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@Stifle I assume you meant to redirect the AfD'd article 2025 Toluca Cessna Citation III crash to the proposed target Toluca International Airport#Accidents and incidents? It's currently circular. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 14:12, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

Dang, I goofed up there. I'll fix it right now. Stifle (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

No worries, thank you. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 14:15, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

Hi there,

I'm leaving this message because you contributed to the recent RfC regarding the inclusion of airport destination lists. As promised, now that that RfC has closed, I've initiated a further discussion about the sourcing standards to be applied to these lists.

If you wish to contribute to the discussion, please do so at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Airport destination lists - sourcing requirements.

Cheers! Danners430 _{tweaks made} 15:41, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Mo Shaikh. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. NBruns (talk) 15:19, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

The redirect Template:Cleanup-since has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 January 23 § Template:Cleanup-since until a consensus is reached. 8BitBros (talk page • contributions) 07:01, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

Looks like you closed the wrong page. I think it's the emdash. Was trying to figure out why the bot hadn't closed the deletion discussion notice. Esolo5002 (talk) 22:23, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. Yeah, when pages get moved during AFDs the closure scripts can screw up. It looks like it's been fixed now. Stifle (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

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You suggested at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of version-control software to create a centralized discussion on the merits of "comparison of X" type articles. Where should such discussion be created? Could you create it? Dncmartins (talk) 13:00, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

Unfortunately I do not have the bandwidth to assist, but you will see some general guidance at WP:CD. Stifle (talk) 08:54, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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HI, I see you've just closed the above discussion. Are you OK to re-open so I can cast a !vote in it? FOARP (talk) 14:52, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I closed it 6 hours ago and it had been open for the requisite time. I don't think it would be appropriate to reopen. (I also don't think one more !vote would have tipped the result in any direction.) Stifle (talk) 15:36, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I take note that it was, at the time of closing, three deletes, three keeps, and two redirects, so I'm not sure that's true. There's a very good chance, for example, that the three delete !votes might also support the redirect position if asked - I would like the opportunity to ask them about this. For example, if the three delete votes, plus my own !vote, supported redirection, then it would be (at least numerically) conclusively in favour of redirection.

Would it not be a good idea to give people a chance to reach an actual consensus here? There's no harm in trying anyway. FOARP (talk) 15:49, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

(Pinging @Nfutvol, Rosbif73, and Pppery: so that they can confirm my understanding that, were this discussion reopened, they would also be able to support redirection as an outcome, and as such re-opening could deliver a consensus for redirection) FOARP (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

These arguments could have been made during the week-plus the AFD was open. It is highly unusual to reopen AFDs because someone didn't !vote in time, and I do not see this as a case where doing so would be appropriate. I decline to do so.

Redirection is however an editorial action and does not require an AFD, so you are within your rights to seek to gather a consensus for it on the article talk page. Normally I would also say you could use WP:BB but given the sensitivity around this type of article that might not be wise. Stifle (talk) 17:21, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I would certainly prefer redirection to the status quo. I have no particular preference as to the method of achieving consensus for that; reopening the AfD would have had the advantage of an uninvolved closer though I fully appreciate that it would be unusual to do so. Let's pursue this at Talk:List of Lufthansa destinations. Rosbif73 (talk) 20:34, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

I see that editors are citing WP:DESTNOT, which redirects to an outdated consensus. Courtesy pinging @Danners430 to find out whether their most recent RfC has concluded. It may be time to update DESTNOT.

@Stifle, closing as NC after one week is a bit premature. If a consensus hasn't yet formed this early on, a relist or two could achieve one. This should not have been closed without a single relist. 11WB (talk) 18:27, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

WP:RELIST states "relisting should not be a substitute for a no consensus closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive discussion, and disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, but consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable", and that is what I followed.

In any case, we are now over two weeks out from the end of the discussion. It would be inappropriate for me to change my closure now, even if I had been convinced the closure was deficient (which I am not). Stifle (talk) 08:55, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

I didn't notice the timestamps of the messages until after I posted that. My point on DESTNOT should be considered though. As an aside, once I reply to a discussion I automatically subscribe, so I would have seen your reply without the need for a secondary talk page notice. @Danners430 should probably reply over on my talk page so as to avoid continuing necroposting this discussion. Cheers. 11WB (talk) 09:02, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

I will leave you to that discussion. I personally think that the seeming crusade to rid Wikipedia of destination lists is mistaken and even harmful, but I do not have the capacity to contribute materially to it.

(If you automatically subscribe to discussions perhaps you could put a brief header saying so on your talk page, as I have in the past also been criticised for replying only here. There is no convention.) Stifle (talk) 09:10, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I'll add it to the red box I currently have displayed. I was unsure whether you had a user script that automatically posts that notice, as I've also seen them on other user talk pages. 11WB (talk) 09:33, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

I'd love to know why that ping never went through - I just stumbled upon this in my watchlist...

No, there is no change in the position with regards to notability of airline destination lists - that RfC closed with No Consensus. The current RfC purely and only relates to the sourcing requirements, specifically whether to overturn the consensus regarding the banning of primary sources in these lists. As far as I'm aware, normal WP:NLIST requirements apply to standalone lists - where there aren't sufficient non-primary sources available, it should be merged into the main article. Please correct me if I'm incorrect in this thinking! Danners430 _{tweaks made} 16:26, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Oh... well that's not great to hear. I had hoped a resolution would have formed. Whilst I'm here momentarily, I'll take the opportunity to apologise to @Stifle for necroposting this already ended discussion. My comment on the close they enacted, whilst I believe is fair, was not necessary, as this was a resolved matter. I'll take more care to observe timestamps in the future when passing through the talk pages of other editors. 11WB (talk) 17:13, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, it is what it is... the nonsense continues... I think I'm now up to having three threads open at ANI at the same time, and all of them go back to airport articles... Danners430 _{tweaks made} 17:16, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Stifle. Are you interested in reinstating the inder semi-prot that used to be imposed on Rolf Harris? Vandalism from TAs has been a consistent presence in the revision history since you unlocked the page last year as a WP:TRYUNPROT experiment. Giovanni Potage (talk) 16:14, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

I actually unprotected the page last year because the protection was based in BLP and he had ceased to be L. That being said, I see there is sufficient cause to reinstate semi-protection and I have done so. Stifle (talk) 17:58, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! Giovanni Potage (talk) 17:59, 18 March 2026 (UTC)