Talk:2020 Formula One World Championship/Archive 4
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Changing flag icon to flagathlete.
This usage was recommended during the featured article review for 1982 and then implemented in accordance with WP:ACCESS. It should probably be applied here as well. 2A02:C7F:DC08:9000:34:9C3D:7E6C:903 (talk) 15:36, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed, this is necessary to comply with MOS:ACCESS. If we say that drivers represnt countries then those countries should be distinguisable for those with colourblindness/screen readers (or do they read flags) etc.
SSSB (talk) 16:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)- MOS:FLAG#Accompany flags with country names appears to be the appropriate guideline, which says that country names should accompany the flag icons ("Use of flag templates without country names is also an accessibility issue"). So I think we ought to change it to use either flag or flagathlete. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- In all honesty, I think the guideline is quite outdated in that respect. Wikipedia has evolved a lot technically since that text was written and we already provide these flags in an interactive version that caters even to blind people. And don't forget that MOS is a merely a guideline and not policy, rule or law we must follow to the letter. We have presented flags through the flagicon template for years and I have literally never seen any reader complain that they cannot understand the meaning of any flag. Moreover, we have many GA's and FA's that do only use the flagicon template. This has been extensively discussed by the F1 Wikiproject and the consensus was in favor of the current usage (see this discussion which was initiated during a FA nomination of an article which was ultimately promoted with the use of the flagicon template). Thus I believe the issue is massively overstated and that the current usage reflects the actual community consensus. It works perfectly and there are no complaints with regards to the flags.Tvx1 00:19, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Tvx1 here. The guideline and its application seem inconsistent with current usage.
5225C (talk • contributions) 00:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC) - I agree with Tvx1 and 5225C. Flagathlete makes the wikicode harder to read/edit and I'm not convinced it provides any benefit. I don't believe that readers are any more likely to know the flag than the 3-letter abbreviation, but with the flag you put cursor over the flag to get the country name (or click for the page) but with "flagathlete" the flag tells you nothing and you still need to put your cursor over the abbreviation to get the full country name which is unintuitive (having the flag not tell you anything is unintuitive I mean). I wonder also how well flagathlete works on mobile? A7V2 (talk) 03:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- MOS:FLAG#Accompany flags with country names appears to be the appropriate guideline, which says that country names should accompany the flag icons ("Use of flag templates without country names is also an accessibility issue"). So I think we ought to change it to use either flag or flagathlete. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Side note: This was briefly referenced here regarding a Featured Article review and accessibility per MOS:ACCESS. Admanny (talk) 07:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)