Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football

One thing I have to bring up, I have to bring up whether Captain (Australian rules football) should be a soft or hard redirect because I frankly myself believe this should be a soft redirect per this discussion. Looking at the diffs: there has been some moving back and forth so to avoid a further edit war, I am bringing this to discussion. Another option would be to take it to deletion review to see if there would be any review on whether it should be soft redirect, non soft redirect or possibly even a merge. Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:30, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

The current discussion regarding appropriate protocol is at Talk:Captain (Australian rules football)#Redirection. Should anyone wish to contribute. ~2025-31245-28 (talk) 23:25, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Rito Skeeto has changed Brisbane Lions to include Fitzroy's premierships in the infobox. Per their edit summary, "If you wish to check the legal document, (https://viclions.wordpress.com/news/the-deed/), a contract, the Brisbane Lions claim all premierships as their own. The club also say as such. (https://www.lions.com.au/news/27827/a-history-of-premierships) their own. This is not a matter of consensus."

However, the merged club aren't credited with Fitzroy's premierships in sources like the AFL Record (see page 134 here). I am also concerned that, if we consider the premierships to belong to the merged club, it surely also follows that, on several occasions from 1986 to 1996, the club both lost to and defeated themselves. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 15:41, 31 January 2026 (UTC)

I think we should be going by reliable secondary sources, not a legal document and a club website. Personally, I've never seen a secondary source include Fitzroy's premierships with the Brisbane Lions. I'd be reverting that edit. OliveYouBean (talk) 22:10, 31 January 2026 (UTC)

Yep, I would be reverting that edit as well, I'm glad someone else took care of this already.

The extensive conversation about this overall issue on the Brisbane Lions Talk page, including all the evidence I provided, also reinforces the fact that Brisbane Lions and Fitzroy Football Club are not one and the same thing, never have been, and solid consensus was achieved long ago on this subject in Talk there. The Brisbane Bears page also reflects this consensus of course.

Fitzroy won those premierships, Fitzroy clearly still exists as a club, being the same club who competed in the VFA, VFL and AFL, hence those premierships obviously belong to Fitzroy.

Fair to say Rito Skeeto is also misreading the 1996 Deed of Arrangement to a pretty extraordinary degree. JayBee00 (talk) 10:30, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

The Lions' position has also changed over time, here it's the standard view expressed in 2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20040413072435/http://lions.com.au/default.asp?pg=lionshistory&spg=overview). I think, too, if you care to Wayback Machine some more, you'll find varying positions concerning who has played for the "Lions"

User:Aspirex is rather strongly objecting to the inclusion of an embedded, hidden list of season results on the Tasmania Football Club page, specifically in the Competitive debut section of the article. Given my previous attempts to catalogue the club's results in a dedicated article not unlike the 2026 Port Adelaide or 2026 Hawthorn articles have been deleted, it seems a reasonable compromise. I imagine that in the years to come, a curious reader might wonder how the club fared on-field in the lead up to joining the AFL and AFLW and would have easy-enough access to it there, as opposed to trawling through the 2026 VFL or VFLW season article, which lets be honest, some overzealous editor will likely one day claim is not notable enough to keep. For the record here is what my edit looks like in isolation, I envision there being a few more that would accompany it, for the VFLW and 2027 information. Global-Cityzen (talk) 04:53, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

I think the only viable options here are to recreate 2026 Tasmania Football Club season as a standalone article or to not include such tables anywhere. Putting it into the Tasmania Football Club history section is the least appropriate solution. To my mind, there should never be a match-by-match list of results on a club page for any season (let alone for a reserves/state league season on an AFL club's page); the whole reason why we spin these out to season articles is to not bog down the club articles with excessive statistical detail.

Which raises the question of should 2026 Tasmania Football Club season have an article. I would oppose that (and I was the one who redirected it to the main club page when it was first written) since it would be very much against project norms to have a season article for a club competing only at the state team level (especially given that league is viewed as a farm system); and I'd say it's a fairly clear violation of WP:NSEASONS for the same reason. This strikes at the question of what is notable for Wikipedia vs what should an interested reader use a stats hosting site like australianfootball.com to find. In any case all of the content is still there in the 2026 VFL season article so nothing will be outright lost. Aspirex (talk) 05:22, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

I think a match-by-match list is too much for the club article and would include there a summary of the season (such as how many games won, position on ladder, any notable events). For a match-by-match it should be on a separate season article. I'd personally not oppose it, but I'm on the inclusionist side and reality of Wikipedia is that it such a season article would unfortunately probably find it's way to AfD. --SuperJew (talk) 08:10, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

If I may - having had a read through of WP:NSEASONS that was linked by Asperix, it gives the suggestion of combining multiple seasons together if the notability of one season isn't notable enough for its own article. In this case, even though their 2026 or 2027 seasons may not be notable in and of themselves, I can absolutely see a combined article that covers both of Tasmania's pre-AFL seasons as meeting the notability requirements outlined, particularly given the fact their VFL entry is a prelude to their AFL one in 2028. The same solution could also be retroactively applied to GWS and Gold Coast, since those pages have also been raised as doing similar in relevant edit summaries. Would that potentially be an adequate compromise? Empole1 (talk) 14:39, 24 March 2026 (UTC)