User talk:Wjemather

You noted in the your sandbox that the 1976 event was "cancelled." Your source is something called "WoPG 1997." Sorry but I don't know what this is. If you have any more information that would be helpful; I may put this information on the 1975–76 Southern Africa Tour page. And I almost certainly would add this info on the Natal Open page as the event ceased to exist after that year's cancellation.

Regards,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

WoPG is Mark McCormack's World of Professional Golf annual. I have a few in my "library" but they're currently buried in the spare room. I'll take a look when I get chance. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:44, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok if you are capable of retrieving the relevant information that would be great. I suspect that that year's cancellation is related to the general cessation of the event so it could be quite valuable. If it is too much trouble, however, please don't bother.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

As suspected, it was cancelled after the withdrawal of the title sponsor (Vavasseur International had been taken over), and the NGU couldn't find a replacement.^[1]

Searched all over to try and find sources and info on what events took place in that year. Absolutely nothing outside of the Kirin Open which we already know of. It leads me to think did any events even take place outside of that one event?? Nothing on the newspaper archives, also tried using Korean news sources using translation but next to nothing. I don’t have McCormack's WoPG 2000 but I assume the only event he lists is the Kirin Open? Jimmymci234 (talk) 12:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I have WoPG 2000, but McCormack had stopped covering the old Asia Golf Circuit by then. The best I found was a source that said there were 6 tournaments (but that could easily be an error is it was a 1998–99 season). Anyway, as with previous seasons, it's probably safe to say the Kirin Open was the only tournament that mattered. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 12:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I’m just wondering why you removed my short description on the Egyptian Open page. I just want to make sure I’m not doing something wrong. Thanks! Atremari (talk) 11:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Atremari: Sorry, I didn't realise I had. Must be a bug in how the editor switches from source to visual to source editing. I've restored it now. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hi,

I am looking for some info on the BC Open and I see you have updated the page a lot. I want to know what the tournament record for a low round was. Is the the 62 Jay Delsing shot in 1985? Can you point me in the direction as to where you found all of your info and maybe I can dig deeper.

Thank you,

Will Wsaulsbery (talk) 19:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wsaulsbery: Sorry, I don't have that information, but according the article, Hal Sutton shot 61 in the final round in 1995. Old tour media guides are a good starting point for information. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 06:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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The page has been moved again to Pleasure Beach Resort. As you've moved it back in past I was hoping you could do the honours again - I'd do it myself but I'm not clear on the procedure! Thanks. Barry Wom (talk) 09:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wjemather,

I am almost done with the Brae Burn Country Club page. However, there are some closing issues with the scorecard.

• The biggest issues is with a set of tees on the main course. According to the Brae Burn website the main course has green tees as an intermediate set of tees. But on the USGA's website they seem to use white tees for this set. (Fwiw, this BlueGolf website only notes white tees too.) Are the green tees/white tees the same?
• On the Highlands Course there are these combined handicaps. For example, on the 6th hole it is 17/18. Do you know what's up? I have never seen this before.

Thanks,

Oogglywoogly (talk) 07:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

My view is that if we are going to include scorecards (and I don't see the encyclopedic value in having them for most courses) then we should only include the yardages and pars for the longest/championship tees (i.e. those that are notable); omitting things like handicap Stroke Indexes that are not encyclopedic. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 12:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

That's an interesting idea. However, many clubs we have pages for have a Scorecard sectipn. It appears that something akin to a precedent has been set. If we are to establish consensus that we should only include championship-level yardages, I would prefer a full discussion on the main talk page.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

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How would another person's same contribution has been remain. But this contribution has been deleted. I want to know the exact reason only. Thank you. Ustc3092024 (talk) 08:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ustc3092024: Betzillion is not a reliable source, so is not suitable for use as a reference. It has been added by multiple anonymous accounts recently with a clear aim to promote that website. This practice is against Wikipedia rules. If the inserting of this website persists, it is likely to be blacklisted. There appear to be no remaining instances of this site being used as a reference. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

So how this page have still there as a reference? Where there is no live url?

105 "Club Statement". Leeds United F.C. 23 May 2017. Retrieved 23 May 2017. Ustc3092024 (talk) 12:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ustc3092024: That is a different issue. Generally, citations should not be removed simply because the link no longer works; see WP:LINKROT. Anyway, I have now replaced this particular source. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 13:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi User: Wjemather,

First off, this is the same person as Oogglywoogly. I recently changed my username to Chief disambiguator.

Secondly, and most importantly, I would like some advice on sandbox. I noticed you use it a lot and figured you could help me out. I recently started a sandbox page under the title "User:Chief disambiguator/sandbox." During research for some golfers profiles, I recently added citations to the page but I'm not sure how to preserve the information. This is crucial because, for two golfers recently, I collected loads of information but my computer acted up and I lost everything. Originally, I was thinking about clicking "Publish Page" in an effort to preserve the information in the sandbox but I didn't because I thought it might also publish the page prematurely. Any advice would be helpful.

Thanks,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 21:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

You can retain your sandboxes indefinitely and there is no real limit to how many you can have or what you name them. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Weirdly, well before I even attempted to publish the page of Ron Howell (the guy I was thinking about creating a page for) it was already rejected. Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chief_disambiguator/sandbox. Do you know what's up?

Thanks,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 21:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)Chief disambiguator

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I am thinking about purchasing this book. I have seen a citation for this book floating round WP: Golf. For example, see citation #9 under the page of Jimmy Demaret and citation #20 on the page of Gene Sarazen. Specifically, I was thinking about using the book to create seasonal calendars for the early tour era.

However, on the Amazon page for the book there are only two reviews and one of them is negative. I know they're only customer reviews but it's all I have to go off of. Do you know anything about the quality of this book?

Thanks,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 21:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know much about it. However, "produced with the full cooperation and support of the PGA Tour" would lead me to believe it's not an entirely independent source, so should be used with caution – the PGAoA and PGA Tour have a long history of revisionism. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 09:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. If I ever use the book I'll probably consult with you first.

Regards,

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On Gene Sarazen's Wiki site, we most recently had it at 38 wins. According to your sandbox it is at 38 wins too. However, according to his PGA Tour site it is now at 37 wins. Apparently his win at the 1930 Concord Country Club Open no longer counts. Looks like this is at least the fourth time since he retired that his official wins total has changed (and third time since he died!).

Regards,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 07:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

The PGA Tour bio page still gives a total of 38 wins at the top but only lists 37 in the details – probably just an omission as I'm sure any intentional reclassification would have been covered somewhere, and I don't know of any such work recently. It's unfortunate that the tour insists on rewriting history and is often unreliable for its own information. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. I guess we should just keep Sarazen's page the way it was before.

Meanwhile, I noticed some more discrepancies. On the Wiki page of Roberto de Vicenzo it notes he won seven PGA Tour events however on his PGA Tour page his 1951 wins are not included. (They are listed in the "Additional Wins" section.) In additon, on the Wiki page of Ed Furgol we list six PGA Tour wins but on his PGA Tour.com page his 1947 win at Pebble Beach isn't included at all. Are these just more examples of them making more mistakes with their record-keeping?

Regards,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 07:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)Chief disambiguator

I recently created a page for Bruce Douglass. He played some minitours in the late 1970s and 1980s and I thought some of the research I dug up might be useful for you. In 1970s, he played the National Golfers of America circuit in the southwest. He finished second place in one of the events. In addition, in 1980 he played something called the Longhorn Tour.

Later on in his career, he played the International Players Association circuit in Mexico. He won one of the events.

Chief disambiguator (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

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I had no idea about that. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:36, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

The grid for the third round of the golf match had to be loaded, and it takes a while to make. Why would someone remove it? The scores cannot be entered without the grid. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 09:11, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

It absolutely doesn't need doing before the round is complete, and serves zero purpose and an empty table. It is precisely the sort of edit that brought about your topic ban; not using hidden text doesn't alter the nature of the edit. It is very clearly a preparation edit of the sort covered by your topic ban – please do not push it's boundaries as the sanction will undoubtedly involve blocks. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 17:18, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I recently created a page for Tony Mangan. In 1969, he won the Amoco Forbes Open. I was thinking about making a page for this tournament. I noticed in your sandbox that you have a table for this event; I was wondering if I could use this information. If I get your approval, I will cite your work in the edit history, as I did with the Southern African Tour seasonal calendars.

Regards,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 21:23, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Hey, sorry, but could you briefly respond? I was looking to make a page for this event soon.

Thanks,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 02:29, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Chief disambiguator

No problem. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 09:46, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks!

Chief disambiguator (talk) 22:09, 4 December 2025 (UTC)Chief disambiguator

The Forbes Open page is up and approved. I have a few questions though:

• It looks like a women's event was played concurrently some years. For example in 1971 and 1973. Do you think this information should be included in the prose and within the Winners table?

• What exactly was the name of this event? It is referred to by a number of variations (e.g. Forbes Classic, Forbes Open); in the early years it is usually preceded by the word "Amoco."

• In your sandbox, you note that Barry Coxon won the 1970 event. Do you have a citation for it? Nothing came up in my research.

• Was it ever an official event on the PGA Tour of Australia? On the page of Terry Gale his 1977 win is categorized as an official event on his wins' table.

Regards,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 04:31, 13 December 2025 (UTC)Chief disambiguator

If the women's event wasn't widely reported on, it's probably not significant enough to include anything more than acknowledgement of its existence. Presumably, Amoco was the sponsor; and it was titled Classic/Open depending on the entry format. Judging by my notes, the 1970 event is probably in McCormack's WoPG 1971 (I have a copy). Official tour records have a tendency to be rewritten, so it's difficult to know whether tournaments were part of the OoM (or counted as official wins) or not. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 09:48, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and recent edits. I decided to include some information on the women's (associate's) tournament in the prose but it did not seem noteworthy enough for the table. Also, if you have come across any information at all about the Australian Tour's official Order of Merit during this era please let me know (e.g. from the McCormack source). I still have virtually nothing.

Chief disambiguator (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Chief disambiguator

I came across this calendar for the 1976-77 "Pacific circuit" from The Press. It doesn't reference an Order of Merit but it may be of some use.

Regards,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 19:06, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

I noticed that you list in your sandbox that Vic Bennetts won the 1974 Bergara Open. I created Bennetts' page and in all of my research did not come across this event. Do you have a source for this win?

Regards,

Chief disambiguator (talk) 19:40, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

Probably a WoPG annual! _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 12:16, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

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