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Draft:Eclipsa Audio
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- @Niafied: you neglected to sign your comment. Please sign your comments in the future. What is the reason that it has been moved to draft exactly? Are you telling me a technology developed and widely adopted by two technology conglomerates do not fall within Wikipedia's notability scope?-épine ♬ 22:44, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Épine, I forgot to add a signature to the template. Thank you for reminding me. No, a product is not notable just because it was created by a notable company. The guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) (particularly WP:NPRODUCT) apply here. Niafied (talk) 22:54, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Niafied and among the 456.000 results when you Google Eclipsa Audio, you find none reliable? This move without a discussion was awful. If you don't know a lot about something, then kindly do not make such decisions either. And about the AI tag you slapped on there? How did you arrive at the conclusion that the content is AI generated? épine ♬ 02:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Some of the citations in the article were generated in ChatGPT, that's just a factual observation that anyone can check. This shouldn't be surprising if you're the person who made the page and used ChatGPT. The only way you wouldn't know that is if someone else made it. If you can find some significant coverage in those 456,000 results, you should use them to improve the page in draftspace. Niafied (talk) 02:26, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Niafied if you are referring to "source=chatgpt.com" in the URL, this is because the content was fed back into ChatGPT to fix grammatical error and language style to be neutral and align with Wikipedia policies, this was added in that step to the URLs. It is not because the content is generated by ChatGPT. You can help the Wiki community by adding additional sources and fixing any problems the article may have, not create unnecessary backlog. Thanks. épine ♬ 13:57, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- ChatGPT does a bad job of making sure that content is neutral and meets Wikipedia policies. You can't expect other people to find sources for pages you create. You're supposed to look for the sources before you make the page (Help:Your first article). Instead of arguing any further, I'm going to end this discussion. You should focus your time on improving the draft if you're this passionate about it. Niafied (talk) 21:27, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Niafied this was not my first article, if you knew your way around Wikipedia you would know this. I've been editing Wikipedia for a decade, so stop with the patronizing language. Moving user articles to drafts and slapping tags on it just because you don't know anything about the subject of the article does not make the article not notable. This behavior is not only unconstructive but borderline disruptive. You should have came to my talk page and talked about it rather than creating unnecessary backlog. épine ♬ 14:41, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also apparently you do not know how to use ChatGPT because it can exactly do that provided the relevant policies are fed back into the LLM before the prompt is given. épine ♬ 14:43, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- I never said it was your first article, I just pointed to a page that explains why you have to look for sources before you create a page. LLMs can be helpful tools but they aren't inherently neutral or accurate, they're infamous for bias and hallucinations. ChatGPT can't always verify whether a source is real, let alone whether it is reliable. Creating pages that are low-quality actually creates backlog, so I'm not going to argue anymore. Niafied (talk) 23:33, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also apparently you do not know how to use ChatGPT because it can exactly do that provided the relevant policies are fed back into the LLM before the prompt is given. épine ♬ 14:43, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Niafied this was not my first article, if you knew your way around Wikipedia you would know this. I've been editing Wikipedia for a decade, so stop with the patronizing language. Moving user articles to drafts and slapping tags on it just because you don't know anything about the subject of the article does not make the article not notable. This behavior is not only unconstructive but borderline disruptive. You should have came to my talk page and talked about it rather than creating unnecessary backlog. épine ♬ 14:41, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- ChatGPT does a bad job of making sure that content is neutral and meets Wikipedia policies. You can't expect other people to find sources for pages you create. You're supposed to look for the sources before you make the page (Help:Your first article). Instead of arguing any further, I'm going to end this discussion. You should focus your time on improving the draft if you're this passionate about it. Niafied (talk) 21:27, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Niafied if you are referring to "source=chatgpt.com" in the URL, this is because the content was fed back into ChatGPT to fix grammatical error and language style to be neutral and align with Wikipedia policies, this was added in that step to the URLs. It is not because the content is generated by ChatGPT. You can help the Wiki community by adding additional sources and fixing any problems the article may have, not create unnecessary backlog. Thanks. épine ♬ 13:57, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Some of the citations in the article were generated in ChatGPT, that's just a factual observation that anyone can check. This shouldn't be surprising if you're the person who made the page and used ChatGPT. The only way you wouldn't know that is if someone else made it. If you can find some significant coverage in those 456,000 results, you should use them to improve the page in draftspace. Niafied (talk) 02:26, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Niafied and among the 456.000 results when you Google Eclipsa Audio, you find none reliable? This move without a discussion was awful. If you don't know a lot about something, then kindly do not make such decisions either. And about the AI tag you slapped on there? How did you arrive at the conclusion that the content is AI generated? épine ♬ 02:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Épine, I forgot to add a signature to the template. Thank you for reminding me. No, a product is not notable just because it was created by a notable company. The guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) (particularly WP:NPRODUCT) apply here. Niafied (talk) 22:54, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Eclipsa Audio (December 6)
Your draft shows signs of having been generated by a large language model, such as ChatGPT. Wikipedia guidelines prohibit the use of LLMs to write articles from scratch. In addition, LLM-generated articles usually have multiple quality issues, to include:
- Promotional tone, editorializing and other words to watch
- Vague, generic, and speculative statements extrapolated from similar subjects
- Essay-like writing
- Hallucinations (plausible-sounding, but false information) and non-existent references
- Close paraphrasing
This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.
The comment the reviewer left was:
Frankly I'm quite disappointed by your LLM use here; with 2,000 edits and 10+ years of editing, you are absolutely capable of writing an article without external assistance of dubious quality.
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