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Howdy The Account 2, it's Yue. Just stopping by to wish you and your family and friends a Merry Little Christmas and a Happy New Year! Thank you for your contributions to the project this year, and your coverage of all things China. Here's to even better work from us in 2026!
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Thank you!! Merry Christmas to you too again! Here's to more happy editing next year. The Account 2 (talk) 07:33, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot!!! Merry Christmas to you too! The Account 2 (talk) 09:07, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and thanks for your excellent work translating Chinese Wikipedia articles into English. If you have any spare time, this would be one that I would be grateful to have translated. - Amigao (talk) 17:54, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Amigao!! Merry Christmas to you too. I'll check up on it. The Account 2 (talk) 17:57, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

I created the article here: Excellent Journalism Award. @Amigao The Account 2 (talk) 12:45, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

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Thanks for creating this page. Xi is particularly important, but as ever the question is whether or not a stand-alone daughter page for the main article is needed. The relevant section is a little long, in proportion to this article, but is perhaps justifiable. The main article is too long to accommodate a full merge in from this page.

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Klbrain (talk) 21:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

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I've tried to write a "model" section on communist state politics in the Laos article. I will try to add a paragraph about the transmission belt organisations, but otherwise I feel it is good. I am thinking the Chinese article could be structured similarly: what do you think? TheUzbek (talk) 09:08, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Yeah it looks pretty good, though in the China article case I think the section can be a bit vaguer (considering how long the article already is) but otherwise good work! The Account 2 (talk) 09:15, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

I agree, and the China section is quite good.

The only thing I am a bit skeptical about is the following: "The PRC officially characterizes itself as a democracy—more specifically, a whole-process people's democracy." The state constitution says democratic centralism, and what is whole-process people's democracy other than a PR stunt that seeks to renew the image of democratic centralism? TheUzbek (talk) 09:24, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes I agree, I think that can be reworded. I think its still important to note PRC considers itself as a democracy, as I've seen some people mistakenly say that PRC doesn't "even pretend to be a democracy". From a rough search, the Party seems to view whole-process people's democracy as very closely interlinked with democratic centralism as you can see here. It seems the Party states that democratic centralism is the method through which a whole-process people's democracy is built. I think you can clarify further. The Account 2 (talk) 09:40, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

My reading of that article is that whole-process people's democracy (WPPD) is democratic centralism in practice. Democratic centralism is the system, the mass line the method, and WPPD is the term used to describe when Chinese governing institutions interact with the people and produce popular participation. Do you follow? Its hard to decipher all these terms: they make them sound as vague as possible. But I don't see how this can be understood in any other way than rebranding. TheUzbek (talk) 09:52, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that's my reading as well. Probably important to emphasize democratic centralism the most. The Account 2 (talk) 09:55, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Last note. What they refuse to say (and what they should say, I believe) is that the intention of the WPPD is to strengthen the orderly public participation of the Chinese people in state-party-controlled political processes through creating a set of institutions and procedures. But they refuse to actually say that, because that would mean admitting that the system needs clear improvements in this area. Liberal democratic politicians are vague; communists even more so at times. TheUzbek (talk) 10:01, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, well, that's likely because WPPD was partly emphasized back in 2021 as a reaction to US President Joe Biden's emphasis on "democracies vs autocracies" and the whole Summit for Democracy thing (feels like a completely different world now lol) as a way to say "we're a democracy as well" (I know it was first conceived in 2019 but it got particularly emphasized from 2021). Admitting the need for improvements probably wouldn't be optical when the whole goal was to emphasize the system's strengths vis-a-vis the US. I feel like since the Trump has now dropped America's official goal of promoting liberal democracy abroad (and ironically moved much closer to China's position to emphasizing non-interference in internal affairs), China doesn't feel the need to emphasize WPPD as strongly as before (though they still mention it). The Account 2 (talk) 10:17, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Ah, that joke! I had completely forgotten about it. You are mostly correct. The term itself is just a rehash of people's democracy and socialist democracy (people's democracy mostly fell out of use with the 1975 constitution), but eventually, one concluded that it was an important term to drop and brought it back into use. But you are entirely correct about the Summit for Democracy link; I haven't thought about that. It was a weapon to wield against its enemies and stand with pride at home. Thinking about terms that have completely lost their meaning: people's democracy and socialist democracy. People's democracy was linked to the new democratic/people's democratic theory, but that is rarely acknowledged any longer, and China rarely acknowledges Laos' continued adherence to the people's democratic theory. Chinese media refuses to call Laos a people's democratic state, but Vietnam does. There is something here, but I will probably never uncover it.

The irony is that nothing is stopping the CPC to create a whole process democratic centralist system but themselves :P TheUzbek (talk) 10:38, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Well if you're curious, Baidu Baike actually has a page on people's democratic state. I think in China, the term socialist state is basically used as equivalent to what we in the West call communist states as you can see here, and they seem to downplay the differences between these different systems (I mean I can see why; since there are less socialist states today why emphasize the difference between remaining ones?) On the topic of democracy and democratic centralism, the Politburo actually just held their annual democratic life meeting a few days ago. I sometimes wonder what the discussions in these meetings are like, but alas, the general public is lucky to even get a glimpse of what Xi's office looks like. :) (it's a bit ironic how one of the most visible maybe the most powerful person in the world also has the ability to protect his privacy more than almost anyone in the world lol) The Account 2 (talk) 11:09, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Kinda, it doesn't differentiate between people's democracies and socialist democracies, as the classic theory did. The people's democratic state was perceived as a state transitioning from capitalism to socialism; that is gone.

It's interesting how Xi is really emphasising materialism/atheism. I like that: Marxism is materialism, but focusing on Marxist materialism more generally than only class relations also gives you more dynamism within Marxism.

"中央政治局的同志一致认为，党和国家事业取得新的重大成就，根本在于以习近平同志为核心的党中央领航掌舵，在于习近平新时代中国特色社会主义思想科学指引。"

and

"习近平对中央政治局各位同志的对照检查发言一一点评、逐一提出要求，并进行了总结。他指出，这次民主生活会开得很有成效，增强了中央政治局的凝聚力、战斗力，对于不断开创中国式现代化建设新局面具有重要意义。"

Sadly, most communist state collective decision-making organs have failed in creating organs of equals, but it's at least nice that Xi's CPC admits that it's not. This is the presidentialization of the party: the general secretary acts as the president, and the politburo as his cabinet. Sadly, I think the chances are slim for the CPC to actually create a decision-making culture based on equals, where the general secretary is nothing more than the first amongst equals. Hu had the chance, but he, like Brezhnev, did not seek to institutionalize but rather base collective rule on weak informal norms that could easily be done away with afterwards. TheUzbek (talk) 11:36, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

As for his secrecy: that's how it has to be if he stands above the rest. Either full secrecy or full cult; nothing in between. Both things lead to the same: aura, mystery, legitimacy... TheUzbek (talk) 11:37, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

I think the problem with the previous collective leadership model was that when power was distributed that much between several competing factions in a weakly institutionalized, top leaders concentrated more on winning factional battles and installing people close to them than any kind of state efficiency. This also allowed corruption to fester a lot (many Chinese would attest just how bad corruption had gotten before Xi) and I feel the Party decided that with China entering a key era with its power rising, it decided to throw its lot in a strong leader system with the capacity to make quick and decisive decisions (especially considering how large China is). To be honest, we should also keep in mind that we don't know much about how decisions are taken and to which degree an idea originates from Xi, how much he listens to others opinions, what other Politburo members say and what's the relationship between Xi and other officials. We don't even really know that much about Xi as a person (is he a kind of person that personally doesn't tolerate criticism? Or does he have an ability to listen to what others say? These greatly vary from person to person regardless of political systems, and it's impossible to tell from the outside despite how many firm assumptions some people make about him). How does he treat others at a personal level? It could be completely possible, for example, that despite his political dominance, Xi is tolerant to people who express divergent ideas from him to evaluate regarding policy (these things depend on personality a lot, after all, and China's secrecy makes it hard to gauge what kind of a personality Xi has). The Account 2 (talk) 11:55, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

Regarding legitimacy I agree. Xi doesn't really have a cult of personality in the same way as North Korea; you won't see many posters of him if you visit China. However, you can subtly feel him and his policies influence, and the enforced secrecy (as well as the fact that you can't even mention him in Chinese social media that easily) gives the aura that he's almost his "own class" of human being, if I could express myself well. In some ways, I feel it's even more effective than a regular cult of personality. The Account 2 (talk) 12:05, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

I agree, but that is why I describe it as presidentialism. A president is a top-dog that cannot be removed by the cabinet (the politburo in this case), but he can rule collegially. I do believe that Xi and the CPC believe in collegiality. That is what the propaganda says, and I see no reason to believe. However, without stronger rules that strengthen collective decision-making legally collectivism will always be weaker than leaderism. For a good collective to function one needs rules that gives all members of the collective clear legal rights, clear procedures to handle corruption, factionalism etc. If you don't, one devolves into the Brezhnev/Hu mess. Of course, you can make a strong collective and weak system (as Yugoslavia did).

I agree with your overall point :) TheUzbek (talk) 12:38, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

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Just checking (I have no personal opinion in this), isn't WP:HONORIFIC meant for the bodies of articles? Is there evidence it also applies to the infobox? It's very common to see many major monarch articles have title in infobox, for instance. grapesurgeon (talk) 13:23, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Also the slow edit war on the South Korean president articles over this is getting a bit tiring; needs to be a clean discussion once and then maybe salt with invisible comments grapesurgeon (talk) 13:24, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be applied to infoboxes too? Otherwise, virtually every single current and former head of state can have "His Excellency" be written to their infobox. The Account 2 (talk) 17:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Hm. I think you may be right. Are you willing to help salt with invisible comments? Like put | honorific-prefix = <!-- Do not put "His Excellency" or similar titles here, per [[MOS:HONORIFIC]] -->. grapesurgeon (talk) 18:57, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Yes I would be. The Account 2 (talk) 18:59, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Happened again on the Lee Jae Myung article, could you handle putting the invis comment there? grapesurgeon (talk) 15:04, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

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Will check it out, thanks! The Account 2 (talk) 06:33, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey! I was going through the merge backlog and saw that you were interested in merging Kuomintang Islamic insurgency into Campaign to Suppress Bandits in Southwestern China per the discussion at Talk:Kuomintang_Islamic_insurgency#Merge_proposal. Its been open for a while, as Favi mentioned in the discussion you can find instructions at WP:M5 but I would also be happy to help you with the merge if you want, just me me know. ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 12:48, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

I'll check it out. Where do you think I should start with? The Account 2 (talk) 12:58, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

I've gotten a bit busy these weeks so I couldn't put my mind to this, but I can try. The Account 2 (talk) 12:59, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

What I've usually done it copy over most if not all of the content from the source page and put it on the destination page under separate section headings with notes to myself that its content that needs to be merged. I've found that copying the wikitext is better than the visual editor in making sure to maintain references and such. I publish that edit with the attribution required by WP:M5 before doing any cleaning up, also that way at least everything is on the same article. You can also use the Template:In use while the article is a bit of a mess. Then you can go ahead and clean up the merge, delete content that is duplicated and rearrange things so that the article makes sense as a whole. Finally you can go back to the source article to use the easy-merge script to finish the merge or place the templates/redirect manually (or ask me for help). If you check the recent edit history of Metaphysical grounding you can see how I usually do the merge. ScrubbedFalcon (talk) 13:15, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

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Sorry if you are busy or were already planning on doing this, but I need your help translating zh:中国—列支敦士登关系 into China–Liechtenstein relations. It is the last bilateral relations article for China that does not exist yet, and would make China the second country here on English Wikipedia (after the United States) to have a bilateral relations article with every other country. It would be very appreciated. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 19:50, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

I created the article. Thanks for reminding me! I forgot about Liechtenstein lol. The Account 2 (talk) 19:56, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

I’ve noticed you’ve been making “Premiership of” articles for Japanese prime ministers. This might be warranted for Shinzo Abe, whose article is very long, but I have doubts about the others. In most cases, the main articles could be expanded instead. We also have articles for the individual cabinets. Perhaps there should be some more discussion about this? Mispoulet (talk) 12:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

I feel like Japanese prime ministers should have their own premiership articles. We already have premiership articles for most modern British prime ministers, for example (even for Liz Truss), so I don't really see why Japanese prime ministers should be very different. I plan to expand these articles soon though. The Account 2 (talk) 12:29, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

I also feel like having individual premiership articles might encourage users to add details they might not normally add to their main biographies. The Account 2 (talk) 12:29, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

For example, after creating the List of international prime ministerial trips made by Fumio Kishida and Shigeru Ishiba, other users later took the initiative to expand these pages and also create the List of international prime ministerial trips made by Sanae Takaichi. I hope to have a similar effect here. The Account 2 (talk) 12:34, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

British prime ministers naturally have more content on English Wikipedia due to more editors and sources, and they also tend to last longer than their Japanese counterparts, with the exception of Liz Truss.

Personally I'd be less inclined to add content on a prime minister if I felt obligated to write an expanded version of the same thing on a "Premiership of" page. This kind of material may also go on the cabinet article. Maybe we can get more input? Mispoulet (talk) 14:40, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

I would be willing for that, though I personally do plan to expand these pages (since many of them have Japanese versions). The Account 2 (talk) 15:45, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

However, I'm open to hear what other editors think. The Account 2 (talk) 15:48, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

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Hi, I created the article 9th Politburo of the Workers' Party of Korea, you are more than welcome to improve it, especially from design / tables aspect. Rakoon (talk) 19:17, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for creating it!! I couldn't find the time to do it. Let me review it. The Account 2 (talk) 19:21, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

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Hi, for some reason, the photo file that you created and added to V-Dem Democracy Indices has New Zealand in the colour of a "Democratic Grey Zone" instead of "Liberal Democracy" as the 2026 report shows and Portugal appears to be the colour of an "Autocratic Grey Zone" rather than an "Electoral Democracy." MangoMan11 (talk) 07:56, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the errors! I just fixed them. The Account 2 (talk) 08:03, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

No worries, that was a quick fix! MangoMan11 (talk) 08:21, 19 March 2026 (UTC)