User talk:ToBeFree

Hello @ToBeFree, I have been in an argument from some days on Talk:Min Aung Hlaing. I feel like these people have COI and want the change what they want. I gave many arguments along with the reliable sources of precidency distputes but they didn't accept even once. Would you like to help me in this case? Thank you. Regards, VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 06:42, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Hello VerdictByLogic, what is I feel like these people have COI based on? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi @ToBeFree:, I hope you are doing well. I made a few edits on the Shkreli, Kuči page that were very well sourced, you can look yourself, and were reversed as POV by the Nishjan editor. I think he is trying to engage in Edit warring with me, and his account might be sockpupperty who engages in pushing Abanian nationalist narrative edits. Can you please take a look? Thank you! RevivedCicero (talk) 01:49, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

Hello RevivedCicero, inviting two administrators to a discussion just because an edit has been reverted, without any discussion attempts having been made first, is pretty excessive. Neither me nor Deepfriedokra are going to judge administratively whether your edit was right or not. This can be discussed at Talk:Shkreli (tribe), without complaining in the heading about a pretty normal action (undoing an edit and then discussing is a fine approach) and without escalating the matter unnecessarily. The only person you should indeed invite to the discussion with a quick neutral message on their talk page, such as {{please see}}, is the editor who has reverted your edit. In this case, that would be Nishjan. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:08, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

PS: Please note that the burden of evidence and the onus to obtain a consensus for including the material are both on you, not Nishjan. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:09, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

Well said. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:22, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: Does that subject fall under Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Balkans or Eastern Europe? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:24, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi Deepfriedokra, thanks! 🙂

With Albania being in the Balkans, I'd say an Albanian tribe is indeed (strongly) part of that topic area. But as it doesn't come with a built-in extended-confirmed restriction or 1RR, I personally usually don't worry about the Eastern Europe designation too much. Disruptive behavior can usually be dealt with without topic bans since we finally, after all the years, have access to partial blocks. I think partial blocks have made many bans a thing of the past. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi @ToBeFree and Deepfriedokra: thank you again for taking the time to address my concerns. In normal, regular circumstances two administrators must not be called to review reverts, but in this case, scenario, circumstance to safeguard the Wikipedia community editors, it is necessary to do so for several reasons. It is clear, apparent to me that we as Wikipedia community editors are dealing with a group of editors who coordinate together, meatpuppetry, with multiple accounts each individual editor, sockpuppetry, that pushes nationalist Albanian narratives, using and missinterpreting vague sources, and do not allow the participation of other genuine Wikipedia editors who raise questions, concerns regarding this group's conclusions. I have noticed several times sincere Wikipedia editors coming with genuine desire to improve the pages and than their suggestions getting entirely dismissed, blocked by the nationalist Albanian group. What do the Wikipedia community editors who have a genuine desire to improve the Wikipedia pages do? They step back. I have seen that in multiple cases. I find this issue problematic, and it is effecting the quality, NPOV standard, of pages on Wikipedia. I am pretty sure that this issue is something that probably two administrators would not be able to resolve in their own, but I think it is very important that Wikimedia Foundation is aware of this problematic situation. I plan to initially step back from editing, and in the near future to reach the Wikimedia Foundation regarding this matter, always after gathering evidence.

How do I report accounts that I suspect to be meatpuppetry and sockpuppetry? Thank you again for your time and attention. Sincerely, @RevivedCicero:. RevivedCicero (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

RevivedCicero, you have completely lost the plot. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 08:14, 26 April 2026 (UTC)