Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 165

On List of songs in Guitar Hero, the reference list at the bottom of the page is numbered differently than the in-line reference tags (it skips #7). I think the cutoff has something to do with the group Note, and I'm not sure if this error has come because of the new-looking tooltips. For some odd reason I can't seem to recreate this on any page other than other Guitar Hero songs lists. Hameltion (talk, contribs) 18:38, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Below is a simplified version of the issue with different numbers at C and Ref for C. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:37, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

A.^[1]

B.^{[Note 1]}

C^[2]

You need to repeat the group name inside the <ref> tag. This is a long-standing problem. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

This works:

{{#invoke:String|match|pattern='''.+|s = {{#lsth:Aviation}}}}

That transcludes the lead prose from the aviation article.

But, when I try and put it in a template, like this (to accept a parameter):

{{#invoke:String|match|pattern='''{{{1}}}.+|s = {{#lsth:{{{1}}}}}}}

It doesn't work.

All comments and suggestions are welcome.    — The Transhumanist   11:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

It's not possible. See Help:Labeled section transclusion#No template and phab:T39256. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:15, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

No, PrimeHunter, I think you are confusing defining LST blocks via template (not possible as you have proven) and calling LST via template, which there is no reason shouldn't be allowed by template. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello The Transhumanist. I think this will work:

{{#invoke:String|match|pattern='''.+|s = {{#lsth:{{#if:{{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|}}}}}}

If I understand your intent correctly.--John Cline (talk) 19:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@John Cline: This works:

{{#invoke:String|match|pattern='''.+|s = {{#lsth:{{{1}}}}}}}

And this works:

{{#invoke:String|match|pattern='''.+|s = {{#lsth:{{#if:{{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|}}}}}}

But this does not work (I'd like to insert a parameter in the pattern):

{{#invoke:String|match|pattern='''{{{1}}}.+|s = {{#lsth:{{{1}}}}}}}

That returns the error "String Module Error: Match not found".    — The Transhumanist   22:27, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

The Transhumanist, when I test the code at Special:ExpandTemplates

{{User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox163|Aviation}}

returns the lead of the Aviation article, whereas

{{User:The Transhumanist/Sandbox164|Aviation}}

returns "String Module Error: Match not found". If your goal is to pass the article's title using unnamed parameter 1, Sandbox163 does this, if you want a regular expression that always matches the lead text excluding Twinkle tags, infoboxs, and the likes, that is proving to be a difficult undertaking. I am going to continue testing for a solution. I wish you the best in the mean time.--John Cline (talk) 23:50, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. By the way, is there a way to include a variable in the match pattern?    — The Transhumanist   00:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Lua Patterns doesn't appear to provide a way to do this directly. Though, there might be a work around somewhere. Still looking.    — The Transhumanist   01:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@John Cline: There appears to be a way to include a Lua variable in a pattern match. How do you pull the current page name into a Lua variable?    — The Transhumanist   02:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

See my sandbox for a LUA module that might lead you to a solution. The module fetches everything from the beginning of an article to the first == section header. This works ok for Aviation because all of the hats are wrapped in <noinclude>...</noinclude> tags; try another article and the results might not be what you want.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:39, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I have Module:Sandbox/Galobtter/Get_lead; which has a nicer pattern that skips over to the lead. Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:46, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I tried something sort of similar to your ".+\n(.-'''.+)". It sort of worked but left out the lead's image which {{#lsth:Aviation}} includes. When I try your pattern in my module, I get nil when used in mw.ustring.match (content, ".+\n(.-'''.+)"); or the whole article minus the lead image and hat templates when used in string.match (content, ".+\n(.-'''.+)");. It is not clear to me why the mw.ustring.match() matches nothing. I have seen this before. The latter is because there is nothing in your pattern to stop string.match() from matching and consuming characters except that it runs out of characters to match and consume.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:28, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

When hovering over a blue linked title using popups the snippet rendered is similar to the snippet I believe we're trying to call. Does anyone know how popups retrieves its data (in case it can be used)?--John Cline (talk) 13:02, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Looks to me like an API call that returns article content in json format. From that, popups creates the html for rendering. See MediaWiki:Gadget-popups.js and look for function loadAPIPreview.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

So I was checking my created articles list, and one thing I noticed is that the article Yurika Endō is in it. The thing is: I didn't create the page, the article had recently undergone a history merge with a userspace draft that I wrote last month. What a weird bug: is there a way to make this more accurate? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't think there is. Can't see anything on Wikipedia:Administrators'_guide/Fixing_cut-and-paste_moves#Bugs that would explain this though. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

What's happening here is there are two revisions (1, 2) that have a parent revision ID of 0, when this is normally only the case with the first revision. In my opinion it's a bug with how histories are merged, but I can't say for sure. For XTools, I think we can just find the oldest revision with a parent ID of 0, which in this case would correctly attribute the article creation to Juandmarco. I'll look into fixing this soon. — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Resolved

Somehow File:Smokey the Bear sign.jpg is displaying sideways on Smokey_Bear. Can anyone explain and fix this? Please use {{ping}} to let me know. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Koavf:, it shows as properly vertical for me. Sometimes clearing your browser cache fixes stuff like this. If not, try looking at it in another browser and/or quitting and restarting your browser. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 08:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Koavf: is this resolved or are you still seeing the problem? BlackcurrantTea (talk) 09:51, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@BlackcurrantTea: Resolved yes, thank you. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:27, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

If you have rollback rights, you might be familiar with this problem: You want to thank someone, but you accidentally click the rollback link – since no confirmation is needed for rollbacks, this can lead to very unpleasant misunderstandings. A top wish from the German Technical Wishlist asked to solve this problem.

Here’s the solution suggested by the Technical Wishes team. If you have rollback rights, please let us know if this solution works for you. The feedback round ends on May 4th, 2018. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC) Please post your assessments on the feedback page on Meta.

NB that this solution isn't just the illustrated confirmation box--it also entails removing the rollback link by default from all list views (page histories, watchlists, user contributions, basically anything that isn't the shown diff page). It's significantly more disruptive than I thought at first glance. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Removing the rollback link from all list views is potentially very disruptive - such as when tracking a persistent vandalism-only user. This would not be acceptable, in my opinion. Home Lander (talk) 15:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Agree. Although, maybe having an inline 2nd confirmation (such as the 'thank' feature), would be better than a pop-up? Rehman 15:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Well there would be a preference. However indeed - part of why I requested rollback is precisely because it shows up in lists and allows quick reversion there, unlike Twinkle. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Home Lander and Galobtter: Hello and thanks for your thoughts on this topic. I'd like to ask you to post your assessments on the feedback page on Meta. This way, all ideas and opinions can be discussed in one place. Have a good Monday!. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:11, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

We should really tell Rehman the same thing. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:22, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Removing the "thank" function would also solve the problem of confusing the "thank" and "rollback" links. How many times do people accidentally click "rollback" without noticing? (If you notice, you just rollback your own edit, which takes 1 second and completely solves the problem). —Kusma (t·c) 09:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kusma: Please comment there, not here. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

18:16, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Is it technically possible to prevent the sitewide ability to move a page to a subpage of a nonexistent page? If not, can a filter be used to flag such a move when it has occurred?--John Cline (talk) 04:53, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Probably not, and that wouldn't be a good idea anyway. Talk:/r doesn't currently exist (although it would be perfectly valid to create it), but that should not prevent someone from moving subreddits whose articles are named incorrectly and have talk pages to the correct place. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 13:31, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Can you give an specific example of a move that was performed that you would want to prevent? — xaosflux ^Talk 00:00, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I am primarily concerned with people moving their talk page, along with its history, into an /Archive and then recreating the page anew. It disjoints the page's history and makes searching for earlier edits difficult. Archiving should be accomplished by cut and paste and unfortunately, administrators are the leading culprits in the counter intuitive method of moving pages to /Archive instead. I can find examples later, I am leaving right now, but I've seen this done quite often and don't think it's much of a little known practice.--John Cline (talk) 00:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

The docs show that using move to archive a talk page is not recommended. However, moving was a documented method in September 2012 and many admins are old timers from long before then. It is irritating to watch a talk page where moving is used because you end up with many archive pages on your watchlist however it would be awkward getting people to change their ways. Johnuniq (talk) 01:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree.--John Cline (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't think that this method would stop people from moving their talk pages anyway. If you move User_talk:Example to User_talk:Example/Archive, then User_talk:Example exists. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:22, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, I agree. It oft happens that one's "brilliant idea" isn't nearly as brilliant as one earlier believed. I know that sinking feeling, well; imagining 3 or 4 more reasons why it wouldn't actually work. Perhaps considering methods that won't work is the path to ideas that will? If so, I am keen in knowing I've done my part, perhaps even well. Thank you again.--John Cline (talk) 18:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

When I click on the edit link the page starts to open and then quickly goes back to read mode.--John Cline (talk) 13:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

The section edit link is working but the ones at the top of the page are not.--John Cline (talk) 13:21, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Works for me. Please link an example page, post the url you get by clicking the Edit tab, name your browser and your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering, and say whether it happens when you are logged out. Does it happen on a short page like Example? does it happen with safemode? It may help to clear your cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

And tell us what editor you're using. --Izno (talk) 13:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok, It has corrected, I cleared my temp files, cookies and cache, closed my open tabs, logged out, shut down, rebooted in safe mode (but accidentally didn't safeboot with networking), shut down again, started windows normally, and the top edit tab worked normally for me logged out, I logged in and it continues working. So I don't know what, if anything, I may have done to corrected things. Let me say, I did recently change a thing, and I may soon revert back to my former configuration, but let me ask if anyone knows of 1.1.1.1, known bugs with that service, and whether it could have contributed? I appreciate the help you guys so freely give, I'd have been technically lost long ago without you all! BTW Izno, what did you mean regarding what editor I am using?--John Cline (talk) 17:11, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia has settings to choose between multiple editors to edit pages. There is "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" (WP:VisualEditor) at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing, "New wikitext mode" (mw:2017 wikitext editor) at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures, and wikEd at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. VisualEditor and "New wikitext mode" add tags to edits and you don't use those. You probably use the normal source editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@John Cline: Some of these editors are mentioned in the Tech News: 2018-17 section directly below. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. Over the years, I have experimented with this and that, I probably have things enabled that I never use, and depreciated stuff that don't even work. As far as gadgets, I settled primarily on popups. I have something turned on that opens the edit window if I double tap any part of the page except if a blue link is there, which launches instead; that's about it. I used Huggle until it stopped allowing me to login, and AWB stopped working when I deleted Explorer (foolheatedly). It's probably my machine about to blink out; its been a good one, for a good while. Still wondering if somebody can speak about 1.1.1.1, That is the only thing substantially different that I have recently done. I stumbled on Draft:1.1.1.1, and ended up using the service. Best.--John Cline (talk) 21:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

@John Cline: MediaWiki has an overview of editor options, but even that is a tad outdated again already, since it doesn't include the syntaxhighlight options yet. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, using 1.1.1.1 as your dns resolver couldn't possibly cause this problem (Possibly it might cause you to not visit the most geographically close server to you, which could add a couple miliseconds to rendering time, particularly for not logged in users. If cloudflare was malicious (which they obviously aren't), they could in theory use the 1.1.1.1 dns server to prevent you from accessing wikipedia entirely). Bawolff (talk) 09:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

−I noticed that many citations on a wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh) use a site called webcitation.org. My security software (Norton) is red-alerting this as a "known dangerous site"; I tried linking via a couple of the original URLs (i.e. without the webcitation.org prefix) and they worked fine that way. I started to correct them on the page -- which is a page I didn't even want to spend any of my time on -- but then thought 1) what if this is a problem on other pages as well; 2) what if it's one of those actions the bots do automatically and deliberately, like those I see with "external links modified" and 3) (the bottom line) I don't know nearly enough to mess with this stuff. So I cancelled my changes and came here. I know so little, I'm not even at all sure where I should be bringing this up. Hope someone who knows what they're doing will make the necessary changes, or send this request to the appropriate department, or -- flush this whole note down the toilet. Whatever... alacarte (talk) 22:49, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I can't speak on the matter beyond mentioning a project page that talks about it here: Wikipedia:Using WebCite. I'll be reading it myself at watching this thread. Thanks.--John Cline (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Your security software seems to have a false flag set for the URL. WebCite is a known safe archiving service on the Internet, and we make extensive use of it on Wikipedia. Maybe GreenC has some more information. --Izno (talk) 00:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

WebCite is the second most common web archiving site on English Wikipedia, behind web.archive.org .. there is nothing inherently wrong with it, but there might be pages archived there that are dangerous which is why Norton is flagging the entire webcite domain since it sees the source URL in the path portion of the webcitation URL. -- GreenC 01:10, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@GreenC, Professor alacarte, and Izno: I've noticed that WebCite tends to directly load some third-party content, like Google Analytics tracking, instead of loading that content from an archived copy (which is what the Wayback Machine and archive.is do). This loading of content could be related to the security software, but I'm not sure. Jc86035 (talk) 11:58, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

In the last month or so, editing has become much more difficult. if I backspace to the front of the line, instead of the cursor moving to the end of the previous line, it moves to a random place in the previous line. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

It works for me. What is your browser and your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? Does it happen when you are logged out? Does it happen in safemode? Does it matter whether the previous line ends with a newline or is line wrapped? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Browser if Firefox and the skin is Vector, which I think is the default. I don't have any new beta features switched on. Suppose I move the insert point to after "previous" in the line above, which is wrapped. I then add two blank lines and "xxxx" I then backspace over the xxxx and the blank lines. The cursor winds up in the word "ends". Works okay in safemode though. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

If it works in safemode then it's probably an issue with JavaScript, maybe in User:Hawkeye7/common.js, User:Hawkeye7/vector.js, or something enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. Does it happen when you are logged out? There is no reason to examine your JavaScript if it also happens logged out. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Looks like an issue with Javascript. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 164#Severe display problems when editing and older archives. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:36, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Is there a reason why cells are no longer highlighted when hovered over in tables using the mw-datatable attribute? Per Help:Table#mw-datatable When a cursor hovers over the table, that row over which the cursor is on will be highlighted. Sadly this no longer works and there is no highlighting. 78.18.91.209 (talk) 18:20, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It works for me in Firefox. What is your browser? Try to clear your cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Works for me in Chrome as well. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe it's the OS I'm using. I'm currently viewing Wikipedia in desktop mode on an iPad running iOS 10. Before yesterday whenever I tapped a cell it would be highlighted, yet that no longer happens for some reason. 78.18.91.209 (talk) 10:37, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I've run into a bit of a mystery...

This works: {{#section:Donald Trump|Lead text}}

This doesn't work: {{#section:Physical geography|Lead text}}

Can anyone explain to me why?

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   23:29, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

The wikitext at Donald Trump contains:

<section begin=Lead text />
...
<section end=Lead text />

At Help:Magic words, search for "#section" to find a link to documentation. I hope transclusions like this are rare because it is very unlikely that the same text is really useful in two places, and it is likely that future edits will either break the transclusion or make it inappropriate. Johnuniq (talk) 23:43, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you.

See Portal:Donald Trump, and Portal:Donald Trump/Intro.    — The Transhumanist   23:48, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

See Help:Labeled section transclusion. 21lima (talk) 12:19, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi all

So I've tried recently to find articles within the Draft: space from Wikipedia:Drafts to work on but I have found it very difficult because I have to go to each one individually to check what is in it.

I think that having a page with an ORES rating would make this much easier. E.g pages with an ORES rating of 0.9 are probably more likely to only need a small amount of work to get them to being publishable than an article with a rating of 0.4.

Would this be difficult to set up? I would be very happy to work on the documentation around it if someone technical could set up the actual rating system.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 19:55, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi John Cummings! I don't think it would be that hard. I'd like to see the Page Curation Tool start integrating ORES predictions. I think the most difficult work to make that happen is to make ORES predictions available inside of MediaWiki so tools like that can query them in a straightforward way. We've just finished work to make those predictions available. See Phab:T175757 (pending deployment). We'll be working to get that "draftquality" and "drafttopic" predictions in there soon too -- probably with a month. These predictions will allow you to quickly identify new drafts that are likely to be spam (G11), attack (G10), or vandalism (G3) (draftquality) and to categorize the rest by topic so you can review the drafts that align with your interests/expertise -- maybe even prioritizing the highest quality drafts first (wp10/articlequality). Once these are available in MediaWiki's internal databases, we need to find places to surface the predictions and to filter by them. Where would you want see the predictions surfaced? I think once we decide on a location to surface a prediction, we can build a better estimate of how much dev work it'll take. --Halfak (WMF) (talk) 21:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I've run ORES over AFC before: User:SQL/Interesting_AFC_Stuff. no one seemed interested. SQL^{Query me!} 01:36, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks very much @Halfak (WMF): and @SQL:. @SQL I never saw this before, very interesting :) @Halfak, this is very timely, I guess I'd really like to see Wikipedia:Drafts become a place for people to rescue drafts from drafts hell and get turned into articles, to become more of a place to collaborate on articles before (not only after) they are published. I think this will help less effort be wasted when people create a draft or when an Article for Deletion is moved to draft space. Do you have an example of what an ORES page might look like? I'm aware that there may be a very high volume of drafts so displaying them all may be quite a large page..... Thanks again both. John Cummings (talk) 15:33, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I've been thinking about tagging draft talkpages with ORES wp10 predictions, and maybe draftquality as well. It wouldn't be terribly hard. SQL^{Query me!} 03:25, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

SQL cool! Nice to see you experimenting with that. I think we need to find a good way to get this in front of people. E.g. if we could implement a sort-of backlog browser that could take advantage of some of these machine predictions and other filter criteria, we could help people to "rescue drafts from drafts hell and get turned into articles". John Cummings, I can't tell you how excited I am that you've got an eye for this too. I wonder if we could work with SQL to develop a sort-able list using the draft quality/wp10 models now. If we have a few people try to use it, that will help us better understand what is missing -- and what would be important for the draft hell backlog browser tool.  :) I'm hoping to have the draft topic model deployed and well documented in time for the Wikimedia Hackathon in Barcelona. Either of you interested in attending or maybe just hacking with us remotely? --Halfak (WMF) (talk) 20:46, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Halfak (WMF): Sort-able list is on it's way now (was very easy to code). Will be at User:SQL/AFC-Ores when it's done. I'll have SQLBot update it daily / make source code available later tonight. SQL^{Query me!} 21:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Halfak (WMF): and @SQL: I'm not a programmer but very eager to help to get this off the ground where I can (I guess working on usability, beta testing etc), ley me know where I can help :) John Cummings (talk) 21:42, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@SQL:, this looks amazing, one suggestion I have is to have table sorted by OK% as the default. Is is possible to have it updated more commonly than daily? Just thinking if it becomes popular then people may trip over each other? John Cummings (talk) 21:45, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@John Cummings: - Easily implemented! First run just completed. How often would you think we should update? SQL^{Query me!} 21:56, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@SQL: super, is it possible to add definitions of the table columns at the top? I'm not clear what they all mean exactly. No idea how often they should update, is there something similar we could look at and see how often they update? John Cummings (talk) 09:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done SQL^{Query me!} 16:22, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@SQL: amazing work. My only other thoughts are about the order of the columns, I think the OK% column is probably the most useful so should go before the other % measurements (it appears to be a summary of the other percentages?). Just an observation that having one very long file name in the the Article column makes that line very long. These are all a bit of nitpicking rather than big things, I feel like its ready to be used when a short introduction is added to explain the purpose of the list, something like:

This list (generated by ORES) rates draft articles to help users find suitable articles to improve and then publish.

Any suggestions on the best way to integrate this into the Wikipedia:Drafts page? I'm aware its a very long list...perhaps a translusion with a scrolling section or a collapsable section?

John Cummings (talk) 19:31, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Two things - one, I was thinking of removing "Vandalism" and "Attack" all together - they aren't really useful in this context. Two - maybe 'top 25 possible copyvios' / 'top 25 spam' / bottom (and/or top) 25 OK tables transcluded onto WP:DRAFTS? SQL^{Query me!} 02:52, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@SQL:, I think removing vandalism and attack are a good idea, I've been looking at the spam articles and many of them appear to be of notable subjects, just written in a tone that doesn't fit with Wikipedia so I'm not sure how useful that label is. Transcluding the top 25 would be a great idea, I guess if one gets popular you could upgrade to top 50... Let me know if there's anything I can do to help, once its live I'll be sure to let people know about it :) John Cummings (talk) 07:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@SQL: oh p.s I think just replacing the 'finding drafts' section on Wikipedia:Drafts is probably the best place to put it. If you want any help rewriting the section let me know. John Cummings (talk) 12:36, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@John Cummings: Sorry for the delay, but I've got it up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/tables - the bot should finish filling in the FA/GA prediction table (and flipping the 'top 25 ok' table) in ~5-6 hours. SQL^{Query me!} 12:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi John Cummings. I would suggest to use wikiproject assessment for this. See User:Kephir/gadgets/rater.js, Special:PageAssessments (example). Gryllida (talk) 21:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Gryllida:, I'll take a look. John Cummings (talk) 21:42, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

The other WP:RATER has ORES built in for page assessment as well (I have found it to be reasonably accurate). Kephir's rater has some advantages, but isn't being actively developed any more. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 23:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Did not know of it before, thank you. Gryllida 01:38, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi all -- I'm Marshall Miller; I'm a new product manager on the Community Tech team with DannyH at WMF. As part of the follow-up to ACTRIAL, the Community Tech team is going to have some bandwidth over the next couple months to take on an improvement to the AfC process. I've been following along with the conversation on this talk page and elsewhere to learn about the biggest challenges facing AfC and the ideas for improving it.

I’ve attempted to summarize AfC’s challenges, goals, and ideas for improvement here: AfC Process Improvement May 2018.

The idea of integrating ORES scores or Copyvio checks in a streamlined fashion into the AfC workflow is one of the ideas being discussed on the talk page of that summary linked above, so I wanted to let you know in case you want to participate in that conversation over the course of the next week as we consolidate around some of the top ideas for improvements that WMF could help with.

FYI: John Cummings, SQL, Insertcleverphrasehere, Gryllida, Halfak (WMF)

MMiller (WMF) (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Responded on the talk page. I am not an experienced articles for creation reviewer, so please be wary of some of my comments that might be misleading or counter constructive as a result. --Gryllida (talk) 04:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

the tables seem very useful. I want to track what actually happens to the articles there. Is there any automatic way of providing a historical record of what gets added/removed, or snapshots at intervals? (If not, I may do it manually). DGG ( talk ) 20:23, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@DGG: - This query should do it. It only goes back as far as the recentchanges table, IIRC 30 days-ish? SQL^{Query me!} 01:35, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

There's also the Daily Delta, updated daily. SQL^{Query me!} 01:36, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@SQL:, Wikipedia:Drafts looks great :), I just did a bit of testing with a few volunteers and we have a few requests of changes:

1. Please can the list update more frequently or have a manual update button (its not clear on how regularly the page updates).
2. Is it possible to link to longer lists than top 25 for each section? E.g Top 250? One of the testers wanted to start using the draft space as their place to create articles and getting to the Top 25 is a bit of a dark art.
3. The term 'OK drafts' is a bit confusing, is saying 'highest quality' and 'lowest quality' a good alternative?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 14:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@John Cummings: - Absolutely on all 3 points. It was updating daily, I've bumped that to ~every 6 hours. I can make some more subtables, possibly tomorrow. I don't think the OK% reflects the quality of the draft, but I'm not 100% sure. mw:ORES#Curation_support reads like it might be the inverse of the likelyhood of being CSD'ed for being spam/vandalism/attack. SQL^{Query me!} 01:41, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@SQL:, great stuff :), I'll think some more about the naming, maybe just 'highest rated', 'lowest rated' and 'potential spam'? Top 25 OK is very underwhelming :) John Cummings (talk) 13:33, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

@John Cummings: - Looks like the change presented here was undone by @Moxy: - . SQL^{Query me!} 04:17, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Great chart but simply overwhelmed for transclusion on this explanatory supplement page arrived at by many many talks. Pls dont make our editors looking to derive serviceable information from the page to have to scroll though a huge list at the start of a parent type article. --Moxy (talk) 04:35, 21 April 2018 (UTC) {{quotation }}

Discussion is now also at Wikipedia_talk:Drafts#Draft_chart_talk. SQL^{Query me!} 05:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Kudpung you may be interested in how this could dovetail into adding Drafts to the Page Curation function. Legacypac (talk) 05:02, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

The irony is that Aaron is talking about this earlier in the thread with John Cummings but they don't appear to be aware of the other discussions on the same topics in in other venues where Marshall Miller is also leading some discussions. I'm never sure how the work at the WMF overlaps, or if indeed it does, or even if we are discussing these issues at too many different venues.. That said, the simple answer is that it should dovetail. This is one of the very reasons why the New Pages Feed should incorporate the flow of Drafts - because AfC doesn't have such a flow overview. So it's all a bit chicken-egg. AFAICS, many new page reviewers AFAICS don't appear to be bothered to use most of the excellent article meta information that is displayed in the feed, which is a great shame, so I'm not sure if ORES would help much. It might even lead them to making even more superficial checks on the new pages. Too much reliance on AI technology sometimes turns out to be a net negative to accurate productivity. That said, overall, NPPers do indeed do a somewhat better job than the AfCers - for now. With the correct training in these apps however, perhaps we would meet our goals, but even the tutorial at WP:NPP seems to be a challenge for some. On a more positive note, I believe there is finally a fully automatic replacement for the sorely missed Coren Search Bot under development which would help enormously.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@SQL:, I reverted the removal. John Cummings (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Could you address the concern raised.--Moxy (talk) 12:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Moxy:, can you describe your concern here so that we can have a discussion about if it is possible to address this? Simply removing a useful tool people are using because you don't like it is disruptive editing, please leave the tool on the page until we have discussed. Thanks, John Cummings (talk) 15:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion: we change the tables to collapsed so that they are easy to find and access but do not take up room for people who are not using them. John Cummings (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Er, no, John Cummings, it's fairly standard practice - suggest you self-revert until there is consensus to include. Moxy is right: whether the tool is useful or not, it overwhelms the informational page, and it really isn't necessary to transclude it there at all for people to use it. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:43, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I suggest something like this, it maintains all of the functionality of the uncollapsed version and addresses the concerns of taking up space on the page John Cummings (talk) 16:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@John Cummings: Take a look at how this page's TOC now looks and behaves with that in place. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: Ah, sorry, forgot to change the section headings to <h4>, if the problem persists (I'm sure that's a way of avoiding it making section headings but it doesn't seem to have filtered through) I can just change it to big or something else. Other than the formatting issue I feel like this resolves the issue, what do you think? John Cummings (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Still persisting on my end. @Moxy: thoughts? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:50, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

As mentioned above simply overwhelming for an information page. Guess I will have to make a new page WP:Finding drafts for this table and explain what the chart is about and more info about the topic. Will do this in the next few days. This does raise a concern.....do we have these walls of links on other info type pages. If so perhaps we should explain accessibility concerns about this on our MOS pages. It's disruptive to have a wall of links leading to editors not getting serviceable information..... we know statistically editors simply won't scroll through all that mess wall of text to get any information *Which_parts_of_an_article_do_readers_read....we structure our help pages in a certain format for a reason Moxy (talk) 01:40, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing my attention back to the conversation here, Kudpung. Aaron and I have been talking a lot about this in the last couple weeks, so he and I are in sync on this front. SQL and John Cummings -- what you have been putting together so far is really great, and the Community Tech team is thinking on our end what we can learn from it as we mull over the potential improvements to AfC summarized here, which sound similar to what you're doing. We'll be able to build some more detail around our thoughts this coming week as people come back from Wikimedia Conference. -- MMiller (WMF) (talk) 15:26, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Marshall for pointing me to this. Aaron, SQL, John Cummings, and Gryllida, these lists are really excellent. However, and as mentioned above by DGG, doing this post facto they represent a lot of work for anyone wishing to work through them manually. AFAICS, AfC still has no recognised work flow in the sense that one exists for WP:NPP as shown in the chart by Insertcleverphrasehere, which while complex and somewhat intimidating, has received positive comments by serveral users, or the more simplified one at File:New Page Review Flow Chart.jpg. IMO, the meta information provided by ORES would be very useful if it were highlighted in the Special:NewPagesFeed if submitted drafts were to be incorporated there with a user defined option in the preferences to select drafts only. More reason to consider migrating the functions of AfC into the NewPagesFeed and Curation UIs. Despite the resistance of Community Tech to prioritise the upgrades required for these UIs, IMO this would be a more rational deployment of WMF resources.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:41, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kudpung:, Marshall, Aaron, SQL, DGG, Moxy, and Gryllida are you happy for me to re-add the list in the form below until a longer term solution is potentially found through the suggestions above? This solution reduces the size of the list when people aren't using it to 2 lines and does not effect the table of contents. I hope this proof of concept helps to show the value of having something more developed and so make it more likely to have resources allocated to making it happen. John Cummings (talk) 07:23, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I understand Moxy's concerns. My concern is more: Who will go to Wikipedia:Drafts and see and use the list even if it is collapsed? Perhaps it could be on a dedicated sub-page such as, just for example, Wikipedia:Drafts/ORES. That said, it would need to be linked to from AfC (and/or) the page patrolling tools. However, that would be the same parallel problem with CopyPatrol.Halfak (WMF) has said he would like to see ORES integrated into the Curation system, but I think he means into new arriving articles. I can certainly imaging that meta information being included in the entries in the Special:NewPagesFeed. So I ask again, what is the problem with giving AfC the opportunity to share that feed for their reviewing? It would seem to me to be a ready-made solution (bar the engineering). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Does ORES provide WikiProjects tags? If ORES was used to add WikiProject tags to any articles which do not already have them, that could be interesting. I am really interested in knowing what percentage of the main namespace is tagged with a WikiProject and what is not. --Gryllida (talk) 04:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Statistics (which is not perfect) suggests that about 90% of tagged articles are assessed, and that more articles are assessed than exist (which can happen if you assess an article and it gets merged/redirected). I don't know if those stats would let you make a satisfactory estimate. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:39, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

How many articles exist which are not tagged with a wikiproject tag? How is the situation there? --Gryllida (talk) 10:49, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know. If a bot were sent around to re-assesses all of the redirects as being redirects (and disambiguation pages as being dab pages), then you could probably calculate it. However, I think it's safe to assume that most articles are tagged, possibly 90% or even more. Clicking Special:Random ten times gave me ten tagged artices. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:30, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I wonder if yet any way to auto-hyphenate long words on browsers, as done 40 years ago by soft hyphens (versus "required hyphens"), to now wrap long words on narrow windows or smaller hand-held devices. See Danish sports page: "1927–28 Danmarksmesterskabsturneringen". I have used "<wbr>" to auto-wrap non-hyphen text, but want to auto-hyphenate to append "-" in each mid-word wrap. No hurry on this. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2018 More: As I recall, the soft-hyphen "&shy;" worked fine on either computer browsers or mobile phones, but there were concerns for some screenreader devices to handle Wikipedia pages. However, I was thinking the newer screenreaders could handle (skip) the "&shy" characters when processing the hyphenated text. Alternatively, I wonder if soft hyphens were to be limited to one per long word, as a compromise to reduce problems in screenreaders, that limit might allow more use of soft hyphens in WP text. -Wikid77 (talk) 04:06, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know the technical background, but see Phineas Gage for some extreme methods of markup, including {{shy}} (used 50 times). Johnuniq (talk) 05:02, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

i think the primary concern is readability of the wikitext honestly. Anyway, hyphenation is primary a layouting problem, and with HTML that makes it a responsibility of the browser, not of wikipedia. It seems that browsers still dont recognize syllables in arbitrary languages and thus still dont support this as a layouting option. Then again, i feel that people are increasingly confusing the web with a typesetting platform sometimes. Its not, the web is designed to be dynamic, not to be an optimal typesetting language. Thats what latex is for. You cant even dictate what font or what size of rendersurface a person is using, so dictating hyphenation is even harder and shy’ing every syllable of every word seems an excessive solution to a minor problem to me. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 06:24, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

There is a working draft CSS property for this btw. I haven't tested it since it was introduced in 2016, but maybe we should look at that again. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:26, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

The relevant W3C Working Draft was last updated on 22 August 2017 - just 8 months ago. It should not be considered stable, and is not a finished work - that won't occur until it is promoted to W3C Recommendation. Nutshell: don't rely on it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Seems like something we can easily experiment with in the mobile skin. Wonder if anyone will notice. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:44, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Just wanted to put a word in that I definitely noticed, as have some of my colleagues and friends. I understand that in the case of something similar to "Danmarksmesterskabsturneringen" that soft hyphens would be helpful, but hyphenating words of all lengths across line breaks really impacts the readability of an article. I'm not speaking with any knowledge about the different technical solutions to this, just purely feedback on how it affects some more casual Wikipedia users. Peloneous^tc 03:23, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I think we should make 'final' decision after 2 weeks to a month or so. Having a solid amount of feedback will be very useful. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:53, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. I'll keep an eye out on this page, so if the conversation or feedback about this moves to another location, I'd appreciate a link here to that. Peloneous^tc 03:45, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

On June 30, 2018, the Education Extension will be shut down.Education_Extension_scheduled_shutdown, Wikimedia outreach. so that i think special pages related to it should be removed from preference panel (this one for example).--مصعب (talk) 00:44, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi مصعب, that should occur along with phab:T125618, you can check on that specific concern in phab:T106123. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:31, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: thanks. I added my comment at phaprecator task. I wrote here just to make sure that there is no local mediawiki page need to be modified according to thia issue. Regards--مصعب (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

What does the tag "condition limit reached" mean? It appears in this edit but not in this one which is otherwise identical. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Redrose64: mw:Extension:AbuseFilter/Conditions —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:29, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

You can find information about a tag by clicking Tags at the edit and search the page (Ctrl+f in most browsers) for the tag text. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Neither of these replies have helped in any way. The way that I read the linked pages is that: either both of these MassMessage posts should have triggered the tag; or neither of them should have. How can it be that one triggers yet the other doesn't? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

The two diffs are posted to different user pages; one of the users could've triggered a few more conditions than the other, based on their username or edit count or whatever the filters on enwiki happen to check against. The condition limit takes into account short-circuit evaluation, so if a hypothetical filter has a condition that says (article_text rlike 'Phi.*') & <other stuff>, then the Whispyhistory edit will only accrue one condition (the rlike) and no more, because the rlike comparison failed and the filter can stop there, whereas the Philafrenzy edit will keep going, since it matched. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:29, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

We have been warned many times over the last year or so, but HTML Tidy seems to have been turned off. This means that pages with unclosed (or badly-closed) markup may now show large amounts of corruption. Examples:

• malformed </code> tag
• missing </small> tag
• malformed </tt> tag

--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:03, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

the third one listed is a direct result of a {{subst:Reviewer-notice}} (which has since been fixed), so it could be found on many user talk pages. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:26, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It seems to have been inadvertently enabled in all wikimedia wikis and certainly caused https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192855, and probably other reports there. It will probably be reverted as soon as the developers notice it. It makes the case for simply leaving it as is considering that there hasn't been that much of "drama" related to the early deploy.

Likely cause, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T185753 . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.218.92.93 (talk) 16:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the report 197. I've left a comment there regarding this thread. --Izno (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It was an accident, and is being fixed now.

In the meantime, please head over to WP:Linter and see what you can do to help. There are about five thousand articles with mis-nested tags and more with table problems. You can check any article by adding ?action=parsermigration-edit to end of the normal URL. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF): With ?action=parsermigration-edit, what exactly am I looking for? When I look at articles with mis-nested tags the first article listed is 2011–12 Galatasaray S.K. Men's Basketball season and there are apparently three problem with span tags in a Template:Basketballbox. So I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Galatasaray_S.K._Men%27s_Basketball_season?action=parsermigration-edit and I get a split display, two versions side by side. It seems that I'm comparing two versions, but what is there to help me pick out the actual problems - presumably, an unclosed <span> tag? There are no big red error messages, no bright yellow backgrounds, or any other visual clues that I can find. Or am I actually supposed to be looking at the code of Template:Basketballbox? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:18, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

All it does as far as I know is show the page using with and without tidy, so visual differences can be spotted. User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint gives what errors are there and can vaguely point to the chunk of code that is causing the problem. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:24, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Redrose64:, @Galobtter:, @Whatamidoing (WMF): Click on the edit link from the lint errors listing which will take you to the regular edit form with the wikitext section that is the source of the problem. You can then replace the ?action=edit part of the URL with ?action=parsermigration-edit and that will both give you the side-by-side preview and also continue to highlight the problematic wikitext section. For example, here is that link for the basketball season page. In this case, the problem is with '''{{Nowrap|[[Galatasaray Medical Park (men's basketball)|Galatasaray Medical Park]]''' {{flagicon|TUR}}}} where the quote tags are improperly nested across the nowrap-span. As you can tell, in some cases, there is no rendering difference since the fixups by Remex and Tidy are effectively the same, but this is hard to determine automatically, so we flag all potential cases. SSastry (WMF) (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@SSastry (WMF): Thank you I found and fixed them. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

You can also get quick access to this side-by-side comparison through your prefs. Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing and choose "Enable parser migration tool". Then look for a new option in the sidebar. NB that today this is in the "General" group at the top, and that during the next deployment train, it will move to the bottom of the page, in a new section called "Developer tools". Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:23, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Two thoughts:

• Most of the noticeable problems were on talk pages. The editors working on this problem are mostly focused on the mainspace. It might be a good idea to double-check your talk page and/or any other talk pages you care about. Just add ?action=parsermigration-edit to the end of the regular (/wiki/ style) URL, scroll down, and see if anything looks broken. Also, I want to thank User:Anomalocaris in particular for individually contacting editors whose sigs were broken, starting months ago, because getting those fixed will reduce the number of problems on active discussion pages such as this one.
• When this change happens (in about a month or two), any resulting formatting problems won't be visible until the page is re-parsed. This means that the problems will become visible after someone edits the page, when the page is purged, or when the cache expires. I expect, as a result of that delay, that people are going to see problems when someone makes an unrelated edit, and that this page is going to see questions along the lines of "I fixed this simple typo at the top, and now something's wrong at the end of the page, and reverting doesn't fix it". Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:03, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Could you open the article "Anybody Seen My Baby?" and try clicking on the "Bielorussian (taraškievica)" interwiki (the first one)? When I click on it, I am being sent to a page that doesn't have a question mark in its title (to a page that doesn't actually exist). But when I go to the corresponding Wikidata item and click on the same interwiki ("be_x_old") there, it works correctly. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:57, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

The page exists (very brief, in a language I don't know). -SusanLesch (talk) 14:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about "be-tarask:Anybody Seen My Baby" (no question mark)? No, the page "be-tarask:Anybody Seen My Baby" doesn't exist. The text says "There's no text on this page now", etc., and there's a button for creating a new article there. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:08, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

The actual Bielorussian (taraškievica) article is here: "be-tarask:Anybody Seen My Baby?". But that is not where the interwiki link on the English article "Anybody Seen My Baby?" leads me to. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:12, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Your "be-tarask:Anybody Seen My Baby?" doesn't work either. The problem is that an encoded question mark is dropped in a redirect between variants of Bielorussian. The link at Anybody Seen My Baby? is https://be-x-old.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anybody_Seen_My_Baby%3F. It includes the question mark %3F but redirects to https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anybody_Seen_My_Baby which drops %3F and displays the local MediaWiki:Noarticletext. The link at Anybody Seen My Baby? (Q3505390) says be_x_old as language code but the link actually goes to https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anybody_Seen_My_Baby%3F which includes %3F and works without redirecting. I don't know how the interlanguage link is supposed to work but something is broken. None of these work: be:Anybody Seen My Baby?, be-x-old:Anybody Seen My Baby?, be-tarask:Anybody Seen My Baby? I haven't found a way to make a working interwiki link to the correct url https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anybody_Seen_My_Baby%3F. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:28, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

"be:Anybody Seen My Baby?" works, it leads to the correct page (there is actually no article in the Bewiki).
But yes, something is broken with links to the Be-tarask Wikipedia ending in question marks. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:57, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Belarusian Wikipedia says:

There are two Belarusian Wikipedias (Belarusian: Беларуская Вікіпедыя; Taraškievica: Беларуская Вікіпэдыя) : one in the orthography of the Belarusian language which is official in modern Belarus (Narkamaŭka, prefix "be:"),^[1] and another one in the pre-reform of 1933, classical orthography (Taraškievica, prefix "be-tarask:", formerly "be-x-old:").^[2]

So it's apparently correct that be-x-old: redirects to be-tarask:, but it's an error that it drops an encoded question mark. Interwiki links get the redirect error because they produce a link to https://be-x-old.wikipedia.org instead of linking directly to https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org, even if you write be-tarask:Anybody Seen My Baby? Wikidata avoids the error by linking directly to https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org. be:Anybody Seen My Baby? makes a correct link which keeps %3F and doesn't redirect, but the Belarussian be variant has no article about this song. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Same problem here: "What Child Is This?". Interlanguage links ending with exclamation marks, on the other hand, seem to work, see "!T.O.O.H.!". --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

"!T.O.O.H.!" is actually an invalid example because it only links to be: and not be-x-old:. Here is an example showing that be: also makes a correct bewiki link with a question mark: be:За што? works, but its interlanguage link to be-x-old:За што? drops %3F in a redirect to be-tarask and fails to find https://be-tarask.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0_%D1%88%D1%82%D0%BE%3F. Question marks sometimes cause url confusion because an unencoded question mark signifies the start of a query string. be-x-old:BLAGI MAT!!! works, also in the interlanguage link at be:BLAGI MAT!!!, so you are right that exclamation marks don't have the problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Something seems off...we should link directly to the correct wiki location, not to the redirect. Also, the redirect should retain the full page title, not chop it off (I bet it's treating the ? as start of a query string). FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY ^[u+1F602] 16:20, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi. When I search in Google, find a Wikipedia article, instead of the English version, I'm taken to Google Translate for "Terjemahan". -SusanLesch (talk) 14:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

You probably installed a browser extension or something that does that. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

What exactly are you searching for? "Google Terjemahan" means "Google Translate" in Indonesian. --Moscow Connection (talk) 19:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Moscow Connection, Thank you! Then the mysterious language may be Indonesian. My husband's machine on the same connection doesn't do this so TheDJ might be right, too. It happens for any search, like "Minneapolis." -SusanLesch (talk) 21:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@SusanLesch: Are you using Google Chrome? If it is the case, go to Settings > Advanced > Languages and check your language preferences. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:06, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Can someone have a look at Category:1710s and click on the subcategories for each year. For me, on all the years, they expand to a message, saying: "Problem loading data. Please wait a moment and try again." The portion in italics is blue linked, but dead for me. Thanks.--John Cline (talk) 05:49, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

• Everything works for me. All the categories are there, I can browse them without any problem whatsoever. --Moscow Connection (talk) 06:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
  Update. I didn't understand the topic starter's message correctly. Yes, I can browse the subcategories, but if (instead of opening them) I just click on the arrows to expand them, I, too, see "Problem loading data. Please wait a moment and try again." --Moscow Connection (talk) 06:51, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
• Broken for me too, and not just from Category:1710s - any category with a solely numeric subcat, which itself has subcats. That is, Category:1710 through Category:1719 as viewed from from the 1710s category, or Category:12 as viewed from Category:Years; but not Category:1710s architecture, Category:AD 10, or Category:11 (which has no subcats and thus isn't openable). —Cryptic 06:27, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
• phab:T44938 from 2014 is about this. All other tested wikis also have the problem, e.g. commons:Category:1410s. The displayed messages are MediaWiki:Categorytree-error and MediaWiki:Categorytree-retry. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Some portals would like to show an excerpt from a page chosen from a category. Is there any way for a module or template to list the members of a category? title:getContent() on a category page just returns the "This is a list of foos" blurb, not the actual members. mw.site.stats.pagesInCategory counts the pages but doesn't reveal the titles. getContent doesn't work on Special:RandomInCategory, and transcluding it just produces a link rather than the text. Surely we don't need to write a bot to periodically copy the category page to a standard page (which we can then read easily)? Certes (talk) 01:32, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: You can get a listing of category members via Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Name, if it is restricted to namespace 0 (articles). This can be done via transclusion, e.g. {{Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Australia|namespace=0|limit=200}}, and so is available in Lua via frame:preprocess(). That's as far as I got in Module:Sandbox/Evad37/randomInCat, but it should be possible to do some pattern-matching magic to extract a random title from the whatlinkshere list. - Evad37 [talk] 04:39, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

No, actually, after looking into it a little. Returns a strip marker instead of the list, and per the reference manual can longer access the list: mw.text.unstrip no longer reveals the HTML behind special page transclusion, <ref> tags, and so on as it did in earlier versions of Scribunto. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:45, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Try {{#categorytree:Countries in Africa|hideroot|namespaces=Main}}. See mw:Extension:CategoryTree. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:38, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Nope, still gives strip marker Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:44, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Galobtter beat my reply but I'll post it anyway. That's interesting because putting that into Special:ExpandTemplates shows a bunch of HTML. By contrast, trying {{Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Australia|namespace=0|limit=200}} in ExpandTemplates shows merely a single line:

[[:Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Australia]]

However, the following shows that a module gets a strip marker rather than anything useful:

{{#invoke:dump|dumphtml|1= {{#categorytree:Countries in Africa|hideroot|namespaces=Main}} }} →

'"`UNIQ--item-102--QINU`"'

That expression is using Module:Dump to pretty-print the HTML produced by categorytree, but all it shows is a strip marker. Johnuniq (talk) 10:50, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Why are you overcomplicating it? There's no need for Lua - use it directly, like this:

You can put that in a template and it works just the same, I believe that some WikiProjects do this - possibly using the alternative syntax <categorytree hideroot=on namespaces=Main>Countries in Africa</categorytree>. A third valid syntax is {{#tag:categorytree|Countries in Africa|hideroot=on|namespaces=Main}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:27, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

The original question is about how to get a random article from a category (list the category members in a lua readable way), hence trying to get the output readable in lua so a random member can be selected. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:31, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for all the replies so far. #categorytree looks promising but I can't make it give me the titles within a module for further parsing. frame:preprocess returns the string "nil" (not Lua's nil value), and frame:expandTemplate gives an error (quite reasonably, since it's not a template). Attempting to preprocess a dummy page containing "<categorytree...", or to expandTemplate a template with that text, return the string "nil" too. Further suggestions are very welcome. Certes (talk) 12:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

This is another use-case for an interface between the MediaWiki API and Lua, even if only some API entry points. My only suggestion is a cron bot to post the data where Lua can pick it up. This 2014 thread and this 2016 comment by User:Mr. Stradivarius confirms Lua does not have access to category members. -- GreenC 14:33, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

When editing, I'm now seeing two mysterious extra checkmarks just below the proper check boxes. They first appeared a few days ago, but vanished within minutes. Now they're back: what are they for? MonoBook, Opera 36, Windows XP. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Have you tried other browsers ? Opera + monobook + XP isn't exactly... common. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:36, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

If I create a redirect a check mark appears below the box, not in it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:03, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I see this is already here. I like Monobook and I use Edge only at home.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

I have difficulty trying other browsers. I can't upgrade from XP since the hardware won't be able to handle anything more sophisticated, so I'm confined to using XP-compatible browsers. Safari hasn't been updated since about 2012; IE8 is rejected by MediaWiki; Chrome hasn't been updated since April 2016. Firefox still gets the occasional update but is horribly slow - three minutes to follow a link and six minutes to go back again, which is prohibitive for watchlist checking. That leaves Opera. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:31, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

If you have hardware that old, have you tried Ubuntu or another Linux OS? Their requirements should be significantly less than Windows (which is in the realm of 4 GB RAM just for the OS right now...). --Izno (talk) 00:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

In that vein, I've had a lot of luck using Neverware Cloudready (Chromium OS - turns your laptop / desktop into a chromebook / chromebox), booted from a thumbdrive in older machines. SQL^{Query me!} 00:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

These extra checkmarks also show up for me on my phone in the desktop version (Android 5.1.1, Samsung Browser 3, Monobook). Double sharp (talk) 02:35, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Redrose64, Vchimpanzee, and Double sharp:, This seems an issue with .oo-ui-checkboxInputWidget .oo-ui-checkboxInputWidget-checkIcon.oo-ui-iconElement-icon rule is hiding the checkmark for most users, but for some reason it doesn't seem to apply for these browsers.. strange. Did people try bypassing their browser cache ? What about on this page with debug mode enabled ?—TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@TheDJ: The problem persists for me even after purging, but doesn't appear with debug mode enabled. Double sharp (talk) 09:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I also see these extra checkmarks on my desktop (Monobook, IE11, Windows 7). Double sharp (talk) 12:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

It seems to be intermittent. and is currently behaving normally. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:59, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Filed a ticket, weirdness in play. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

@Redrose64: I looked into this, and it was a temporary issue when deploying a new version of MediaWiki – on last Thursday and last Monday, for about five minutes each, Wikipedia was using incompatible versions of HTML and CSS for the checkboxes, causing this weirdness on MonoBook (and causing the checkboxes to be very slightly misaligned on Vector and other skins). I wrote a longer description on the Phabricator task: phab:T192951#4155800. I think we understand why this happened and it shouldn't happen again. (Thank you for including the screenshot with your bug report, it was actually surprisingly helpful!) Matma Rex talk 22:54, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, while Opera 36 is probably the best browser you could be using if you still have to use Windows XP (and these weren't the cause of this problem), I really would recommend upgrading your hardware. You can get a decent used laptop (e.g. Thinkpad T500) for $100 or less, it should comfortably run Windows 7/10 (I have one, use it for testing the sites on old hardware sometimes). Matma Rex talk 23:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

The checkmarks are still appearing for me on my phone even after purging a page, though. Double sharp (talk) 23:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Matma Rex: They're also still appearing for me on my desktop even after bypassing my cache. Double sharp (talk) 15:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Matma Rex: Please disregard the above – I figured out that the persistence of the problem was caused by the line $(".oo-ui-checkboxInputWidget").removeClass("oo-ui-checkboxInputWidget") in my common.js page. I've removed this line and everything is now appearing as it should. Also, my thanks to @TheDJ: for suggesting that .oo-ui-checkboxInputWidget .oo-ui-checkboxInputWidget-checkIcon.oo-ui-iconElement-icon could be the problem, which prompted me to try doing this! Double sharp (talk) 16:30, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Checkboxes obscuring start of text

Seems to be a recent development: when I edit (standard wikitext mode) the two checkboxes in front of "this is a minor edit " and "watch this page" are now too big in all directions, which is most noticeable because they now obscure part of the "T" and part of the "W" of these two texts. Fram (talk) 13:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Fram: Try bypassing your browser cache, as apparently there was an intermittent issue yesterday, that might have ended up in your browser caches. If that is not it, the please try loading the edit page with safemode=1 as a url parameter to exclude any potential user scripts or gadgets as the cause of the problem. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:41, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Safemode=1 puts it just next to the boxes (though still extremely close. When I enlarge my screen to 200% (I normally work at 100%), I can't see any space between the left side of the T or W and the box, which isn't visually attractive. But, like I said, it is no longer obscured in safemode, so some gadget must cause the issue (I have no css or other fancy stuff added, only enabled or disabled things in preferences, most recently the "show the wikidata description" one). Fram (talk) 13:53, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

If you upload a screenshot of what you see, it might become possible for someone to guess the cause of the problem. Matma Rex talk 20:16, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Two example images added. Fram (talk) 13:58, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

There's a recent spate of seven consecutive malformed edit requests at Talk:Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas from various IPs. All of them are empty and as such weren't implemented. My assumption is that anons don't know how to properly file an edit request, but could someone check what it's all about? Brandmeister^talk 22:36, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

The IP's are from around the World so I guess nothing special is going on. If you click the "View source" tab or try to edit a protected page without permission then there is a "Submit an edit request" button. The form of the empty requests with dated headings show they all clicked the button and then saved without writing anything. This is quite common, it happened during nearly three months and the article had 117,383 views in the past 30 days alone, and the top has a box with an "improve this article" edit link which leads to the edit request button for IP's. Some editors just revert empty edit requests. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Brandmeister, Arjayay, Anon126, X201, IVORK, ElHef, and NiciVampireHeart: I normally assume that such drive-by empty requests are cases of somebody wondering "what does this button do?". I typically delete them unanswered. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:44, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Brandmeister^talk 07:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Some blank requests are people trying to edit the article, but not understanding, others are trying to get around the protection (it is not uncommon for an IP who has left a blank SPER to delete the pp template, hoping that doing so will grant them access). With many people's attention spans being so short, the instructions (seen here) are too long, the IP just wants to make an edit, not read a lot of instructions. I tend to leave a short instruction for the first/latest, empty SPER, which, sometimes, leads to a proper request. - Arjayay (talk) 09:43, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Howdy all, I use WP:EPH to assist with edit request which when clicking Remove Request states: "Are you sure you want to completely remove this edit request from the page? In general, this should not be done to good-faith requests, even if they are blank, unless they are duplicates of other requests by the same user, etc." in a popup. So that's the line I follow. I feel so long as pages have an archive it'd be no harm to give them the template x/y response and if really necessary remove them in bulk at a later date. Personally I think it is better to help that 1 in 5 that genuinely wanted to improve an article for the cost of a little more talk page spam. — IVORK _Discuss 12:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Arjayay: it is not uncommon for an IP who has left a blank SPER to delete the pp template, er, how can they remove the template if they can't edit the article? Please provide diffs of where this has happened.

Please also note that Template:Submit an edit request/preload does state "Blank edit requests will be declined." --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:40, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

My bad - I was thinking of Pending changes - Arjayay (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

However, as explained above WP:EPH states: "Are you sure you want to completely remove this edit request from the page? In general, this should not be done to good-faith requests, even if they are blank" so the current advice is mutually contradictory. - Arjayay (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

IP edit requests have become common in the past few years often with POINTy or otherwise vandal-like or trolling aspects. IMO the best solution is to delete them rather than littering the talk page which encourages more "requests". -- GreenC 20:44, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Please delete empty or suspected trolling edit requests. Look at it from the perspective of the other person: they see a button, they click it, they don't actually have a constructive proposal so some of them close the tab page and we see nothing, while others publish their thoughts. Such junk attracts other fluff and should not be encouraged. Johnuniq (talk) 00:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah that is what I do, just litters the talk page for no benefit, it is a test edit and thus is reasonable to revert. I do usually leave an explanation in the edit summary and revert the edit so they get a ping with the message. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:21, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

IPs can't be notified, not even by a revert. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:35, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

I do know that Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, you did write "revert the edit so they get a ping with the message". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:19, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, {{Infobox Muslim leader}} has to be merged into {{Infobox religious biography}} per the recent consensus. But that would require adding Islam as |religion= to all the pages using {{Infobox Muslim leader}}. Can anyone please help in the same? Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 02:20, 29 April 2018 (UTC) You can use Category:Pages using Infobox Muslim leader without religion parameter (0) for assistance. Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 02:26, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

AWB requests belong at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:11, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks § AWB request

 – — IVORK _Discuss 12:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Is there any way for PAGESINCATEGORY to display pages that appear in both of two categories? I don't mean adding the sums of two categories together, I mean showing only the pages that appear in Category A and Category B.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 18:19, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I think this tool does what you are looking for. Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (drone) 19:10, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

John Cummings is asking for a count, not a list. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Petscan returns a count as well as a list. --Izno (talk) 21:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

John Cummings specifically asked for PAGESINCATEGORY so I suspect he wants wiki code which automatically updates it in a wiki page. This is not possible. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

• I'm not sure if {{PAGESINCATEGORY}} will do what I think you are attempting and I couldn't find an existing template doing it. If I did understand you, however, I worked up a template that might do some of what your seem to be trying to do (hopefully). I've used Category:1711 births and Category:1711 deaths for a demonstration and they plug in to the template with the following syntax: {{Ct2|1711 births|1711 deaths|mode=pages}} and render as:

It has a few quirks but I am working to improve it.--John Cline (talk) 22:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

• @John Cline:, sorry for the late reply, thanks so much for all the effort :) I didn't explain myself very well, I'm just looking for something that will simply give me a number rather that a list (see the In Progress section on this page. I'm sure your work will be useful for many people, I encourage you to turn it into a template :) John Cummings (talk) 09:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

16:18, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Something very odd appears to be happening. The initial discussion was at WT:CS1. It looks to me as though MediaWiki has become somewhat schizophrenic in how it handles <bdi>...</bdi> in wikilinks. The cs1|2 templates use <bdi>...</bdi> to wrap titles for languages that use non-Latn scripts. <bdi>...</bdi> conveniently isolates unspecified text direction and allows the browser to determine how to correctly handle the wrapped text. This functionality in the cs1|2 templates is not new; it was introduced 11 October 2014.

As I began writing this, the page source for Help talk:Citation Style 1 had this:

<p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cpc.people.com.cn/BIG5/64162/64172/85037/85038/7104292.html">"Lǐ Dàzhāo de Zuòyòumíng" <bdi lang="zh">李大釗的座右銘</bdi></a></p>

I then clicked the edit link for the above-named section, clicked Show preview, right-clicked View page source, and got this from the source:

<p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cpc.people.com.cn/BIG5/64162/64172/85037/85038/7104292.html">"Lǐ Dàzhāo de Zuòyòumíng"</a></p>
<bdi lang="zh">李大釗的座右銘</bdi>

Then to be perverse, I clicked Publish changes (without changing anything), fetched a new page source where I found this:

<p><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://cpc.people.com.cn/BIG5/64162/64172/85037/85038/7104292.html">"Lǐ Dàzhāo de Zuòyòumíng"</a></p>
<bdi lang="zh">李大釗的座右銘</bdi>

The first version above is the desired version. I'm pretty sure that this isn't a browser bug (I'm using latest version Chrome) because the html is so obviously different in the three inspections which leads me to suspect something in how the Wiki source is rendered into html.

I checked the content of the <bdi>...</bdi> just to be sure that there is nothing odd encoded there. There isn't. All of those characters belong to Unicode CJK Unified Ideographs (U+4E00–U+9FEA).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:12, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: we've been seeing odd behavior on meta: as well, breaking some templates with bdi - see also meta:Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Please_unbreak_Template:Not_done. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:21, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@SSastry (WMF): I know this is a bit outside your bailwick, but maybe someone on the parser team can look at this? --Izno (talk) 13:56, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

The parser is parsing it just fine. Tidy is screwing around with it based on some other broken code elsewhere. Open the section with parsermigration-edit and you see that the right hand side is rendering correctly, and that is with Remex. When I parse this page locally with Parsoid with linting enabled, I see 3 linter complaints:

[warn/lint/missing-end-tag][enwiki/Help_talk:Citation_Style_1?oldid=838973629] {"type":"missing-end-tag","params":{"name":"p","inTable":false},"dsr":[36381,36601,3,0]}
[warn/lint/missing-end-tag][enwiki/Help_talk:Citation_Style_1?oldid=838973629] {"type":"missing-end-tag","params":{"name":"p","inTable":false},"dsr":[48956,108732,null,null],"templateInfo":{"multiPartTemplateBlock":true}}
[warn/lint/stripped-tag][enwiki/Help_talk:Citation_Style_1?oldid=838973629] {"type":"stripped-tag","params":{"name":"CODE"},"dsr":[196639,197117,null,null],"templateInfo":{"name":"Template:Cite_book"}}

So, my speculation is: if you fix the missing-end-tag for the p-tag on the page around character offsets 36381 - 36601, my guess is you should probably see expected behavior with Tidy as well. Or, wait for Tidy to be switched (end of June). SSastry (WMF) (talk) 14:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

There, I fixed it for you. And I see that this VPT page also has unclosed <p> tags as well. FYI. SSastry (WMF) (talk) 14:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I confess that I don't understand the meaning of the linter output. However, I was able to glean sufficient information to lead me to a fix at Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration/sandbox for an extraneous </close> tag. That particular error has been in place since 14 October 2015. So, thanks for the clue.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:34, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I left this out: Even with the linter errors fixed higher up in the page, when editing the section, those errors are out of scope for an html rendering via Show preview. For the examples above, I was editing the section, not the whole page. This leads me to think that the linter errors are not the cause of the <bdi>...</bdi> problem because the linter did not find any errors in the section.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:21, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

You are correct. The broken behavior is back - which is weird. Parsoid's output looks good. So, you can reduce it down to a single external link. And, if you keep hitting 'Show Preview' repeatedly, in some cases, the rendering looks good, and in other case, it doesn't. So, this almost feels non-deterministic. I tried this on metawiki (which has Tidy) and I see the same behavior. I tried this on mediawiki (which has Remex) and I don't see this behavior. This is mysterious indeed and I am not sure why Tidy would do different things for different runs. Will file a ticket just to record this (just in case this is not Tidy-specific), but, it is unlikely we will try to fix it if we know it is Tidy-specific since Tidy is going away in 2 months. SSastry (WMF) (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Filed T193414. SSastry (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Good, thank you.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:07, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193414#4169091 -- Tidy is at fault for breaking up the link at the bdi tag. The non-determinism relates to version issues on different servers -- please check the phab task for details. But, once Tidy is removed (latest by end-June), this will no longer be an issue. SSastry (WMF) (talk) 18:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Some people, at Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Missing_Rollback_Options_in_Diff_View are reporting missing rollback buttons from twinkle in diff view. I'm wondering what the cause is Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:43, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

As an affected user I am also wondering. This problem seems to affect different browsers and skins. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Same here as well. I am using an up-to-date Chrome 66 and Windows 10, 64-bit. However the other Twinkle functions still works, it's just only the rollback links that are missing... theinstantmatrix (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

For me is it is missing in Wikitext view but is back (in a new form) in VisEd mode. I'm using Monobook skin. It seems to have started with the introduction of the new "browse history" widget. Was this introduction trailed somewhere? It passed me by if it was. The good news is the browse history header has buttons making it easy to switch to VisEd. SpinningSpark 21:20, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I already had the browse history on, and the problem didn't start then. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:26, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

If I turn off "Visual differences" in preferences and purge the cache then the problem goes away (but the "browse history" feature stays on). SpinningSpark 22:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I turned off "Automatically enable all new beta features" and "Visual differences" and the issue is resolved for now. It appears that this issue is being looked into. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:58, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks you two. I turned off visual differences and the issue has been resolved. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:53, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

It looks like this might be resolved later today (or tomorrow).

I believe that there was also a complaint about a conflict with WikEdDiff, but I'm not sure if that's the same thing. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:51, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry about this, I didn't anticipate that adding the "header" to visual diffs (which we did last week) would cause issues with other scripts. I've just proposed a patch to do this differently (in a way that should interact better with other tools like Twinkle), but it might take a day or two before we get it reviewed and deployed. In the meantime, if you want to keep using visual diffs and Twinkle, note that the "[restore this version]" link is actually present, but only when you switch to the "Visual" tab (using the buttons in top-right corner of the diff). Sorry! Matma Rex talk 21:20, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

This is fixed now. Matma Rex talk 00:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Is anyone aware of the default implementation of Navigation popups for unregistered users? We've had a couple of complaints to OTRS in the last few days and I'm not aware of any discussion or announcement saying that the function would be enabled automatically. Can anyone point me to the discussion where this was agreed upon, so that I can direct OTRS enquiries to the correct information? Cheers, Yunshui ^雲_水 08:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

It's not nav popups but page previews. See Page Previews. Nthep (talk) 08:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

And this discussion: Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 58#Page Previews.--John Cline (talk) 08:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks guys. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

If complaints are from users who dislike it then you can say it can be disabled on the gear wheel at the bottom right. Registered users can disable "Page previews" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Gadget : a namespace picklist for the search bar
• ←Z75SG61Ilunqpdb (talk) 04:15, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Are you requesting a new gadget with this feature? You can write the namespace and a colon in the search bar, e.g. wp:searching where wp: is an alias for Wikipedia:. You can click "Advanced" in search results pages to select one or more namespaces with a click. The below in your common JavaScript will add a "Search" link to the top of pages, going directly to Advanced search with "Article" selected. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

$.when( mw.loader.using( ['mediawiki.util'] ), $.ready ).done( function() {
  mw.util.addPortletLink(
    'p-personal',
    mw.util.getUrl( 'Special:Search' ) + '?profile=advanced&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&profile=advanced',
    'Search',
    'pt-Search',
    'Advanced search',
    null,
    '#pt-preferences'
  );
});

Do you guys have any plan to maintain, especially refactor, some of the modules? A keyword is "code smell", and then complexity… Some of the code is even worse than mine. Jeblad (talk) 21:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

The same could be said of many templates, noticeboards, and articles. The problem with refactoring a module (or a complex template) is that unless the time is spent to get fully immersed in defining the problem and solution, it is very easy to overlook gotchas, and testcases are usually absent or insufficient. At any rate, feel free to nominate a couple of modules that are used as needing refactoring. Johnuniq (talk) 00:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm trying to connect to MySQL at Toolforge via HeidiSQL, but after filling login form I get error "Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (10061)". But I don't see anywhere any reference to localhost. Probably I simply did something silly. Some help needed :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@BDavis (WMF) and Zhuyifei1999:? just pinging pretty-random Tech guys :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 06:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

You set up the SSH tunnel incorrectly. You want your computer <-> toolforge bastion <-> wiki replica. In the SSH tunnel you attempted to connect to wiki replica directly, which isn't possible and the enwiki.analytics.db.svc.eqiad.wmflabs will not resolve. Specify a bastion host instead, like login.tools.wmflabs.org with port 22 for ssh. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 14:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

As for why it's connecting to localhost but failed, the ssh tunnel is supposed to port-forward the port 3306 of enwiki.analytics.db.svc.eqiad.wmflabs to a local port on your computer, which you specified as 3306 as well. i.e. it will open a port 3306 on your computer (localhost) and relay all traffic to and from wiki replicas through the ssh connection. Since the configuration for ssh tunnel is broken, the tunnel cannot be set up, and the port will not open. The program will therefore fail to connect to the port. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 15:00, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Zhuyifei1999: Thanks for explanation, that was useful. But what's wrong now? And no matter what combination of ports I use... --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:29, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

What is the error message? I don't see anything else wrong besides some random speculations --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

@Zhuyifei1999: the same - "Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (10061)". --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

• Try change the local port to be 3306.
• Is your private key encrypted? If so try run an SSH agent like PuTTY's pagent.exe to have the key loaded.
• The password of the SSH tunnel might have to be blank.
• What is this plink.exe timeout? Try setting it to a higher value like a minute?

If no combinations of this works I'm out of ideas. (And since I don't use Windows I'm unable to test it for myself) --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 17:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

F* yes! plink.exe timeout worked nice :) Thanks a lot! --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:11, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I notice that Wikimedia software doesn't play midi files. What would be the likelihood of adding an extension which converts the file to ogg/mp3 on the backend, allowing modern browsers to play the file without a download? Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: Very small. The ticket has been open for almost 10 years now phab:T20852. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:01, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

I understand that having to open sound files separately is also a problem for Wikivoyage, Wikibooks, and Wikiversity contributors. Just being able to play the audio file in a phrasebook or other language-learning content, without having to open a separate page, would be very handy. Maybe something to remember for next year's m:Community Wishlist? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

MIDI files ain't audio files, but 'sequence' files (think of them as 'advanced' sheet music); there is no 'canonical' translation from a set of instructions for musical instruments to an audio waveform. Yes, certain softwares are able to do the synthesis and play the music (TiMidity++ is one such software in the FOSS world), but given the complexity, it's best to store both the 'instructions' (for what notes on what instruments are being played) and the waveform (for a canonical audible representation of the music).

And no, MIDI can't store pronunciations so it should not be relevant in a phrasebook or other language-learning content --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 17:53, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

The iPhone doesn't support MIDI playback. I tried MIDI.js which looks to be an in-browser synthesizer, but it did not work either. — Dispenser 10:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Zhuyifei1999, I believe that difficulties with playing inline audio is a general problem, not restricted specifically to MIDI files. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:36, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I noticed a recent change to the icons for featured content. In most places, including the top-right corners of articles, the icon in use is this: (this matches the first gallery icon below), but in some places it recently changed to this: (this matches the second gallery icon below). There is a clear difference between the two when placed side-by-side. This would not be a problem, except the change has not been implemented across the board (see the table in Template:icon). The commons links for the files themselves are here:

In my opinion, there should be consistency with which featured icons are used and to that end, I believe the former icon above should replace the latter icon above, as the former has a higher definition and looks better in icon form. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 04:20, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I also think that the icons should be consistent, although this has nothing to do with the resolution of the images, since they're SVGs and can be resized virtually infinitely; I have no strong preference for either icon. Jc86035's alternate account (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I also suggest using the former because the majority of the derivative bronze star icons are based on that one. Jackdude101 ^talk cont 14:25, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

In that case, agreed - if there is no clear difference between the two, but the former is used more widely then we should standardise on it. Richard⁰⁶¹² 18:59, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Are there any bots dedicated to archive URLs in reference templates such as "cite web", in a platform in the like of Web Archive? Has this been tried? Leefeni de Karik (talk) 03:21, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@Leefeni de Karik: meta:User:InternetArchiveBot. --Izno (talk) 04:21, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Location of Wikimania 2018—Cape Southern Sun Hotel

English Wikipedians can now use the mapframe function to embed maps right on a page. The map at right (which shows the location of this year’s Wikimania conference) demonstrates the functionality. Mapframe was requested by the English community via RfC last year and the request was reconfirmed this spring. If you you’re new to mapframe, this Kartographer help page shows how to use it.

Expect more significant new features in the coming weeks, with the implementation of the long-awaited map internationalization features. After internationalization, maps will display in the content language of the wiki they’re published on. Until then, they will continue to display in the language of the territory mapped. (You can experiment with internationalized maps on testwiki now—here’s a page of examples.)

These features are brought to you as part of the Map Improvements 2018 project. Please try mapframe out on English Wikipedia and let us know what you think on the project talk page. We’re listening. —JMatazzoni (WMF) (talk) 02:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Are the credits within the image itself - violating Wikipedia:Image use policy#Watermarks, credits, titles, and distortions - new? I don't recall seeing them on these maps before. —Cryptic 03:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

The credits aren't watermarked into the image (see this image or this one). They're positioned on top of the bottom-right corner of the image by the browser, obscuring a corner of the image. If you download the image, it won't contain credits or anything like that. --Roan Kattouw (WMF) (talk) 04:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

How to use with {{Infobox settlement}} ? Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 03:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Mapframes can also be inserted using the {{maplink}} template, which takes care of the tag syntax for you. - Evad37 [talk] 03:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Location of Wikimania 2018

E.g. compare the source code of this map with the one above - Evad37 [talk] 03:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Maplink doesn't look good. See Faridabad. Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 03:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Capankajsmilyo: Fixed , the problem was with {{climate chart}} not floating properly and the mapframe being a bit too wide. - Evad37 [talk] 04:07, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Not quite fixed yet. There's a lot of difference in the following

Vs

Faridabad map

Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 03:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you meant the placement/floating issue of the map compared to the other elements. If you want an area highlighted you need to use a line or shape feature rather than coordinates. And |plain=yes will set frameless mode, removing the outer frame and caption. Or if you want more complicated things (Template:Maplink#Things_this_template_can't_do), you might have to use the <mapframe>...</mapframe> tags directly. - Evad37 [talk] 04:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

• Further the mapframe is not displaying anything in smartphone view. It only displays when we switch to desktop view. Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 04:22, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Yeah, there's still a bunch of bugs listed at . Some of the ones related to phone usage include phab:T193312, phab:T193313, and phab:T193448. - Evad37 [talk] 04:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

This is getting closer: {{maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-width=250|frame-height=280|type=shape-inverse|zoom=7|frame-lat=29.185|frame-long=76.225|stroke-width=3|id=Q1174}} - Evad37 [talk] 04:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Looking better, boundary would look nice if less dense. Also, currently the {{Infobox settlement}} invokes Module:Location map/data/India Haryana. Can this be added to the same? Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 05:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Added a smaller stroke-width. Before adopting into infoboxes, the template should really support adding map data from multiple objects – e.g. an outline of an area plus one or more markers at various points. To do so in a sane way really require it to be rewritten in Lua - Evad37 [talk] 09:30, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

What is the easy way to localize a name in OSM? Is there any plans? Many places doesn't have Bengali localization, so last week i tried to have add some Bengali name. After so many steps i finally managed to add a translation & i took one minute to complete just for one place. আফতাব (talk) 22:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

BTW, there's a Wikidata-enabled version at commons:Template:Mapframe/Wikidata - anyone want to copy that over here? (if not, I'll look into it later.) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: {{Maplink}} is already Wikidata-enabled, e.g. for Boston (Q100 on Wikidata): {{maplink|frame=yes|type=point|id=Q100}} - Evad37 [talk] 15:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Map

@Capankajsmilyo: You can now do multiple feature with {{maplink}}, e.g. a city and a state:

{{Maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-width=250|frame-height=280|zoom=6|frame-lat=29.185|frame-long=76.225
|type=shape-inverse|id=Q1174|title=Haryana
|type2=point|id2=Q200663|stroke-width=3|title2=Faridabad
}}

- Evad37 [talk] 09:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

• There's another issue in the red boundary map. It lacks the Faridabad Dot. Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 09:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
  • @Capankajsmilyo:

    

    The marker for Faridabad shows up for me, see screenshot. Maybe you need to bypass your cache? - Evad37 [talk] 12:40, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

It does now. Thanks Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 13:24, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I've edited this page a lot, which can be seen at . But it seems to me that something in the 2 "top ten" piecharts is somewhat off, my % doesn't match my piece of pie. Any good reason for this? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I believe the percentages are percent out of total — so for example, you made 51 edits out of a total of 103, or 49.51& — but the pie charts are out of the top 10 — so 51 out of 90, or 56.67%. If you mouseover the pie chart slices, they display numbers (51, 9, etc.) not percentages. It's a little weird, perhaps, but it certainly makes the charts nicer. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 18:02, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

That does make an impressive amount of sense. Thank you, Amorymeltzer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

The character icons are all changed. I don't think the Template Wizard people are responsible because I have been following the implementation of that tool, and this change is more recent. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 14:13, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@L3X1: can you be more specific about "character icons", perhaps a screen shot about which component you are referring to? — xaosflux ^Talk 14:21, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Do you have the enhanced editing toolbar on in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing? I think that's what you mean; those icons were changed in phab:T191031. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:43, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Xaosflux and Amory Yes I have the enhanced toolbar, and thanks for the link to the phabricator page. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 14:59, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

re ping Amorymeltzer L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 15:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

This change was also announced in meta:Tech/News/2018/17. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 21:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello everyone! I'm Trevor, a product manager at the Wikimedia Foundation. My team, the Anti-Harassment Tools team, is working on a project to build page, namespace, category, and upload blocking. We see the full site block as a sledgehammer, when some user misconduct situations call more a more tactical response.

We have a direction for the tool — we want to expand on Special:Block. Our idea is detailed at Wikipedia talk:Community health initiative on English Wikipedia/Per user page, namespace, category, and upload blocking and we'd appreciate to hear from anyone interested about this approach.

Thank you and have a great day! — Trevor Bolliger, WMF Product Manager (t) 22:25, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Any idea why non-Latin alphabet terms don't seem to index in Google? If I search for a string of text in an article like "Dìbǐlìsī - 第比利斯 (simplified characters) (Chinese), Gürƶex - Гуьржех (Chechen), Guržeğe - ГуржегӀе (Ingush)", the Wikipedia page doesn't come up but the mirrors do. Sometimes it will show the non-Latin term as "missing" (like this) and the mirrors come up again. What gives? (I posted this query at WT:Search engine indexing as well if it's better discussed there.) —  AjaxSmack  00:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

In general if you search google in a foreign language it will return results in that language. For one of your examples, "Гуьржех" the #2 hit is w:ce:Гуьржи-Мохк. If you specifically ask google for enwiki (with Гуьржи-Мохк site:en.wikipedia.org as your search term) it will return a hit here. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:08, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Your example is List of names of Asian cities in different languages but it doesn't appear to be about non-Latin terms. Latin terms late in the tables also give no Google result, e.g. the Latin Tashkent site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_of_Asian_cities_in_different_languages. But Táiběi site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_of_Asian_cities_in_different_languages a row earlier works and Google's cache shows they indexed a version which includes Tashkent. Maybe the tables look so odd to Google that they just stop indexing them at some point around T (I haven't heard of such limitations before). Mirrors may have older shorter versions which don't rub Google the wrong way. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

​Thanks. You're right. The search returns/indexing give out in the middle of the "Taipei" list. Maybe it's just too long and needs to be split up like List of names of European cities in different languages. It's still weird because the mirror articles are also tables. —  AjaxSmack  02:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

To the right of my name and to the left of "talk", with Monobook, there is a 1 and it won't go anywhere even when I click on the notification.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:42, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Maybe phab:T179765? Stryn (talk) 19:56, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: Can you clear it if you go to Special:Notifications? — xaosflux ^Talk 20:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think so. What do I do when I'm there?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:28, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, it's gone now. I have no idea why.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:21, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I've had occurrences of this in the past and it's almost always been some welcome message on my user talk on a foreign language wiki that I have never edited or am unlikely to edit. For some reason the notification doesn't always show but the counter does. Switching cross-wiki notifications off and on again in preferences normally sorts it out. Nthep (talk) 07:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

During the Twinkle rollback bug issue (above) I reset all my settings. Now when I rollback and go to warn the User, the User TalkPage automatically launches in edit mode and not the static (read) mode I am used to. This also happens when I click on non-existant pages/redlinks. Any way to prevent this? Sorry if this is not the right forum to post such a question, let me know. Best, Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 11:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

As I reported here using QS tool through its interface can produce page with URL: https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#v1=Q4115189%09P4656%09%22https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Eco_Art%22%0A which allow you to successfully run the tool. However it you provide someone with the same URL clicking it places you on a page with URL: https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#v1=Q4115189%09P4656%09%22https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Eco%20Art%22%0A which does not allow you to successfully run the tool. It seems like process of clicking the link changes "_" in the URL to "%20" which results in errors. The issue seems to be with the browsers (I use Firefox and Chrome). Anyway to create URL that when clicked will produce the original URL? --Jarekt (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Th url decodes as:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/quickstatements/#v1=Q4115189 P4656 "https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Eco_Art"

Note the line feed at the end (%0A) the tabs (%09) the quotes (%22) .. in the fragment portion (#) of the URI.. quite a specimen :) Maybe that's how WikiData is supposed to work. Anyway, both URLs above work for me regardless of "_" or "%20" maybe try clearing browser cache (or QuickStatements has since been fixed). -- GreenC 18:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

User:GreenC thanks for looking into it. This URL is how one communicates with the tool that interacts with Wikidata. It has little to do with wikidata itself. Yes it is quite a specimen as it tries to encode in a URL wide range of commands and inputs. You said that both URLs above work for you. However I could not see in the history of Wikidata Sandbox (Q4115189) any evidence of your edits. You actually have to press "run" button (and possibly log in through oAuth) to test it. --Jarekt (talk) 19:34, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Ahh, I didn't get that far as I don't have an account. The percent-encode for "_" is %5F does it work if substituted? -- GreenC 21:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

No, space, underscore and %5F are all changed to %20. --Jarekt (talk) 11:43, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

18:55, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I've seen reports from Huggle, and just replicated with AWB. Unable to login via the API using passwords or botpasswords. Is anyone able to get in? api returning "bad password" type errors. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:16, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

FYI, after regeneration of botpassword, I was able to get an account on - yet another account that was not regenerated is still unable to logon with the existing botpassword. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I would think that not as a technical issue but a security issue - you know, the login problems.--1233^Talk 03:31, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

This could relate to the reports above and elsewhere concerning the current account cracking attack. A threshold of attempts per account might be exceeded, or a dev might have imposed some throttle? Johnuniq (talk) 04:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

We haven't done anything in response to the mass-account-failed-logins that would affect botpassword logins by normal users. Possibly people have been changing their passwords (Always a good thing to do now and again) which might reset your botpassword tokens. BWolff (WMF) (talk) 20:37, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

No solid finds in the phab ticket, other then identifying that invalidation of botpasswords does not present notification (yet). Anyone with this issue should be able to resolve by regenerating your Special:BotPasswords by going there, clicking yout botpassword name, then checking reset password and saving. You will need to update your tools/bots with the new password. — xaosflux ^Talk 21:11, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Resolved

In a template, how do I test for the non-existence of a (possibly empty) third positional parameter?

In this case the template takes only a max of 2 parameters and third indicates a possible error even if empty. So I want to treat any of these as an error

1. {{Mytemplate|foo||bar}}
2. {{Mytemplate|foo||bar}}
3. {{Mytemplate|foo|bar|}}

... but be happy with

1. {{Mytemplate|foo|bar}}
2. {{Mytemplate|foo|}}
3. {{Mytemplate|foo}}
4. {{Mytemplate||bar}}

I thought I coud take some test which would always throw an error if {{{3}}} was not supplied and use that "error" as my sign of health.

But now I can't find any such test.

I think I have done this before, but my brain seems mushy and I can't recall how I did it.

Any suggestions? (apart from Lua, which feel like overkill) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Something like this:

{{#if:{{{3}}}|<span class="error">Oh my, you supplied third parameter. Which is the worst thing you could do :)</span>}}

Pay attention to {{{3}}}. If it was {{{3|}}}, then the error would show up only if third param would be non-empty. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 04:03, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, @Edgars2007. I have been trying any options including variants of your suggestion, at User:BrownHairedGirl/sandbox8. The problem is that if {{{3}}} is not supplied its value is "{{{3}}}". See the current version. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:47, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

But if don't want to show third parameter (only test it and show warning), then it is OK... --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 04:57, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: No it isn't OK. The test gives a false positive, so it would trigger an warning when there is no problem. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:25, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

With the example that I gave you, all of those testcases you mentioned in tour initial post, would pass. If you want to show content of third parameter (if it's not empty) (that you didn't mention in initial post), then you can use additionally: {{#if:{{{3|}}}|Here are contents of third parameter: {{{3|}}}}} What is your use-case? Some real-life problem/template would be good to show. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 05:58, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for trying, Edgars2007 ... but I have already demonstrated how the test you propose gives a false positive.

I will see what other editors suggest. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:32, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: Without using Lua, best solution is probably {{#ifeq:{{{3|¬}}}|¬||<span class="error">Hello, I'm an error message.</span>}}. Jc86035's alternate account (talk) 06:59, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Bless you @Jc86035 (1). That does it, as shown in this test: no false positives & no false negatives. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:26, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

If I understand the original question, Module:Check for unknown parameters may be what you want. You can put {{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown={{main other|[[Category:Pages using TKTKTK with unknown parameters|_VALUE_{{PAGENAME}}]]}}|preview=Page using [[Template:TKTKTK]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_"|ignoreblank=n| 1 | 2 }} at the end of the template code to categorize any such articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:21, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks @Jonesey95. I used that instead of Jc86035's solufion because Module:Check for unknown parameters covers more cases, such as a named parameter.

See it in use at Template:Category pair where it populates Category:Pages using Template:Category pair with more than 2 parameters. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:02, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, what does Wikipedia says about having multiple Infoboxes for separate sections of same biography article? Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 02:28, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

What you wanted to hear about this topic on this page? From technical POV, it is possible. From non-technical POV (which of course would be better suited for other pages), I think it's OK. There are many examples on Wikipedia, person who is WWE and actor, e.g. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 03:59, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

So in such a case, should |module= be used or two separate Infoboxes? Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 04:03, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

I noticed that the English-language article on the Finnish architects Reima and Raili Pietilä was not linked to its respective articles in 10 other languages (incl. Finnish, Korean, etc.). However, in ALL the other languages the site is called just "Reima Pietilä". Reima and Raili Pietilä were an architect couple who nearly always worked together. But when I attempted to add the English-language version to the other language versions, it failed to so. I suppose I will have to change the name of the English-language site to be the same as the others in order for the language links to work? This bothers me, because in including both Reima and Raili Pietilä as an "architect couple" (cf. Charles and Ray Eames) the English-language page comes across as more enlightened.TTKK (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

​Three things you could do: The first is to manually add old school local links manually to the article. See WP:ILL § Local links for more info and nb the spirit of the second and third points. However, this will allow linking only to the Reima or the Raili article. The second would be to merge wikidata:Q17496278 into wikidata:Q2582922, but then you would lose "duo"/"married couple" attributes in Wikidata. The third, as you mentioned, would be to rename/split this article like five other Wikipedias do. This would allow linking to both the Reima and the Raili articles.

I will conduct the first option on the English page now. Review and feel free to edit revert. I also look forward to hearing from others who might know more about this topic. —  AjaxSmack  00:30, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

No, the second option is bad, very bad. Those are different topics, so they shouldn't be merged. About problem in general. I would suggest creating module (that is, copying from other Wikipedia - don't remmeber which), which takes iws from Wikidata item, that you pass as parameter. Pro - then iws are updating, not as in old-iws mode. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 04:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

​How do you do that? —  AjaxSmack  05:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Get some Lua guy, that writes you a module to do that (it shouldn't be very hard, but I'm not a Lua programmer). Or find the module on some other Wikipedia (don't remember which). --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 06:03, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

​​Thanks. It looks like this was copied from Swedish Wikipedia and can do it: Template:Interwiki extra. Not ideal as it cannot allow for links to more than one article (i.e., both Reima and Raili), but better than no IWs at all. —  AjaxSmack  05:11, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

When you move something from article space to draft/user space, you want to disable the categories with ":" prefixes. And do the reverse in the other direction. Is there some nice bit of automation which makes this easy? -- RoySmith (talk) 17:41, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

No clue, would just like to say that I'm interested as well.Naraht (talk) 19:17, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Erm, a find/replace? "[[Category"->"[[:Category", or "[[:Category"->"[[Category". Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 19:18, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

A category with sortkey like [[:Category:Words|X]] would display as X. I have made {{Draft categories}} which avoids this issue, permits lowercase c in "category:", imitates how categories are displayed, and actually adds the categories if the page is in mainspace. Example:

{{Draft categories|
[[Category:Words|X]]
[[category:Animals]]
}}

produces:

{{Draft categories}}

Maybe the imitation is too good and should give an indication that the page is not actually in the categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

I've added a sentence about the categories not yet implying, feel free to improve my wording, and more discussion about the template should probably go to the template's talk page. rchard2scout (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

A few days ago I added #p-cactions {overflow:scroll} to my Modern.css, as there are times when the links overflow the screen and I'd like to access them. It worked just fine, up to and including this morning (7:30AM EDT). I came back on around 11:30 EDT, and now there is a white bar obscuring most of the p-cactions menu bar. What changed in the intervening four hours? Adding that css code is sufficient to add the bar, and it happens here in safemode as well as other WMF wikis. Theoretically it affects vector, although obviously the dropdown menu means it just affects the appearance. It happens regardless of being logged-in or logged-out, and in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari. I first thought it was changed in the new software, but Special:Version says mw:MediaWiki_1.32/wmf.2 was installed days ago. Can't for the life of me track down what changed, figured I'd check here before going to phabricator. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:34, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

I guess it's the personal navigation links from userpage to log out you want full access to in Modern. They wrap in Vector. I don't know how to get scroll to work but can you live with a smaller font instead, e.g. 70%:

#p-personal .pBody {font-size: 70%}

PrimeHunter (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

No, it's the #p-cactions menu (edit, history, delete, twinkle, etc.) It's the x-axis scroll bar blocking things; using overflow-y: scroll solves the issue. overflow: auto also works. I just can't figure out why it changed. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 18:29, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Could someone please walk me through page translation? I made a small change to a template and now Wikimedia is trying to walk me through some byzantine translation process even though I didn't change anything translation related, and I even clicked "do not invalidate translations". Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:44, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: you should ask over at: commons:Commons:Translators' noticeboard. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:31, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

In short, you edit the main template, and mark it for translation - you should be done now. Normally a script/bot updates the other languages. Is there a specific one not working? — xaosflux ^Talk 19:32, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Now, I don't know if it's just because I'm using the black background with green text or what, but I have "Add two new dropdown boxes below the edit summary box with some useful default summaries" selected in gadgets, and the text is very light, so it's hard to see against the white background the same goes with the upper bar at the top of the edit box. screenshot ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 22:58, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

What would you think of creating an autorollbacker user right that would automatically revert one's edits for a given time? Maybe it could be limited to rollbacking only non-autoconfirmed users and IPs to prevent abuse. If there is consensus to create this user right, I might start an RfC on it. Your suggestions would be welcome. Best, L293D (☎ • ✎) 16:14, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

You want to create a userright that automatically reverts any edit a user with that right makes? Am I understanding you correctly? ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:36, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

No. The right I am proposing would enable a trusted user to automatically rollbacke persistent vandals, so that they don't have to refresh their contribs every minute and revert. (To save time to CVU users) L293D (☎ • ✎) 16:38, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Ah okay, well that sounds like a block by another name. WP:AIV is the way to go. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:47, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

No, persistent disrupting users should be blocked, not continuously reverted - and this sounds like you want it to run server side - to continuously monitor someones contributions and undo them. When all you have is rollback...everything is rollback? — xaosflux ^Talk 16:43, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

@L293D: Re "server side" means this isn't something that can be done today, and either you would need to change mediawiki core, or write and have us adopt an extension for it; with blocking available I don't see either of these methods getting adopted. If you were thinking about something else on how the mechanics would work, please elaborate. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:51, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, the idea was to rollback them until they get blocked. Sometimes it takes half an hour, as was the case with Lachlan the editor yesterday. L293D (☎ • ✎) 17:03, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

That does happen; no comment on the wiseness of doing so but one could have a script to do that... Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:06, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

@L293D: I think there are 2 better options: (1) become an admin, (2) revisit that "vandal fighter" type access with includes rollback, block, delete (but not undelete) - that gets opposed with "be an admin" arguments most of the time.. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:16, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, for option 1, I have no chance of passing RfA anytime soon, but the "Vandal Fighter" right might be worth another RfC. If the proposal fails, then it would be nice if someone could write me a script that would rollback automatically, since I have almost no knowledge of Java. L293D (☎ • ✎) 17:25, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Note: I left a request for an autorollbacking script at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests. L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:16, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Please do not edit war. Not even with a troll. And certainly do not use an automaton to edit war. Report to WP:AIV or, for more urgent cases, also report at WP:ANI. Johnuniq (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

I said I would be used against vandals while they await blocking. But as you said, the tool might be abused to edit war, so this is why I suggested that the script would accept autorollbacking only users who are reported to AIV. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Any client side scripts can be fully controlled by clients - this is just not technically feasible to work how you describe it, plus you shouldn't revert war with anyone. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:00, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

16:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

If, for instance, I search for intitle:Applied" with incategory:"Physics journals", I get the following. All is cool, that works.

However, if I search for intitle:Appl." with incategory:"Redirects from ISO 4", I get this. Which is no results at all.

How do I make this work? Can it be done?Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Headbomb: I'm fairly certain that search will not return redirects when using a keyword like incategory (this search doesn't work). The documentation at Mediawiki wiki indicates that this is definitely true for some parameters, but doesn't say so about incategory. I did use WP:PETSCAN to get all the pages and then exported it to CSV (I couldn't get petscan's title regex to work), where I filtered the page title column in LibreOffice Calc. That might be your best shot. --Izno (talk) 05:20, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Izno: The idea would be to have something that can search for this live on the wiki, that I can put in a search box on Category:Redirects from ISO 4, similar to (but not quite the same as) the search box in Category:Infobox templates. The CSV file would be mostly pointless here. I tried insource:"R from ISO 4" or hastemplate: "R from ISO 4" to find the templates used to populate the category instead, but that ignores redirects too. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:27, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah, then you might be SOL. You can try filing a phab task to get the attention of the search guys to see if they know a way to do that. --Izno (talk) 05:39, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Yep, you found a rather complex bug. I filed a task for the search folks to take a look at. CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 16:48, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Is there a way to display a random picture of the day along with the corresponding caption?

Also, how can I set the {{rand}} template to restrict the numbers it picks. For instance 5-6? Also how can I set it to generate a leading 0 before any number smaller than 10 i.e. 01 not 1. --Tyw7  (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) 10:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Picture of the day#Random POTD says: Use {{User:My Chemistry romantic/Templates/Random POTD}} to display a randomly-selected POTD. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit: I saw that after posting this msg. I've gone ahead and done my own version with the code

<center>[[Image:{{POTD/{{#invoke:random|date|2007-01-01|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}|format=Y-m-d|same=yes}}|image}}|250px]]{{clear}} {{POTD/{{#invoke:random|date|2007-01-01|{{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}|format=Y-m-d|same=yes}}|caption}} </center> {{User:Tyw7/picofday}}

--Tyw7  (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) 11:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

You could use mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##expr to add a value to the result of {{rand}} but it may be easier to use Module:Random#Number. {{padleft:n|2}} from mw:Help:Magic words#Formatting will add a leading 0 if n is one character, e.g. {{padleft:1|2}}: 01. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. --Tyw7  (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) 11:37, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Birgit Müller (WMDE) 14:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Looks nifty! I suppose I'll find out tomorrow, but will this affect how search results are displayed in any way, or will it leave those unaltered? ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:44, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks :-) - no this will not affect how search results are displayed. Basically, AdvancedSearch serves as an interface for some of the special search options that are already provided in CirrusSearch, but are difficult to find or to remember - especially when you want to combine several of them. E.g. you would get the same results if you manually type intitle:foo into the search field or use advancedSearch for that. The main advantage of AdvancedSearch is: The existing options become way more visible, users don't have to know the syntax behind each search field, different parameters can be combined easily, and you can decide if you want to learn more about the search syntax (or just use it). - In case you test it in the next days - we're really interested in hearing how it works for everyone :-) Birgit Müller (WMDE) (talk) 14:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi everyone. The Readers web team has recently begun working on exposing issue templates on the mobile website. This follows a proposal from 2016. Currently, details about issues with page content are generally hidden on the mobile website. This leaves readers unaware of the reliability of the pages they are reading. The goal of this project is to improve awareness of particular issues within an article on the mobile web. We will do this by changing the visual styling of page issues.

So far, we have drafted a proposal on the design and implementation of the project. We were also able to run user testing on the proposed designs. The tests so far have positive results. Here is a quick summary of what we learned:

• The new treatment increases awareness of page issues among participants. This is true particularly when they are in a more evaluative/critical mode.
• Page issues make sense to readers and they understand how they work
• Readers care about page issues and consider them important
• Readers had overwhelmingly positive sentiments towards Wikipedia associated with learning about page issues

Our next step would be to start implementing these changes. We wanted to reach out to you for any concerns, thoughts, and suggestions you might have before beginning development. Please visit the project page where we have more information and mockups of how this may look. Please leave feedback on the talk page. CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 19:34, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

After posting here JJMC89 was kind enough to create Wikipedia:Good articles/mismatches. I can update this myself. One issue I am having is redirects. If someone moves a Good Article without changing the link from the lists then it is currently recorded as a mismatch. There are nearly 400 redirects in Wikipedia:Good articles/mismatches#On Wikipedia:Good articles/all but not in Category:Good articles and many of these will actually redirect to a Good Article.

One way to fix this is to remove all redirects from Wikipedia:Good articles/all. Then when I create the mismatch list they will not appear. Is there an automated way to fix redirects at Wikipedia:Good articles/all. I know WP:NOTBROKEN, but in this case it kind of is. Email me if you are worried about WP:Beans. Failing that do you know an easy way (i.e. a tool or AWB function - not something that requires a bot) to remove the redirect from the bottom list if it leads to an article in the top list. The article from the top list should also be removed at the same time. I would rather not use a bot as it means I can't keep it updated (and we have enough trouble with AWOL bots at GA at the moment). AIRcorn (talk) 19:21, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@Aircorn: There is at least one gadget, and the possibility exists in your CSS, to display redirects in a different style than the default. That would get you most of the way to knowing which are the redirects, and removing or editing them as appropriate. --Izno (talk) 20:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Izno. I have it enabled so the redirects show light green, which is how I came up with the 400 number. It does help, but there are a few issues. Not all redirects match up and some are genuine mismatches that need to be removed. This usually happens when an editor merges or redirects a Good Article to another article. The other problem is that for me it doesn't highlight the target article. I need to identify both so I can remove them from both lists. AIRcorn (talk) 22:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@Aircorn: I use the CSS to check for redirects in navboxes--the way I know what the actual target article is is with either POPUPs (a second gadget) or Page Previews, which I think are in preferences under the Reading tab now (I use the Page Previews). --Izno (talk) 00:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I wrote a module at Commons that has worked well for 8 months. Now the links that it generates are broken. Like the template that it replaced, the module outputs links for navigation at Commons and it uses <bdi> (Bidirectional Isolation element) to wrap the label of each link so the browser can decide whether right-to-left text is needed. The first line that follows is an example of the output wikitext. The second line is the same with bdi removed.

• <span style="white-space:nowrap">[[Algeria|<bdi>Algeria</bdi>]]</span> → Algeria
• <span style="white-space:nowrap">[[Algeria|Algeria]]</span> → Algeria

The first line used to give a link just like the second line. Any idea what has changed that means it now doesn't? I merely copied the replaced template (which had performance problems) and don't know if bdi is necessary. Should bdi be used? The issue was raised at Commons here. Johnuniq (talk) 23:11, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

See this discussion above.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:18, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. That is now archived here and it mentions phab:T193414. The solution is to wait until the end of June for Tidy to be replaced with Remex. Johnuniq (talk) 03:05, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

A note re debugging: I tried a template with the problem at c:Special:ExpandTemplates and it worked correctly, whereas previewing the same template in a sandbox had broken links. I guess ExpandTemplates does not use Tidy and knowing that might be helpful if debugging stuff like this. I worked around the problem at Commons by temporarily removing bdi from the output. Johnuniq (talk) 03:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Has there been a change in the way navboxes behave? I'm sure that previously if I viewed a navbox on a page which is linked in the navbox, the link to the host article was disabled and displayed in bold but now that behaviour doesn't happen and a clickable link remains. Nthep (talk) 14:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

• This disabling and bolding is for all links (e.g Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical) is bolded and delinked); it hasn't changed to my knowledge. Perhaps in the instances you've seen the link in the navbox was a redirect instead of a direct link? Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:52, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Definitely not a redirect and I realise now it might be a skin issue, I'm using Modern and a check shows no issue on Vector or Monobook. Nthep (talk) 14:59, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

It is a skin problem due to a change in the core parser. The task DJ links below applies to the same issue in Timeless; there should be a separate patch (and/or task submitted) for Modern. --Izno (talk) 16:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

This is phab:T192033 —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:15, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Template:Str find/Module:String allows you to search for a string in a string. Is it possible to have them search for multiple strings in a string? Or to code something in LUA that would have an equivalent functionality?

For instance look for /(Medicine|Oncology)/ in 'Medicine journal'? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Looks like find in the module can take a regex. --Izno (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

So how would I structure the module invocation for that? {{#invoke:String|find|SOURCESTRING|REGEX}}? Because I don't see how a regex or (|) would play nice here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:44, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

All of the Module:String functions will use Lua patterns but Lua patterns don't support the alternation (|) operator. In Lua itself you would 'or' together the several string library functions to get the equivalent:

(string.match (source_variable, '(Medicine)') or string.match (source_variable, '(Oncology)'))

Using the String module:

{{#invoke:String|match|s={{{source}}} |pattern=Medicine |nomatch=}}{{#invoke:String|match|s={{{source}}} |pattern=Oncology |nomatch=}}

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:55, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Blergh, that is ugly as sin, and likely above my coding chops. However, I think I can half-ass something if I stack a bunch of finds inside an ifeq.

{{#if:{{#invoke:String|find|SourceString|TargetString1}}{{#invoke:String|find|SourceString|TargetString2}}...{{#invoke:String|find|SourceString|TargetStringN}}|match|no match}}

Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:04, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I want to use conditional logic in this template: User:Wikiinger/sandbox/AMD GPU features. However somehow it broke the table. If someone can advice? Thanks! Wikiinger (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

What exactly is your difficulty? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

It's hard to help without knowing what you are trying to do. I guess some of your pipes should say {{!}} instead. That's a way for some features to display or return a pipe without the pipe being interpreted as part of the syntax for the feature itself. See mw:Help:Magic words#Other. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

The goal is to use parameters (here "fixed", "TeraScale" and "GCN") to control the table layout. More precisely when the template is called like this {{User:Wikiinger/sandbox/AMD GPU features|fixed=0|TeraScale=0|GCN=1}} only the rows belonging to the GCN instructions set (the 5 most-right) and the left-most row should be displayed.

However it is failing much more early... From my understanding {{{GCN|1}}} should default the GCN parameter to 1. Next {{#ifeq: {{{GCN}}} | 1 |! [[AMD RX Vega series|Vega]]|}}, should "print" ! [[AMD RX Vega series|Vega]] if GCN=1. But one (or both) of these statements seem to fail...Wikiinger (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Both your statements are correct. I said I guess some of your pipes should say {{!}} instead. I took a guess at which ones. Does that help? It sounds like you are confusing rows and columns. Rows are horizontal and columns are vertical. There is no "left-most row". If you want to hide a whole column then you have to hide each cell in the column. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Take a careful look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions, and also Help:Conditional expressions.

Something to note: 'ifeq:' is for comparing string functions, and might get confused with numeric comparisons. Try a simple "if:" instead. E.g.: {{#ifeq: {{{GCN|0}}} | {{!}} Jan 2012}}. Note that logical value of both a supplied string value and a digit "1" are "true". ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I think you mean {{#if: {{{GCN|}}} | {{!}} Jan 2012}}. #if: is true for any non-empty string including the string "0", so {{#if: {{{GCN|0}}} | {{!}} Jan 2012}} returns {{!}} Jan 2012 if GCN is not set. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:36, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:04, 9 May 2018 (UTC)