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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:23, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

Hey @SportingFlyer. Your wiki edit anniversary is today, marking 20 years of dedicated contributions to English Wikipedia. Your passion for sharing knowledge and your remarkable contributions have not only enriched the project, but also inspired countless others to contribute. Thank you for your amazing contributions. Wishing you many more wonderful years ahead in the Wiki journey and a happy 2026 ahead. :) -❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 14:40, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for adding the Aeromexico cites. Just a wee heads up - when you add named cites, using a format like <ref name="economistamx050525"></ref> causes errors - instead, it's best to use a self-closing tag, like <ref name="economistamx050525"/>. Hope that helps :-) Danners430 _{tweaks made} 18:03, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

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As a warning, do not join an edit war to restore unsourced content again. Policy is crystal clear that unsourced content can be removed by any user at any time, and to restore it requires a citation. If the members of a WikiProject think its content is special and can't be removed, I have no problem with blocking members of that WikiProject until they learn that this is not true. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:42, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate: I don't appreciate this warning. Restoring the content improved the encyclopaedia by making the information complete again, and after the content was restored, I worked to source as much of it as I could in the time that I had, and will continue to work on this as I can. An additional problem is the latest RfC controversially increased the amount of sourcing necessary to prove WP:V in this topic area (I don't believe the sourcing part of the conclusion was justified by the discussion, but the review of the close no consensused.) SportingFlyer T·C 07:21, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

Apologies for the full scale revert - I tried to unpick the Aeroroutes references, which as you know aren’t reliable sources, but it turned into a mess. Not sure if it’s how the diff viewer is presenting the diff to me, but it wound up being all kinds of messed up. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 10:59, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

@Danners430: Please just ping me next time. I don't use Aeroroutes, but I copied in the information from the last stable destinations list and overlooked two of them. SportingFlyer T·C 11:03, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

Ah that makes sense - didn’t ping primarily because I forgot there was already an open discussion on the article talk (it had dropped off my watchlist). Apologies again :) Danners430 _{tweaks made} 11:05, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

Hi there,

I'm leaving this message because you contributed to the recent RfC regarding the inclusion of airport destination lists. As promised, now that that RfC has closed, I've initiated a further discussion about the sourcing standards to be applied to these lists.

If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please do so at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Airport destination lists - sourcing requirements.

Cheers! Danners430 _{tweaks made} 15:41, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

Thank you so much for reviewing the Cherie Lily draft. You seem to be wanting to know the three most notable references for the article, and I am having difficulty choosing, as there are many good ones, and they span a few different subcultures and realms of Lily's work. I will do my best to highlight 3, but hopefully you'll forgive me for reinforcing them with others.

1. A feature in Out Magazine. I'm referring to the "Need to Know" one, although my draft also references song review, a show review, and a video interview published by this outlet, which is both in print and online (and at one point, televised). I am citing Out's insistence that people "need to know" Lily because this outlet is one of the most important ones in the US focusing on LGTBTQ culture, period. You can Google "most prominent LGTBQ magazines in the USA" and Out will be near the top of the list every time. Also towards the top of such lists is Queerty, which has mentioned Lily regards to collaboration with Cazwell and Amanda Lepore (both of whom have their own Wikipedia pages).
2. Interview/workout/music video feature on Here TV's Just Josh. Again, a Google search for top LGBTQ television channels in the USA will have Here TV near the top every time. The citation is a pretty in-depth, televised interview driven by Lily's creative output and persona (as well as her fitness career). The network also featured her on three episodes of their show Threesome. She also had a speaking (and vomiting!) role on the IFC (American TV channel) program Food Party.
3. Billboard Magazine feature on Kevin Aviance's new album. It was hard to choose between this and the Vice photo-feature on Lily's own album release party. Again, I'm sure you don't need telling that Billboard and Vice are among the biggest music magazines in the country, next to Rolling Stone. And Kevin Aviance is a major drag and club music celebrity, famously sampled by Beyonce, who is the world's biggest R&B singer bar none. I am choosing this article because not only is Lily the founder of the label that published the featured album, but the article goes into depth to say highlight Lily's musical contributions as producer and co-writer of the single "Bloodlines." She is quoted in the article, giving background to the song's creation. Given that the album is just a few months old, the recency of the article should show sustained notoriety over time for Lily. Any list of most prominent music publications in the US will also mention Pitchfork, which published a video depicting Cherie Lily participating in the recording sessions of Lee "Scratch" Perry's Grammy-nominated album. The first reviewer also mentioned that I should rely on Time Out (magazine) (another print and online publication), which debuted one of Lily's songs, and recommended her her live shows. Bonus: Lily as part of Andrew W.K.'s band on Conan. She is also featured prominently in the music video for the song being performed, but I have not referenced it as I am trying to go lighter on Youtube references, per other reviewers' feedback.

There are perhaps other references that I have chosen instead of these, and I have a few more secondary sources to slot in if I need to, but I really think the above references communicate a pivotal creative presence both onstage and behind the scenes. Lily's story is fascinating, culturally consequential, and ongoing. I very much appreciate your time and attention to this matter. FogleMorplethorpe (talk) 18:08, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

@FogleMorplethorpe: The first source might be okay. The second one I can't access, there appears to be a geoblocker. My problem with the third article is that it's not significant coverage of her, it's just a passing mention. Same with the photo essay - it suggests she's notable, but I'm not sure it demonstrates notability. Same with the Time Out articles - they are very short. Being quoted doesn't really help on Wikipedia for notability - the gold standard is what others (secondary sources) say about the subject. For instance are there any reviews of her music you could find, especially ones that are a step removed from her/don't interview her? I apologise if I seem like I'm being strict here, I just want to make sure that if it's accepted, that the article won't be deleted. SportingFlyer T·C 18:29, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

I was working on a response here and accidentaally published it (I was trying to do a non-spaced line break. I will finish it but just removing it for now.FogleMorplethorpe (talk) 17:32, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Hello - apologies for the delay. I appreciate your thoroughness. While we were having a dialog, another reviewer came in and rejected the submission. You can read their reasoning here, and you can read an exchange, which the reviewer dropped, over here. I'll be blunt, honestly seems to me that the reviewer is working through a digital translator.

In summary: Their contention is that all of the sources were related to Drag Race and her notoriety follows from her association with that show. This is false on its face. While most of Cherie's clients on the business of her career were on that show, most of the music and musical collaborators discussed in the draft have nothing to do with it, as I already put in my notes to reviewers in the talk section of the draft. I very clearly explained to this reviewer that Cherie's work for Drag Race contestants is through her role at a company called Voss, and only 7 out of the 71 sources I've cited refer to this aspect of her career and notoriety. The majority of my sources are about her own contributions as a musician, producer, and creative persona, as well as fitness which relates to all of the above, sort of her angle.

Note: The draft I wrote discusses a period starting in 2006. Lily didn't begin her employment with Voss, the company the represents the Drag Race contestants, until 2019. Most of my sources are from before then.

Now to your concerns:

-Here is HereTV's official reposting of the Cherie Lily Segment. It is also available to view on AppleTV.

-As to the Billboard article, I would contend that it is more than a passing mention as she is quoted and the track that she produced is listed as a stand-out, with 3 paragraphs out of the article dedicated to it. A similar, but perhaps less visible citation, would be this article on the album from Variety Magazine, which also quotes Lily. Just an FYI, Kevin Aviance is a notable (non-Drag Race affiliated) artist who was sampled by Beyone in recent years. Also, with the TimeOut articles, agree that the concert listings are short, but I'd contend the one article that debuts her song is arguably biggish deal, given that it was in print and online for a pretty important NY publication.

Nonetheless, if you are looking for more pieces of substantial coverage specifically on Lily or her work, here are some citations in the draft that I haven't mentioned in my previous message to you (**indicating publications that are both online and in print):
Buzzmusic** article on Cheries 2025 remix for Amanda Lepore
Get Out!** article on "Kiss My Lips" single
GayCalgary** article on "Body" single
Get Out!** article on "Shade Served" single
National Post** (Canada) interview (haven't added this one yet)
Broadway World article on Cherie's Werk remix Ep
The Upcoming feature on Cherie
Splice Today article on Cherie
Mizz Fit feature on Cherie
EQ feature on Cherie
True Hollywood Talk on Cherie's "Shade Served"
Electro Wow article on "Shade Served"

Shorter, high-visibility articles focusing on Cherie:
Alternative Press** review on Dripping Wet EP
Xex Magazine** article on the Werk release party (same event Vice covered)
Xex Magazine** article on "Body" single
Impose Magazine article on Cherie release party
Out article on Cherie concert (not the same as the Out article I sent earlier - this is an in print article but I don't believe this article was in print)
Instinct Magazine piece on "Body" (ditto)

More TV apart from the HereTV feature: Out Magazine TV show (Out Presents) episode with another 10 min interview of Cherie
3 Episodes of Threesome with Cherie as featured guest - 1 2 3 - also on AppleTV
Cherie as Virgin Mary on Food Party
Cherie on CBS News Cherie as part of Andrew W.K.'s band on Conan (big deal)

Cherie mentioned or quoted in big articles on her affiliated project (not including the Billboard or Variety ones mentioned above):
Guardian article on Andrew W.K.
Cherie in a Pitchfork mini-doc recording the Grammy-nominated Lee Scratch Perry album
Interview Mag on Amanda Lepore music
LA Weekly scene report featuring Cherie show
LadyGunn article on Amanda Lepore and Cherie
Out feature on Cazwell song
Out Traveler article on Voss
Queerty rundown featuring Cherie song
Resident Advisor anthems listing featuring Cherie's song
Gayety article on Kevin Aviance song
Scholarly article calling Cherie an "icon of the gay scene"

My hope is to make a few adjustments, including a few more miscellaneous citations, maybe some clarity so that people don't think it's all about Drag Race for whatever reason, and hopefully the draft will be reviewed by someone more considerate than the person who most recently denied it. I welcome any of your thoughts and am grateful for your time.

FogleMorplethorpe (talk) 19:21, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Hello,

I already repaired as you suggested. Can you check me again and reply to me what I want. Thanks. ZyTun (talk) 03:01, 9 February 2026 (UTC)