Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion

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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

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Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

  • Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS:,[a] Event: and the various Talk: namespaces
  • Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
  • File description pages when the file itself is hosted on Commons
  • Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XFD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Notes

  1. The vast majority of pages in the MOS: namespace are redirects, which should be discussed at RfD. MfD is only applicable for the handful of its non-redirect pages.

Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace
  • If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}} if it is a userpage, or {{db-author}} or {{db-g7}} if it is a draft. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Deletions in draftspace
  • Unlike articles, drafts are generally not deleted solely due to lack of demonstrated notability or context.
  • Drafts that have not been edited in six months may be deleted under criterion for speedy deletion G13 and do not need nomination here.
  • Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
  • For further information on draft deletion, including when nomination here is appropriate, see WP:NMFD
Deleting pages in other people's userspace
  • Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding {{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~  to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}.
  • Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first.
  • Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion.
  • User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion.
  • Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages
  • Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the page as {{historical}} and/or moving it into the historical archive, or redirecting it somewhere.
  • Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages
  • It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable.
  • WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider moving it into the historical archive, or userfication.
  • Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion
  • Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems.
  • Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD
  • Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

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Archived discussions

A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

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Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

March 12, 2026

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Fornication

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Fornication (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)

Violates WP:UBCR: "Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for: Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind (commercial, political, religious, or otherwise)." Created and only used by indef blocked editor with few positive contributions. AusLondonder (talk) 18:50, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Keep tons of shit worse than this. Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 20:29, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
That's not a credible reason to keep a newly-created userbox used by one indef blocked user. AusLondonder (talk) 20:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
Delete all Lazereon (talk · contribs) subpages as trolling by a non-contributor. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Infidelity

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Violates WP:UBCR: "Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for: Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind (commercial, political, religious, or otherwise)." Created and only used by indef blocked editor with few positive contributions. AusLondonder (talk) 18:45, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Estado Novo

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Userbox supporting a fascist dictatorship. Violates WP:UBCR: "Userboxes must not be inflammatory or substantially divisive." Created and only used by indef blocked editor with few positive contributions. AusLondonder (talk) 18:42, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:UBX/Nativism
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: withdraw. (non-admin closure) -- Aunva6talk - contribs 23:25, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:UBX/Nativism

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I believe this would fall under Inflammatory/political advocacy, including WP:HID. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 18:24, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Keep. It’s a fair statement of the recognised philosophy of Nativism (politics). SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
Weak keep. I have no personal stake in keeping this UBX (it isn’t reflective of my own views, though I do support restricting immigration), but I am not sure the rationale for deletion is sound—by the logic used here, on what basis could userboxes supporting a total lack of borders, or actually extremist ideologies, stand? If the issue is the photo, I am happy to delete the photo and make it a text-only userbox. But it will have to be explained to me how the content itself is inflammatory or uniquely engaged in advocacy, if it is the content and not merely the photo that is your issue. GreenLoeb (talk) 22:53, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:UBX/ImmigrationRestrictionist
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Withdraw. I was a bit overzealous (non-admin closure) -- Aunva6talk - contribs 23:27, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:UBX/ImmigrationRestrictionist

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I believe this would fall under Inflammatory/political advocacy, especially given the choice of picture. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 18:23, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Keep. A standard political philosophy, and quite historical. The picture, being a political cartoon from 1903, is quite fair. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
Keep. I am happy to make this a userbox with text only, if the images are the problem. But I see no rationale for immigration restriction being considered tantamount to extremist political ideologies (which I do not subscribe to). There are userboxes of long standing supporting a borderless world and completely unrestricted planetary migration. I am not sure how those are unproblematic whereas my userbox here is, if the problem is not simply the photo but the content itself. GreenLoeb (talk) 22:46, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
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User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Novorossiyan Sympathy

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Novorossiyan Sympathy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)

WP:UBCR -- Aunva6talk - contribs 18:15, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Delete Violates WP:UBCR: "Userboxes must not be inflammatory or substantially divisive" and "Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for: Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind (commercial, political, religious, or otherwise)." Created and only used by indef blocked editor with few positive contributions. AusLondonder (talk) 18:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
    Delete all subpages by this recently arrived and blocked troll. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:04, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Anti-natsoc

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WP:UBCR -- Aunva6talk - contribs 18:15, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Rexist supporter

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WP:UBCR -- Aunva6talk - contribs 18:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Leftist naming resistant

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Inflammatory userbox by user blocked indefinitely for WP:NOTHERE and WP:HID. Rand Freeman (talk to me) 16:26, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Delete Violates WP:UBCR: "Userboxes must not be inflammatory or substantially divisive." Created and only used by indef blocked editor with few positive contributions. AusLondonder (talk) 18:36, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Draft:Fish-fag

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Bad use of AFC process. This can be created for Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects instead. -Lemonaka 15:53, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Neutral at this time. If let alone, would have expired in three months. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
True, but that’s not a reason to bring it to MfD. Ignore per WP:NDRAFT. Draftspace exists to keep stuff like this contained, and bring it to a formal discussion here defeats that purpose. The idea that it could go to a variation on the AfC process is a reason to WP:Move, not delete. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:ImDefAHuman/sandbox

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Alternate history sandbox positing imaginary candidates in the 1868 United States presidential election. As always, sandbox is not a free playground to just write any science fiction you want to for the funsies, and creating a page in userspace does not absolve it of having to be accurate about real history. User is almost certainly WP:NOTHERE to help build an encyclopedia, either, as their edit history has been exclusively to this page except for a single bit of mainspace vandalism to 1800 United States presidential election, adding random extra letters to the name of the winner for no apparent reason, in 2021. Bearcat (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:N6wsef/sandbox

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Alternate history sandbox reversing the results of the 2002 French presidential election. As always, sandbox is not a free playground to just write any science fiction you want to for the funsies, and creating a page in userspace does not absolve it of having to be accurate about real history. User is almost certainly WP:NOTHERE to help build an encyclopedia, either, as their only other edit outside of this page was a bit of mainspace vandalism flipping the result of the 2000 Romanian general election. Bearcat (talk) 15:23, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Delete for various reasons, including as a biographies of living persons violation with respect to Lionel Jospin, as well as presenting fiction as fact. I would have said Weak Delete on the first edits by a new editor, so that we cannot be sure that they are a non-contributor, but being a new editor does not excuse BLP violations, even if incidental, when there is no need for the fantasy piece anyway. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete as a hoax with BLP violations, per Robert McClenon. Chess enjoyer (talk) 21:51, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

User:Lazereon/Userboxes/Conquered not Stolen

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Plainly inappropriate userbox. WP:HID -- Aunva6talk - contribs 14:45, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Delete Violates WP:UBCR: "Userboxes must not be inflammatory or substantially divisive." Created and only used by indef blocked editor with few positive contributions. AusLondonder (talk) 18:37, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete: Clearly disruptive, propogating hate and a hoax. Star Mississippi 01:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
    it was tried, but declined... hence xfd. -- Aunva6talk - contribs 01:52, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Draft:Upcoming Katy Perry album

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This draft violates WP:CRYSTAL when there so far has been no sign of an album being in the works yet, or even what it could contain. The tidbit about one possible song to be featured (which either way has incorrect credit listings) is just unconfirmed speculation, as is the part mentioning a 2026 release. The given refs are more about one track anyway. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Keep per WP:LUDA Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 00:54, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Mere essays don't hold much weight compared to policies or even guidelines. I'd rather not enable premature and speculative writing. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:05, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
I'll vote on Keep, as a creator of this draft. Unless Katy Perry retires, like Britney, her upcoming album must be going to be released. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 02:45, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • It's an oversimplification to assume another album "must be" at some point released in the future without retirement when sometimes people stick to just EPs or standalone tracks after putting out some albums. Nevertheless, we cannot say for sure when any new releases will follow. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:25, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep - The nominator says that they are trying to avoid premature or speculative writing, but deleting a draft because we don't know when or whether it will be released seems speculative. The draft should stay in draft space until it is released, or at least until the information is more solid. Does the nominator really want to encourage editors to rag pick in draft space to have between 10 and 100 MFDs a day for things that might be speculative writing? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:46, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Not sure what to say about "rag picking", but my point that you're glossing over is it would be better to wait until have some indication that production has begun or at least is being planned out before we start a draft. It otherwise comes off as pulling unconfirmed ideas out of nowhere. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:40, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep: This is the purpose of draftspace. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:07, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

March 11, 2026

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Twitter
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: redirect to Talk:X (social network). This does not really need an MfD at all. (non-admin closure) GTrang (talk) 00:17, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Twitter

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Shouldn't this be a hard redirect to Talk:X (social network)? Many incoming links become broken, whether internal or external. Especially considering section notifications of discussions in the archive, now in Talk:X (social network)/Archive index. Abesca (talk) 22:13, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

It should be said that the only discussions in this talk page are bot notifications. Abesca (talk) 22:19, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
Close as not in scope for mfd. Ask on the talk page, the page itself. Boldly redirect. No valid reason to delete. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:10, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
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User:A3RO/TeenWiki

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From User talk:HKLionel#Speedy deletion declined: User:A3RO/TeenWiki: The linked cabal was deleted at MfD, there are no other links, and there's no page history that should be kept. There's no use for this userbox and its existence would only serve to confuse, especially as part of the legacy of a user indeffed since 2010. Cabal MfD: WP:Miscellany for deletion/User:EricV89/TeenWiki Cabal HKLionel TALK 11:03, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Speedy meh. Not used anywhere and not edited since 2009. Seemingly harmless. I'm not sure why someone landed there and decided to expend effort to try to get it deleted 17 years later, but if in an admin's opinion, it doesn't qualify for speedy deletion, then (absent some actual disruption) it's also not worth expending community effort on to discuss here. Some sort of guideline to garbage-collect unused, long-abandoned crud will probably eventually be necessary, but it's not worth individualized attention. (Yes 'Speedy meh' is a bit facetious, so treat this as a Weak Keep.) Martinp (talk) 12:35, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
Delete, useless userbox, even for socializing. Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 12:36, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
Weak delete a harmless, albeit useless userbox. I can't find anything online about that website/group online; it's probably a long-defunct website. TruenoCity (talk) 17:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
Neutral wasn't aware what a cabal was until now. It's an unused and mostly useless userbox, but no real reason to delete. --TruenoCity (talk) 05:06, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Neutral Weak Keep - No real reason given to delete, and no strong reason to keep. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
Archive, blank. Do not delete history. This happened. Apparently teen celebrity political activism is hard to do. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:12, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

March 9, 2026

User:UBX/Anti-Neurodiversity

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violates WP:UBCR "Userboxes must not be inflammatory or substantially divisive" and WP:POLEMIC. being "against neurodiversity" is clearly inflammatory and hurtful to our large neurodiverse editor base and is harmful to a collaborative and friendly editing environment. it's only used by one user, its creator (and their new account). ... sawyer * any/all * talk 17:50, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 18:11, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete This userbox was clearly meant to attack autistic people. For the record, I hate the word "neurodivergent" despite being autistic myself. The Knowledge Pirate (talk) 20:19, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
    Neurodiversity is not a euphemism for autism, but an umbrella term & framework which includes a number of other communities as well, although our opinions on the term itself are irrelevant to the deletion of this userbox. ... sawyer * any/all * talk 20:23, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete hurtful attack userbox. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 14:47, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete: This definitely smells like a divisive userbox to me. YOSHI128K talk! 16:07, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete per above TruenoCity (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
Delete per nom. TheTechie[she/they] | talk? 21:57, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
Delete I was going to nominate it for deletion myself. It's a hateful userbox. I didn't because I had recently discussed the userbox on a Wikimedia Discord server, which might be where sawyer first saw it. I didn't mention the name of the userbox, but I still didn't want to accidentally canvas. Don't worry, sawyer didn't mention the userbox in the server after nominating, I just found out about this discussion after wanting to delete it myself. I 100% agree with sawyer. - Sebbog13 (talk) 03:53, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Draft:Kill line

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I am withdrawing this draft for consideration. See the discussion around the Wiktionary entry, potential for redirect to Precariat for more details. Notdexterslab (talk) 13:08, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Comment @Notdexterslab: Since you stated that you're withdrawing the draft, I've gone ahead and removed the AfC template from Draft:Kill line. That will remove it from the reviewer queue and it's no longer considered for publication. You don't need to delete the draft itself, but if you still want to, you can just tag it as WP:G7 and bypass the MfD process entirely. ~Liancetalk 20:05, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
    @Liance Thank you, it's appreciated! Notdexterslab (talk) 20:11, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
Allow deletion as a request by the sole substantive author. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mandy Rice-Davies applies

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This essay should be moved to someone's user space (probably the original creator, JzG's) because it flaty contradicts WP:DENIALS, part of the core BLP policy. WP:ESSAYS says Essays…that overtly contradict consensus, belong in the user namespace” Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:01, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Move to userspace. Not sure how this blatantly policy-violating essay has survived this long, but it has well and truly been supplanted by policy in any case. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 00:51, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
    I think with this change, which has not been challenged, the essay is no longer violating policy. Off and running (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Funny. WP:DENIALS was written specifically to rebut this, by people who think that implausible denials should be given equal weight with fact-based critique. Pretty much the exact situation Mandy Rice-Davies was talking about, in fact. The scenario I was discussing was, for example, RFK Jr. claiming not to be antivax, when every single credible source says he is. When the only source claiming a fact not to be true, is the person the fact is about, we should ignore it. But I recognise that this view is as unpopular on Wikipedia these days as the need for multiple independent sources, the idea of not being a directory, and the rest. Guy (help! - typo?) 15:27, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
    Funny. WP:DENIALS was written specifically to rebut this, by people who think that implausible denials should be given equal weight with fact-based critique. I don't think that is accurate, just before you made this essay, this was the BLP policy, which states If the subject has denied such allegations, that should also be reported. PackMecEng (talk) 19:13, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep This essay does not contradict WP:DENIALS. The essay applies to institutions, not exclusively individuals. While it may be agreed that, for the purpose of BLPs, a denial ought to be included, the same does not apply to organisations, businesses, governments, etc. For this reason, the essay should be retained. Cambial foliar❧ 17:20, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
    Aside from a random mention of "fake universities and fraudulent journals", every specific example in the essay refers to an individual. Therefore, it is in violation of BLP, and should be moved to user space per the OP's point regarding WP:ESSAYS. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 17:39, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
    It's not a BLP violation; that's absurd. No living person is even mentioned in the essay.
    The essay refers to "the subject" of an accusation. This term can refer either to a person or to an institution. Cambial foliar❧ 18:02, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep but rewrite, the essay is well useful for multiple scenarios, and though I think we should include WP:DENIALS per WP:BLP in cases where an accusation is made against a person, we are allowed to weight the positioning and highlighting of the denial accordingly per WP:MANDY. and there are cases where WP:MANDY applies and its not a BLP, such as for orgs, or if, say, the president of the US is trying to deny the USA ordered air strike on a school, hypothetically. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 02:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
    I did a cursory set of WP:BOLD changes, pinging @JzG who was the original author, feel free to revert if you think this breaks the spirit of what you were aiming for. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 02:51, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
    I further edited the page. I cannot fathom that the intention of the essay would be to say that it's OK to violate WP:NPOV. Off and running (talk) 17:17, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Move to userspace seems sensible to me. Doesn't seem like anyone's arguing to delete this, and userspace is precisely where we keep essays that some users agree with but which have a ... complicated relationship to actual policies and guidelines. Doesn't mean the essay is never ever useful, but I agree it is problematic given the stronger consensus about WP:DENIALS. Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:15, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
    Again, I am pretty sure DENIALS post-dates this and is reactionary in nature. There is a terrible tendency to behave like a newspaper. Newspapers always include a denial, however implausible. We are not obliged to follow suit. Consider all the accusations of rape against certain presidents. Do we need to include the denials of the world's most prolific liar, in rebuttal? Guy (help! - typo?) 11:09, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
    At the time of the essay's creation, this was the version of WP:BLP, which includes If the subject has denied such allegations, that should also be reported.. It's only the shortcut WP:DENIALS that was added a few years later, and it looks like there was an RfC around that point, too, reaffirming the existing language. I don't know that a reductio ad trumpum (I can't be the first to coin that, right?) is good basis for these kinds of broad bits of guidance, but userspace essays are good places to make a case that a piece of policy should be changed/read differently than it commonly is. Personally, and in general, I don't think a handful of words acknowledging the denial amid a bunch of text providing evidence and rebuttals and testimony harms understanding of the subject. Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:51, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
    I like "reductio ad trumpum". I may end up stealing it. ;) I also don't think it's a good idea to only have Trump in mind when examining the impact of this essay. Imagine a situation where Whistleblower says Company has a policy of dumping nuclear waste in lakes all over the world. Company responds by claiming the Whistleblower did it all. Whistleblower strongly denies this, saying he never had access to any of Company's nuclear sites other than the one where he was employed. This essay tries to tell editors to not include Whistleblower's denial, because... "Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?". This just doesn't sit right with me. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 17:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep if my bold rewrite of the nutshell is allowed to stand. Off and running (talk) 17:13, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Move to Userspace - Keeps getting used as a justification for ignoring BLP policy. It basically says to ignore WP:DENIALS and I don't think that's a good thing for the project. PackMecEng (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
    With this change, which has not been challenged, the essay no longer says to ignore WP:DENIALS, just to put the denials in the proper context. Off and running (talk) 16:01, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
    This essay is still named after an incident encouraging skepticism of denials, though. And includes lines like " the denial is not compelling or significant " linking to WP:UNDUE. But that's just the point: actually a denial IS usually significant, and very much DUE, even when (actually) false. Are you proposing "Mandy Rice-Davies doesn't apply"? I would think the essay fans would rather keep the spicy version in userspace, then a toned down one that says "actually, what this essay said before isn't Wikipedia policy". SnowFire (talk) 18:08, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Probably userspace but open to keeping in Wikipedia. This is a wide essay in topic, and some parts are harmless enough for Wikipedia space, but the spicier claims are best in userspace (which as usual does not mean something is wrong). For the case of something like RFK Jr., who says a ton of contradictory nonsense, of course a side comment that he's not anti-vaccine is probably not relevant to include, because he indisputably has said tons of actually anti-vaccine stuff and stands by it, so we report the WP:DUEWEIGHT proportion of his slant. And more generally, "rhetorical" claims - like a prosecutor announcing he's a kind, merciful person who only makes special exceptions for vengeance, but by the way we're seeking the death penalty because this case is just so horrible - we wouldn't use this to report "XYZ says he is a kind and merciful person." Obviously. However. The case of criminal accusations is very different and one where actual Wikipedia policy is clear, and unfortunately the page is named for this. Yes, we do provide the benefit of the doubt, and yes we do include denials. Re comment above: Yes, absolutely, if someone denies rape that is almost always worth including, even if they were caught on videotape or something. We can't have one rule for people accused of terrible things we dislike, and another rule for people accused of terrible things we like. All of them get to have their say, even when it's bonkers and at total variance with the seeming facts. Sure, maybe 80% of them are guilty, but police also just... lie. All the time. Plenty of accusations that seemed ironclad have turned out to be built on sand. It's valid to disagree with this stance, but I don't think including it in projectspace is the place to be. I suspect userspacing it would be easier than refactoring it to maybe say something the fans of it disagree with. SnowFire (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

March 7, 2026

Wikipedia:Articles written by a single editor/Articles list/Long list

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Unused, orphaned and very out of date, with no substantial edits since it was created in 2009. Mclay1 (talk) 07:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

March 6, 2026

User:Klio654/2022–23 Reading F.C. season

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Sandbox already created into formal article, plus using the league table template yet to be deleted which had discussed to usage abandonment. KyleRGiggs (talk) 09:28, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

March 4, 2026

Wikipedia:AREYOUNOWORHAVEYOUEVERBEEN

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This essay appears to be a political statement of some kind Lucasfergui1024 🇪🇸 13:52, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Delete or Userfy: while not a political statement, appears to be some nonsense that doesn't need to be in projectspace. TheTechie[she/they] | talk? 17:44, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep as creator. As I said in the essay, if you're proposing a policy that might inspire comparisons to McCarthyism, especially the kind that might inspire someone to type in this shortcut, not realizing it already exists, you might want to reconsider your proposal. And thanks so much for notifying me of this MfD. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:34, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
    In the talk page of this essay. I did explained that its not understandable at first sight.
    I refuse to take any position concerning the future of this essay. Anatole-berthe (talk) 15:29, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
  • nominator Delete, Userfy or Move per TheTechie and the name being in all caps with no spaces, that name would be better suited for a redirect. Lucasfergui1024 🇪🇸 12:41, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
    Please strike the bolds in the above comment, as you're already presumed to have !voted by nominating it for deletion in the first place. Also, moving it makes no sense, as the formatting of it as a "short"cut was intentional in its creation. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:46, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
    I have struck your vote, Lucasfergui1024. You are not permitted to vote twice. By nominating a page for deletion, that counts as your vote. TheTechie[she/they] | talk? 22:00, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Userfy. Essay is created entirely by one user, and seems to be a joke. Doesn't really need to be in project-space ApexParagon (talk) 16:47, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
    It wasn't a joke, it was created in the middle of the discussions about whether admins should be required to disclose past paid editing, ever, at the time of their RFA. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:02, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep. It would probably be easier to parse if it wasn't in all caps, and I can see that an explanation of the essay's history (and what it's referencing) on the talkpage might be useful to the !delete voters, but this is well within the bounds of what's acceptable as a project-space essay. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 20:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep At the time this had a lot of support because many of us know the McCarthyist reference. People sometimes think that contributors should be required to answer a question which boils down to "are you now or have you ever been [unfashionable thing]". History and thought show that is not desirable. Johnuniq (talk) 00:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Old business


March 4, 2026

User:Hrabowyc

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20-year-old abandoned draft of Tutor expertise in adult education. Apocheir (talk) 03:15, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

  • Delete - Not U6 or U7 because a user page rather than user subpage, but work of a non-contributor. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:35, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Move to subpage and redirect it appears that 18 years ago Hrabowyc used the user page as a draft space while writing Tutor expertise in adult education. I’m not sure if our policies considered that inappropriate then, but it is now, and so it should be moved to a sandbox and then redirected to provide attribution. 1brianm7 (talk) 16:27, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
    Can we merge the history of User:Hrabowyc with the history of Tutor expertise in adult education? It looks like the last revision of the former (before I got there) is identical to the first revision of the latter. Apocheir (talk) 02:23, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
    I honestly have no clue. I read up on WP:HISTMERGE and I think I misunderstood its attribution requirements and my reading of it has this not qualifying. Very possible that I am wrong. 1brianm7 (talk) 08:10, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

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