? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:13, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

FYI - Fowler has reverted your edits a second time. Curro2 (talk) 02:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Curro2: Not sure, what to do man! I guess, I am going to retire, I have had enough. People have setup their own domains here and they try to push away anybody who tries to improve articles which they think they own. There is someone owning Bangladesh articles and if you go and try to improve any article under that project, they will revert you just because you are Pakistani. Now, here its the case of laziness as well, undo is easy, just one click and who cares if the other person have spent hours researching the material. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 09:29, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Relax buddy! We learn from every dispute situation and get better as editors. - Kautilya3 (talk) 12:33, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:) Please don't leave Wikipedia on my account! And I thought you were a Hindu nationalist! The problem is the book you are using, which it turns out is not Hindu nationalist, but still is a somewhat non-mainstream work which uses a mostly religious/mythological text, the Rig Veda, to deduce things that properly belong to the domain of archaeology. The book itself says, "This is the first investigation of its kind and the conclusions of the study are no less original. Besides establishing the rationality of the Rgvedic narratives, it shows the events and their agents to be historical in the light of available archaeological material." In other words, this is not exactly a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards. It is the first I have heard that Mohenjo-daro is a Bengali version of a Sindhi word. It is true that one of the early excavators of Mohenjo-daro, Rakhaldas Bannerjee, was Bengali, but it is very unlikely that he would have changed the name to a Bengali name, given that he was working for the British directed Archaeological Survey of (British) India. I encourage you to find better references for the article, but this doesn't seem to be one. No hurt feelings, I hope, and my apologies. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

PS The reason why I mentioned "Hindu nationalist," is that there is a revisionist trend among some Hindu nationalist Indian historians and archaeologists, who are claiming, on scant evidence, that the Indus civilization was Vedic, that all its artifacts, culture, administrative and political systems are of Vedic Hindu origin, although, as I've said above, your source probably is not saying this. These same very people have been claiming that they've found a new Indus site, and they have found thousands, wherever their foot hits a stone anywhere in India. They seem to be upset that the Indus civilization is mostly in Pakistan. (I'm exaggerating a little, but it is one thing one has to watch out for in all IVC related pages.) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:22, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: I have heard on a TV channel, a Pakistani presenter saying that the official name "Mohenjo-daro means "Heart pleasing city" while the original name "Moenjo-daro" meant "Mountain of the dead" so i thought let's do some research on that since i had seen some bickering on Mohenjo-daro in the past about the meaning of the name or what spelling should be used. So those two sources were the result of that research. Now i have no idea, who is Hindu nationalist when it comes to the authors as both of them have Hindu names but having a Hindu name does not make someone Hindu nationalist, the book names have words "Rigveda" in them so the author might have written the book from Hinduism perspective but the text that i included in the article does not talk about Hinduism or Hindu nationalism, it merely talks about the meaning of the name which does not hint anywhere about it being from Hinduism perspective. I am for giving the coverage to every perspective and leave to the reader to come to the conclusion. If one writer says that the word means "Mound of the dead" or "The hill of the corpses", the other says "The place with doors" or "The place of doors", we should mention all of them, that's what encyclopedia is about. Why should we favor one meaning over the other. I mean i would be careful if an author is a Hindu nationalist and says "Mohenjo-daro" means "A place with Hindu temples", that would be Hindu nationalism (i might include that one as well just to give greater coverage to the subject though). Here is another one,^[1] this one says it means "Mound of the dead", we should source that meaning as well.

And i don't know anything about citation index or how to check it? It would be helpful if you can give me a link to some tool or page describing that. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:08, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Here are some reliable IVC sources. If you stick to them, you can't go wrong. You could add them as bibliography to the Mohenjo-daro pge:

• Allchin, Bridget (1997). Origins of a Civilization: The Prehistory and Early Archaeology of South Asia. New York: Viking. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Bridget Allchin; Raymond Allchin (1982), The Rise of Civilization in India and Pakistan, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 978-0-521-28550-6
• Dani, Ahmad Hassan (1984). Short History of Pakistan (Book 1). University of Karachi. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Dani, Ahmad Hassan; Mohen, J-P. (eds.) (1996). History of Humanity, Volume III, From the Third Millennium to the Seventh Century BC. New York/Paris: Routledge/UNESCO. ISBN 0-415-09306-6. {{cite book}}: |author2= has generic name (help); Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Kenoyer, Jonathan Mark (1998). Ancient cities of the Indus Valley Civilisation. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-577940-1. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Kenoyer, Jonathan M.; Heuston, Kimberley Burton (2005), The Ancient South Asian World, Oxford University Press, ISBN 978-0-19-522243-2
• Jane McIntosh (2008), The Ancient Indus Valley: New Perspectives, ABC-CLIO, ISBN 978-1-57607-907-2
• Mughal, Mohammad Rafique (1997). Ancient Cholistan, Archaeology and Architecture. Ferozesons. ISBN 969-0-01350-5. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Parpola, Asko (19 May 2005), Study of the Indus Script (PDF) {{citation}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Pittman, Holly (1984). Art of the Bronze Age: southeastern Iran, western Central Asia, and the Indus Valley. New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art. ISBN 9780870993657.
• Possehl, Gregory L. (11 November 2002), The Indus Civilization: A Contemporary Perspective, Rowman Altamira, ISBN 978-0-7591-1642-9
• Wright, Rita P. (2009), The Ancient Indus: Urbanism, Economy, and Society, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 978-0-521-57219-4, retrieved 29 September 2013

best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:11, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Great work on finding a good source. I think, though, you might have the ISBN of the E-book (which doesn't have page numbers). Also, it is usually more accurate to give the chapter title and author of the chapter in the author, as Bates et al have only edited the book. If you use the following: Fukao, Junichi (2015), "Cities in India: An archaeological perspective", in Crispin Bates, Minoru Mio (eds) (ed.), Cities in South Asia, Routledge, p. 18, ISBN 978-1-317-56513-0 {{citation}}: |editor= has generic name (help), it will give the reader the full information, and, by clicking the book title, will take the reader straight to page 18, where he or she can check for themselves. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:05, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: Thanks for your help, I will try to get better on this. :) How did you find the author name? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome. The author's name is right under the chapter title on page 17. (If you are not in the US or Canada, you might not be able to see this.  :) ). Google books allows different degrees of access in different country locations. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:14, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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@Bhootrina: Not sure, what did I do to get this but thanks for spreading the love! By the way, big cats are my favorite animals too, i think they are the most beautiful mammals on the planet. I like Cheetah the most, it's such a baby-faced animal, very cute. I might add some of those userboxes on my page as well. :) Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

I made some well-sourced additions to the page Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War and @MBlaze Lightning removed them and asked me to discuss on Talk page. I raised all my points on the Talk page but he has not responded on Talk despite asking me to and still insists on not letting my additions through.

You can access the Talk page for that article here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rape_during_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War

I would like you to review my additions and sources and see if you have an issue with it.TalhaZubairButt (talk) 23:39, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

@TalhaZubairButt: According to WP:CANVASS, I cannot intervene in your favor on that page since I have not made an edit on that page before. If that was not a hindrance I would have loved to do so and I have been thinking to look at that page for long now. I plan to look at it in future but will make my own decision as to when.

I completely understand your frustration about the behavior of some Indian editors, it seems like they are bent on making Wikipedia, a political battleground which is against the essence of building a free encyclopedia and it has been like that for long so someone like you or like myself comes and challenges their authority, they start throwing fits. So, in this case its completely unfair for that editor not to allow your edits and on top of that, not to engage in a discussion. You can reinstate your edit after waiting a reasonable time for him to engage in discussion but if he continues this behavior then you will have to explore other venues. You can serve him WP:3RR if he is to breach that rule or maybe report him to WP:ANI/edit-warring. You can file a case at WP:3O so a third unrelated editor can join in. If you are not satisfied with the result of 3O, you can go to WP:DRN, an informal mediation forum, WP:MEDCOM, a formal mediation forum, next step WP:RFC and finally you can appeal to ARBCOM and I am willing to help you regarding these procedures by staying on the sidelines and not engaging in actual dispute.

There is one way for me to engage in the actual content dispute and that is that we ask MBlaze Lightning to invite one editor of his choice to the dispute, that way you will have an editor of your choice and he would have an editor of his choice.

Finally, my advice to you is that familiarise yourself with policies and do not get blocked. You are doing a very good job. Keep up the good work. I see your content is sourced and balanced but because of the fighty behavior of Wikipedia, you will encounter opposition and last thing we want is to lose a good editor like yourself so keep your cool and calm, don't express your personal feelings towards hot political disputes even if your opponents do and don't get yourself blocked.

Let me know if you want me to ask the other editor to get another editor of his choice then I can fare in that dispute. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 09:29, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

After seeing Hussain Haqqani in your list and being a relatively inexperienced editor, I needed to ask you somethings. I believe there is a portion of the Wikipedia article on Hussain Haqqani which violates the Wikipedia rules and guidelines:

"The Wall Street Journal described Haqqani as "a hostage" while he was in Pakistan and published an interview with him from the Prime Minister's house in which he outlined why he was hated by Pakistan's intelligence services and Jihadi groups.[47] Michel Hirsh, writing in The Atlantic, described Haqqani as "The Last Friendly Pakistani" towards the US[48] Jeffrey Goldberg, writing for The Atlantic and Bloomberg News, has been a consistent supporter of Haqqani, calling him "The Hardest Working Man in Washington" and criticising Pakistan's military and security services[49][50] Simon Tisdall of The Guardian called Haqqani "an instinctive ally of the west" and attributed Memogate to the ambassador's difficult relationship with Pakistan intelligence service.[51]"

Isn`t this portion based on the OPEDs which I believe goes against the wikipedia policies. Can you elaborate on this because I want to remove this section — Preceding unsigned comment added by DelusionMBT (talk • contribs) 18:35, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

@DelusionMBT: Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia and every editor whether new or old has the same right to edit. You can go ahead and make your edits outlining your reasons in the summary line for those changes if someone objects to your edits then there are processes to deal with that. I am willing to help if you need any help understanding any process or a policy but as I said you don't need mine or anyone else's permission to make an edit which you consider right. Thanks for reaching out though, I appreciate it. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:35, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Dear SheriffIsInTown,

Thank you for your response. We definitely need more people like you amongst our midst. Stay blessed don`t loose hope all the best infact people like you are the hope for the majority of Pakistanis. Thumbs up :) DelusionMBT (talk) 08:32, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

I would like to bring to your attention that MBlaze is involved in pushing a rather sinister POV on the Indo-Pak article including removal of sourced content which favors Pakistans claim, he has already removed a lot of content basing his argument that it unreliable simply because its by pakistani sources. Can you please take notice or inform some other editor to take notice? Can MBlaze be nominated for a block for being a POV pusher? Thank youDelusionMBT (talk) 18:09, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

@DelusionMBT: I have added Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 to my watchlist. I will see how I can help improve that page in future. It's my policy not to go after other people's edits and I don't check edit history of a page past the point of me adding the page to my watchlist.

Also, I don't seek blocks for other editors until I exhaust all of my options. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:29, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

A sock puppetry investigation was launched by MBlaze against me calling me a sock of TalhaZubairButt (I have no idea who this guy is) after I spoke against him being a POV pushover and demanded a ban on him for being a POV pusher. I believe he has now withdrawn his report against you in the "Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring: Difference between revisions". After I said the following and demanded a ban on MBlaze at Trip Wire talk page as well.

This i what I wrote on the "Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring"

*I don`t think that Sheriff did anything wrong, this selective justice involving pushing a specific point of view based on nationalistic fervor should have no place on Wikipedia and should end. Alleging that Sheriff is involved in any sorta edit war is laughable, I have been following his edits for quite some time now on issues related to Pakistan, Bangladesh and India especially the level of patience he has shown on the Hussain Haqqani article to accommodate the POV pushers is remarkable. This selective bullying is not only shameful but quite unprofessional as well on part of the Wiki community by a handful nationalist maniacs who don`t have the patience to listen or accommodate the opposition`s point of view no matter how much well sourced it may be. 

• I also want to bring it to your attention that MBlaze Lightning is involved in mass removal of content, from the 1965 Indo-Pak war article ^[1]. The editors should pay special attention to that as well. He has already removed well sourced content, relating to Pakistan and is pushing a specific POV based on the same nationalistic rhetoric which he champions in his rather bigoted posts. I hope he can be banned as per Wiki policies for being a POV pusher.

He has now withdrawn his allegation. Can you please kindly tell me how can I defend myself against him and can we demand a ban on him for being POV push over especially in 1965 war section. Thank you

Here is the link of the ongoing investigation, I hope the poor guy TalhaZubairButt knows about this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/TalhaZubairButt — Preceding unsigned comment added by DelusionMBT (talk • contribs) 19:27, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

@DelusionMBT: After the SPI results, my advice to you is that you go to the SPI and accept all of your sock-puppets whole-heartedly since it's obvious that being an inexperienced editor you did not know that accounts other than the ones mentioned in SPI can show up as well. Then you should request blocking of all your accounts except one. This way, I am pretty confident that your one account might be allowed to function or you might get a temporary short ban. Don't make a mistake of denying the results because that won't work. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:29, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Sherriff, you're a good editor and you do a lot of good work on Wikipedia and I appreciate your efforts to bring balance to Pakistan related articles (especially since Mar4d is gone and TopGun topic banned). But you're moving into dangerous territory with your recent edit on Bangladesh liberation war. I don't have to tell you that there are discretionary sanctions that apply to this article and suggest you self-revert. --regentspark (comment) 17:30, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: I did not know that discretionary sanctions apply to this article as it's not related to India/Pakistan. I thought Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 came under discretionary sanctions. Also, by looking at WP:ARBIPA, I am unable to understand how my edit is in violation of the principles set there-in and how it does not apply to everyone else involved in this quarry. I am willing to self-revert after understanding the violation. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:43, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

India was involved in the BLA, therefore this is covered by the sanctions. I'm referring specifically to the 'disruptive editing' clause below. Your last revert is easily construable as disruptive. I have no desire to protect the page because I do think mostly everyone is editing in good faith but will do that if you don't self-revert. --regentspark (comment) 17:55, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: How about, i self-revert and you fully protect the page until the differences are resolved. I also claim that my edits are in good faith but if i revert and others keep making changes, especially Vinegarymass911 is non-stop adding information, although with sources but my edits or Talha's edits or TW's edits are also sourced. It's hard to keep track of the changes when somebody like him is making non-stop changes to the page. How about fully protect the page after my revert and then keep it protected until matter is resolved on talk or through some other process. I am willing to go for an RFC but there is not point in doing that if we cannot keep track of the changes. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:03, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok. That sounds good. --regentspark (comment) 18:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, Sheriff. You are taking liberties with truth in making these claims. The people that reinstated edits after RP drew the line are:

• TalhaZubairButt , ; Faizan , TripWire , and you , .

The people that reverted back to RP's line are:

• Volunteer Marek , MBlaze Lightning , me , and Ghatus .

The only person that is participating in the talk page discussion from the first group is TZB. Needless to say, I was quite disappointed when you joined the gang. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:23, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I did not mention any line here and i did not see one but i am willing to accept that i have been seeing edits in my watchlist from Vinegarymass911 on almost all Bangladesh related pages and might have wrongly assumed that he has been making major changes on Bangladesh Liberation War as well. Also, to begin-with, he was the one who first removed that whole "Violence against Biharis" section which was sourced so why his sourced edits should stay and anybody else's won't. Also, admin is an editor as well and it does not mean that an admin would draw a line anywhere and everyone will obey, that line should be based on some policy as well but as the admin pointed out the policy so i reverted myself. Also, he is consistently making changes to 1971 Bangladesh genocide now. Would it be appropriate for me now to start reverting him there. There is a dispute going on that page as well and his edits are against an established consensus if anyone else's is. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, ok, I wouldn't blame you if you are getting confused between the various 1971 Bangladesh articles. Vinegarymass911 is working on the Bangladesh genocide article which is quite separate. The Bangladesh Liberation War article is essentially the parent of all the 1971 Bangladesh articles. This is the one that was effectively frozen by RP, and now physically frozen as well. This is the one we should work, slowly and methodically. The rest will fall in place afterwards. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 18:40, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

The Sanctions apply to all article related to Bangladesh, Pakistan, India. So, one cannot say that editing this article by one side is a violation whereas Vinegarymass911 gets a free pass to edit another under-sanctions article. You all know the amount content he has added to that article. We had kinda agreed that per WP:HIST newspapers arent RS, but majority of his edits are sourced from newspapers. Kutaliya and others do point out when TBZ, Sherrif or myself use such sources, but you dont flinch when Vinegarymass911 did it. Double standards? How come an edit from good-faith editors become a POV but not for another editor who have been pushing info continuously? Kutaliya, you rubbished Encarta not being an RS when it comes to history, but you didnt bother to do the same when Vinegarymass911 used Britanica? Regentsspark, this is disturbing, that's all I want to point out.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ^ʞlɐʇ 21:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

If he is using sources inappropriately, please feel free to raise it on the article talk page. Why do you need me to do so? These are not pages that I edit normally. If there are major disputes or edit-wars then I come in to help. Otherwise, it is your territory, not mine. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:45, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

So you agree that you are biased?—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ^ʞlɐʇ 19:49, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Are we allowed to exchange contact details (eg email, facebook, other forms of social media) on Wikipedia here or is it impermissible?TalhaZubairButt (talk) 01:41, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

You can add your email address in preferences and if someone wants to contact you then they have that option to contact. It's not visible to anyone but once you reply then the other person have your email address. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 01:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks.Done.TalhaZubairButt (talk) 02:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Sherriff, there is no policy that says that a blocked user cannot remove messages from their talk page. Generally, except for the block notice, they can go ahead and remove everything. Repeatedly reverting the editor is disruptive. --regentspark (comment) 19:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: So, you are saying if a user has 9 talk pages then they can edit all their 9 pages. It is not established yet which one is his talk page, User talk:KnightWarrior25 or User talk:MBlaze Lightning or seven others belonging to his other 7 accounts? It still needs to be decided which one is his talk page. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:56, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. A blocked editor removing comments from their talk page is not abusive. Repeatedly reinstating those reverted edits looks like you're just trying to make a point and is disruptive. The editor is blocked and won't be editing for a while, if at all. Let it go. --regentspark (comment) 20:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: Being a blocked user for socking, he is still posting against me on his talk page. Can you remove his last message against me? If I am not allowed to respond to him then why he is posting against me, especially when he is blocked. He also made some accusations against me in that message. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:12, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

The page is protected. Nothing looks like an attack to me but tell me what you want to remove and I'll remove it. --regentspark (comment) 20:27, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: You removed my message from his talk page then he added a subsection naming it "Reply to Sherriff". How come my message gets removed and then his reply stays where he accuses of tag-teaming and other stuff. Once you removed my message you should have removed his message "Reply to Sherriff" as well. I don't understand this selective removal. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

All gone. Hopefully this time sink has gone as well. --regentspark (comment) 20:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: Ok, thanks but now I am wondering what constitutes a violation of talk page access because I have seen users talk page access revoked before when they went slightly off-topic from their unblock request or they removed something from their talk page while blocked. I mean it would have been okay for him to remove that message once he was unblocked because that message was related to his unblock request. I am involved with this and when he makes false and fake promises and reasons why he should be unblocked then I should be allowed to comment and he can address those objections instead of completely removing the message. I don't understand why an admin would rule in favor of a blocked user who was blocked due to policy violations. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

As long as the user isn't behaving disruptively, there is no need to revoke talk page access. It looks to me that MBlaze is using that identity as their main identity so they can - within reason - post messages outlining what they intend to do to return. Like I said somewhere before, I've yet to see a serial socker reform but we need to AGF and give them the chance and focus on editing content instead of worrying about what MBlaze will or will not do. Either way, it's going to be a long time before they can come back. --regentspark (comment) 18:25, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sheriff, since you have said that this is your first RfC, here are some tips. Even though the policy page says that it is ok to have RfC's that have just comments (votes) or to have threaded discussions, usually the uninvolved editors invited by the bot get put off when they see huge walls of text. So, I usually set up a separate subsection called "threaded discussion" and, when a huge thread develops in the middle, I move it to the threaded discussion section.I also add a section for References so that all the references are in one place, and don't break up the comments. Focusing on a single question usually gets better results than asking for comments on a huge complicated edit. The basic objective is to make it inviting to the uninvolved editors. Getting their opinions is basically what an RfC is about. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 07:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, I think it was a poor RfC. I did not know what else to try instead of endless reverting. I hope next time I will do better. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 08:43, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I thought the discussion between VM and you was proceeding ok, before you started the RfC. I think the idea of using a separate article to work through the violence on Biharis is worth trying. Most of us don't know the issues because all kinds of numbers are thrown around and we can't tell what is happening without doing in-depth research ourselves.

On another note, does this new editor] look familiar to you? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

You need to do a proper job of cleaning up your user page, dude. Weapons of mass destruction are not tools of law enforcement either. You are libelling Husain Haqqani. Goading other users on talk pages and at ANI is not appropriate behaviour for anyone who claims to respect the law either, see WP:NOTBATTLE. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:30, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sminthopsis84: I suggest you stop pestering Sheriff about his page. Your ANI complaint about it hasn't had any traction among uninvolved users and admins so far. (ArghyaIndian taking the opportunity to express his on grudge (compare ) is something else.) Time to let it go. Bishonen | talk 16:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC).

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Hi.

While editing Office 365 article, you had expressed interest in seeing a featured article that uses footnote citation style. You can see Microsoft Security Essentials article.

But why don't you actually look at Wikipedia:Featured article criteria instead? It tells you what a featured article needs to have. One of them is:

consistent citations: where required by criterion 1c, consistently formatted inline citations using either footnotes (<ref>Smith 2007, p. 1.</ref>) or Harvard referencing (Smith 2007, p. 1)—see citing sources for suggestions on formatting references. The use of citation templates is not required.

If there are more questions, I'll be glad to assist.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sheriff, My sympathies for the number of sock attacks you have been getting on your talk page. If these socks are any people I know, I hope they will read my lips and stop doing it. This is not what Wikipedia is about! - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:27, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Thank you, with all the disputes we had, I appreciate your gesture! Let them continue, they continue with what they are best at and I will continue with what I am best at! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:20, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Human3015 and Kautilya3 are the same person. Rama's Arrow and DBigXrayhas returned with new accounts. --Silk Ruote cabin (talk) 14:35, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

You made this edit summary Don't you dare call me a "Pakistani POV" pusher again, you will find that you are not that "Bulletproof". You are not a real Sheriff. Even if you are what will you do?????? --Bulletproof Batman (talk) 16:52, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

You are not a Batman either, it was directed at the username and not the person. Your username gives an impression of someone who thinks they cannot be blocked hence I interpreted "Bulletproof" as "Blockproof", that was my interpretation and that was what I meant, nothing more than that. So my summary meant that "I am serving you with this notice now, do not call me Pakistani POV pusher again otherwise you will find that you are not blockproof", bringing someone's ethnicity in edit summaries like that can lead you to a block under WP:ARBIPA. I hope you understand now. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:57, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I never called you Pakistani POV pusher. I said "reverting Pakistani POV edit". I very well know what you meant by you are not Bulletproof. Administrators as @Abecedare: will support old editors. --Bulletproof Batman (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

So, why don't you come as an old editor, so the administrators can quickly spot you, you do not need to come as a new editor. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Bulletproof Batman (talk) 06:12, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge and Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like South East Asia, Japan/China or India etc, much like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Asian content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon which has produced near 200 articles in just three days. If you would like to see this happening for Asia, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Asia, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant! Thank you. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:57, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I had filed a DRN against Uanfala and Robert was moderator who had given decision that first line of article should not be written as Saraiki language. You being extended confirmed user please make following edits to comply with DRN moderator decision.

• Leade: Saraiki (سرائیکی Sarā'īkī, often spelt Siraiki/Seraiki) also known as Southern Panjabi or Multani ^[1] is a Punjabi variant spoken by 10% of Pakistan’s population. ^{[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]} It belongs to Western Punjabi (Lahnda) group of Northwestern Indo-Aryan languages ^[10] Saraiki is hotly contested as mere a dialect of Punjabi or separate language.^[11] While regarded by many as a dialect of Punjabi ^{[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21]}. it has supported a movement to claim for recognition as a separate language.^[22] Saraiki is to a high degree mutually intelligible with Standard dialect of Punjabi ^[23][24] and shares with it a large portion of its vocabulary and morphology, while at the same time in its phonology ^[25] and important grammatical features in common with the Sindhi language spoken to the south.^[24]. It is spoken by 20 million people^[26][a] in the province of Punjab, southern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, and border regions of North Sindh and Eastern Balochistan in Pakistan. Multani is a "dialect" of Siraiki in the same way that Siraiki is a "dialect" of Lahnda, which is then a "dialect" of Punjabi, which in turn is a "dialect" of Indo-Aryan. In this sense both Siraiki and Standard Panjabi are "dialects" of a "Greater Punjabi" macrolanguage.^[23]

• Dialect section: to be renamed as "Subdialects" and rewritten as "The sub dialects tentatively proposed for Saraiki  :^[27] are Central Saraiki, including Multani, Sindhi Saraiki, Southern Saraiki of Rajanpur and Rahim Yar Khan Districts. Eastern Saraiki which is transitional to Standard Punjabi, Northern Saraiki, or Thali of the Thal Desert. The dialects tentatively proposed for Saraiki by ethnologue are Bahawalpuri (Reasati, Riasati), Derawali, Jatki, Multani (Khatki). The name "Derawali" is used to refer to the local dialects of both Dera Ghazi Khan and Dera Ismail Khan, but "Ḍerawali" in the former is the Multani dialect and "Derawali" in the latter is the Thaḷi dialect.^[28][29] 115.186.171.170 (talk) 16:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Please provide me the link for the decision as i could not find it, still it will be my decision whether i want to go by the DRN decision or with completely new version of my own or to a past consensus version depending on when i have enough time to review all the changes since my last edit to that page. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:10, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hello Sheriff, I was wondering if you could help shine some light on the labyrinth of rules and regulations of wikipedia on secondary vs. primary sources. I am not certain if this: Respect_secondary_sources only applies to medical sources, or secondary sources in general. It refers to this supplement page Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_primary_sources but the supplement page states that it is not yet thoroughly vetted by the community... I also discovered this line of text on the no original research page about secondary sources "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources.". which seems to be valuable in my case.

Any advice or help with the rules is greatly appreciated. Thank you.24.132.187.209 (talk) 19:02, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, welcome to the most screwed up system in the world, I have seen editors use a policy one way while others use in completely the opposite way. My simple explanation to identify primary vs. secondary source would be, for example you claim that you live in Netherlands, that would be primary but if I claim that you live in Netherlands, that would be secondary. Another example, writer A claims in his own book that he has accomplished this, this and this in life, this is primary but if writer B claims in his book that writer A has accomplished this, this and this in his life, that would be considered secondary. WP:No original research is the proper policy though, the other one is only for medical. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:31, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the super fast reply, Good Sir! It is very much appreciated, it was impossible to ask anywhere else... By the way, could wikipedia editors dismiss Valid Secondary Sources, written by professors and published by renowned academic publishers, Springer and Routledge no less - by demanding that only academic sources based on "analysing primary data" are allowed or valid (which sounds a lot like Primary Sources, seeing they are close to the source)?24.132.187.209 (talk) 20:04, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Simple answer "No", they cannot reject a scholarly source the way you describe it if we go by the policy but my personal opinion is opposite to that, I think for a source to be authentic, we should be able to trace the source to the original otherwise an author can write anything sitting in his drawing room which has no value in my view. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you again, Good Sir! It is very hard to find people that actually reply. The two sources might also have analysis of primary data, and thus could be primary sources (as well as secondary sources, depending the perspective), sadly it is inaccessible (google books limitations). Sadly, I doubt that the opposite party, would even accept any of these two sources, whether they be secondary or primary sources, seeing they are inconvenient for him and his agenda either way... He repeatedly misinterpreted these sources (quickly detected by checking the sources). Failing that approach, he tried to destroy the evidence by deleting quotes from the sources which prevented future misinterpretations, without ever mentioning it in his edit descriptions) and now discredit them (which is why I am asking about secondary vs primary sources)... On top of that, I just found out he finally made a talk page, and then stealth condemns me (in his edit descriptions) for not showing up... while he never send me any notification about it whatsoever... is that even allowed? Is there a way to contact an moderator(s) I've been searching for so long but cant find any, I am tired of this troll...24.132.187.209 (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Try WP:3, if that does not help, then you can try WP:DRN, both of these processes were never of any help to me whenever I needed it but who knows, you might be able to get something out of it. As for notifying about talk discussion, I do not think it is necessary and there is no way to notify an IP address anyway. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:31, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Sheriff Good Sir, my sincerest apologies, upon returning home from the airport... I noticed that KartvelianCelt here has followed me around, while I was gone. Worse, he thought he had the right to just barge in uninvited, at the Talk pages of people I sought advice from. I never invited him, nor even mentioned your name to him, at all. The time gap between his last series of edits took 11 days (31 march to 10 April), Yet I never followed him around and harassed the people he visits, on their pages, just to get his attention... I don't know what his problem is... Here, he claims he could not notify me, alright... yet here at another Editors talk page , he stated he "invited" me post on the talk page of the wikipage in question. I triple checked my talk page history. I never gotten any invitation or note on my Talk page, whatsoever.

However, someone who I've never seen before, called Kautillya, showed up and left a "good faith" reminder on my page, that same day, on the 13th... And, while searching for Kart's none existing invitation, I found another one of Kautillya's messages instead, his first message accusing me of "edits that do not conform to our policies and therefore have been reverted. For more information on this, see Wikipedia's policies on vandalism"... while I was away? Impossible. Seems like he messed up. He did removed that, but only after posting that "good faith" reminder, then apologized and left ... Weird. Clicking on Kautillya's talk page and talk archive shows he is drowning in disputes, edit wars, with all kinds of rather heavy accusations lodged against him. Yet, he hypocritically posts all that on my Talk page? Btw, thank you for the suggestions of WP:3 and WP:DRN, I will look into them. Thanks again! 24.132.187.209 (talk) 23:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice that you had a talk page. I swear you only made this recently... anyway, we can discuss the issues there instead. As I said previously, I only followed you around because I did not know any other way to communicate with you. Also, although you did not name me, you did make some pretty strong accusations against me. That's okay as I understand edit conflicts on wikipedia can be really frustrating but please try and stay calm when interacting with users you disagree with. I'm not "harassing", "trolling" or "vandalising". As I've made clear in my most recent comments, I would prefer dialogue rather than agro ;) --KartvelianCelt (talk) 16:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

My good friend, 24.132.187.209. How am I to send you a notification when you are not even registered? What can I do? Again, I clearly stated that I did not intentionally try to destroy evidence: I may have erased one of your sources by accident in the past for which I am sorry but there is no way I intentionally tried to destroy your evidence. In any case, here is a chance for some dialogue. We can discuss this on the talk page without the need for any further agro. By the way, is my current phrasing satisfactory for you? I did change the wording from "wine-like drink" to "wine". That was your main concern, right? Sorry SheriffIsInTown for writing this on your talk page. There is no other way I can communicate with that IP address without following his activity. --KartvelianCelt (talk) 06:11, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

You recently made this edit to Goldbach's conjecture. The edit summary claims this: "Rescuing 8 sources and tagging 0 as dead. #IABot (v1.6.5)".

There are no sources that need rescuing. Rather, 0 are dead, as the edit summary indeed says.

The edit makes the references annoying and seems to provide no positive value (IMO). I am unaware of a consensus of editors to the contrary. Hence, I have undone the edit.

Looking over your list of recent contributions, I saw that you been been making similar "rescues" with many other articles. What is the purpose, and do editors of other articles agree with it?

TheSeven (talk) 11:01, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@TheSeven: I thank you for reaching out to me but your concern is not valid. Please read WP:LINKROT, according to that, it is highly desirable to add archive links at the time when the citation is added and that is exactly what I am doing, I am adding archive links to references which does not have them. Additionally, it is not necessary for the link to be dead to be rescued. The links can be rescued before becoming dead especially if they are in danger of being rotten soon. If you would notice, not all of references are being rescued which means that the ones which do not have a danger of being dead in future are left alone but the others are being rescued. It's not necessary for editors to agree with it, the policy is there and I will keep following it, if someone has an objection, they can reach out to me like you did and I will explain it to them. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 12:57, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Kind thanks for explaining this. I was unaware of that policy. It looks to me like you are indeed following that. As you rightly say, that is what matters. With much appreciation, TheSeven (talk) 14:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

It should be noted that WP:LINKROT is not policy, it is not even a guideline. The prophylactic addition of archived ULRs is questionable. There are some highly reliable sites like PubMed (continuously active since 1996) that have existed longer than the Wayback Machine (started in 2001). Hence URLs to PubMed should be exempted from archive links. (Even better, these |url= should be replaced with |pmid= and |pmc=.) Also adding archive links to URL DOIs (e.g., |url=https://doi.org/10.1109/5.771073) should also be exempted (and replaced with |doi=) since they are fixed and less likely to go dead. IMHO, it would be better for a bot to continuously scan URLs, and then add archive URLs if and only if the URL is dead. Otherwise we are unnecessarily cluttering articles with unneeded |archive-url=, |archive-date=, and |dead=no parameters, some of which will never be needed. Boghog (talk) 15:59, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Amendment_request:_India-Pakistan regarding the ARE decision that affected you. — MapSGV (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Please don't do manual page moves, as you did at Orakzai Agency. This loses the page history. The correct approach is to drop a request for swapping article and redirect at WP:RFPP, who will do a round-robin move preserving histories. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:12, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Elmidae, I take it that you meant WP:RMT, not RFPP? – Uanfala (talk) 18:31, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Elmidae, point noted! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Uanfala: oops. Yes, so I did. Sorry 'bout that. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:57, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Please stop changing the tehsil and agency articles for FATA to say they are in KP, the merger hasn't been put in action yet. FATA is under the president of Pakistan's jurisdiction currently, he hasn't handed over control to the KP government yet.Avg W (talk) 17:10, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

President has signed the bill, constitutionally FATA is part of KP. Now, the process to complete the changes on the ground can take time, that does not have any effect on constitutional status so it's all good in the bigger picture. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:31, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Do you have a source on the president signing the Constitution (Thirty-first Amendment) Bill, 2018? This source states the bill he has signed is the Interim Governance Regulation and that he has yet to assent to the amendment https://www.geo.tv/latest/197129-president-mamnoon-hussain-signs-kp-fata-merger-bill . I have been trying to find a source that specifically refers to the status of the amendment act and have been unable to find one. I think some of the headlines are potentially confusing, since many refer to the "merger bill" when it appears that this could describe two bills - the Interim Governance Regulation (which does not grant authority to the KP government over FATA on its own) and the Constiution (Thirty-first Amendment) Bill. I realise the changes will occur very soon but I am cautious to update without a clear source on the status of the amendment.Avg W (talk) 18:22, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

If my words were hurtful then I would like to say sorry for what happened. Happy editing! Saqib (talk) 15:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: Thanks and sorry for the lecture, if it came out that way! 😀 Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:08, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

--Saqib (talk) 15:10, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that you recently changed the spelling of ‘Bye election’ to by election for the NA 125 constituency. However, Article 2(vi) of the elections act 2017 clearly states that bye election is spelt with an ‘e’ at the end of it in Pakistani legal terms, which is why I have spelt it like that. Masterpha (talk) 18:08, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Masterpha:Thank you, I did not know that! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Masterpha: Actually, no proper spellings are By-election, we are supposed to follow independent sources and not official documents, bye-election is less commonly used, in Google Books and News searches, by-election seems to outweigh bye-election by a very wide margin, millions compared to thousands. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:39, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure, but in pakistani law terms it gives a clear spelling of by-election, no matter how commonly it is used around the world, as ‘bye’ Masterpha (talk) 21:18, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

The India-Pakistan arbitration amendment request filed on 23 May 2018 (the appeal of certain arbitration enforcement actions by GoldenRing) has been closed as unsuccessful. For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:05, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@L235: What is the way forward for me now? Can I never appeal again on any forum? Is this sanction considered permanent now? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

In accordance with Committee procedure, further substantive review of the sanction (i.e. whether it was valid when first placed) is barred. You may "still request an easing or removal of the sanction on the grounds that said sanction is no longer needed, but such requests may only be made once every six months[...]". Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

@L235: Once per six months, counting the one just closed or uncounting it? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Based on the intent of that section, counting this appeal, i.e. you may not request the sanction be eased or removed for six months starting today. That's not an official Committee interpretation, but I'd guess that the Committee would agree. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

why did you do this? no edit summary = not cool --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

@R'n'B: Definitely a mistake and not cool at all, I thought I was reverting IP, not sure how your edit got in between, I will revert myself. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

No problem. We all make mistakes. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:26, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Please take a look at Ontario General Election from a few days ago in which the list of Candidates was on the Election page. It was moved to a separate page after the election. Federally, though, I see that the list of candidates started off on a separate page: Results by riding of the Canadian federal election, 2015. So, would you be opposed to a similar list of candidates on a separate page for Pakistani general election, 2018? // sikander { talk } 19:35, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Sikander: Honestly, it is an overkill to have such a long list of candidates on Wikipedia when we will have candidates with their votes listed on individual constituency pages. To me, that is good enough so I do not think that we need to have a separate page with names of all the candidates let alone have it on main election article. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:40, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown: Yeah, I would absolutely not want to maintain a gigantic list like that, but if someone else wants to do it, then there are existing election pages with all candidates in a table and I don't think users should be stopped from doing so. I suppose my recommendation to user Uzair 161 is to start a new page and keep the main election page clean. // sikander { talk } 19:49, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Sikander A separate page such as List of candidates for Pakistani general election 2018 would be a good idea and they can include a link in the main article somewhere probably in See also section. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Sikander Hope you're doing well. I too agree with Sheriff that we don't really need a list of candidates running for July general election because Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. If we're going to create such a list, we would have to add PA candidates as well which means such a list of all candidates would have to include ten thousands of people, mostly non-notable per WP:BIO. For what its worth, there were more than 15,000 contesting candidates in 2013 as per ECP document and this this news story. --Saqib (talk) 12:07, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey Saqib, I was actually thinking of pinging you when starting this discussion. Maintaining a huge list of all candidates would be tiresome, but if someone wants to do it, they have my blessing. 15,000+ is a bit crazy though and I agree that much data would just be an endless collection of names. Also, user Uzair_161 is new to Wikipedia, so it might not be a good idea to start off with something this big and complicated. // sikander { talk } 12:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Sikander I've no problem if someone wants to create party-wise lists such as "List of PML-N candidates or List of PTI candidates in the Pakistani general election, 2018" but I guess we're talking about "List of candidates for Pakistani general election 2018" which I assume is a general list and should accommodate each and every candidate from each and every party and constituency which does not make sense to me because of the concerns I expressed above. As I said, more than 15,000 candidates contested in last general election and I assume the number would be much bigger this time around. --Saqib (talk) 12:59, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib and Sikander: Any such list would be worthless and would add no value to Wikipedia. I propose adding list of winning candidates to National Assembly of Pakistan page if we do not already do that. I think the whole house should be there. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

List of members of the 14th National Assembly of Pakistan lists all winners. That's a good list covering all the regions and constituencies. Started by Saqib, of course! // sikander { talk } 13:12, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Sure. I've started list the list. Will try to finish it by end of this week. --Saqib (talk) 16:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: Can you bring your draft to main space today? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

It is in draft at Draft:List of MPs elected in Pakistani general election, 2018. Is it a good idea to list both MPAs and MNAs on a single page? --Saqib (talk) 18:19, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: I do not think you need to create one combined list of MPs elected. I was asking if you can bring Draft:List of members of the 15th National Assembly of Pakistan to main space today so we can start filling it in tomorrow? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:42, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

OK sure. --Saqib (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Sheriff--you gotta do something about that paragraph that starts "There is a nexus between judiciary and military to influence and subvert...". You can't just say "there is" without attribution to a reliable source, etc. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: The sources are at the end of the paragraph, let me know what do you think about those, I am adding more though! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

It's not about the sourcing, it's about how it's written up. You can't state it like it's a fact about the natural world. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: Thanks for your advice, I was not sure about it as well whether I have written it in a proper way or not. What do you think about it now, I added the words, It has been alleged in the beginning! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Ride on, Sheriff. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:32, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I am not a new user. Second, if I had not added the sources, then you could have notified me about this. I spent some time on these edits and you have reverted all the changes. I have made all the edits using official lists of Election Commission of Pakistan. If you want, I can send you the link. I do not exactly know how to add references. If you could help me on this, it would be great. My email ID is : hassaan1896@hotmail.com Hassaan1896 (talk) 10:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

@Hassaan1896: It would definitely be a very good idea for you to stop editing for a while and learn how to reference because that is very essential for editing Wikipedia and an editor without the knowledge of referencing is not very useful to the project and ought to create more work for others!

Furthermore, the day you were adding the content, ECP did not have the lists published on their website by that day but even if we assume that they had it then why were you just adding names of candidates of one party, this can be considered akin to giving an edge to one party over others and as akin to serving one party's interests and that is not considered a very valuable trait on Wikipedia! If I have to go add all other candidates then I can add MMA as well, it's not a big effort for me and it would save you a precious edit which you can use somewhere where it is more valuable!

Then, when I reverted you on one page, you continued to edit other pages but instead you could have stopped and left me message like you did now telling me about list on ECP website or could have added text in the summary but should I assume now that you do not know how to add a summary line but know how to edit the page? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

The lists were there already on that day (Friday, 6th July). You can check the date on ECP website on which it uploaded the lists (pdf file) . Well, I was not adding names of any specific party candidates. I was just consulting the lists and removing the parties that were not taking part and correcting the names (if they were wrong or misspelled). There are 10-11 candidates from each constituency. It is not a good idea to add the names of all. I was adding the names of major parties. From a constituency from where some party is not taking part, definitely you have to remove the party's name. And also, you should remove the name of the party unless you mention its candidate in front of it.

I was editing using mobile phone app. That's why, I couldn't get the notifications.

I am hearing about 'summary line' option first time.

I suggest that you should consult the lists and make corrections yourself as it will take time to learn referencing for me and elections are near.Hassaan1896 (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, SheriffIsInTown. A while back, you did a mass reference archive / rescue for the Skinny Puppy article. Thanks for that. I was wondering how you go about doing that, when it should be done, and if it's always a good thing to do. Thanks in advance, CelestialWeevil ^(talk) 04:09, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey there, I can understand your urge to list the names of the winning candidates, but I suggest we should wait for some hours and let the dust settle a bit. --Saqib (talk) 16:19, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: I understand your concern but Amjad Ali Khan has won NA-96 and Imran Khan has won NA-95, there is no way the runners up candidate can surpass the lead. These too constituencies are almost decided. You can consider me a responsible editor, I would not add anything if I am not 100% positive about it. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:58, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I trust you. Go ahead. --Saqib (talk) 17:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

By the way, I prefer not to update the BLP's on winning candidates unless we have verified RS. --Saqib (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

... this Mir Khan Muhammad Jamali is actually Jan Mohammad Jamali but I'm not sure. Whats your thoughts? --Saqib (talk) 00:57, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: They are two different people, Jan Muhammad Jamali was running on Balochistan Awami Party ticket while Mir Khan Muhammad Jamali was running on PTI ticket. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 01:59, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay great. Because the names are bit same, and both hails from Jafarabad District, I reckoned both could be same. --Saqib (talk) 02:07, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

In a recent edit you listed the registered voters under ‘total votes’. The figure you are showing is of registered voters, *not* the total amount of votes. A vote would be a marked ballot paper. маsтегрнатаLк 11:04, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

@Masterpha: Marked ballots are the turnout figure then what is the total vote, I figured it was total registered votes. If your point is correct, is there a box to list total registered voters as this figure changes from election to election and should be listed in the election box for each election! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:27, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

’Election box registered electors’ should do the job: you don’t even need to add the 100, you just have to use the field ‘reg. electors’ instead of ‘votes’: you can check my latest edit on the NA-61 page if you are unsure. Also ‘total’ would be valid and rejected votes together, which is what is used for the turnout figure. маsтегрнатаLк 14:36, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

@Masterpha: Thank you, that is perfect! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:42, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

• @SheriffIsInTown: I suggest you use the talk page before making any content reverts. Please do not edit out what the sources are representing to make the article completely one-sided per WP:NPOV. This is a contentious issue, but we need to present both sides of the controversy here if we want to ensure NPOV. Btw, you are also confusing Chaudhry Nisar with the Chief Justice Nisar! Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 14:46, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Sheriff, I would really honestly suggest that you refrain from further edits like this. Please note that removing sourced content should not be done pre-emptively. Please! Mar4d (talk) 15:00, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mar4d: I request you the samething, your changes are at best border at WP:COATRACK, sources claim totally different account than what you are adding, your changes cannot be allowed just because you are adding the sources with them. Why don't you discuss on article talk page before making those changes? My content was looked at by numerous neutral admins before you started making changes, all I am asking you is to obtain consensus and preserve status quo. Please discuss on article talk instead of my user talk. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you unilaterally removed content when there was no consensus to do so. You also made changes to the lead which are at odds with NPOV and the source material. This is my major contention. Until and unless we resolve this, we can't move further. Please review my comment on the talk regarding presenting a complete rather than one-sided picture. What that means is we include claims of both the contesting parties. My sources (which you removed) one-hundred-percent pertain to the pre-poll allegations. Please also note that there is a difference between fact and allegations, and until there is evidence, we can't present allegations as fact. We should distinguish between both, as this is not the first elections where controversy has erupted. Mar4d (talk) 15:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mar4d: Actually, it's quite the opposite, the content added by me was longstanding, check the page history, I contested your additions right away so you do not have consensus no matter what your claims about sources and NPOV, we can discuss at the talk page and decipher those and then add whatever we agree upon, as for the NPOV, check the page history, the concerns were addressed by Fish and karate and Ivanvector to some extent. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:23, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

@Sheriff: The edits by Fish and karate you are alluding to were made several weeks ago. They do not pertain to the recent reverts of sourced content which is focused entirely on pre-poll allegations, which still need to be mentioned for NPOV. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 15:34, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Mar4d: I've yet to look at the "allegations of election meddling" section but I found no difference in the lead. Are you okay with the lead or you have reservations? --Saqib (talk) 15:50, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: I have reservations not Mar4d, last changes are made by Mar4d, his attempts tone the allegations down with which I am not comfortable, I consider them akin to WP:CENSOR, it's like if we cannot completely censor them, let's tone them down. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:02, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

OK. I'll look at the "allegations of election meddling" section but as I said above I see no major difference in the lead section. Mar4d just relocated a para In the lead up to the elections..... --Saqib (talk) 16:31, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: That relocation makes a major difference, if you don't see a difference then why not accept my version? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:31, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

OK I get it now. Thanks for clearing the things up on the article's talk page. Hope to revert soon! --Saqib (talk) 17:44, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

	The Original Barnstar
	I thought its long due, you deserve this for all the hard-work you put to improve Pakistani articles. Thanks for your contributions. Störm (talk) 19:11, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@Störm: Damn, I was thinking the same thing about you after seeing your recent edits on Imran Khan but you beat me to it, you are doing a great job yourself, keep it up! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:41, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

To enforce an arbitration decision and for your participation at this ANI thread. This editor is heavily involved in the topic area that you are banned from, and your participation there is clearly related to that topic area., you have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions.

If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. Your reason here OR place the reason below this template. ~~~~}}. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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Request reason:

@BU Rob13: Please reconsider your decision as I participated in that AN thread unknowingly that I will be violating my topic ban. I have stuck to my topic ban so far and did not step closer to the subject area. Had I known that I am violating my topic ban, I would never have participated in that AN thread as it was not worth the block. Similarly, I see you blocked three other editors for the same violation, I am pretty sure they were on that thread due to that misunderstanding as well. My misunderstanding was further strengthened by seeing others commenting on that thread who had topic bans and I thought since they are commenting while not being blocked then it must not be a violation. You can see my editing history as this is my first block and that too is due to misunderstanding. Requesting you to unblock as blocks are supposed to be preventative and not punitive and my editing history is a proof that I have more net positive for Wikipedia than negative. These few edits on this thread count for 0.000001% of my overall edits. Sheriff ☎ 911 18:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Accept reason:

I've lifted the block on the understanding that you will remove yourself entirely from this dispute. If that turns out not to be the case, it's likely the next block will be longer, and I will not lift it. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 20:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I may be willing to reduce this to 24 hours provided I get a guarantee from you that your participation in this dispute is over. I understand you do a lot of good work on Wikipedia, but this protracted and ongoing personal dispute between the dozen or so editors (including all those who were topic banned along with you and a few others) has got to stop. It's a complete drain on administrator resources, and your topic ban was placed to stop it. It's at the point where, if you see one of the other editors' usernames, you should probably hit the back button and go elsewhere. The continuous sniping back and forth must stop. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 19:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: I guarantee you that my participation in that dispute is over and I am serious when I say that I did not even know that the dispute is stemming from that topic area as the topic banned editors who participated in that discussion cannot edit that topic area so my understanding was that this has nothing to do with that topic area. I request you to please lift the block entirely if possible so I do not have to wait for 24 hours to continue my editing related to Pakistan election, you can check my editing history as that was the area where I am focused at and I did not even interact with many of editors participating in that discussion. WP:AN was on my watch list due to some previous discussion and seeing this unjustified proposal I got intrigued to comment but had I known that it can be considered a topic violation then I would have refrained from it. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• @BU Rob13: Understood and thank you for reconsidering! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Note for remembrance

• Barely made the block in the eleventh hour of 14 August 2018 at 18:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC) (23:28, 14 August 2018 (PKT)), half hour before the day ended.
• This was a stupid mistake by me to earn my first block this way, I should have used better judgment.

These two are very interesting and important topics. I wanted to start both of them but couldn't get enough time and motivation. I'll try my best to contribute to them but I hope you won't let them become obsolete and outdated. --Saqib (talk) 07:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: I am honestly never sure whether to start a topic or not and same thing happens, others create them and I keep thinking whether it is a good idea or too early. So, I was watching Khan's speech and thinking, man, nobody ever talked to Pakistani nation before and as soon as he finished his speech, Prime Ministership of Imran Khan was up but I was still thinking that the other topic might be too early, let him complete 100 days, see what he does and then decide but after seeing @Nauriya:'s message and some digging, I thought there is a precedent in the case of US, the pages are created the election night or next morning and since his party gave a 100 day plan already which means it is first for Pakistan but we have to start somewhere.

I can definitely use some help, I do not consider myself perfect and neither steadfast enough. As long as, you have a source and content is relevant, just go right at it. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 09:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree with @Saqib: that these articles must be updated on regular basis, as Khan's ministry moves forward. And for that I am up for any help, please let me know, which section or where you need expansion, as I am very good at that. Also, regarding 100 days plan, it is not based on when a party completes it 100 days, rather it is created the very day the leader is elected and as long as the 100 days plan/agenda is there and with substantial references it is good to go. However, it is important to note that, previously such plan is never presented so it is new as well, as compared to US. Nauriya, Let's talk - 14:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Ps: @Saqib: and @SheriffIsInTown: I want you to both see this discussion on keeping the first lead paragraph of Imran Khan article simple.

• @Saqib: @SheriffIsInTown: @Nauriya: I will try and work on a few of these articles in the coming weeks, covering Imran Khan. I have made some expansions on Bushra Imran, Family of Imran Khan and Pets of Imran Khan most recently. I am also tentatively thinking of an article on Imran Khan on social media, similar to some precedents here and here. According to sources: Imran Khan seventh most followed world leader on Twitter. Quite significant in terms of online following. Also, the PTI is also quite well known for its social media antics over the past couple of years... Mar4d (talk) 14:09, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Interesting @Mar4d:. @SheriffIsInTown: The Express Tribune is tracking Imran Khan's first 100 days in office so this page should help you. --Saqib (talk) 14:20, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@Saqib: Excellent source! Mar4d (talk) 14:27, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

If you're telling me to go see pages would you like to visit Mamnoon Hussain,Justin Trudeau and Asif Ali Zardari? Your point is that every human being is the same? Hello my friend this is wikipedia. Excellency is used for head of states my friend and was used for ex head of states too. Please don't revert the edits again and again because your don't have a valid point — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaydbinumar (talk • contribs) 15:33, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Zaydbinumar: I have completely valid point, please do not add it again. These titles are creation of slave minds and against WP:NPOV. It should be removed from other pages as well. I have yet to see a source which addresses Khan as excellency. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:50, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi SherrifIsInTown I have proposed inclusion of authentic view of Imran Khan that "Spread Betting" is not gambling just like "Buying/Selling" stocks. I thing this is encyclopedic value since he in position to make law in Pakistan. Please provide your opinion. It is in talk of Imran Khan. Adl786 (talk) 23:19, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Additions such as this are skirting WP:BLP violation territory. For a statement like that to stand, it would require sources beyond a few news articles that read like opinion pieces. I think it's valid to mention criticism of the subject in the article, but it has to be done in such a way that clearly separates opinion from fact. I don't think your original contribution made that distinction. I found out about this through a request at RFPP. I have tried to reword it. Best, Airplaneman ✈ 08:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

@Airplaneman: The reason why I mentioned that he has "vulgar language" because he used equivalents of f-words on live TV and the sources I included attest to that as one of them put it But there is rude and then there is calling-a-party-leader-a-transgender rude. Not thinly veiled slurs either, but the cuss words of a boys' college playground scuffle. When a public figure uses such language and never regrets or apologizes or accepts that he has done something wrong then we are right to assume that the figure owns what he said and does not care whether his BLP mentions that as well or not.^[1]

Several news stories and a couple of editorials appeared recently in difference Pakistani dailies following the latest twin incidents, brining plethora of details. Sheriff, you may want to dig some news article and see if you can find something of interest to add to this BLP. --Saqib (talk) 13:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Nabil Gabol 2. Just a compulsory notice regarding the editing issues with the article. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

I read your comments on ANI and wanted to thank you and let you to know its always pleasure working with people like you even we have a difference of opinion. --Saqib (talk) 07:24, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for all Pakistani biographies you've been creating recently. I noticed you don't use the {{DEFAULTSORT}} template in these biographies. Is this intentional as defaultsort doesn't apply? I'm not familiar with Pakistani names so I'm not sure if they are all patronymic or if there are first names and last names. If it is the case of the latter, the defaultsort template should be added to the biographies to sort the individuals by the last names in categories per WP:SUR. Bennv3771 (talk) 22:56, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Bennv3771: Most if not all names in Pakistan are petronymic with an optional title of respect being used in the beginning and an optional family surname being used in the end. For example the subject you reviewed Aghaz Ikramullah Gandapur has Aghaz as a given name, Ikramullah is father's given name and Gandapur is a family surname. Then some people do not use father's name at all and add Khan or name of a personality considered respected in Islam or some other name at the place of father's name. For example Malik Sohail Khan uses Malik as title of respect, Sohail is given name, Khan is free form, just used instead of father's name and Kamrial being used in the lead is the family surname. Some people use title of respect at the end of name same as a family surname. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Wow that is confusing, but thanks for the explanation! If I understand this correctly, it seems {{DEFAULTSORT}} would apply to a few of these biographies like Aghaz Ikramullah Gandapur, since Gandapur is a family surname. In that case, it would be adding {{DEFAULTSORT:Gandapur, Aghaz Ikramullah}} such that the article is sorted by his family name, Gandapur. Anyway, I'll leave it to you to decide if WP:SUR applies to any of these bios since you're the expert here compared to me. Bennv3771 (talk) 00:51, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

@Bennv3771: That's not all though, I missed on some twists and turns! 😀 Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

At what point do candidates fall under the “Others” category in the election boxes as per your method? Thanks... маsтегрнатаLк 07:43, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Masterpha: I am using a logic of competitiveness with the candidate right above plus I also try to make sure that "Others" have less votes in total than the last named candidate. For example, if first candidate have 14,000, second has 12,000, third has 10,000, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh all have 3,000 each, I will list all of them as their total combined votes are 12,000 which is more than 10,000 of the last named candidate but if first candidate had 100,000, second had 98,000, third 20,000, fourth 10,000 and fifth 500 then third is not competitive with the second and total votes of last three fall way behind the second place candidate then I will not list those even if I listed candidates with 3,000 votes in other constituency and here there was a candidate with 20,000 votes. 3,000 votes were more competitive to 10,000 votes than 20,000 are with 98,000! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Before it gets archived I think you should be aware of this. Cheers. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:00, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: Damn, many fans of an incompetent editor! 😀 Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Just a heads-up: "platforms" aren't generally used to describe political leanings in the U.S. (and it would be the platform of the Democratic Party, anyway). In Washington state, politicians are elected in nonpartisan elections with party preferences, which they generally are/become members of. Also, all dates should be in MDY format, per U.S. standards. SounderBruce 00:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Also, where are you getting the full name for My-Linh Thai? None of the places I checked (elections results/materials, newspapers) add Thi to her name. SounderBruce 03:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: I got it from an offline reliable source. Anyway, I would like to thank you for expanding the articles, I thought who cares about state reps, I will come back and expand/improve upon them at my own leisure once I am done creating all of them 😀 Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 04:02, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

The 2018 Cure Award

In 2018 you were one of the top ~250 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

@Doc James: It's definitely an honor to receive the medical award by the legendary Doc of Wikipedia himself ☺! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Lifted. See --regentspark (comment) 21:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

The following motion has passed:

-- Amanda (aka DQ) 23:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Just a reminder to give more complete references than just the name of the newspaper. It should be easier for you to do it when writing the article than to add it later. DGG ( talk ) 01:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Appreciate your efforts to create bios on newly elected legislators. --Saqib (talk) 08:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Sheriff, thank you for your recent edits. I just wanted to discuss the removal of PTI from the infobox and the introduction to the 2024 election page. I fondly remember back in 2018 when PMLN had been subject to substantial intervention against them from 'the boys', you were the contributor who had been at the forefront in trying to highlight this intervention against them. You were correct to argue for this, (and I must admit, I was wrong and acting in a politically biased manner when I tried to play this down).

Nevertheless, the pressure that PTI is facing against them is at a level much greater than what occurred in 2018 against PMLN. PTI (more specifically, the factor of Imran Khan) is undoubtedly very relevant to these elections. There deserves, at the very least, to be a mention of this at the start of the page. Thank you for all of your work! маsтегрнатаLк 14:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Mentioning the challenges they encounter amid the context of the backing they've received from “the boys” in the past is acceptable, given that all statements are substantiated by reliable sources. It would be more preferable if it is placed within its dedicated section. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Looking at precedent from 2018, the context of the election with regards to issues like this have very much been highlighted at the page start. маsтегрнатаLк 23:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

It was included post-election, relying on a comprehensive analysis available from credible sources. We can undertake a similar approach once the elections conclude and trustworthy sources confirm that these actions were aimed at influencing the elections. Currently, there's limited evidence supporting this claim; on the contrary, there's substantial evidence against it, such as their involvement in the cypher case and the events on 9th May. Once credible sources highlighting their victimization to keep them away from the election emerge, we can provide a balanced account, considering other prominent cases like the cypher and 9th May incident, Tosha Khana case, iddah, etc. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi there Sheriff! I know of what are you trying to address regarding Gohar's chairmanship but if you look at the Wiki-pages of Party leader and Party chairman, have a look at just what's conveyed their:

• From party leader page: Party Head or leader of a political party, subject to party's constitutional document need not be elected member of legislature and is therefore different from leader of parliamentary committee of a party.
• From party chair page:The role of a party chairman is often quite different from that of a party leader. The duties of the chairman are typically concerned with the party membership as a whole, and the activities of the party organization. Chairmen often play important roles in strategies to recruit and retain members, in campaign fundraising, and in internal party governance, where they may serve as a member of, or even preside over, a governing board or council. They often also have influence in candidate selections, and sometimes in the development and promulgation of party policy.

See? that was thoroughly I was trying to raise a point, Gohar was elected as the official chairman of the party and the party head is quite different term in broad sense! Still, PTI acts according to Imran's direction whether he is in jail! Wallu2 (talk) 12:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

What are the provisions outlined in their party constitution? Is there a distinction made between the roles of leader and chairman? Does it specify that Imran will serve as leader indefinitely, while also establishing a separate position for chairman? Could you provide their party constitution as a reference for this information? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Yikes! Umm.. I guess I should let it go because PTI's constitution thoroughly states on Page 18:

The Chairman will be the leader and head of the party..^[1] Wallu2 (talk) 17:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I recently edited in NA-1 page and you reverted it without any reason. I was adding candidate list for 2024 election and because of your "revert" my edit got erased and I couldn't save candidate list which took me 30 minutes to create Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 20:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I regret if your candidate list got messed up. Unfortunately, I cannot predict people's actions to anticipate their next moves. The edit I reverted only included constituency names that did not match the official ECP constituency names. I provided an explanation for the revert in the summary. There was a valid reason behind it. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I removed parenthesis because of uniform suffix. I request you to secure election pages of Pakistan to prevent vandalism. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 23:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

What is your issue man? You are reverting my edits and creating disturbance. Why are you doing this? My intention is to update articles and instead of working on updating articles you are continuing to revert and change data I enter, which I consider as harassment and creating disturbance. Why? Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 17:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

You don't have exclusive ownership of the articles; anyone can assess your edits and revert them if they disagree. Here are my disagreements/suggestions for you:

1. With elections looming just nine days away, several constituencies boast over twenty-five candidates vying for seats. It's impractical to add all these candidates before election day. I'm opposed to listing candidates pre-election, as many are not notable. Instead, we should await the results and then add the winners, runners-up, and any other candidates with significant votes. The rest can be grouped under "Others." Adding just the selective candidates before the elections violates the principle of neutrality (WP:NPOV).
2. It's crucial to refrain from labeling independent candidates as PTI candidates. This designation does not align with their official status as per ECP regulations.
3. Placing your preferred candidate at the top of the list is not permissible. Some form of sorting, such as alphabetical by first or last name, should be employed.
4. It's inappropriate to selectively invite editors who you believe will support your stance during conflicts with other editors.

Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I am just adding election boxes because It would be a lot of work to add election boxes in more than 800 constituencies during and after elections. It was my first time working during elections. I know I don't own any article in Wikipedia and you also don't own too so don't impose your orders on me.

I added candidates from Form 33 of ECP and candidate who received PTI ticket are added as PTI candidate because he\she is PTI backed Independent candidate. In senate election of 2018 PMLN candidates which received party tickets ran as Independents but they were shown as PMLN in election page of Wikipedia. I know that Wikipedia is an international platform and I am trying my best to be as neutral as possible. I added PTI backed Independent candidates as PTI because they got PTI tickets and after SC decision they automatically turned into Independents but they are still supported by PTI even in news they are labeled as "PTI backed Independents".

According to you if adding election box before polling is against neutrality than I will not add election boxes. There is no preferred candidate. I just added candidates of parties first and then Independents.

I didn't invited any editor I just wanted to know What should I do in this situation. I neither want nor have time to argue with you. I am just here working to update on my country's articles which were not updated by anyone and now when I am working you came and starting to argue. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 18:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Stop Reverting my edits. ECP notifications, Volumes didn't had parenthesis in constituencies. Moreover It is easier to search constituencies without parenthesis. Indian constituencies articles also removed parenthesis from their constituencies which made search a lot easier. I think you have some issue with me. I neither want to argue nor want to waste my time on you. Instead of wasting your energy on some brackets see Karachi Division's districts articles which were moved by someone without any notification or source Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 14:42, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@SheriffIsInTown Please comment HERE on RfC. For history you can see THIS. Ameen Akbar (talk) 17:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Welcome, welcome, welcome SheriffIsInTown! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:55, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Hi, I reviewed your contribution to List of South Korean films of 1974. Note that adding just one reference to one long list does not make the article fully referenced. In these cases, please tag the article with {{more references needed}}. Broc (talk) 22:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I reviewed another of the articles you worked on recently, Bhimbor Deori. Unfortunately, I had to remove the source and reinstate the {{unreferenced}} tag. The article was written using Wikipedia as a source, it does not make sense to use it as a reference in the Wiki page. Have a look at the copyvio report.

Please pay attention to the quality of the sources you are using. Ping me if you need help. Broc (talk) 06:25, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Moreover, if after your edit the article is fully referenced but still relies on one single source, as it was the case here, please tag it with {{one source}}. Thanks :) --Broc (talk) 06:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi it's me again. Hopefully this is the last message ;). I checked Faisalabad Dry Port and noticed you still did not add any maintenance tags even if the page is mostly without references. Once you add a reference, please tag the page appropriately:

• using {{more references needed}} if your source only covers a minor part of the article, and the majority is still unsourced
• using {{one source}} if your source covers all of the article content, but it's only one source.
• using in-line {{citation needed}} if only a few isolated sentences do not have a source.

I would ask you to please go back and check your last edits, otherwise I would have to review them all. As I would prefer spending time reviewing contributions from other users as well, let me know if you can help with this task. Broc (talk) 07:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Broc, I acknowledge your concerns, but the drive's sole requirement was to reduce the backlog of articles lacking references, and adding just one reference met that criterion. However, I'm open to revisiting the articles and adding appropriate maintenance tags where necessary. The only valid concern in my opinion you have is Bhimbor Deori one so once I add a proper source to that article, should I use WP:FEB24 in the summary line again? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reply. Of course the goal of the drive is to reduce the backlog, but we should also strive to keep good quality level on Wikipedia. That means also correctly marking articles that are not properly or not fully referenced, so that other editors will be able to work on them in the future. If you remove the maintenance tags from an article, readers assume it's at a good quality level, which might not be the case. Please tag articles accordingly, it is not a big deal :)

Regarding your second question, I don't know if you should add WP:FEB24 again. If you are unsure, I would suggest you to ask in the talk page of the unreferenced articles wikiproject. I don't think it's a big deal either way. Thanks for helping! Broc (talk) 11:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Deori, If I determine that Wikipedia article is the copy of the Sentinel instead of the other way around, would it be fine to add same source while paraphrasing the Wikipedia text? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Of course not. The article copied from Wikipedia, so it cannot be used as a reliable source. Please make sure to avoid this sort of circular referencing, see WP:CIRCULAR. Broc (talk) 13:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Small follow-up, I was looking at your edits again as you are at the top of the leaderboard of the drive. First of all, thanks for all the effort!

I know I said earlier that you should use {{one source}} if the entire article relies on one single source, but in the case of very short stub articles such as Wazirabad Junction railway station, one source is more than sufficient, without need for further tagging. Thanks again! :) Broc (talk) 22:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

"You cannot just barge in and start changing already established content. It seems as though you are here to unveil history rather distort it in your way since yesterday. There are editors who have been unveiling history for decades here". This is your second comment which is very uncivil. Please stop this behavior or I have to escalate this to admins. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 23:48, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

You have been asked multiple times to not remove sourced information without a WP:CONSENSUS. Please follow that and use talkpages where you disagree. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 13:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Apply that on yourself as well and stop reverting. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not removing sourced information. We have to cooperate please. Thanks. HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 13:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

In bangladesh religion section please edit it again back to old. Irreligion has indeed risen.Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:A75B:7100:20FF:27F7:2C9A:4F31 (talk) 07:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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You've been on a spree of creating articles an MNAs, but have they been officially notified by the ECP yet? Saqib (talk) 21:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Object to something which you, yourself have never done. The last election was on July 25, 2018, and this is the first article you created, which was done on the same day as the election; then, you continued creating articles despite no official notification from the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP). Back then, it was acceptable for you, but now you're questioning my actions. Engaging in a content dispute with another editor shouldn't escalate to bringing it up at ANI and AFD. I didn't anticipate this behavior from you. Once a reliable source reports that a member of parliament is elected, they become notable for an article. If you're unable to contribute in this area yourself, that doesn't justify hindering others from contributing. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Just because a mistake was made in the past doesn't justify repeating it. Mirza Akhtar Baig is not and will never be a winner. His election has already been challenged and you've already created a BLP on him under WP:POLITICIAN. Can you provide one single link to a RS that clearly states "Mirza Akhtar Baig has been elected as a member of parliament." I'm not stopping you or anyone else, but let's avoid engaging in OR while advising others against it. --Saqib (talk) 21:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Dunya News source is in the article which states Mirza Akhtar Baig has won as far as the challenge is concerned, the challenges keep happening months later that does not mean that we should hold off for months and no, that was not the mistake, it was your consistent behavior throughout past elections, you used to start creating articles as soon as any network reported a winner. You created hundreds of articles that way. And per WP:POLITICIAN, you do not need official ECP notification, one reliable source is good enough. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:06, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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I had enough with your behaviour. You should stop reverting my edits for no reason. You are not doing right. Your bullying attitude should be stopped Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 13:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Your comment is very off-mark, I never revert for no reason, I give my reasons in the summary. Disagreeing with another editor is not classified as bullying. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

First you said to restore if it says him PTI backed. When I added source then you reverted it again. What's your problem?

Your attitude is very inappropriate. I am here to work to improve pages and you keep harassing by reverting my edits. I am noticing you are bullying with me over and over again. I don't want to waste my time arguing with you. Do something else useful other then reverting my edits. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 21:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Everyone has different definition of usefulness, countering POV pushing such as yours is useful as well. I started the talk thread on relevant page, instead of participating there, you reverted again. That is not going to help until we resolve the matter with discussion. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

We already have discussed for many days in 2024 Election page and many editors aggreged to add PTI backed Independents PTI-backed Instead of other Independents. So there's no need for discussion. There are 266 National and more than 800 provincial constituencies. Do you want to discuss each constituency? I don't think we can waste this much time on such discussion which already has ended in main election page. Instead of that we should work on adding results instead of restarting already ended discussion. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 21:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

That is totally a different matter plus that change was pushed without consensus, there were many opposing editors. Also, If you would wrongly list results on each constituency page then you will counter opposition on each constituency page which could possibly lead to a discussion. If you have time to add wrong results then you should find time to engage in a discussion with opposing editors. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you think I'm irresponsible to add wrong list? I added result of NA-1 and wish to add results of other constituencies based on Form-47 issued by the ECP and also tallying it to PTI ticket holders as well. In 2024 Election page almost everyone aggreged to add Independents backed by PTI PTI-IND based on National and International Media sources. Constituencies and their results are integral part of election process so there is no need to restart discussion which is already ended just because of your opposition. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

There was no such agreement. Here is the Form-47 issued by ECP, it states Abdul Latif - Azad (Independent), where does it state PTI or PTI-IND or PTI-SIC? They did not run under any such classification. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

What about This This and This? Whole Media is stating PTI-IND/PTI backed independents and all of the people are call them PTI backed Independents. They elected as PTI-IND candidates and now all except their leaders are sitting in assemblies as SIC-PTI. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 22:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

First, you stated, you were following Form-47 when I showed that Form-47 listed them as mere Independent then you backtracked and brought other sources to support your POV but then your revisions do not even align with those sources. There were discrepancies in all of your edits, leading to a conflict. Firstly, categorizing them as PTI-SIC was inaccurate because their alliance didn't exist on Election Day. Additionally, your initial edit lacked a source, leaving it open to objection. Moreover, you substituted PTI for PTI-IND. If you prioritize Dunya News over ECP, ensure to adhere to their interpretation correctly. Any edits with inconsistencies are subject to reversal, and the reverting editor isn't obligated to adhere to your interpretation. When listing PTI gains from JUI, no source supports that claim; it should either be Independent gains from JUI or PTI-IND gains if you prefer as such. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I am taking results from Form-47 and showing PTI backed independents like they are shown in Media sources. It will be misleading for the readers to show PTI-backed Independents as regular independents. PTI-IND has received the highest vote share and became the largest party, we cannot show them as regular independents. I first added PTI-IND but they were not showing PTI party color in election box so I added PTI and added note with he candidate showing "got PTI ticket but running as Independent". I also added the line "he later joined SIC as per party policy". I think it is your favorite topic to argue with every person and waste their time. Even in 2024 Election page when other wikipedians gave sources you still showed opposition. It would be misleading if me and other Wikipedians were adding all independents PTI-backed. PTI-backed Independents had PTI support and PTI vote bank then it is misleading to add them as Independents. In 1988 MQM ran as independents as "Haq prast group" and even in 2018 senate elections PMLN candidates ran as independents but they are still shown as PMLN because they had got PMLN tickets prior to Nawaz Sharif's disqualification ruling of the SC and it would be misleading to add party backed independents as regular independents. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 09:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

In all situations, it's essential to adhere to the sources. You have the option to categorize them as Independents based on the official Form-47, as I prefer, along with adding a note as you've been doing. Alternatively, you can follow Dunya News and label them as PTI-IND. If you opt for the latter, you can add them without specifying a party color, or if necessary, it's your responsibility to find a way to include the party color. Each result you include must be accompanied by a source linking to the result for that constituency, indicating the party affiliation you've added. Adding them as PTI is no option as they did not run as PTI candidates. In the future, please communicate content disputes on article talk page rather than addressing them on my talk page. Also, focus on discussing the content rather than discussing me. Many of your remarks are usually about editors, such as "it's your favorite topic to argue" blah blah. Keep the discussion focused on the content dispute, not on the editor. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Pakistan. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 18:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Daniel Quinlan Can you help maintain the WP:STATUSQUO on that article? The disputed additions were promptly challenged, and numerous editors have expressed objections to them. It's evident there's insufficient agreement to retain them in the article while the consensus-building process is underway. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Multiple editors are involved on both sides of the dispute. I would recommend focusing on resolving the dispute instead of trying to get someone to restore your preferred version. Do not edit war. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 19:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Daniel Quinlan My argument is that the involvement of multiple editors from opposing viewpoints indicates a lack of agreement. It's not about reinstating a favored version; rather, it's about reverting to the version before the dispute arose. These additions can be implemented once a consensus has been reached. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your heroic work copy editing Samuel S. Boyd--I know it's crazy long and I so appreciate your help. jengod (talk) 03:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Gandapur, Maryam Nawaz, Shehbaz Sharif have vacated seats, so we should update number of MP for National Assembly of Pakistan. Panam2014 (talk) 20:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello

I need your help regarding the article List of equipment of the Pakistan Army. There is a user that has been vandalizing the article through continuous reversions and addition of sourceless content. Can you please warn this user or at least do something to prevent them from doing this. Your help would be appreciated.

Regards An Asphalt (talk) 21:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I created an image of the representation of the current seats in the National Assembly of Pakistan, because all other images were outdated, I’m not sure on the accuracy of the seats I’ve shown, I based them on the current sources on Wikipedia. You seemed like the only Pakistani wikipedian I could contact about this. This is the image of the National Assembly, I’m unsure if its accurate: Titan2456 (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I tallied the black dots representing PPPP, and there were approximately 73 or 74, which appears to be the correct count. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I updated it! Titan2456 (talk) 17:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hello SheriffIsInTown and thanks a lot for your in-depth copy-edit of the article Education. I was wondering whether you spotted some general style patterns that I should avoid in future contributions. Some patterns that I saw from your changes:

• replace basic verbs like "is" with other verbs ("Non-formal education is also structured" -> "Non-formal education also follows a structured approach"; "define what good education is" -> "define what constitutes good education")
• avoid that-clauses by using gerund constructions and similar devices ("into levels that include" -> "into levels, including"; "dispositions of educated persons that result from this process" -> "dispositions of educated individuals resulting from this process")
• replace "like" with "such as" ("teaching method, like teacher-centered and student-centered education," -> "teaching methods, such as teacher-centered and student-centered education,"; "International organizations, like UNESCO" -> "International organizations, such as UNESCO")

Were there any other patterns that you became aware of during your copy-edits? Phlsph7 (talk) 18:46, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I appreciate your message. I wasn't focusing on particular patterns; rather, my aim was to enhance the language overall. You mentioned that the previous FAC failure was attributed to weak, jumpy, and choppy prose, requiring tightening up. My intention was to address these issues broadly without specifically targeting any particular patterns. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying your approach. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

On Abdul Aleem Khan (Hyderabad politician), there was already a discussion and a consensus. If you wish to overturn the consensus, talk to the discussion closer first. – robertsky (talk) 04:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Robertsky Additional details emerged following the closure of the discussion. The page was relocated to a new namespace which was not part of the closed discussion. There are no restrictions against relocating articles to a new namespace after new information surfaces. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Saqib (talk) 06:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

While you may perceive my actions as deliberate, I assure you they are not. We're all human and prone to mistakes, including myself. Despite your assertion that I have expertise in BLPs and should know better, I want to clarify that I always act in good faith. I take issues of COI very seriously and have no intention of damaging anyone's reputation by using unreliable sources. It's possible for anyone to misinterpret something, as was the case with TPMM. Additionally, it's worth noting that you mentioned that every reliable source should have a WP article, yet you've just recently used sources on a BLP without WP articles of their own. We all make mistakes, and I still hold respect for your opinions. It's encouraging to have editors like yourself on Pakistani articles who are willing to defend what they believe is right. I never view you as my opponent; in fact, I enjoy collaborating with you and I'm optimistic we'll find a mutually interesting subject soon. Saqib (talk · contribs) 17:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.141.195.113.18 (talk) 18:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I see that you've been copy-editing County of Diez. Much of that work is good. However, in the process, you have removed all the redlinked ill templates. This runs contrary to Wikipedia:Red link and it is very unhelpful. If an article exists in another language's wikipedia, then there is a strong case for havign one on en.wiki too. The ill-redlinks help editors identify where those articles exist and prompt us to create them. They also ensure that, once the article is created, all the articles that should link to it, do link to it. Could you please retain them, in future? Furius (talk) 22:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Furius Sure thing, I will re-add them. I did not know, it will be a big issue. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Furius Restored single instance of each link. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that's greatly appreciated! Furius (talk) 23:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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Great job. It's good to see our Pakistani editors taking on such tasks, I am sure they can be hectic and boring. BTW, if you get some spare time, could you copyedit Maryam's BLP? --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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Buddy, you're not accurately writing the bios of lawmakers (for example Arshad Sahi) elected with the support of PTI. It should be mentioned that they won with the backing of PTI, rather than being labeled as pure independent candidates. This oversight needs to be corrected for accuracy, even if it's uncomfortable. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 06:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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@Moxy Much appreciated! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

If your ever interested in being an admin...I am more than willing to nominated you. ALWAYS LOOKING FOR REAL CONTENT EDITOR AS ADMIN, It's a grilling processes and you will need a week worth of time. Moxy🍁 19:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Moxy I'd be honored, but I doubt I'll be considered because of past conflicts. However, I've noticed a significant backlog in the CheckUser area, and I believe one needs to be an admin to assist with that. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, regarding the recent information I added on Asif Ali Zardari’s page, it is important to keep the information there, as it is the widespread opinion of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and the leader of opposition. There is no need to remove the information as it is a key part of his second presidency, in his first speech alone, Sunni Ittehad Council parliamentarians interrupted his speech called him a corrupt ‘chor’ in the National Assembly. It isn’t just the opinion of Raoof Hasan, and even if it is, Wikipedia serves to highlight all the opinions, not state whether they are right or wrong. I didn’t undo the reversal of my edit, because I do not want to start any conflicts. I hope any past disagreements are solved between us, and the information is added back to Zardari’s page. Titan2456 (talk) 14:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a lot of information you have removed, not only in the second presidency section, but the entirety of the Phenomenon section, I would highly suggest thinking about undoing this. Titan2456 (talk) 14:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

The entire section relied on a single article by one journalist. While I'm not opposed to using the article as a source for specific facts in relevant parts of the article, creating a section halfway through the WP article and naming it after the sourced article seems somewhat out of place. Furthermore, we need to be mindful of it being an opinion piece. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

During the speeches of past presidents, opposition members have always thrown a fit, it has been a norm in Pakistani politics. I did not see anything of encyclopedic value in the content you added. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

It is highly important to highlight the controversy in his current presidency. I can give additional sources to back up the information removed:

https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/vantage-why-pakistans-mr-10-giving-up-his-salary-doesnt-matter-13748915.html

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2458873/pti-says-king-of-corruption-imposed-on-nation

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/imran-khan-calls-presidential-polls-as-unconstitutional-calls-for-nation-wide-protest-on-sunday/articleshow/108355671.cms

https://www.indiablooms.com/world-details/SA/42364/pti-describes-pakistani-president-zardari-as-illegal.html

https://www.geo.tv/latest/539853-pti-dubs-president-pm-illegal-despite-zardaris-call-for-ending-polarisation

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1179796-pti-presented-21-cannon-salute-to-president-zardari-today-barrister-gohar Titan2456 (talk) 14:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

All these viewpoints stem from individuals associated with the PTI. Considering they've been labeling Zardari and Sharif as corrupt for years, what significance does it hold now? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

The page is written in chronological order, so it makes sense to add his current allegations on his current presidency section. Titan2456 (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a platform for political propaganda. By your logic, we now include that PTI interrupted his speech and threw such and such slogans, next time they do that, we include that again since it is in chronological order so we will have to mention their protest and slogans five years in a row, I do not think this has any encyclopedic value whatsoever. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 17:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Is the information I added mentioned elsewhere in the article? Titan2456 (talk) 19:34, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I would understand removing saying he is corrupt over and over again, but his allegations of rigging are specific in this instance. Titan2456 (talk) 19:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

If you do not oppose it, I shall re-add the information of his allegations that are specific to his second presidency. Titan2456 (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear SheriffIsInTown,

I saw Saqib has been very unreasonable towards other Pakistani contributors in Wikipedia, he has been requesting invalid article deletion without warning or contribution in article. His actions are against Wikipedia Harassments WP:HA and Personal Attack WP:NPA polices. He has been Wikipedia:Casting aspersions which can be view at my talk pages and when I ask him to be friendly he started harassing by invalid deletion request and invalid tags adding. Thus I have reported him to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard so Administrator may take action, I request you to please share your thoughts there. Thanks Faizan Munawar Varya ^chat _{contributions} 00:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism of the above mentioned article by an IP An Asphalt (talk) 22:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

It's concerning that you consistently revert my edits without initiating any discussion first. Reverting edits without engaging in dialogue undermines the process of collaborative editing and also gives the impression of WP:OWNERSHIP. I urge you to consider discussing changes before resorting to reverts. Returning to the topic, it's common for public officials to contribute columns and opinion pieces to newspapers. However, we typically refrain from mentioning such contributions. What makes this case different ? —Saqib (talk | contribs) 10:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib What were you up to? Criticize actions you don't engage in yourself. If you don't want changes undone, refrain from deleting sourced content. When it comes to initiating discussions, it's not solely the responsibility of one editor; any involved editor can do so. Your argument about typical behavior is subjective; what's typical for you may not be for others. Just because you typically avoid something doesn't mean I do too; your behavior doesn't dictate mine. The content you're removing is important and should remain. Can you name another judge from either the Supreme Court of Pakistan or any of the five high courts who contributed to media outlets before becoming a judge? Sattar is the only one, which sets him apart. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Well feel free to revert if you notice obvious disruptive behavior. However, if there's no evident vandalism or disruption, it implies there's a content dispute. In such cases, it's important to strive for a discussion on the article's talk page, rather than engaging in reverts. And this isn't the first or second instance, it has occurred several times before, and I believe I've given this advice previously. And, it's not necessary to include each and every detail mentioned in sources. per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I can't recall any specifics but there're several public officials including judges who regularly contribute columns to newspapers. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 13:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

This behaviour seems to be in accordance with Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. It is normally the person being reverted, who is expected to initiate discussion on the talk page. Furius (talk) 14:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib Here, you added everything you found in the sources. The political career section of this first time public office holder is 4,429 words almost half of a any normal country article (just that one section), there, you do not remember WP:TOOMUCH and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I anticipated this might come up again, as it has in the past on this talk page, but it's not a valid excuse. I'll remind you of our this discussion where I requested you to trim-down the BLP, but you didn't seem interested. And also, I disagree with your assertion that I've included each and every detail on this BLP. There's still a lot I haven't added because I deemed it unnecessary and WP:TOOMUCH. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 14:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib In this context, not everything is included; many routine matters such as bail cases are omitted, and only cases with notable impact or involving other prominent figures are highlighted. The disputed content is to make readers aware that the judge has voiced opinions on political and legal matters at various forums. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, SheriffIsInTown. Thanks for your edits at Pakistan. Could you please be better about using WP:Edit summaries regularly with your edits, it makes it much harder to follow along when almost none of your edits at the article have a summary. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mathglot After making the initial edits to tidy up references, I initially included summaries. However, I continued without them, assuming others would understand that my edits followed a similar pattern. Moving forward, I will ensure to include summaries with each edit. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. And sorry for the "Oops" earlier, when I placed this on your user page instead of here. +1 for taking care of it yourself; I'll self-trout, and make sure I don't do that again. Mathglot (talk) 05:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

There're literally hundreds of BLPs on non-notable Pakistani actors created by sock puppets who have now evolved into serial socks and sock farms. Meanwhile, BLPs of notable actors are overrun with promo content and gross violations of WP:OR. Would you like to collaborate on deleting these BLPs on non-notable actors? This seems crucial. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 11:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib Let me know what to add to my watchlist. Voting would be individualized base though. I cannot promise that I will vote delete on all of them. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeking your deletion vote on the BLPs I've AfD'd. I simply want to draw your attention to the BLPs created by serial sock puppets. There are literary hundreds of them. I'll definitely nom. some for deletion in the coming das, but I definitely need your help to expedite the process. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib I guess more appropriate question would have been, how do you suggest I can be of help? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

You can start with reviewing the creations of these two users; BeauSuzanne and Insight 3 —Saqib (talk | contribs) 16:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's time for the sheriff to step in and restore some order. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 17:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I commend your efforts to shorten the Pakistan WP page. It's undoubtedly a challenging task and you've done a commendable job. I've taken the liberty to remove the image of Ali Moeen Nawazish because I don't believe they merit a prominent place on the country's main WP page. Let's consider finding a more fitting candidate whose contributions are more noteworthy for that space. Thank you for your understanding. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib Can you please be more specific why his picture does not merit inclusion? It is the education section and he undoubtedly held a record of completing A Levels in 23 subjects, a world record at that time. Do you know anyone better who performed on his own in educational area without external/international support? Malala's picture was there, she all being a Nobel winner did not achieve anything on her own, it was unfortunate that she was shot but all the fame came afterwards with the support of international community such as Gordon Brown at her coattails, I thought compared to Malala, Nawazish held more credence as he was an achiever on his own accord. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Getting A Levels in 23 subjects sounds impressive and all - but did it really do much for Pakistan? I don't think so. He totally went for it just to grab attention and a place in Guinness World Records. Plus, his BLP reads more like a personal brag than anything else. I don't think we should we give him the spotlight on the country's main page, at the least. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Hi SheriffIsInTown! I wanted to ask something about the article Minar e Pakistan harrassment case. The article I have noted is extremely one sided since many things about the 'victim party' have come out that have cast their case in a dubious light. In fact most people don't believe them now. The article on Wikipedia was very one sided in the 'victim' favour. Since you are an experienced editor can you make a section about the doubts and new evidence that has come in the case. Also most of he information isn't updated. I have noticed that you contributed to the article so i thought to ask you as you are experienced and have been involved in the article. Thanks. Hateglitter (talk) 13:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello SheriffIsInTown. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Zia-ul-Haq, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: @SheriffIsInTown: Hi Sheriff. I have declined this speedy deletion request because, to put it simply, in English language reliable sources, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq is referred to as Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq. "General Zia-ul-Haq" as instead of "General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq" doesn't appear to be the topic of this speed deletion request. If I have misunderstood something here, please let me know Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC). Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Shirt58 To determine the WP:COMMONNAME for General Zia-ul-Haq, you need to search English-language sources specifically for "General Zia-ul-Haq." Searching for just "Zia-ul-Haq" or "Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq" would include results for others with the same name. However, if you prefer, "Zia-ul-Haq" yields twenty times more results than "Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq." It still would have been prudent to delete the redirect to accommodate the move. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The Pakistan Article used to be featured, but it was removed, though I still think it is deserving of a GA nomination, I haven’t worked on it, but you have a lot, so you would be able to nominate it for GA. Titan2456 (talk) 00:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

My intention is to take it to featured article status but that would be premature yet, there is still a lot of work remaining. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

If you need any help, I’m willing to help if you need, just ask. I would really love to have Pakistan as featured. Titan2456 (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

It has been many months since I started working on that article. First, I reduced its length from over 16,000 words to just over 10,000 words through copyediting, without removing any major content—an arduous task. Currently, I am verifying existing sources, replacing them with better ones, reducing source clutter by moving references to the bibliography, and sourcing any unsourced content. Once I complete this process for the entire article, I can consider nominating it, whether for good article status or featured article status. I might be able to nominate it for good article status a bit sooner. This will be my first nomination, so I’m not very familiar with all the intricacies involved. I suppose I’ll learn what additional work might be needed from the feedback after nomination. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on several pages. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Instead of reverting the whole revision, try to dispute the parts of revisions. At one instance, you removed the structure that is recommeneded on wikipedia to mask your dissaproval on removal of biased language regarding your favoured politicians.

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how to contact for a misinterpretation being added in a article.youre contact email or something World No 1 Record (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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Happy Eid! Here's something for you. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@Titan2456 @Saqib Thanks and Happy Eid to you as well. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Muzzammil Aslam is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muzzammil Aslam until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Hello! You have rolled back my edit considering it WP:OR. But I literally added the PTI-independents results of the 2024 elections, which are in the articles about these elections, with sources there. What did I do wrong?  PLATEL  (talk) 22:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

They did not stand as PTI candidates; instead, they were permitted to run as independents initially and subsequently joined SIC. The situation remains fluid following the SCP ruling. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 23:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but then why are they listed in the pages of those elections as "PTI-independents" and I why can't add their result to the PTI article? although I did it along with adding a note that it is not the party's result but the result of PTI-independents.  PLATEL  (talk) 00:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

If other pages contain incorrect information, that doesn’t justify adding the same errors to other pages. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

But why do you think they all contain incorrect information, but not revert or change it? Why do you only do that when I edited PTI page? Why do you first say I did WP:OR, and then say I just added incorrect information? I honestly don't understand.  PLATEL  (talk) 00:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Everyone here is a volunteer editor, so I'm not sure which articles you're referring to. Additionally, I don't know if the articles in question are under my supervision, so I can't explain why incorrect information was allowed to remain. By the way, original research often contains inaccuracies. Furthermore, none of your additions included reliable sources. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 01:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay. So if I use the same sources that are listed in those articles, you won't mind if I revert my edits?  PLATEL  (talk) 10:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

@PLATEL Yes, definitely include sources to support the content you are adding. We cannot overlook the need for sources, especially when dealing with contentious matters. I cannot confirm that sources on other articles support the content without thoroughly examining them. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

SheriffIsInTown, I'm surprised to hear that you're claiming that other pages contain incorrect information. Please don't disregard others' contributions because of your POV. Have you checked this out? --— Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib You need to put that source in context, there are ifs and buts, I see you reverted me on PTI page, can you please add reliable sources which support that content as I see there are no sources accompanying the content. I cannot speak about other pages and don’t have time to look at them. All I see at this time is that the contentious edit on PTI article is missing reliable sources. Let us start with that and then we will see how to move forward from there. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello - We shouldn't allow someone to use WP for self-promotion therefore I reverted your edit. DJ Kamal Mustafa themselves added this content as you can see here and here. And as I mentioned here, DJ Kamal Mustafa, the producer/director of this short animated film, has been attempting to promote himself and his work for quite some time. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@Saqib I see no evidence that those accounts are linked to the person you claim. Additionally, I have no connection with that individual and find the information to be credible and backed by reliable sources, which is what Wikipedia requires. Please refrain from reverting sourced content. It appears you are acting egotistically and targeting people, which goes against Wikipedia's collaborative spirit. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

I see no evidence that those accounts are linked to the person you claim. DJ Kamal Mustafa is indeed Devoter and Memon KutianaWala; the evidence has been submitted to ArbCom. Who said you've any connection with that person? I never said that. . It appears you are acting egotistically and targeting people, I understand we've disagreements over various topics, but that doesn't mean you should make such assumptions. As I highlighted here and here, DJ Kamal Mustafa has been trying to use WP for self-promotion for a considerable period, since 2015. Why are you overlooking this fact? Concerning this specific edit which you restored, it describes the movie as "official." Is that accurate? The text itself is highly promotional (some part has been removed by Drmies). This is just some ROTM short film being featured on a high-importance article, which I find completely inappropriate. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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Here’s the proof: https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/icc-confirm-women-s-t20-world-cup-expansion-to-16-teams-in-2030 Pkr206 (talk) 13:13, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SheriffIsInTown,

I don't know why you want to move this article to a different spelling of this subject's name as the current page title reflects the content of the article. I won't move an article to an alternative spelling if this isn't how the subject's name is spelled in the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Liz It is changed now, I kept it for consistency until the page was moved. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 01:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry but there is no administrative division in China more populated than Punjab, Pakistan. Guangdong has 1 million less than Punjab, Pakistan. Only Uttar Pradesh in India has more people. 2A02:1210:5408:A000:5AE:9779:C9D1:FF96 (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a source for your changes, and there won't be any issues. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

According to the official website of Pakistan Sports Board, this footballer has been awarded Tamgha-e-Imtiaz but Dawn has reported him being awarded with the Pride of Performance. Not sure if that was a typo in the latter but I have put both on his article. Is there any way to verify, or is there any list of the recipients of the PP. Throwawayjamal047 (talk) 01:51, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Why are you reverting edits on page of Usman Awaisi ? Do you own the page or know him ? I don’t understand why you are reverting it. Ghareer (talk) 01:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ghareer You're not providing any sources to back up your changes. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 01:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for clarification. It’s my first edit. I know him personally. He instructed me to edit. Source is his linkedin profile. Does that work ? Ghareer (talk) 01:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Even the name spelling of Owaisi are incorrect on wikipedia. It should be awaisi source https://na.gov.pk/en/profile.php?uid=1782 Ghareer (talk) 01:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ghareer If you know him personally and he asked you to edit his page, then you have a conflict of interest. You should avoid editing his page, and no, LinkedIn is not an acceptable source. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 02:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Ghareer (talk) 02:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I found one article for your reference, please take a look.

https://thefridaytimes.com/27-Feb-2024/making-the-case-for-south-punjab-as-a-separate-province-ending-divisive-politics-for-reform?version=amp Ghareer (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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@SheriffIsInTown this tag is new to me. I understand there are two ways to specify the WP of the respective province for Pakistan. One is the method you have used here, which works with Sindh, and the other is by directly using WP:Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Punjab is cross border, GB has no own WP, and Balochistan has the same issue like KP has here. While your approach is great, it seems KP/Balochistan are not displaying properly. I would love to see a unified way and happy to contribute. Crosji (talk) 05:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Dear @SheriffIsInTown, thank you for activating Wikipedia:WikiProject Balochistan, Pakistan and all the help. I am learning a lot from you. Tribal Explorer (talk) 05:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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I am Qazi Muhammad Asad Khan, a former Minister of Higher Education in Pakistan and i served as a member of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa assembly for two terms. I don’t see my Wikipedia page anymore. In fact there was a link earlier which offered it as follows; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qazi_Muhammad_Asad_Khan. Here are my profile's Government Link: https://www.pakp.gov.pk/members/qazi-muhammad-asad-pk-50-2008/ other Notability links https://www.dawn.com/news/1760312 https://tribune.com.pk/story/476811/reforms-under-spotlight-education-ministers-look-back-at-past-achievements / https://www.samaaenglish.tv/news/amp/355686 . Please see if you can help to draft the article. Qmapk (talk) 18:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Qmapk I may be able to work on it in October. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your hard work on Pakistan article. Your dedication is very inspirational. Wikibear47 (talk) 14:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Wikibear47 I appreciate your kind gesture! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Please be more cautious. For instance, it is never correct to copy edit quoted text. If the original made mistakes sobeit -- but that has to be left. Also, on clearly technical pages it is not advisable to edit unless you have sufficient technical expertise in the area. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

N.B., I clicked revert on the wrong edit, and reverted a change you made to the lede when I should have reverted the edit to the quote. Apologies. Ldm1954 (talk) 23:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. @SheriffIsInTown... Can you rewriting and copy editing article pages Frontline Pilipinas, Eat Bulaga!, ASAP (TV program), Magandang Buhay, It's Showtime (Philippine TV program), Goin' Bulilit, RCTI, NTV7, Channel 8 (Singaporean TV channel), GMA Network, Ogie Alcasid and Jay R, please....??? Because these articles may be need to fixing grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling. Thanks, mabuhay and maraming salamat, po..... 2001:448A:1020:3F01:112C:511D:68E2:1BFA (talk) 08:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For improving Ciglane. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 16:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@I dream of horses Much appreciated! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. @SheriffIsInTown... Can you rewriting and copy editing article pages Siti Zainab??? Because this articles may be need to fixing grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling. Thank you and have a good day Dorothy Schnapp (talk) 02:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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	Thank you for improving the GPT Store article. Cheers. Marcocanol (talk) 08:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Marcocanol Much appreciated! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 10:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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		Thank you for your work improving the 3-feet law page! Galaxy111 (talk) 00:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Galaxy111 Thank you! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Sheriff!

I see you revereted changes and I appreciate you leaving a note that the language was not upto the standards of Wikipedia.

Do you suggest I make the edit again and send it to you so you review and I can publish it again. Kindly guide. Kanwar Faizan (talk) 16:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

The 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest has come to a close! After a thrilling finish to the event with a slew of submissions on the final day, we have our winners. With 608 points, Thebiguglyalien (submissions) comes in third with his series of Kiribati and Botswanan submissions; BeanieFan11 (submissions) flies into second place at the last second with 771 points after a string of good articles about sportspersons; and after leading for much of contest's three months, Generalissima (submissions) finishes with a whopping 798 points to take home the Gold Belt Buckle. Congratulations to our winners!

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Hi Why a seat is vacant? Panam2014 (talk) 21:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Titan2456 (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 19:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, nearly all of results of Pakistan Provincial seats that i made election boxes for have been vandalized by a few accounts you have restored a few to there original versions but they are still being vandalized can you please rollback these edits and block accounts that are involve in vandalism please

@Sultanify05 I’d like to help, but I’m currently swamped with other commitments and barely have time for personal life or creating new content. I’m maintaining the NA articles—perhaps you could take on the PA articles? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

would like to take care of PA articles but don't have roll back powers yet Sultanify05 (talk) 14:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Subdivisions of Pakistan is not the appropriate category. The other articles in that category are "type" articles such as Districts of Pakistan. The other similar subdivision articles such as Sindh and Punjab, Pakistan are in Category:Provinces of Pakistan, which is a subcategory of Category:Subdivisions of Pakistan. The category I put Gilgit-Baltistan in is appropriate because Gilgit-Baltistan is not a province but the Category:Disputed territories of Pakistan (a subcategory of Category:Subdivisions of Pakistan) also contains other disputed territories such as Azad Kashmir and Junagadh, neither of which is a province but is claimed as a subdivision of Pakistan. This categorisation makes it clearer that Gilgit-Baltistan is both a subdivision and a disputed territory. Gedrose (talk) 11:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

It wouldn't hurt to occasionally just talk to someone before reverting their edits and starting a deletion discussion. It also doesn't hurt to leave a note on someone's talk page to let them know of the deletion discussion. Gedrose (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gedrose I aim to discuss when necessary, but it’s not practical to engage in discussion for every revert I make. According to WP:BRD, a bold edit may be reverted without discussion. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gedrose There is an ongoing discussion about the newly created category at CfD, and I’ll leave its future to the community’s decision. However, I continue to oppose applying it to articles on Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, and similar topics. Instead, I support using Category:Territorial disputes of Pakistan along with Category:Administrative units of Pakistan. I believe Category:Subdivisions of Pakistan is not appropriately named and should be renamed to “Administrative units” and directly applied to the AJK and GB articles, as they are, in effect, Pakistan’s top-level administrative units. Categories for provinces, divisions, districts, tehsils, and union councils could then be made subcategories within the AU category, with further drill-down for each level (e.g., Divisions of Pakistan could include child categories like Divisions of [top-level AUs]). But under no circumstances should a “Disputed territories” category be used. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I agree with most of what you've written here. The entire category tree was very mixed up and confusing. I've tried to reorganise it in a more logical order similar to what you've suggested here. I've speedy closed the discussion, redirected the category and created a new Category:States and territories of Pakistan, which matches one of the official categories listed in the Constitution of Pakistan. I just don't think we should have the provincial articles on the subdivisions category but in the provinces category. Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltustan and the capital territory don't fit into the provinces category but I think they can fit in the states and territories one. Gedrose (talk) 16:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

You are part of a DRN discussion regarding a dispute here: Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf Titan2456 (talk) 15:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Titan2456 (talk) 20:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

To answer your question, the filing of a case at WP:ANI does result in the closing of a case at DRN. We do not discuss a dispute about content of an article and a dispute about conduct at the same article at the same time. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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