Talk:Burning Man/Archive 4

It seems like this year's event in the desert was noteworthy^[1]. In most aspects it replaced the official ticketed event, and some sources are describing it as a return to the early days of Burning Man.

Any thoughts and where should this be included on the page?

-- Bob drobbs (talk) 20:55, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

I made some significant additions. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 20:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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"community, art, self-expression, and self-reliance" are the stated principles of burning man and doesn't necessarily reflect reality. it looks to me like the page is being edited by certain groups affiliated with burning man. Synopsis19117 (talk) 11:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

There have been a series of malicious edits, from the same IP address, changing from "festival" to toilet on fire", changing things to feces, etc. Whitis (talk) 00:47, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like appropriate changes that reflect the reality. It's a cesspool. 91.148.90.17 (talk) 01:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

One of my concerns here is that several founders of Burning Man find no fame or glory here. For those of us closer to the founders, we know the whole idea was formed and took shape at meetings at 1907 Golden Gate Avenue in San Francisco. The huge rambling 2-story flat in San Francisco was home and guest house to several people who were intimately involved with the creation of Burning Man. In case it isn't obvious, friendships suffered when some people turned out to love the glory more than others.

A chief architect of the Burning Man vision was the great doyenne, Roberta "P" Segal, who in true, gender-driven diminution and historical refab, first envisioned and authored the tenets of Burning Man. Another person who stylized and created the original silk screened swag for the parties of 40 at Baker Beach and elsewhere, Chris de Monterey, is also left out of the evolutionary tale of Burning Man.

The Cacophony Society still meets, at least several people still do, in San Francisco on the first Saturday of each month (It is currently Sept. 2022). More than this, Ms. Segal has gone on to a new vision, post several thousand dollars per ticket, in the quest for creative essence; she has created an artist's housing project in San Francisco so the arts can be reborn and San Francisco can once again be a flourishing artist's center. 157.131.246.221 (talk) 05:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Flooding has closed the entrance this year source. I was curious if it's ever rained on Burning Man before? Apparently there was also a hoax claiming an Ebola outbreak source. Beland (talk) 03:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure about previous rain events but this one I think should probably be included in the history section. - Reallygreatoaktree (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

According to social media, it's not a hoax. The Feds have quarantined the camp due to the outbreak of the highly contagious, flesh-eating disease. They're not letting anyone in and out. Complete media blackout like they've tried to do in Maui. 152.130.11.77 (talk) 17:06, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

you mean Brace Belden? He is trolling. Also, complete media blackout isn't possible considering people bring Starlink and other satellite internet to these places. Synopsis19117 (talk) 03:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Added mention of the hoax to the 2023 article. Still curious if rain has happened before. -- Beland (talk) 16:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

It has rained on multiple occasions for brief periods, causing half-day closures of the event roadways, which are on a dry lake bed.

What was notable about 2023 is that it rained heavily both during the build week and the event week for an extended period, and the volume of rains led the roads to remain sufficiently impassible for vehicular traffic for multiple days including the scheduled burning of the effigy and the intended departure date of a preponderance of the participants.

I will look for wiki-quality source to document this in the article, such as the Bureau of Land Management annual permit after-report. JKPrivett (talk) 09:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Cxbrx, I take your point about blogs being a poor source. I've re-written with books as a source, though honestly they are janky-seeming books that might be nearly self-published. But, they are by commentators (Ben Shapiro, James Goll and Lou Engle) recognized enough to have their own Wikipedia articles. I'm opening this thread to discuss if this is adequate sourcing. Jno.skinner (talk) 23:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Jno.skinner, thanks, those sources are a bit better than the blog an at least the authors have articles. It would be nice to find better sources, but I'm fine with letting the section stand as you have written it. Other editors will likely have opinions and will hopefully improve that section. Cxbrx (talk) 00:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll recommend Lee Gilmore's "Theater in a Crowded Fire: Ritual and Spirituality at Burning Man" by Lee Gilmore on University of California Press (ISBN 978-0-520-26088-7) as a researched source. "Paganism and Neopaganism" is an index entry. In general it frames the event as ritualized more of an inspiration to individual participant's belief systems rather than driven by formal external belief systems. I'll drop in one quote here though...

"This is not to say that sex, drugs and rock-and-roll are not to be found at Burning Man, but that the media's sometimes too singular focus on these aspects is the result of superficial impressions and not substantive examinations" (p. 138). JKPrivett (talk) 09:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)