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Not understanding edit

Wikimedia received a query at OTRS (ticket:2017050110004721 ) Relating to a reversion of an external link by XLinkBot. I believe this bot reverts links in the MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. I did not find the URL in the list and furthermore see the URL here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/LinkReports/socrethics.com With the specific comment "Link is not on the blacklist."

The obvious question is why was this edit reverted? edit--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick:XLinkBot reverts links on its RevertLists. This was spammed by IPs, and an admin put it on one of the lists to revert it. I'll refresh the report to get more insight. --Dirk Beetstra T C
@Billinghurst: you added this, can you have a look at this. My observation is that the involved IPs have, since 2014, mainly engaged in additions to external links sections the current IP since that time, two oter IPs mainly this domain back in 2014. --Dirk Beetstra T C 20:44, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Probably worth updating the existing local and xwiki link reports, however it looks like a typical CoI of external link building a directory-style listing. I will try to generate that later, when I have access to tools.
@Sphilbrick: Re the reports, if you look at either Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/socrethics.com or m:User:COIBot/LinkReports/socrethics.com the line to look for is "revertlisted"; blacklisted will reflect listing in either m:spam blacklist and/or Mediawiki:Spam-blacklistbillinghurst sDrewth 05:08, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Ah, which I see that Beetstra has kicked. @Beetstra: is it worthwhile kicking the domain report set to regenerate once something is revertlisted? As an interim measure I will try to remember to kick the extra reports when I do add domains. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:12, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: the stuff is linked when you know where to look (the 'tracked' link in the {{LinkSummary}} leads you to the log for the revertlist which leads you to your name). I indeed poked it. I guess that it is now up to @Sphilbrick: and the original requester to take this forward. I do see from the reports a rather strong insistence by the involved 3 IPs to add external links only, and the link is not used by 'regulars', which is quite a red flag (the only other addition is in a tracking link to a userpage by User:Helpsome - it appears that Helpsome noticed the behaviour of the IPs as well). However, the other links 'spammed' by these 3 IPs are of a recognised publishing house. --Dirk Beetstra T C 06:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
@Beetstra: I was more thinking about the report updating so that the priority lines of "revertlisted" would show at about the time of the addition. Sphilbrick checked the report and it was mute on the revertlisting, though it had happened; and I much prefer overt listing, which then leads to a user following the tracking link. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
I'll see if I can add that code, it shouldn't be much of a problem. I only wonder if the lists are updated soon enough (COIBot creates off-wiki copies of the on-wiki lists for speed of processing, that means that the lists may have lag time), I'd have to check that. --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

What's wrong with this link?

I added this to the Billy Mills (poet) page as it's my most recent book and should be added to the publications list there.

https://hesterglockpress.wordpress.com/billy-mills-the-city-itself/

Why was it removed? BMills (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@BMills: It is basically a blog, which we discourage linking to, see our external links guideline. I also think the linking here is superfluous, I have removed the links. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:16, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. BMills (talk) 12:34, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Using bots and the destruction of the premise of human editors creating Wikipedia

Is Wikipedia edited by people any more or just a bleak bot-warfare ground? Seems now the case is leaning quickly toward the latter.

Seriously, this bot and it's activity is a perfect example of people using machine learning to prevent human activity, the very same activity Wikipedia depends upon to create and edit articles. You made a bot to destroy human creativity, automatically, and remove authentic and positive human effort from the site, and you thought that was a GOOD idea? And then released it into the wild to run without human reviewers? Someone please explain how this will end well.

Policies regarding using bots against humans on Wikipedia need to be put into place, because as it stands, this activity by this bot directly undermines human interest in participation in this project. Those policies, if implement correctly, would make the activity of this bot forbidden. 216.252.162.16 (talk) 13:40, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I added a link into the Mach Loop article, about event which is obvious that happened and suddenly the BOT reverted my edit. But what's the most interesting about it is that people already posted several YouTube links into the article, also from random YouTube channels, and those links weren't reverted. Can you investigate it and make some explanation, please? Thanks. BlackFlanker (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@BlackNker: that linkfarm was inappropriate per our inclusion standards. Cleaned up more in the article that fails the same. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. --Dirk Beetstra T C 15:36, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, My External Link was reverted. However, the link was added because I also saw the same on other pages and so added it. Was that wrong? Can I add these links?

External links

AprennurAprennur (talk) 12:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@Aprennur: if there is no 'real' official site, only the facebook my be appropriate, per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. --Dirk Beetstra T C 15:39, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Straddle carrier

I have reverted XLinkBot's reversion in straddle carrier. The bot could at least explain itself in its edit summaries (e.g. "links to YouTube are not allowed") instead of blatting some malformed link. --pmj (talk) 01:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

The bot explained that on the talkpage, with the possible follow-up options. You chose one of them. --Dirk Beetstra T C 04:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
OK, that does seem to cover it. Thanks! --pmj (talk) 05:47, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Aggressive behaviour towards good faith users

I run regular Wikipedia sessions with a GLAM partner. Some of the participants are new users. One of the activities was adding some video links. The links were to YouTube but the material involved was not a copyright violation (having been created by the GLM partner as part of an official program a few years ago). Our session ran from noon to 3pm. However, later that night, some of the users received a series of esclating warnings with threats to block from this bot, e.g.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aquamarine2017&action=history

from the bot. To anyone reading the user's talk page, it would seem that the user was warned, persisted, was warned again, persisted etc. But that was not the case. All the edits had occurred some hours prior to the bot's first action. There was no persistent behaviour by the user after the first warning. (And in any case, the additions were not contrary to policy).

The bot should NOT escalate the warning level UNLESS there is actually problematic user behaviour continuing AFTER the previous warning. That is, the bot should be comparing the date of the edit being reverted against its last warning date.

The other thing is that the bot is being indiscriminate in its behaviour to new users. As someone who is a registered course instructor, why are course instructors NOT being told about this bot as anything that affects new user accounts impacts (usually adversely) on training. The first I knew of this bot is when it started biting some of my group members. Is it possible to whitelist accounts in structured programs as a way around the problem? Kerry (talk) 01:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: The timing is unfortunate, it seems that the bot is/was lagging. It warned on every edit it reverted, and does so increasingly.
I have now looked at 2 of the edits, which I both re-reverted. They blatantly fail our inclusion standards. Both I reverted are completely indirect, in both cases sideways related to the subject, but very much in violation of the standards that this bot defends.
I will check the rest of it, but if it is the same, then this is yet another example why I believe that GLAM editors also should know what our inclusion standards are, and understand them before we start editing. There is somewhere out there a great blog post where my concerns are voiced regarding this. There is no 'it is GLAM, so it is fine'. Expect more reverts. --Dirk Beetstra T C 04:01, 8 June 2017 (UTC) @Kerry Raymond: --Dirk Beetstra T C 04:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Adding: yes, it is possible to whitelist editors, but they are not exempt from following our inclusion standards. If you are mentoring them, you should be fully aware of these standards, and make them aware of it. I don't believe this is the case here. --Dirk Beetstra T C 04:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I have reverted the rest as well. In most cases I have troubles understanding how the content of the video linked to is relevant to the content of our page (I understand that it is related). For some of the links there may be places where they are more relevant.
Note, this person has a conflict of interest, and has not disclosed that clearly, and is hence editing in violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. This editor is badly informed about the policies and guidelines applicable here. --Dirk Beetstra T C 04:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I will make a note that I have to teach XLinkBot to not to escalate when the last warning from the bot was issued after the actual edit reverted (just only revert it). --Dirk Beetstra T C 06:40, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I was adding sources to a horribly sourced article.

I was adding sources, images, and additional information about the Traditional Chinese characters on the coins, I'm not sure how that counts as vandalism, but this bot didn't even give a reason as to why it not only reverted my recent additions, but ALL OF MY ADDITIONS to that page including adding Chinese characters where needed (for illustrative purposes), and an image from Wikimedia Commons, either this bot is defective or ill-programmed. --58.187.168.230 (talk) 05:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

The article in question is Ming dynasty coinage, adding 2 external links isn't excessive, and I have no connection to any of the references I was using. --58.187.168.230 (talk) 05:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Oh, een Fries heeft de bot gemaakt, dat verklaard het. 😒 --58.187.168.230 (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
As explained below, you mix reference styles, and duplicate.
FYI, I am operating it, and run an upgraded version of a bot that was written by someone else. No need for the personal attacks. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

In case someone would like to bring up the "copyright" © strike on my profile.

I've been plagued by bad bots for a while now, I've been editing Wikipedia for over 10 years and never had anything like what happened in merely 2 weeks, on my profile/talk page there's also a supposed "copyright © strike" where I allegedly copied content from here but if you take part of the deleted text you wouldn't see it come back, maybe because I used this reference twice in Ming dynasty coinage it triggered a false positive. --58.187.168.230 (talk) 06:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

An excerpt from the text that can't now be displayed anymore.
All characters on both sides of the ‘’Sangpyeong Tongbo’’ coins are written in Regular script with the notable exception of the coin produced by the Military Office of Bukhanseong which bears the character ‘’Kyong’’ (經) in Semi-cursive script. Another differentiating feature of ‘’Sangpyeong Tongbo’’ coins compared to their predecessors is that they exclusively use the phrase ‘’Tongbo’’ (通寶) for all denominations which is based on a Chinese naming taboo of the Ming dynasty with which Joseon maintained close relations that dictated that ‘’Jungbo’’ (元寶) may not be used because it was a part of Hongwu’s name, the founding emperor of the Ming Dynasty."
Nothing comparable to this can be found on the site, it's been completely re-worded. I think that bots are just over-programmed for false positives at us IP users.
--58.187.168.230 (talk) 06:09, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
This does not concern the bot. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I see that a link that triggered it was one for a website that named Southern Ming dynasty coins, the only reason I even used that link was because all of the content was unsourced, but this bot REVERTED EVERY EDIT I MADE ON THAT PAGE, regardless of their individual merits, even if I was simply linking Chinese characters to the Wiktionary, or adding images from Wikimedia Commons, at least try to teach the bot to be more discriminative, it just unsourced the page, literally all sources except for one before my edits were from coin auction sites, and half of them are now defunct, did it remove any of those? Nope, but it did remove my link from Yale University. "spam" everyone. --58.187.168.230 (talk) 06:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

In this revid there is a link to tripod, which tripped the bot. That gets replaced in this version with a text "Hartill, David (2005). Cast Chinese Coins. Trafford, United Kingdom.", which is a duplicate of something that is already used as a source. As such, that source is superfluous. I have therefore removed it. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

At "External links" at Ming dynasty coinage I only added 2 links, both of which give detailed looks at the monetary history of the Ming, what "triggered" it was a source I added, not even an external link, and I explained that I didn't make it a reference because it concerned 3 or 4 different sections in the text, if it only reverted that edit, or just where I added liks, sure, but the reason I'm upset is because it removed all of the content I added indiscriminately, a message to the maker of this bot, kindly programme it to differentiate between edits, it just saw my IP and reverted everything, look at my edits at Ming dynasty coinage and see that I was mostly adding references to ill-referenced text or adding the correct Chinese characters. At least let it only revert my "bad edit". 😒 --58.187.168.230 (talk) 06:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

The bot reverts all, for various reasons. There is no problem to cite different parts of one text in different references, following the style of referencing that is already used in the document. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

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