Talk:Anthony Quinn

Missing from movie titles. 72.47.9.64 (talk · contribs) - 06:37, 3 July 2007

Missing from movie credits - 12.178.74.70 (talk · contribs) - 03:58, 5 July 2007

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All his notable activities were in the US, he's done nothing notable in Mexico and article states he wasn't even accepted in Mexico due to his name. MOS:CONTEXTBIO says "neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability" so Mexico shouldn't be in the intro sentence or lead as not relevant to his notability. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I'd say his Mexican background is quite relevant. See last sentence of second paragraph: he remains a seminal figure of Latin-American representation in the media of the United States. Also, it seems his Mexican nationality has always been mentioned in the lede until quite recently. Unless there is consensus to the contrary, we should re-add it. Vpab15 (talk) 07:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The phrase you quoted is in the lead already and is sufficient lead mention of the impact his ancestry had on his notability. Latin-American is a cultural attribute and that description covers much more than just being from Mexico. MOS:CONTEXTBIO gives the justification for Mexico/Mexican not being in the lead as specifically being from Mexico was not a contribution to his notability. He left Mexico as a child, it has no more relevance for him than any other person with Mexican ancestry. Having it in the lead, and more specifically in the intro sentence, in the past went against the MOS guidance. Generally we need a local consensus decision to deliberately go against the MOS, not one to conform to it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion is whether his Mexican background is relevant per MOS or not. In case of no consensus, we should go back to the status quo and re-add it. Vpab15 (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

It is an accident of birth, no more. Pretty major stretch to say it is relevant to his notability and there is nothing in the article that supports relevance so MOS says leave it out. Latin-American is mentioned in the lead and covers what is important. Article said Mexican-American for most of the article history. For some periods article said Mexican and American, and Mexican born American. Article has said American actor since I changed it in April from Mexican-American. Mexican-American is an ethnicity tag, not an nationality. Mexican born could be justified only if relevant to notability. Mexican and American actor is incorrect as he never was a notable Mexican actor - that construction is only used for people with notable activities in both countries. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The lead now mentions he is Mexican-American. I don't mind changing it to any of the alternative formulas (eg. Mexican born), as long as his Mexican background is mentioned. Vpab15 (talk) 09:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with Mexican-American in the intro sentence as that is purely an ethnicity tag like African-American, Jewish-American and others. I reverted your changes to the status-quo of the article before your changes and expected to follow WP:BRD process. You have not made a case to go against the manual of style by showing in any way why his Mexican ancestry has any bearing on his notability. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:CONTEXTBIO specifically states Per the above guidance, we do not add ethnicity ("Jewish-American") or country of birth ("Russian-born American"). These details can be introduced in the second sentence if they are of defining importance.) Schazjmd (talk) 15:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

That is just an example for Isaac Asimov. It doesn't mean the same applies to every single person. Vpab15 (talk) 15:41, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Asimov was used as the example for the general rule that was being applied. The statement does not apply to only Asimov, but to all people with similar backgrounds such as Quinn. Quinn's physical appearance seems relevant to his notability, though, and that is related to his Mexican/Irish/Cherokee ancestry. Put something in the second sentence as an attempt at compromise. Cherokee is sourced but not mentioned in article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

@Vpab15, each example is chosen to illustrate a specific case; Asimov was used to illustrate someone who emigrated as a child and continued to identify as a citizen of their adopted country. Doesn't that apply to Quinn? Schazjmd (talk) 15:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

someone who emigrated as a child and continued to identify as a citizen of their adopted country, which doesn't necessarily apply to this article. Vpab15 (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand. Are there sources supporting that Quinn did not identify himself as an American? Schazjmd (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there are (): With a name like Quinn, I wasn’t totally accepted by the Mexican community in those days, and as a Mexican I wasn’t accepted as an American. So as a kid I just decided, well, ‘A plague on both your houses. I’ll just become a world citizen.’ So that’s what I did. Acting is my nationality. Vpab15 (talk) 16:40, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't think his feelings about not being accepted in either community negate the MOS guidance for the first sentence. Schazjmd (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed clarification on Quinn vs. Queen in baptismal certificate The baptismal record from the Church of El Sagrario in Chihuahua, cited in the article and visible in the image, lists the father’s name as Frank Queen, not “Quinn.” Given this, it appears the original surname was Queen, and “Quinn” may have evolved or been adopted later. Should we include a note in the “Early life” section to clarify this discrepancy? Happy to help source this more thoroughly. Cargam (talk) 22:51, 2 August 2025 (UTC)